Draconian Downloading law in Japan goes into effect...Music sales drop.

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#1 Posted by Shinobi120 (5570 posts) -
#2 Posted by GazaAli (22493 posts) -
That sucks, and I wouldn't expect this from Japan. Europe on the other hand, has a different idea on consumer rights.
#3 Posted by Ace6301 (21388 posts) -
Japan has a long history of passing prohibitory laws that lead to unfavorable out comes. I can't exactly look it up right now but a look at their history with pornography censorship has a fair amount to do with why Japanese porn is what it is at this time for example. This is just another thing to add to a long list of failed prohibitory laws.
#4 Posted by Nude_Dude (5371 posts) -
Hmm, that might be an explanation why I couldn't find JP Balflare's new album anywhere on the net. No idea they had this kind of law in effect.
#5 Posted by MrPraline (21284 posts) -
Government and the internet. Has always been a universal fail, will always be a carnival of clusterf*cks
#6 Posted by Shinobi120 (5570 posts) -

Government and the internet. Has always been a universal fail, will always be a carnival of clusterf*cksMrPraline

Sad, but true.

#7 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (3753 posts) -

Glad they tried it first so we know not to.

#8 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -

Glad they tried it first so we know not to.

MakeMeaSammitch
You're assuming that the government learns from mistakes. ......They clearly don't.
#9 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (3753 posts) -

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

Glad they tried it first so we know not to.

l4dak47

You're assuming that the government learns from mistakes. ......They clearly don't.

They usually do.

#10 Posted by Aljosa23 (24633 posts) -

oh noes, they taking our right to illegally download pirated material oh no

#11 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

Glad they tried it first so we know not to.

MakeMeaSammitch

You're assuming that the government learns from mistakes. ......They clearly don't.

They usually do.

Not really. But we're just going to go around in circles.
#12 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (3753 posts) -

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] You're assuming that the government learns from mistakes. ......They clearly don't. l4dak47

They usually do.

Not really. But we're just going to go around in circles.

I like hexagons better.

#13 Posted by JoGoSo (455 posts) -

Draconian is an overused adjective.

Also, there's not any actual evidence of sales going down - just a poll.

From the source of the "fact"

The multiple choice survey asks consumers, How much do you spend on music in an average month? with answers ranging from 0-500 yen to over 10,000 yen. 0 yen has risen significantly since 2004, while numbers of every other response have decreased each time since 2007.

Is this the effect of the new download restrictions? Has Japans new draconian law actually had a negative effect on music sales? Or has the Japanese government simply noticed that music sales continue to fall and mistakenly pinpointed illegal downloads as the cause?

So the decrease is progressive since 2004 which would mean, rather than looking at a month, it'sentirely possible that the decline is sales is a direct result of piracy over the last 8 years.

#14 Posted by Shinobi120 (5570 posts) -

Draconian is an overused adjective.

Also, there's not any actual evidence of sales going down - just a poll.

From the source of the "fact"

The multiple choice survey asks consumers, How much do you spend on music in an average month? with answers ranging from 0-500 yen to over 10,000 yen. 0 yen has risen significantly since 2004, while numbers of every other response have decreased each time since 2007.

Is this the effect of the new download restrictions? Has Japans new draconian law actually had a negative effect on music sales? Or has the Japanese government simply noticed that music sales continue to fall and mistakenly pinpointed illegal downloads as the cause?JoGoSo

So the decrease is progressive since 2004 which would mean, rather than looking at a month, it'sentirely possible that the decline is sales is a direct result of piracy over the last 8 years.

But like one poster said:

That article is based on a flawed premise. The stats are for "an average month," but the new law has only been in effect for just over one month. So it's pointless to gauge the effect of a spanking new measure by citing data that conceivably spans a period before the measure existed.

Also, the writer's argument is that sales are falling, but then fails to cite any sales figures.

Give it about a year, then gauge the effects and dig up some real numbers. Then you'll have a story worth posting.

#15 Posted by Sphensen (728 posts) -

Pirating music is always so bad. It gives you a chance to find the music you love and to find bands you never would of heard of to begin with.

In turn, supporting the bands, by going to their shows, buying their merch, and I always buy the album if I like it.

but that's probably why the music industry doesn't like pirating, because they try to sell garbage and you find out right away that this band/performer sucks once you download the album

#16 Posted by JoGoSo (455 posts) -

[QUOTE="JoGoSo"]

Draconian is an overused adjective.

Also, there's not any actual evidence of sales going down - just a poll.

From the source of the "fact"

The multiple choice survey asks consumers, How much do you spend on music in an average month? with answers ranging from 0-500 yen to over 10,000 yen. 0 yen has risen significantly since 2004, while numbers of every other response have decreased each time since 2007.

Is this the effect of the new download restrictions? Has Japans new draconian law actually had a negative effect on music sales? Or has the Japanese government simply noticed that music sales continue to fall and mistakenly pinpointed illegal downloads as the cause?Shinobi120

So the decrease is progressive since 2004 which would mean, rather than looking at a month, it'sentirely possible that the decline is sales is a direct result of piracy over the last 8 years.

But like one poster said:

That article is based on a flawed premise. The stats are for "an average month," but the new law has only been in effect for just over one month. So it's pointless to gauge the effect of a spanking new measure by citing data that conceivably spans a period before the measure existed.

