Evolution is it 100% fact?

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#1 Posted by Ariabed (1103 posts) -

Creationism is it so far fetched?

#2 Posted by lostrib (34996 posts) -

No, evolution is totally just a theory. It's even in the name, "Theory of Evolution"

Herp derp

#3 Posted by Crunchy_Nuts (2749 posts) -

Nothing can be 100%, but we can be pretty damn sure of it.

#4 Posted by Boddicker (2579 posts) -

@lostrib said:

No, evolution is totally just a theory. It's even in the name, "Theory of Evolution"

Herp derp

Beat me to it.

The evidence of evolution is all around us, but it still hasn't answered how life started.

That's the big question. Even the simplest lifeforms are unbelievably complex. If true life can ever be created from nothing it will be a monumental achievement and probably change the "theory of evolution" into the "law of evolution."

#5 Posted by lostrib (34996 posts) -

@lostrib said:

No, evolution is totally just a theory. It's even in the name, "Theory of Evolution"

Herp derp

Beat me to it.

The evidence of evolution is all around us, but it still hasn't answered how life started.

That's the big question. Even the simplest lifeforms are unbelievably complex. If true life can ever be created from nothing it will be a monumental achievement and probably change the "theory of evolution" into the "law of evolution."

That's not how scientific theories work, they don't become laws.

Also, evolution isn't meant to explain how life came to be that would be abiogenesis

#6 Posted by Randolph (10478 posts) -

@lostrib said:

No, evolution is totally just a theory. It's even in the name, "Theory of Evolution"

Herp derp

Beat me to it.

The evidence of evolution is all around us, but it still hasn't answered how life started.

That's the big question. Even the simplest lifeforms are unbelievably complex. If true life can ever be created from nothing it will be a monumental achievement and probably change the "theory of evolution" into the "law of evolution."

Evolution is only meant to explain why their is such a large variety of life, not how life started. That would fall under abiogenesis.

#7 Edited by Riverwolf007 (23586 posts) -

it will never be proven 100% true but it beats "shit is magic" by a pretty wide margin.

#8 Posted by Boddicker (2579 posts) -
@Randolph said:

@Boddicker said:

@lostrib said:

No, evolution is totally just a theory. It's even in the name, "Theory of Evolution"

Herp derp

Beat me to it.

The evidence of evolution is all around us, but it still hasn't answered how life started.

That's the big question. Even the simplest lifeforms are unbelievably complex. If true life can ever be created from nothing it will be a monumental achievement and probably change the "theory of evolution" into the "law of evolution."

Evolution is only meant to explain why their is such a large variety of life, not how life started. That would fall under abiogenesis.

I see. Now I understand.

@lostrib Please excuse my ignorance.

#9 Posted by Master_Live (14244 posts) -

Those that ignore the word of the Lord shall perish in Hell.

#10 Posted by Riverwolf007 (23586 posts) -

@Master_Live: lol, i'm sure you don't want to fuck with the lord but the word of iron age sheep shaggers is fair game.

#11 Edited by ultimate-k (2348 posts) -

No it is one massive hoax, to hide our true origins away from us. Freemasons brainwashing people stupid, people look at the anunnaki story, they dumbed us down so they can easily control us more, and they still fucking here controlling you today.

#12 Posted by Jacanuk (4235 posts) -

@ariabed said:

Creationism is it so far fetched?

Nope, you are absolute right.

Some old man with a white beard put a crank into the universe and gave it a spin.

But its almost like religion doesnt make you stupid, stupid made religion ;)

#13 Edited by lostrib (34996 posts) -

No it is one massive hoax, to hide our true origins away from us. Freemasons brainwashing people stupid, people look at the anunnaki story, they dumbed us down so they can easily control us more, and they still fucking here controlling you today.

You are a dedicated troll

#14 Edited by ultimate-k (2348 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@ultimate-k said:

No it is one massive hoax, to hide our true origins away from us. Freemasons brainwashing people stupid, people look at the anunnaki story, they dumbed us down so they can easily control us more, and they still fucking here controlling you today.

You are a dedicated troll

ZZZZZ, don't you get bored of repeating yourself all the time?

#15 Edited by lostrib (34996 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@ultimate-k said:

No it is one massive hoax, to hide our true origins away from us. Freemasons brainwashing people stupid, people look at the anunnaki story, they dumbed us down so they can easily control us more, and they still fucking here controlling you today.

You are a dedicated troll

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Your keyboard is stuck

#16 Edited by lostrib (34996 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@ariabed said:

Creationism is it so far fetched?

Nope, you are absolute right.

Some old man with a white beard put a crank into the universe and gave it a spin.

But its almost like religion doesnt make you stupid, stupid made religion ;)

You weren't there!

