Doctor Who series 8 discussion *SPOILERS*

#1 Edited by harry_james_pot (10784 posts) -

The new Doctor is finally here!

I loved the episode. It's always hard to get used to things after a regeneration, but Capaldi fits right away in the role. The villain wasn't really great or anything, but I think the episode did a fantastic job with setting up the new Doctor. There was also a pretty good amount of humor in there, even Strax was funny. :D And the phone call scene was just perfect IMO.

As for the new intro.. The new theme was great, I really liked it. But the intro itself had too many things going on.

So, what did you guys think?

#2 Posted by SaintLeonidas (26169 posts) -

Wondering what all the obnoxious anti-Moffat people thought.

I really liked it. Capaldi is going to be amazing. Feels much more Baker-esque, which is awesome, and very much needed after Smith and Tennant. He is definitely darker, but still funny, just in a clever way. Only issue I had was some of the slap-stick stuff (i.e. newspaper to the face) - one of the reasons I think Vastra, Jenny and Strax need their own show. Love, love, love their characters, but they're really goofy at times and I don't think they'll fit too well with Capaldi's Doctor.

Very interested in where the series goes from here. Especially interested in who the hell that Missy woman was at the very end.

#3 Posted by uninspiredcup (8317 posts) -

The thing that kinda annoyed me about Tennant or Matt Smith was they seemed so overconfident and smug that they never really felt in danger.

Was quite surprised by how graphic it was for a children's show. He outright says he might have to kill him. The key word being "kill" as opposed to a softened word like "destroy" or "stop". Likewise it doesn't seem to tell you if robot man jumped or was pushed.

Capaldi was good. I think he will probably be better than the last two. Also I liked he didn't hide his Scottish accent like Tennant.

#4 Posted by harry_james_pot (10784 posts) -

Wondering what all the obnoxious anti-Moffat people thought.

I'm already starting to see some stupid complaints on twitter, but people seem to generally like it.

#5 Edited by harry_james_pot (10784 posts) -

Are there no more DW fans left in OT? :/

#6 Posted by Gamerno6666 (1052 posts) -

Here... Didn't like the episode. :( except for the last part. The new opening is awesome though.

#7 Edited by ferrari2001 (16875 posts) -

It was fantastic I thought. The new Doctor reminds me a lot of the old doctors, particularly the 4th doctor. I'm excited to see a doctor that's a little more mature and a little less human then the previous 2. So far it's off to a great start. Can't wait for the rest of the season. Although sad to see that Jenna might be leaving the show at the end of the seasons. She's only been on the show for a handful of episodes. I guess it's hard to replace beloved companions such as Amy and Rory, happened after Billie Piper left the show as well.

#8 Posted by SaintLeonidas (26169 posts) -

It was fantastic I thought. The new Doctor reminds me a lot of the old doctors, particularly the 4th doctor. I'm excited to see a doctor that's a little more mature and a little less human then the previous 2. So far it's off to a great start. Can't wait for the rest of the season. Although sad to see that Jenna might be leaving the show at the end of the seasons. She's only been on the show for a handful of episodes. I guess it's hard to replace beloved companions such as Amy and Rory, happened after Billie Piper left the show as well.

My biggest issue with Clara, although I like the character and the actress, is that she is too independent. That seems like a weird complaint but like with Amy and Rose, I prefer a companion who is sort of "lost" and searching for something more. Clara seems up for weekend adventures and then goes off back to her own life once Monday comes around, so to speak. Clara should have left once her "Impossible Girl" arc ended. I feel like the only reason she is still around is because Capaldi's Doctor is so out of touch/disoriented they needed him to start his run with a companion who already knew the Doctor, and could help him find his footing.

How I wish Capaldi could do a few episodes with Donna in future episodes...she clashed enough with Tennant, lord knows how she'd handle Capaldi.

#9 Edited by PannicAtack (21021 posts) -

First half bored me. Not interested in Madame Vashta and the others. Second half was more interesting.

Since we're apparently talking about companions, Donna's still my favorite of the new series stuffs. She was funny. Had a personality. Called the Doctor out on shit.

