does god being male make women second class?

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#1 4myAmuzumament
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It seems that in order for one to follow a religion, the god at the helm has to have a sex, which is usually male. Does this make women inherently second class? Is it odd that females tend to be more religious than males considering that the god they believe in chose NOT to be female or even represent himself as sexless.

Did god make a suggestion about male superiority by being male himself?

It seems like the only logical conclusion, what do you people think?

most importantly:

- does following a male god make males superior?

- is it odd that people accept a male god as their creator as opposed to a female god?

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#2 themajormayor
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For one thing, males are superior CEOs.

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#3 elkoldo
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I ain't so sure god is male, cause I haven't seen his dick just yet.

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#4 always_explicit
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I think its odd that people accept god as their creator regardless of said gods gender...

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#5 comp_atkins
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the concept of gender makes no sense to a god. it's like having a pet turtle and someone asking you what color are it's wings.

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#6 MrGeezer
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It's clearly the other way around. God was modeled after people. And since civilization has historically mostly been run by men, the men writing the holy texts have modeled god after themselves. It says nothing about any actual gods that may exist, if anything it's just evidence of the misogyny that often runs so rampant.

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#7 Diablo-B
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Anyone who follows religion diligently is a second class citizen.

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#8  Edited By Kevlar101
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I'm pretty sure that Gods' gender is never specified. I could be wrong though.

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It takes a lot of balls to make the human race.

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#10 TheFlush
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@MrGeezer said:

It's clearly the other way around. God was modeled after people. And since civilization has historically mostly been run by men, the men writing the holy texts have modeled god after themselves. It says nothing about any actual gods that may exist, if anything it's just evidence of the misogyny that often runs so rampant.

Exactly this.

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#11  Edited By Nibroc420
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Step One: Prove God exists.

Step Two: Prove God is Male.

Step Three:????

Step Four: Profit

Are you skipping steps again TC?

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#13 turtlethetaffer
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I look at God (the Judeo Christian idea of God) to be more just gender neutral and the term Him being used more as a way of not having to say God all the time. More figurative than literal. If God made humans in His image, that would mean females are included, so God would be part female.

Long story short, no, females are not inferior or whatever.

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#14 alim298
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@comp_atkins said:

the concept of gender makes no sense to a god. it's like having a pet turtle and someone asking you what color are it's wings.

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@turtlethetaffer said:

I look at God (the Judeo Christian idea of God) to be more just gender neutral and the term Him being used more as a way of not having to say God all the time. More figurative than literal. If God made humans in His image, that would mean females are included, so God would be part female.

Long story short, no, females are not inferior or whatever.

With all due respect, I think Mr. Geezers explanation makes more sense. Holy texts are definitely a reflection of the society that created them.

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#16 turtlethetaffer
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@GreySeal9 said:

@turtlethetaffer said:

I look at God (the Judeo Christian idea of God) to be more just gender neutral and the term Him being used more as a way of not having to say God all the time. More figurative than literal. If God made humans in His image, that would mean females are included, so God would be part female.

Long story short, no, females are not inferior or whatever.

With all due respect, I think Mr. Geezers explanation makes more sense. Holy texts are definitely a reflection of the society that created them.

I meant to toss that part in, too. That another reason it says He is due to the time period.

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#17  Edited By 4myAmuzumament
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l@Kevlar101 said:

I'm pretty sure that Gods' gender is never specified. I could be wrong though.

Maybe so, but words like Father, His, and King suggest He, God, is male.

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now the real question what is "gods" race? Black? Asian? arab?

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@4myAmuzumament said:
l@Kevlar101 said:

I'm pretty sure that Gods' gender is never specified. I could be wrong though.

Maybe so, but words like Father, His, and King suggest He, God, is male.

that's because there is no gender-neutral alternative to those words, and gender-neutral entities have traditionally been described as male in lieu of gender-neutral descriptors.

or it could be because his son, who is also somehow god himself (?) is male. or because if Mary is Jesus' mother, then God must be the father, naturally leading people to believe that he's male.

but how can a non-physical being have a wiener?

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#20 -Rhett81-
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"God" is only presented as male, simply because our human culture is a male-dominated society.

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#21  Edited By foxhound_fox
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Assuming a case where a "God" exists and it is "male", then it would presume that it doesn't stem from it being male, but from the proclamations made in it's holy books that say men should subjugate women as mere property to trade amongst themselves and not people as we here in the 21st century are used to appreciating.

The concept of a "male" monotheistic deity isn't common, as most are usually binary male/female or genderless. However, to me, "God" is merely a anthropomorphism of humanity, and each individual's perceptions of particular aspects about us (emotional or physical) that that person deems "moral" or something they should base their life around. My "God" is living my own life, and enjoying all it's pleasures, to it's fullest with respect to other people living their own lives. I am my own "God" and my making myself happy is my way of "worshiping God".

