Do you wish you were Japanese?

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#101 Posted by Ace6301 (21388 posts) -

[QUOTE="zenogandia"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] I wonder how long we'll be looking back on actions during WW2 as reasons to hold against how things are now. I mean the US basically lead a genocide against Natives and I don't see people holding that against them. Past is past, sucks that it happened but you can't hold it against people forever.slimjimbadboy

Americans shouldn't be proud of being American because their past is stained with slavery. We can't ignore slavery.

But should we ignore that Japan had slavery as well?

Should we hold it against modern people what their ancestors did at all? That's the point.
#102 Posted by slimjimbadboy (1729 posts) -

[QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

[QUOTE="zenogandia"]Americans shouldn't be proud of being American because their past is stained with slavery. We can't ignore slavery.

Ace6301

But should we ignore that Japan had slavery as well?

Should we hold it against modern people what their ancestors did at all? That's the point.

Or even people whos ancestors had nothing to do with any of it.

#103 Posted by ROFLCOPTER603 (2140 posts) -

[QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

[QUOTE="zenogandia"]Americans shouldn't be proud of being American because their past is stained with slavery. We can't ignore slavery.

Ace6301

But should we ignore that Japan had slavery as well?

Should we hold it against modern people what their ancestors did at all? That's the point.

I think we should. By forgetting about it you're no better than your ancestors. Slavery still exists and war crimes still happen. If we don't look at the past, and recognize our (or our ancestors) mistakes history is just going to repeat itself. I don't agree with Japan's refusal to acknowledge their crimes. They try hard to cover up the fact that they killed more people than Germany. I also think that Americans shouldn't cover up its association with slavery and its treatment of the native population. While it's too late to bring back the millions of people we've killed, at least the US acknowledges what happened. The civil rights movement and the struggle of minorities was taught about thoroughly, at least at my school. Meanwhile Japan omits the rape of Nanjing, and other war crimes, from their textbooks.

#104 Posted by Ace6301 (21388 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

But should we ignore that Japan had slavery as well?

ROFLCOPTER603

Should we hold it against modern people what their ancestors did at all? That's the point.

I think we should. By forgetting about it you're no better than your ancestors. Slavery still exists and war crimes still happen. If we don't look at the past, and recognize our (or our ancestors) mistakes history is just going to repeat itself. I don't agree with Japan's refusal to acknowledge their crimes. They try hard to cover up the fact that they killed more people than Germany. I also think that Americans shouldn't cover up its association with slavery and its treatment of the native population. While it's too late to bring back the millions of people we've killed, at least the US acknowledges what happened. The civil rights movement and the struggle of minorities was taught about thoroughly, at least at my school. Meanwhile Japan omits the rape of Nanjing, and other war crimes, from their textbooks.

There is a notable difference between admitting the past and holding it against people. I don't agree with how Japan handles WW2 education and acknowledgement but I don't hold what happened in WW2 against those not involved. I don't look at the US and go "Oh you c*nts invaded my country 200 years ago". I know they did but I don't hold it against the US as it is now.
#105 Posted by slimjimbadboy (1729 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

But should we ignore that Japan had slavery as well?

ROFLCOPTER603

Should we hold it against modern people what their ancestors did at all? That's the point.

I think we should. By forgetting about it you're no better than your ancestors. Slavery still exists and war crimes still happen. If we don't look at the past, and recognize our (or our ancestors) mistakes history is just going to repeat itself. I don't agree with Japan's refusal to acknowledge their crimes. They try hard to cover up the fact that they killed more people than Germany. I also think that Americans shouldn't cover up its association with slavery and its treatment of the native population. While it's too late to bring back the millions of people we've killed, at least the US acknowledges what happened. The civil rights movement and the struggle of minorities was taught about thoroughly, at least at my school. Meanwhile Japan omits the rape of Nanjing, and other war crimes, from their textbooks.

I agree with your education and understanding comments. But, you never explained what you want from the modern day american.

#106 Posted by megagene (22981 posts) -
Nah, I'm fine with being Korean-Canadian.
#107 Posted by osirisx3 (1738 posts) -

you dont have to be japnese to tap asian girls nor do you have to be japanese to enjoy anime and so on. I was a huge weeaboo when i was 15 but i relized that i was wrong and Japan is no Utopia.