#10 Posted by farrell2k (5858 posts) -

The episode was a little boring, but the next two were great. I liked the nod to one of Tenant's best episodes, the girl in the fireplace. I am wondering what's going on with the woman at the end. When I first saw her I though the Ranni...

#11 Posted by Korvus (3540 posts) -

I quite liked it, I always suffer from the "This guy won't be as good as the last Doctor" syndrome, but so far I warmed up to all of them within the first episode and this was no exception.

#12 Posted by uninspiredcup (8317 posts) -

Are there no more DW fans left in OT? :/

Make the doctor American and have him always walk around with stars and stripes flag wrapped around him. Do wonders.

#13 Posted by comp_atkins (31340 posts) -

it'll take some getting used to like other regenerations. the dinosaur was terribly out of proportion assuming it actually came from earth... it coughed up the tardis like it was a jolly rancher.

not a fan of the new intro either, the music doesn't seem right anymore.

#14 Edited by harry_james_pot (10784 posts) -

@ferrari2001 said:

It was fantastic I thought. The new Doctor reminds me a lot of the old doctors, particularly the 4th doctor. I'm excited to see a doctor that's a little more mature and a little less human then the previous 2. So far it's off to a great start. Can't wait for the rest of the season. Although sad to see that Jenna might be leaving the show at the end of the seasons. She's only been on the show for a handful of episodes. I guess it's hard to replace beloved companions such as Amy and Rory, happened after Billie Piper left the show as well.

My biggest issue with Clara, although I like the character and the actress, is that she is too independent. That seems like a weird complaint but like with Amy and Rose, I prefer a companion who is sort of "lost" and searching for something more. Clara seems up for weekend adventures and then goes off back to her own life once Monday comes around, so to speak. Clara should have left once her "Impossible Girl" arc ended. I feel like the only reason she is still around is because Capaldi's Doctor is so out of touch/disoriented they needed him to start his run with a companion who already knew the Doctor, and could help him find his footing.

How I wish Capaldi could do a few episodes with Donna in future episodes...she clashed enough with Tennant, lord knows how she'd handle Capaldi.

I completely agree about her being too independent, but there was also her not being Amy. Eleven and Amy were so great together, that having him with anyone that's not Amy was just.. wrong.

#15 Posted by SaintLeonidas (26169 posts) -

I completely agree about her being too independent, but there was also her not being Amy. Eleven and Amy were so great together, that having him with anyone that's not Amy was just.. wrong.

This is why I loved that Amy made an appearance right before his regeneration.

#16 Edited by PcGamingRig (7083 posts) -

The dinosaur wasn't needed IMO, should of started from when they were in the restaurant. Could take that more seriously, I prefer it when it is serious. That is why I also do not like the sontaran and the two lesbians, can't take them seriously at all. I think the lizard woman on her own would suit me because that is a character that i think could work, she has her good moments.

Capaldi was great, the intro music was not. Clockwork people and the general feel of it after half way through was good though. For a first episode it was great.

I think it would probably work with just Clara and Doctor like previous series. allows for better story building between the two and less distractions, those were the best parts of the first episode IMO or the doctor on his own.

#17 Posted by osan0 (12693 posts) -

i liked the t-rex....good way to kick off the series. not many characters get to make their enterance by having their ship get hocked up by a super sized t-rex :P.

hard to say how capaldi will fare after just one episode. matt smiths first episode was also a bit hard to call on the new doctory front. it can take time for an actor to grow into the role (as smith did..he was excellent by the end). hes a good actor though (a legend in the thick of it) so im sure he will grow into it.

dont like the new intro music though. nice visuals but it sounds like a cat in a lot of distress.

overall a good start to the season imho.

#18 Posted by PannicAtack (21021 posts) -

@harry_james_pot said:

I completely agree about her being too independent, but there was also her not being Amy. Eleven and Amy were so great together, that having him with anyone that's not Amy was just.. wrong.

This is why I loved that Amy made an appearance right before his regeneration.

It was a better send-off for the character than "thbbbbt! Now they're dead!"