#17 Posted by Master_Live (14244 posts) -

No it is one massive hoax, to hide our true origins away from us. Freemasons brainwashing people stupid, people look at the anunnaki story, they dumbed us down so they can easily control us more, and they still fucking here controlling you today.

Tell them k.

#18 Posted by TheFlush (5518 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@Jacanuk said:

@ariabed said:

Creationism is it so far fetched?

Nope, you are absolute right.

Some old man with a white beard put a crank into the universe and gave it a spin.

But its almost like religion doesnt make you stupid, stupid made religion ;)

You weren't there!

Hey another Ken Ham fan just like me, yay! ;-)

#19 Edited by Gaming-Planet (13998 posts) -

The ingredients or Origins of our Universe was magically crated, but the outcome of it was through evolution. That's how I always saw it. It's hard to wrap your head around how such energy was created, when something that does not exist does not have energy.

How we were formed through evolution is perfection in my eyes. Millions of cells interacting with each other and adapting to its environment. We are somewhat optimized for the future, yet we hold a lot of obsolete information on how to survive.

#20 Posted by pyro1245 (607 posts) -

creationism is hilarious. While we're at it lets go to the museum and see all the humans riding dinosaurs!

#21 Posted by br0kenrabbit (12854 posts) -

It's hard to wrap your head around how such energy was created, when something that does not exist does not have energy.

Ever heard of the 'Zero Energy Universe' theory?

#22 Edited by ferrari2001 (16831 posts) -

In the world of the scientific method, evolution is a theory, which is the closest we can get to fact using the scientific method. The scientific method does not provide us with facts, merely the best possible explanation for a series of phenomena. There is no other better explanation then the theory of evolution so we should consider it the method in which life on the planet changed to become the way it became today.

#23 Posted by Jacanuk (4235 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@Jacanuk said:

@ariabed said:

Creationism is it so far fetched?

Nope, you are absolute right.

Some old man with a white beard put a crank into the universe and gave it a spin.

But its almost like religion doesnt make you stupid, stupid made religion ;)

You weren't there!

How do you know ? where you there to see if i was there? ;)

#24 Posted by Gaming-Planet (13998 posts) -

@Gaming-Planet said:

It's hard to wrap your head around how such energy was created, when something that does not exist does not have energy.

Ever heard of the 'Zero Energy Universe' theory?

Nope. But this has got me even more interested in physics.

#25 Edited by sonicare (53451 posts) -

Extremely likely. Can't say 100% proven, but makes logical sense.

#26 Posted by MonsieurX (29720 posts) -

No it is one massive hoax, to hide our true origins away from us. Freemasons brainwashing people stupid, people look at the anunnaki story, they dumbed us down so they can easily control us more, and they still fucking here controlling you today.

But it was created by God,it's written in a book.

#27 Posted by lamprey263 (23294 posts) -

Evolution is a theory supported by evidence and refined over the many years and will continued to be refined as we'll always strive to have a better understanding.

Seems most opponents to the theory are creationists, and they're just as combative about the idea of cosmic evolution, yet I don't see why they need to be. I mean why isn't it enough if one still believes in God to think God created the natural order that allowed life and man to flourish? Why insist that there was s divine hand at many steps along the way? In some ways it'd be sacrilegious for religious people to ignore God's natural order and succumb to the seduction of anti-intellectualism. Religious people understand the concept of free-will as being one of divine creation, as a part of being made in God's image, and with regard to an eternal life beyond the material one it's pertinent that people exercise that free will for the utmost consideration toward that eternal existence. So, having been bestowed with free will, will God reward those who utilize their free thinking toward a more rewarding existence with understanding of God's world, and the ability for themselves and mankind to prosper along with that knowledge? Or will god reward the sheep who follow the snake oil salesmen that tells you that trying to understand the natural order is a waste of time and all the answers are in the Bible?

#28 Posted by foxhound_fox (87839 posts) -

Evolution is a collection of millions upon millions of observed facts. If it were mathematics, it would be scientific law. It's about as close to "absolute, 100% fact as science gets" without falling into the trappings of asserting something absolutely like religion.

#29 Edited by XilePrincess (13129 posts) -

Considering we can see evolution at work every day, evolution is fact. How we evolved may be a theory, and not exact fact, but we evolved.

You can see evolution in everything. Look at plants, many have adapted and evolved to grow in harsher climates or with less water or sunlight just because their environment was changing around them.

#30 Posted by Big_Pecks (5253 posts) -

Evolution is pretty conclusive. It's not a perfect 100% but it's close. And we haven't even proven everything yet.

#31 Posted by Ariabed (1103 posts) -
#32 Posted by wis3boi (31176 posts) -

@TheFlush said:

@lostrib said:

@Jacanuk said:

@ariabed said:

Creationism is it so far fetched?

Nope, you are absolute right.

Some old man with a white beard put a crank into the universe and gave it a spin.

But its almost like religion doesnt make you stupid, stupid made religion ;)

You weren't there!