#108 Posted by ROFLCOPTER603 (2140 posts) -

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Should we hold it against modern people what their ancestors did at all? That's the point.Ace6301

I think we should. By forgetting about it you're no better than your ancestors. Slavery still exists and war crimes still happen. If we don't look at the past, and recognize our (or our ancestors) mistakes history is just going to repeat itself. I don't agree with Japan's refusal to acknowledge their crimes. They try hard to cover up the fact that they killed more people than Germany. I also think that Americans shouldn't cover up its association with slavery and its treatment of the native population. While it's too late to bring back the millions of people we've killed, at least the US acknowledges what happened. The civil rights movement and the struggle of minorities was taught about thoroughly, at least at my school. Meanwhile Japan omits the rape of Nanjing, and other war crimes, from their textbooks.

There is a notable difference between admitting the past and holding it against people. I don't agree with how Japan handles WW2 education and acknowledgement but I don't hold what happened in WW2 against those not involved. I don't look at the US and go "Oh you c*nts invaded my country 200 years ago". I know they did but I don't hold it against the US as it is now.

But isn't refusing to acknowledge crimes almost as bad as actually perpetrating them? Sure, not every person in Japan was involved (although some that were are still alive today), but if someone won't acknowledge what their nation has done then they are just helping to make sure that those crimes are repeated. Plus, this isn't some crazy fringe group- this is their official stance that they were not responsible for the war crimes that their troops committed. And yes, you actually should hold some resentment towards the US for invading your country (are you talking about Canada in the War of 1812?), because what do you know, we're still invading other countries and imposing our government on them. And we will continue to do so if people forget about previous wars and just brush it off as the previous generation's fault. For the most part, wars happen because of idealism and trends in our culture- that's why Japan and Germany's old imperialistic cultures were abolished and replaced with new, "friendlier" cultures after they surrendered. But if this underlying current of feeling that it wasn't the current people's fault, that it was people in the past (the past being only 70 years ago) continues then crimes against humanity are going to happen again and again.

#109 Posted by ROFLCOPTER603 (2140 posts) -

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Should we hold it against modern people what their ancestors did at all? That's the point.slimjimbadboy

I think we should. By forgetting about it you're no better than your ancestors. Slavery still exists and war crimes still happen. If we don't look at the past, and recognize our (or our ancestors) mistakes history is just going to repeat itself. I don't agree with Japan's refusal to acknowledge their crimes. They try hard to cover up the fact that they killed more people than Germany. I also think that Americans shouldn't cover up its association with slavery and its treatment of the native population. While it's too late to bring back the millions of people we've killed, at least the US acknowledges what happened. The civil rights movement and the struggle of minorities was taught about thoroughly, at least at my school. Meanwhile Japan omits the rape of Nanjing, and other war crimes, from their textbooks.

I agree with your education and understanding comments. But, you never explained what you want from the modern day american.

I want the modern American to recognize that we are not a perfect country- that we have committed many crimes in the past, and that we continue to get involved in bloody wars that we have no part in being in. I find it outrageously stupid that we can't go a decade without getting involved in a conflict. It seems like America's way of thinking is that we will get involved in a war over some tragic event (The Maine, Gulf of Tonkin, 9/11, etc) without thinking it through, and then, when we realize that "oops, maybe that war was not justified", it's just the past generation or administration's fault. Currently, people blame Bush for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but really, he didn't make that decision alone. He had the support of the people, many of which are still alive today. I want modern Americans (and modern citizens of all countries) to recognize what happened in the past, learn from it, and not repeat it. Whether it happened 300 years ago or 10.

#110 Posted by r4v3gl0ry (1285 posts) -

In order to love a culture, you need to be very accepting of both the goods and bads of that culture's country. Someday, you'll question your professed desire for wanting to be a part of [insert name of any culture here], because the negatives will probably overwhelm you at first and force you into a disillusioned state for some time. 

For example, if you are an American, you may not like the strict conservatism of East Asian countries. You may not like their materialism (sounds ironic, because Americans are part of a consumer culture as well, but even the Korean, Japanese, Taiwanese, and Chinese education systems contribute to it, and the first question many East Asian parents will ask you will be: "What are your parent's jobs?").

You may grow annoyed with high-context cultures in general. Do you know what a high-context society is? It's one that is less open in communication and less direct. How about Confucianist traditions, do you think you'll adapt well?

It's not safe for you to idealize life in another culture like that. Take a slower approach and you'll probably find out even more fun things about Japan than you ever did. And if you try to befriend a native Japanese person here, absolutely do not start your conversation with anime or manga, because he/she is a person first and his/her culture last. 