#19 Posted by harry_james_pot (10784 posts) -

@harry_james_pot said:

I completely agree about her being too independent, but there was also her not being Amy. Eleven and Amy were so great together, that having him with anyone that's not Amy was just.. wrong.

This is why I loved that Amy made an appearance right before his regeneration.

I was so happy they did that!

#20 Posted by harry_james_pot (10784 posts) -

Any theories about who the woman at the end is? I heard some people saying it could be the master, which is really interesting..

#21 Edited by uninspiredcup (8317 posts) -

Be a bit weird having the master proclaiming he's his girlfriend and that he loves him. Don't think that's the case.

The lady playing her though is pretty much always cast as off the wall unhinged characters. Shes fairly good at it.

#22 Posted by ferrari2001 (16875 posts) -

Any theories about who the woman at the end is? I heard some people saying it could be the master, which is really interesting..

I'm gonna say it's probably a new character we haven't seen yet. Who through use of time travel somehow becomes associated with the doctor and becomes the main overarching series antagonist.

#23 Posted by SaintLeonidas (26169 posts) -

I have heard it is the Rani, who was a Time Lord cast out of Gallifrey because of crazy research she did. Could be that the place in the end was her TARDIS, and she is using foes of the Doctor for some crazy experiment. One clue it could be her - one plot device in her appearances in the earlier series was Tyrannosaurus embryos.

Some think it is another version of River, which wouldn't make sense. We basically saw her from birth to death.

One logical theory is that it may be another echo of Clara from the Doctor's time stream. She is older, and possibly went a bit mad. A lot of 'Deep Breath' focuses on people thinking Clara views the Doctor as her boyfriend, which she refutes. Maybe this version of her actually does.

My own crazy theory, that I wish - but doubt - were true is that it is another female incarnation of the TARDIS, like in the episode 'The Doctor's Wife'. She was a bit quirky; maybe what we saw was some internal storage system in the TARDIS.

#24 Posted by harry_james_pot (10784 posts) -

I have heard it is the Rani, who was a Time Lord cast out of Gallifrey because of crazy research she did. Could be that the place in the end was her TARDIS, and she is using foes of the Doctor for some crazy experiment. One clue it could be her - one plot device in her appearances in the earlier series was Tyrannosaurus embryos.

Some think it is another version of River, which wouldn't make sense. We basically saw her from birth to death.

One logical theory is that it may be another echo of Clara from the Doctor's time stream. She is older, and possibly went a bit mad. A lot of 'Deep Breath' focuses on people thinking Clara views the Doctor as her boyfriend, which she refutes. Maybe this version of her actually does.

My own crazy theory, that I wish - but doubt - were true is that it is another female incarnation of the TARDIS, like in the episode 'The Doctor's Wife'. She was a bit quirky; maybe what we saw was some internal storage system in the TARDIS.

Oooh, those are great! I really like the Clara theory. :D

I'm gonna say it's probably a new character we haven't seen yet. Who through use of time travel somehow becomes associated with the doctor and becomes the main overarching series antagonist.

Yeah but.. that would be boring. :P

#25 Edited by SaintLeonidas (26169 posts) -

Should just make this the official 'Doctor Who' Series 8 discussion post.

'Into the Dalek' was pretty damn amazing if you ask me. The tone was EXACTLY what I wanted and hoped 'Doctor Who' would be with Capaldi as the Doctor. Mature, dark, surreal - still fun and adventurous, but no more quirk or whimsy. I love, love, love the way the last two episodes have explored the true nature of the new Doctor. 'Deep Breathe' had the moment at the end in which it seems like this Doctor finally "admitted" to the fact that he is willing to flat out kill if necessary; and this episode went deeper into the fact that this Doctor is much darker than the three that came before him - that as much as he may love and praise the universe and its inhabitants, there is darkness in him - something that Eleven seemed to try to be running from. Really sheds light on a theme that has been under the surface, but not explored too thoroughly in the series, that the Doctor is (hypocritically) exactly the sort of person he so often hates.

Also, the Doctor kicking open the TARDIS door is one of my favorite moments of his in recent memory.