Hey another Ken Ham fan just like me, yay! ;-)

But Bill, we have a book!

#33 Edited by jimkabrhel (15417 posts) -

In the world of the scientific method, evolution is a theory, which is the closest we can get to fact using the scientific method. The scientific method does not provide us with facts, merely the best possible explanation for a series of phenomena. There is no other better explanation then the theory of evolution so we should consider it the method in which life on the planet changed to become the way it became today.

This should have ended the thread.

#34 Edited by lostrib (34996 posts) -

@ariabed said:

@Riverwolf007: bro the whole universe is magic open your mind.

that doesn't even make sense

#35 Posted by lostrib (34996 posts) -

@wis3boi said:

@TheFlush said:

@lostrib said:

@Jacanuk said:

@ariabed said:

Creationism is it so far fetched?

Nope, you are absolute right.

Some old man with a white beard put a crank into the universe and gave it a spin.

But its almost like religion doesnt make you stupid, stupid made religion ;)

You weren't there!

Hey another Ken Ham fan just like me, yay! ;-)

But Bill, we have a book!

I actually had to stop watching the debate after about the second time he said that

#36 Edited by wis3boi (31176 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@wis3boi said:

@TheFlush said:

@lostrib said:

@Jacanuk said:

@ariabed said:

Creationism is it so far fetched?

Nope, you are absolute right.

Some old man with a white beard put a crank into the universe and gave it a spin.

But its almost like religion doesnt make you stupid, stupid made religion ;)

You weren't there!

Hey another Ken Ham fan just like me, yay! ;-)

But Bill, we have a book!

I actually had to stop watching the debate after about the second time he said that

I watched the whole thing with a friend. Many beers were had

#37 Edited by Randolph (10478 posts) -

I didn't bother with the so called debate between Nye and Ham. As someone once said, "Debating evolution with a creationist is like playing chess with a monkey. No matter how well you play, eventually the monkey will just knock over all the pieces, poop all over them, and proudly march back to his flock and act like he accomplished something." Their is no "believing" in evolution. Either you understand how it works, or you do not. No in between.

Ken Ham is either a fool, or like Ray Comfort, an absolute genius at manipulating ignorant people.

#38 Posted by Ariabed (1103 posts) -

@lostrib: that just shows how shut down your mind is, if you can't see the magic and mystery of the universe.

#39 Posted by playmynutz (5981 posts) -

Evolution and creationism aren't close to 100% fact.

If evolution was real then white people are a superior race compared to black people. Black people haven't caught up in evolution huh

Total bogus

#40 Edited by Ariabed (1103 posts) -

@ferrari2001: in prof Darwkins own words he says, that the theory of evolution is the easiest to explain, and that creation theory just raises more questions than it answers,eg who created the creators etc, so just bcos something is easier to explain we will just go with that, cos anything else is just to hard to explain. If it's to hard to explain its cos our tiny minds cannot comprehend the creation of life. Also he talks about how living organisms on this earth having the illusion of being designed. Well infact the the earth has this so called illusion, the whole universe has the illusion so can evolution explain the existence of the universe? Now I get the evolution of an animal to adapt to its surroundings but is there any real evidence of a living thing evolving into completely different creature intirely? I mean they say we evolved from monkeys, when infact we share more DNA with mice than we do mokeys.

I'm just questioning evolution theory I'm not dis counting it, but many people hear the theory of evolution and say "oh well that makes sense it must be true" but how we came to be will never make sense to us, it's to much to comprehend. I love science and all that but science doesn't have all the answers.

#41 Posted by lostrib (34996 posts) -

@ariabed said:

@lostrib: that just shows how shut down your mind is, if you can't see the magic and mystery of the universe.

If by magic and mystery you mean there are a lot of amazing things in the universe and much we still don't understand, then yes it is magical. But that is not the same as saying it was created by "magic" or some sort of mystical means

#42 Edited by lostrib (34996 posts) -

@ariabed said:

@ferrari2001: in prof Darwkins own words he says, that the theory of evolution is the easiest to explain, and that creation theory just raises more questions than it answers,eg who created the creators etc, so just bcos something is easier to explain we will just go with that, cos anything else is just to hard to explain. If it's to hard to explain its cos our tiny minds cannot comprehend the creation of life. Also he talks about how living organisms on this earth having the illusion of being designed. Well infact the the earth has this so called illusion, the whole universe has the illusion so can evolution explain the existence of the universe?

Evolution isn't meant to explain the existence of the universe. It isn't even meant to explain the creation of life. It explains speciation and change in inheritable traits over time.