Also, the writer's argument is that sales are falling, but then fails to cite any sales figures.

Give it about a year, then gauge the effects and dig up some real numbers. Then you'll have a story worth posting.

I'm in agreement with that.
#17 Posted by wis3boi (31036 posts) -

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Government and the internet. Has always been a universal fail, will always be a carnival of clusterf*cksShinobi120

Sad, but true.

I'm glad the US government sold the internet when it was young instead of holding onto it

#18 Posted by svm128 (376 posts) -
Government and the internet. Has always been a universal fail, will always be a carnival of clusterf*cksMrPraline
agree
#19 Posted by Angie7F (1120 posts) -

I am in Japan right now, and let me tell you, this is a crappy crappy law.

It is so obvious these people have no sense of business.

They should have learnt from the time when SONY and other labels were releasing copy proof CDs that trying to stop piracy is not only pointless but harmful to the industry.

I never really download much myself, but the fact that such short sighted, non-business minded people are making laws makes my skin crawl.

#21 Posted by Shinobi120 (5570 posts) -

I am in Japan right now, and let me tell you, this is a crappy crappy law.

It is so obvious these people have no sense of business.

They should have learnt from the time when SONY and other labels were releasing copy proof CDs that trying to stop piracy is not only pointless but harmful to the industry.

I never really download much myself, but the fact that such short sighted, non-business minded people are making laws makes my skin crawl.

Angie7F

Yeah, I feel sorry for you guys. Hopefully, something like Spotify will come to your country soon just like in our country & everywhere else. It's free, & it's legal.

#22 Posted by MrPraline (21284 posts) -

[QUOTE="Angie7F"]

I am in Japan right now, and let me tell you, this is a crappy crappy law.

It is so obvious these people have no sense of business.

They should have learnt from the time when SONY and other labels were releasing copy proof CDs that trying to stop piracy is not only pointless but harmful to the industry.

I never really download much myself, but the fact that such short sighted, non-business minded people are making laws makes my skin crawl.

Shinobi120

Yeah, I feel sorry for you guys. Hopefully, something like Spotify will come to your country soon just like in our country & everywhere else. It's free, & it's legal.

I pay for Spotify premium (mostly for smart phone use) and am very happy. First time I paid for music in a long time.
#23 Posted by tocool340 (20473 posts) -

Japan has a long history of passing prohibitory laws that lead to unfavorable out comes. I can't exactly look it up right now but a look at their history with pornography censorship has a fair amount to do with why Japanese porn is what it is at this time for example. This is just another thing to add to a long list of failed prohibitory laws.Ace6301
The japs make some of the best/creative porn too. It sucks that most of it is always censored...:(

#24 Posted by Shinobi120 (5570 posts) -

[QUOTE="Shinobi120"]

[QUOTE="Angie7F"]

I am in Japan right now, and let me tell you, this is a crappy crappy law.

It is so obvious these people have no sense of business.

They should have learnt from the time when SONY and other labels were releasing copy proof CDs that trying to stop piracy is not only pointless but harmful to the industry.

I never really download much myself, but the fact that such short sighted, non-business minded people are making laws makes my skin crawl.

MrPraline

Yeah, I feel sorry for you guys. Hopefully, something like Spotify will come to your country soon just like in our country & everywhere else. It's free, & it's legal.

I pay for Spotify premium (mostly for smart phone use) and am very happy. First time I paid for music in a long time.

Yep, & it's the best version available for just $10 a month, if you want to avoid ads & have even more benefits than when you have it for free (or even go for the unlimited version which also avoids ads for just $5 a month). :)

#25 Posted by MrPraline (21284 posts) -

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Shinobi120"]

Yeah, I feel sorry for you guys. Hopefully, something like Spotify will come to your country soon just like in our country & everywhere else. It's free, & it's legal.Shinobi120

I pay for Spotify premium (mostly for smart phone use) and am very happy. First time I paid for music in a long time.

Yep, & it's the best version available for just $10 a month, if you want to avoid ads & have even more benefits than when you have it for free (or even go for the unlimited version which also avoids ads for just $5 a month). :)

Yeah, five one sounded good as well. Hated the ads on the free one. I needed premium for the phone app, though. Is brilliant while on the bus or in public. :>
#26 Posted by Diablo-B (4023 posts) -

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Government and the internet. Has always been a universal fail, will always be a carnival of clusterf*cksShinobi120

Sad, but true.

The internet was the creation of the US government
#27 Posted by Diablo-B (4023 posts) -

[QUOTE="Shinobi120"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Government and the internet. Has always been a universal fail, will always be a carnival of clusterf*ckswis3boi

Sad, but true.

I'm glad the US government sold the internet when it was young instead of holding onto it

WHAT? The US didn't sell the internet. You think some private organization "owns" the internet? No. They opened it up to private organizations and business, and they designated various departments and international boards to handle the functions of operating the internet but the US still the leading figure in setting internet standards.
#28 Posted by Shinobi120 (5570 posts) -

[QUOTE="Shinobi120"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Government and the internet. Has always been a universal fail, will always be a carnival of clusterf*cksDiablo-B

Sad, but true.

The internet was the creation of the US government

True, but sooner or later, we'll be having a new internet without the Government being involved.