Draconian Downloading law in Japan goes into effect...Music sales drop.

Draconian Downloading law in Japan goes into effect...Music sales drop.

LOL. Just what were they expecting? You pull garbage like this, & your sales will go down the toilet as people will protest with their wallets.

Hope that Congress, RIAA, MPAA, & Hollywood in the USA are listening.

Government and the internet. Has always been a universal fail, will always be a carnival of clusterf*cksMrPraline

Sad, but true.

Glad they tried it first so we know not to.

Glad they tried it first so we know not to.

MakeMeaSammitch

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Glad they tried it first so we know not to.

l4dak47

oh noes, they taking our right to illegally download pirated material oh no

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Glad they tried it first so we know not to.

MakeMeaSammitch

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[QUOTE="l4dak47"] You're assuming that the government learns from mistakes. ......They clearly don't. l4dak47

Draconian is an overused adjective.

Also, there's not any actual evidence of sales going down - just a poll.

From the source of the "fact"

The multiple choice survey asks consumers, How much do you spend on music in an average month? with answers ranging from 0-500 yen to over 10,000 yen. 0 yen has risen significantly since 2004, while numbers of every other response have decreased each time since 2007.

Is this the effect of the new download restrictions? Has Japans new draconian law actually had a negative effect on music sales? Or has the Japanese government simply noticed that music sales continue to fall and mistakenly pinpointed illegal downloads as the cause?

Draconian is an overused adjective.

Also, there's not any actual evidence of sales going down - just a poll.

From the source of the "fact"

The multiple choice survey asks consumers, How much do you spend on music in an average month? with answers ranging from 0-500 yen to over 10,000 yen. 0 yen has risen significantly since 2004, while numbers of every other response have decreased each time since 2007.

Is this the effect of the new download restrictions? Has Japans new draconian law actually had a negative effect on music sales? Or has the Japanese government simply noticed that music sales continue to fall and mistakenly pinpointed illegal downloads as the cause?JoGoSo

So the decrease is progressive since 2004 which would mean, rather than looking at a month, it'sentirely possible that the decline is sales is a direct result of piracy over the last 8 years.

But like one poster said:

That article is based on a flawed premise. The stats are for "an average month," but the new law has only been in effect for just over one month. So it's pointless to gauge the effect of a spanking new measure by citing data that conceivably spans a period before the measure existed.

Also, the writer's argument is that sales are falling, but then fails to cite any sales figures.

Give it about a year, then gauge the effects and dig up some real numbers. Then you'll have a story worth posting.

Pirating music is always so bad. It gives you a chance to find the music you love and to find bands you never would of heard of to begin with.

In turn, supporting the bands, by going to their shows, buying their merch, and I always buy the album if I like it.

but that's probably why the music industry doesn't like pirating, because they try to sell garbage and you find out right away that this band/performer sucks once you download the album

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Draconian is an overused adjective.

Also, there's not any actual evidence of sales going down - just a poll.

From the source of the "fact"

The multiple choice survey asks consumers, How much do you spend on music in an average month? with answers ranging from 0-500 yen to over 10,000 yen. 0 yen has risen significantly since 2004, while numbers of every other response have decreased each time since 2007.

Is this the effect of the new download restrictions? Has Japans new draconian law actually had a negative effect on music sales? Or has the Japanese government simply noticed that music sales continue to fall and mistakenly pinpointed illegal downloads as the cause?Shinobi120

So the decrease is progressive since 2004 which would mean, rather than looking at a month, it'sentirely possible that the decline is sales is a direct result of piracy over the last 8 years.

But like one poster said:

That article is based on a flawed premise. The stats are for "an average month," but the new law has only been in effect for just over one month. So it's pointless to gauge the effect of a spanking new measure by citing data that conceivably spans a period before the measure existed.

Also, the writer's argument is that sales are falling, but then fails to cite any sales figures.

Give it about a year, then gauge the effects and dig up some real numbers. Then you'll have a story worth posting.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Government and the internet. Has always been a universal fail, will always be a carnival of clusterf*cksShinobi120

Sad, but true.

I'm glad the US government sold the internet when it was young instead of holding onto it

Government and the internet. Has always been a universal fail, will always be a carnival of clusterf*cksMrPraline

I am in Japan right now, and let me tell you, this is a crappy crappy law.

It is so obvious these people have no sense of business.

They should have learnt from the time when SONY and other labels were releasing copy proof CDs that trying to stop piracy is not only pointless but harmful to the industry.

I never really download much myself, but the fact that such short sighted, non-business minded people are making laws makes my skin crawl.

I am in Japan right now, and let me tell you, this is a crappy crappy law.

It is so obvious these people have no sense of business.

They should have learnt from the time when SONY and other labels were releasing copy proof CDs that trying to stop piracy is not only pointless but harmful to the industry.

I never really download much myself, but the fact that such short sighted, non-business minded people are making laws makes my skin crawl.

Angie7F

Yeah, I feel sorry for you guys. Hopefully, something like Spotify will come to your country soon just like in our country & everywhere else. It's free, & it's legal.

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I am in Japan right now, and let me tell you, this is a crappy crappy law.

It is so obvious these people have no sense of business.

They should have learnt from the time when SONY and other labels were releasing copy proof CDs that trying to stop piracy is not only pointless but harmful to the industry.

I never really download much myself, but the fact that such short sighted, non-business minded people are making laws makes my skin crawl.

Shinobi120

Yeah, I feel sorry for you guys. Hopefully, something like Spotify will come to your country soon just like in our country & everywhere else. It's free, & it's legal.

Japan has a long history of passing prohibitory laws that lead to unfavorable out comes. I can't exactly look it up right now but a look at their history with pornography censorship has a fair amount to do with why Japanese porn is what it is at this time for example. This is just another thing to add to a long list of failed prohibitory laws.Ace6301

[QUOTE="Shinobi120"]

[QUOTE="Angie7F"]

I am in Japan right now, and let me tell you, this is a crappy crappy law.

It is so obvious these people have no sense of business.

They should have learnt from the time when SONY and other labels were releasing copy proof CDs that trying to stop piracy is not only pointless but harmful to the industry.

I never really download much myself, but the fact that such short sighted, non-business minded people are making laws makes my skin crawl.

MrPraline

Yeah, I feel sorry for you guys. Hopefully, something like Spotify will come to your country soon just like in our country & everywhere else. It's free, & it's legal.

I pay for Spotify premium (mostly for smart phone use) and am very happy. First time I paid for music in a long time.

Yep, & it's the best version available for just $10 a month, if you want to avoid ads & have even more benefits than when you have it for free (or even go for the unlimited version which also avoids ads for just $5 a month). :)

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Shinobi120"]

Yeah, I feel sorry for you guys. Hopefully, something like Spotify will come to your country soon just like in our country & everywhere else. It's free, & it's legal.Shinobi120

I pay for Spotify premium (mostly for smart phone use) and am very happy. First time I paid for music in a long time.

Yep, & it's the best version available for just $10 a month, if you want to avoid ads & have even more benefits than when you have it for free (or even go for the unlimited version which also avoids ads for just $5 a month). :)

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Government and the internet. Has always been a universal fail, will always be a carnival of clusterf*cksShinobi120

Sad, but true.

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Government and the internet. Has always been a universal fail, will always be a carnival of clusterf*ckswis3boi

Sad, but true.

I'm glad the US government sold the internet when it was young instead of holding onto it

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Government and the internet. Has always been a universal fail, will always be a carnival of clusterf*cksDiablo-B

Sad, but true.

The internet was the creation of the US government

True, but sooner or later, we'll be having a new internet without the Government being involved.