#43 Posted by Jacanuk (4235 posts) -

@ariabed said:

@ferrari2001: in prof Darwkins own words he says, that the theory of evolution is the easiest to explain, and that creation theory just raises more questions than it answers,eg who created the creators etc, so just bcos something is easier to explain we will just go with that, cos anything else is just to hard to explain. If it's to hard to explain its cos our tiny minds cannot comprehend the creation of life. Also he talks about how living organisms on this earth having the illusion of being designed. Well infact the the earth has this so called illusion, the whole universe has the illusion so can evolution explain the existence of the universe? Now I get the evolution of an animal to adapt to its surroundings but is there any real evidence of a living thing evolving into completely different creature intirely? I mean they say we evolved from monkeys, when infact we share more DNA with mice than we do mokeys.

I'm just questioning evolution theory I'm not dis counting it, but many people hear the theory of evolution and say "oh well that makes sense it must be true" but how we came to be will never make sense to us, it's to much to comprehend. I love science and all that but science doesn't have all the answers.

You can question evolution all you want its just a theory and its always healthy to question and not take facts on their face value.

But when you look at the evidence for and against evolution there are clear visible evidence for and not a lot against which is why you now have creationism because hard facts are really hard to disprove.

So can you rule one out, no not really since there is still so much we dont know despite dealing with something as false as religion.

#44 Posted by Jag85 (4402 posts) -

In science, there's no such thing as "100% fact".

#45 Posted by ferrari2001 (16831 posts) -

@ariabed said:

@ferrari2001: in prof Darwkins own words he says, that the theory of evolution is the easiest to explain, and that creation theory just raises more questions than it answers,eg who created the creators etc, so just bcos something is easier to explain we will just go with that, cos anything else is just to hard to explain. If it's to hard to explain its cos our tiny minds cannot comprehend the creation of life. Also he talks about how living organisms on this earth having the illusion of being designed. Well infact the the earth has this so called illusion, the whole universe has the illusion so can evolution explain the existence of the universe? Now I get the evolution of an animal to adapt to its surroundings but is there any real evidence of a living thing evolving into completely different creature intirely? I mean they say we evolved from monkeys, when infact we share more DNA with mice than we do mokeys.

I'm just questioning evolution theory I'm not dis counting it, but many people hear the theory of evolution and say "oh well that makes sense it must be true" but how we came to be will never make sense to us, it's to much to comprehend. I love science and all that but science doesn't have all the answers.

Go study what evolution actually says and the proof behind the adaptation of species over time and then come back. There is overwhelming proof for the validity of the theory of evolution. There are other theories to explain other aspects of creation. Only idiots would use evolution as a complete theory on the history of everything that exists. It's only meant to show one aspect of creation, specifically the adaptation from basic life to more complex organisms, (the creatures we see today). The Big Bang theory shows another aspect, the gravitational formation of galaxies and solar systems shows another. If you fail to see the whole picture then of course evolution appears incomplete, but in junction with other scientific theories it's actually a very valid and incredibly complete theory. Your right science doesn't have all the answers, but it provides a hell of a lot of valid knowledge. Something doesn't become a theory unless it's been comprehensively tested and confirmed. We can trust the conclusions given to us by theories because of the sheer fact that they are so comprehensive. If you want to disagree with a theory, that's great, but you better have a more comprehensive hypothesis to take it's place.

#46 Posted by br0kenrabbit (12854 posts) -

@ariabed said:

I mean they say we evolved from monkeys, when infact we share more DNA with mice than we do mokeys.

No. We share 97.5% with mice, and 98.5% with Monkeys.

Ferrari addressed the rest of you post so I won't bother.

#47 Posted by lostrib (34996 posts) -

@ariabed said:

I mean they say we evolved from monkeys, when infact we share more DNA with mice than we do mokeys.

No. We share 97.5% with mice, and 98.5% with Monkeys.

Ferrari addressed the rest of you post so I won't bother.

And like 50% with a banana!

#48 Posted by br0kenrabbit (12854 posts) -

@lostrib said:

And like 50% with a banana!

Yes, and that makes sense. Despite our physical differences, at a cellular level all living organisms are doing pretty much the same thing: nutrients in, make energy/mass, waste out, divide.

In the grand scheme of things, it's those cellular functions that require to the most code. The macro stuff, like where your eyes go, what color they are, etc., doesn't really need all that much information.

Think of computer code: it's the lower-level functions that make up most of the program...stuff the user never sees. The things like the GUI, what this button or that button does, etc., doesn't take a lot of programming.

#49 Edited by Jag85 (4402 posts) -

@ariabed said:

I mean they say we evolved from monkeys, when infact we share more DNA with mice than we do mokeys.

No. We share 97.5% with mice, and 98.5% with Monkeys.

Ferrari addressed the rest of you post so I won't bother.

Also, our DNA has just as much in common with pigs as we do with monkeys.

#50 Posted by br0kenrabbit (12854 posts) -

@Jag85 said:

Also, our DNA has just as much in common with pigs as we do with monkeys.

We share about 83% of our DNA with pigs.