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#22 supa_badman
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i was under the impression, like angels, god was genderless

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#23 michael_1234576
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God is in the radio

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#24  Edited By Kevlar101
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@Sword-Demon said:

@4myAmuzumament said:
l@Kevlar101 said:

I'm pretty sure that Gods' gender is never specified. I could be wrong though.

Maybe so, but words like Father, His, and King suggest He, God, is male.

that's because there is no gender-neutral alternative to those words, and gender-neutral entities have traditionally been described as male in lieu of gender-neutral descriptors.

or it could be because his son, who is also somehow god himself (?) is male. or because if Mary is Jesus' mother, then God must be the father, naturally leading people to believe that he's male.

but how can a non-physical being have a wiener?

Actually, some languages do have gender-neutral terms for gender itself. The English language does not, it simply has his and her, nothing to differentiate something that is neither male nor female.

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#25  Edited By thehig1
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Because Religion was invented while our species was still primitive and Women were not viewed as eqauls

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#26  Edited By platinumking320
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@4myAmuzumament: y'ever consider women are more religious because of all the stress they're put through?
also some pastors really know how to get them fired up, waiting on signs and blessings.

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#27 Master_Live
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Well, God doesn't exist, so there is that.

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#28  Edited By lamprey263
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god does not have a sex since he doesn't reproduce

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#29  Edited By PsychoLemons
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Don't think so but the teachings of the religion however.....

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#30 Gaming-Planet
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God could be anything depending on how a human beings want to perceive God.

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#31  Edited By hippiesanta
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why should an atheist bother to discuss this topic?

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#32 GazaAli
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Its faulty to attribute at least some of the human's characteristics to God and the concept of gender is one of them.

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#33  Edited By deactivated-5b797108c254e
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@lamprey263 said:

god does not have a sex since he doesn't reproduce

You got here before me =) Why would God need a gender? What would he/she need it for?

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#34 MakeMeaSammitch
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absolutely

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@MakeMeaSammitch said:

absolutely

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#36 plageus900
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Since when do we need a god to know that women are second class?

Oh shi-

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#37  Edited By Barbariser
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No, religion is a social construct and reflects sexism that already exists in society. They might have used it to justify and reinforce misogyny later down the line but religion can't really be blamed for "starting" sexism.

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#38 4myAmuzumament
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With women making strides in their push for equality, I feel the issue should be brought up. Questioning or clearing up the identity of god is progress.

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#39 BeardMaster
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women pursue powerful males, god is the original alpha. Probably a black belt in BJJ, but has a strong background in boxing.

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#40 GrayF0X786
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a basic reason as to why the name Allah is superior to "god"

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@MrGeezer said:

It's clearly the other way around. God was modeled after people. And since civilization has historically mostly been run by men, the men writing the holy texts have modeled god after themselves. It says nothing about any actual gods that may exist, if anything it's just evidence of the misogyny that often runs so rampant.

Pretty much this.

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#42  Edited By chaoscougar1
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@4myAmuzumament said:

It seems like the only logical conclusion, what do you people think?

lol

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@comp_atkins said:

the concept of gender makes no sense to a god. it's like having a pet turtle and someone asking you what color are it's wings.

Well said....

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#44  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@GrayF0X786 said:

a basic reason as to why the name Allah is superior to "god"

It means One God.....it's the same thing....different language. smh

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#45 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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@GrayF0X786 said:

a basic reason as to why the name Allah is superior to "god"

Are you trolling or do you know nothing about your own religion?

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#46  Edited By alim298
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@LJS9502_basic said:

@GrayF0X786 said:

a basic reason as to why the name Allah is superior to "god"

It means One God.....it's the same thing....different language. smh

The world Allah is a feminine word. It consists of two parts "Al" and "Ilah" "Ilah" being the feminine part and "Al" meaning "The". It doesn't mean one God it means THE God. The one and only God to be more specific.

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#47 alim298
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@toast_burner said:

@GrayF0X786 said:

a basic reason as to why the name Allah is superior to "god"

Are you trolling or do you know nothing about your own religion?

LMAO is there anything you don't know better than anyone else?

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#48 helwa1988
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Who said God has a gender?

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#49 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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@alim298 said:

@toast_burner said:

@GrayF0X786 said:

a basic reason as to why the name Allah is superior to "god"

Are you trolling or do you know nothing about your own religion?

LMAO is there anything you don't know better than anyone else?

Quite a lot of things. People not knowing much about there own religion isn't uncommon. there are many Muslims who haven't read even a single page of the Quran.

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#50 Raijinn_Aveux
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Men wrote the holy texts (not just the Bible).

You tell me why God is referred to as "Him" and "He."

Because Jewish men from a million years ago were so feminist.