 

#111 Posted by chaoscougar1 (36744 posts) -
Noopppeeee Wouldn't mind being able to speak the language though
#112 Posted by Primordialous (1276 posts) -

I do. Man I think theyre culture is so cool, I mean they got Anime, Manga, they make the best video games plus the girls are cute. I also think the buildings look pretty cool too. It sucks being a guy from usa, I wish i was born japanese. They are so lucky. What about you guys?

Synctor

Your reasoning......

#113 Posted by TAMKFan (32717 posts) -

I think it would be kind of interesting for me to be a Japanese girl.

#114 Posted by SirWander (5176 posts) -

no

#115 Posted by chaoscougar1 (36744 posts) -

I think it would be kind of interesting for me to be a Japanese girl.

TAMKFan
:lol: Got that right
#116 Posted by hippiesanta (9755 posts) -
I don't wish to be tiny
#117 Posted by cain006 (8625 posts) -

Yes. Only so I would be able to emulate Mr. Miyagi when I get old.

#118 Posted by hippiesanta (9755 posts) -
no, but I am half asian. I been to Japan and they are kinda racist. CWEBB04z
this is the problem ..... japanese thinks every white people in the world are american .... I've visited japan many time as a flight attendant and I've seen many first-timer american set their feet on any japan airport behave like "MR. Know It All" and usually raise their voice as if they are smarter than airport staff.... and they continue with that kind of diva attitude everywhere else . What sadden me... nice European people are mistakenly labeled as dirty americans
#119 Posted by Mercenary848 (9046 posts) -

No not at all

#120 Posted by Iceozo (6531 posts) -

http://www.cracked.com/article_20118_5-things-nobody-tells-you-about-living-in-japan.html

You should read this, TC. And I think I read somewhere people who enjoy anime are looked down upon (probably read that on Cracked too). 

#121 Posted by Riverwolf007 (23410 posts) -

i don't know much about the Japanese except what i have learned from their porn... which is they sound like someone is strangling a cat  when they make love... so no... i would not like to be them.

#122 Posted by CountBleck12 (22494 posts) -

No thank you.

#123 Posted by mindstorm (15242 posts) -
I enjoy certain things about Japanese culture, yes, but I do not wish to be anything but who I am.
#124 Posted by MetalDogGear (806 posts) -

[QUOTE="zenogandia"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] I wonder how long we'll be looking back on actions during WW2 as reasons to hold against how things are now. I mean the US basically lead a genocide against Natives and I don't see people holding that against them. Past is past, sucks that it happened but you can't hold it against people forever.slimjimbadboy

Americans shouldn't be proud of being American because their past is stained with slavery. We can't ignore slavery.

But should we ignore that Japan had slavery as well?

How about this Nobody be proud of their culture/race Be happy, but don't hate yourself or have excessive love for yourself/ have an air of superiority. I mean, you wouldn't say you are proud to be 5'11
#125 Posted by CongressManStan (918 posts) -
Not at all. You know you don't have to be Japanese to like their culture.
#126 Posted by lightleggy (15870 posts) -

Nope.

Happy to be myself.

Each of us has a culture to be proud of, not only Japanese.

LazySloth718
Why cant I be proud of just my individuality? why am I pretty much obligated by society to feel proud of my culture or country? I did not picked it, and im a human being, I do not wish to separate people in categories like nationality or culture. im latin and born in Costa Rica and I really dont care about my culture or my nationality, if anything I believe patriotism is just something made up to bind minds to an agenda under the excuse of loving your country.
#127 Posted by MetroidPrimePwn (12399 posts) -

No. It's a decent enough country to live in for a lot of people, but there's a lot of decent countries in the world, one of which is the one I'm from, and I have no overwhelming repulsion to my home country.

#128 Posted by mems_1224 (46139 posts) -
No, Japan is weird
#129 Posted by MetalDogGear (806 posts) -

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

Nope.

Happy to be myself.

Each of us has a culture to be proud of, not only Japanese.

lightleggy

Why cant I be proud of just my individuality? why am I pretty much obligated by society to feel proud of my culture or country? I did not picked it, and im a human being, I do not wish to separate people in categories like nationality or culture. im latin and born in Costa Rica and I really dont care about my culture or my nationality, if anything I believe patriotism is just something made up to bind minds to an agenda under the excuse of loving your country.

I like how you think because it's how I think

 

People want to separate themselves because they feel it's the right, natural thing to do.

 

That person is black, so he belongs with other black people.