#26 Edited by harry_james_pot (10784 posts) -

Should just make this the official 'Doctor Who' Series 8 discussion post.

'Into the Dalek' was pretty damn amazing if you ask me. The tone was EXACTLY what I wanted and hoped 'Doctor Who' would be with Capaldi as the Doctor. Mature, dark, surreal - still fun and adventurous, but no more quirk or whimsy. I love, love, love the way the last two episodes have explored the true nature of the new Doctor. 'Deep Breathe' had the moment at the end in which it seems like this Doctor finally "admitted" to the fact that he is willing to flat out kill if necessary; and this episode went deeper into the fact that this Doctor is much darker than the three that came before him - that as much as he may love and praise the universe and its inhabitants, there is darkness in him - something that Eleven seemed to try to be running from. Really sheds light on a theme that has been under the surface, but not explored too thoroughly in the series, that the Doctor is (hypocritically) exactly the sort of person he so often hates.

Also, the Doctor kicking open the TARDIS door is one of my favorite moments of his in recent memory.

I didn't really like the plot. I mean, the Dalek was being nice because it was broken, what did they expect fixing him to do exactly? >_>
However, I agree with all the points you said, so the plot didn't really matter. :P I love all the new themes they're exploring, if they keep it up this season is gonna be incredible. Also that Pink guy is awesome, I can't wait until he meets the Doctor. :D

#27 Posted by SaintLeonidas (26169 posts) -

I didn't mind the actual plot. The way I viewed it was the Doctor was sort of hoping that this Dalek was actually good, and that after the crack was sealed he hoped the damage was already done and that 'Rusty' wouldn't change back. He of course was wrong, mostly. I did like how it managed to actually tell a unique Dalek story. They have sort of lost a lot of their original mystique - I know Moffat even avoided them in series 6. Used to be that only a few of them was a worthy/scary foe; but it got to the point in which the Doctor had no problem taking down freaking armies of them. It was nice to have them actually feel like a threat.

Very excited to see how Mr. Pink's story plays out. His introduction was great. You initially think he is going to be some tough soldier, but he ends up being totally awkward. Will be interesting to see what the Doctor thinks of him, especially after his remark to the female solider that wanted to go with him. Also glad that he definitely has some sort of back story (when he teared up about being asked if he killed anyone who wasn't an enemy soldier) that they can explore to flesh him out.

Interesting to see 'Missy' show up again. She clearly isn't just interacting with villains of the Doctor.

#28 Posted by harry_james_pot (10784 posts) -

Very excited to see how Mr. Pink's story plays out. His introduction was great. You initially think he is going to be some tough soldier, but he ends up being totally awkward. Will be interesting to see what the Doctor thinks of him, especially after his remark to the female solider that wanted to go with him. Also glad that he definitely has some sort of back story (when he teared up about being asked if he killed anyone who wasn't an enemy soldier) that they can explore to flesh him out.

Oh yeah. He didn't get a lot of screen time, yet they managed to tell us so much about him. I already like him.

Interesting to see 'Missy' show up again. She clearly isn't just interacting with villains of the Doctor.

Yeah so she's not collecting villains to release them all at once or whatever.

#29 Posted by SaintLeonidas (26169 posts) -

Last night's episode "Listen" might just be one of the best Doctor Who episodes in a very long time. Created such a chilling atmosphere; and ended on a wonderfully emotional note that managed to explore the Doctor's past and motivations in a way no other episode in recent seasons has been able to do.

#30 Edited by harry_james_pot (10784 posts) -

Last night's episode "Listen" might just be one of the best Doctor Who episodes in a very long time. Created such a chilling atmosphere; and ended on a wonderfully emotional note that managed to explore the Doctor's past and motivations in a way no other episode in recent seasons has been able to do.

Yes, it was a fantastic episode! I loved how we never found out what the thing on the bed was.. Because not knowing made it really creepy, and most importantly, it was not the point the episode was trying to make.
And then there's also how Clara describes the plastic soldier to Dan as "A soldier so brave he doesn't need a gun, he can keep the whole world safe", and then gives it to the young Doctor. Great stuff there. :D