 

The triangle peg goes in the triangle hole, etc.,

 

Human beings are cookie-cutter creatures. We don't like difference and we don't like creativity. Slogans like "Be yourself!" are just bumper stickers that no one really follows. Obey and do as your told and keep your head down

#130 Posted by Synctor (26 posts) -

I really wasn't expecting the  poll results. I thought gamers especially wanted to be Japanese because all the stuff they like comes from there. Guess not.

#131 Posted by Lucky_Krystal (1730 posts) -

I really wasn't expecting the  poll results. I thought gamers especially wanted to be Japanese because all the stuff they like comes from there. Guess not.

Synctor

One need not be Japanese to enjoy Japanese games. Also, not all gamers even like Japanese games.

#132 Posted by Epak_ (6764 posts) -

Nah, I like my above average and not below average penisMgamerBD

Right on. Besides, their brutal work and school culture would be too much for me.

Pros:

- women sound like they are getting violently raped when having sex
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Zeviander

Well, at least in porn vids they do. What's up with that anyway?

Edit: Notice the epic quoting mistake

#133 Posted by lo_Pine (5048 posts) -
Ohh yeah it's great being Japanese. I wonder why they kill themselves so much. They love to commit suicide.
#134 Posted by Rattlesnake_8 (18330 posts) -
Not at all. Can't see the fascination with the culture either....LJS9502_basic
#135 Posted by GhettoBlastin92 (1141 posts) -
Hell no.
#136 Posted by loco145 (10749 posts) -

No. Their societal norms sucks.

#137 Posted by DeadMan1290 (15499 posts) -

I admire them. They make the best vehicles and electronics... But, I don't want to be a Japanese.

#138 Posted by Synctor (26 posts) -

[QUOTE="Synctor"]

I really wasn't expecting the  poll results. I thought gamers especially wanted to be Japanese because all the stuff they like comes from there. Guess not.

Lucky_Krystal

One need not be Japanese to enjoy Japanese games. Also, not all gamers even like Japanese games.

Yeah, but I would get called things like "weeaboo" and "japf.ag" and stuff like that. If I were Japanese I wouldn't have to worry about any of that because it would be part of my culture.
#139 Posted by brickdoctor (9746 posts) -

I'm proud of my heritage and growing up in a very isolated and predominately white small town country community has influenced me to have no desire to be part of a different race.

#140 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
Whatchu got against their writing system?Capitan_Kid
It's really fvcking stupid? Mixing hiragana, katakana (both full syllabries) with modified Chinese symbols on top of Latinized words and numbers? Writing orientation both right to left and left to right? As well as up to down? It's a simple language to speak, but goddammit it's dumb to write. It's symbolically excessive. Katakana is completely unnecessary (loanwords and onomatopoeic words only). And kanji just saves time. I found romaji was the easiest way to write Japanese, and that wasn't because I come from an English speaking background, but because it used 26 symbols to write everything... rather than thousands.
#141 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
Well, at least in porn vids they do. What's up with that anyway?Epak_
Not sure. Must be the misogyny still prevalent in the culture.
#142 Posted by zenogandia (912 posts) -

[QUOTE="Lucky_Krystal"]

[QUOTE="Synctor"]

I really wasn't expecting the  poll results. I thought gamers especially wanted to be Japanese because all the stuff they like comes from there. Guess not.

Synctor

One need not be Japanese to enjoy Japanese games. Also, not all gamers even like Japanese games.

Yeah, but I would get called things like "weeaboo" and "japf.ag" and stuff like that. If I were Japanese I wouldn't have to worry about any of that because it would be part of my culture.

But you're not Japanese. That's why.

#143 Posted by oldmanriver1 (726 posts) -

http://www.cracked.com/article_20118_5-things-nobody-tells-you-about-living-in-japan.html

You should read this, TC. And I think I read somewhere people who enjoy anime are looked down upon (probably read that on Cracked too). 

Iceozo

Having lived in Japan for 3 years I have to say I disagree with parts of that article, in particular the "barely be able to buy food or get around" part. The train station maps are all written in English as well as Japanese and as for food, well all you really need to do in a restaurant is point at what you want and you've got your food. The you'll always be an outsider part is fairly spot on though. People in Japan just don't see very many foreign people that when they do they aren't quite sure how to treat them a lot of the time.

#144 Posted by WSGRandomPerson (13693 posts) -
I understand how you feel, because I feel the same way, but I would rather be born in older Japan.
#145 Posted by ROFLCOPTER603 (2140 posts) -

I understand how you feel, because I feel the same way, but I would rather be born in older Japan.WSGRandomPerson

Older meaning imperial Japan?