Do you disrespect transgender people?

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#-49 Posted by VaguelyTagged (10398 posts) -

no,but i don't want them anywhere near me tbh. i hate it when sexuality is over expressed.

#-48 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -

no,but i don't want them anywhere near me tbh. i hate it when sexuality is over expressed.

VaguelyTagged
Not all trans* folks are sexually expressive. Some are even asexual, just like some non-trans* folks.
#-47 Posted by jeremiah06 (7169 posts) -
I once asked this tranny the size of a pro linebacker for a stick of gum once... he/she gave me the gum and I said thanks...
#-46 Posted by Pffrbt (6601 posts) -

I once asked this tranny the size of a pro linebacker for a stick of gum once... he/she gave me the gum and I said thanks...jeremiah06

The term "tranny" is considered derogatory by some.

#-45 Posted by CreasianDevaili (4193 posts) -
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"]

no,but i don't want them anywhere near me tbh. i hate it when sexuality is over expressed.

Not all trans* folks are sexually expressive. Some are even asexual, just like some non-trans* folks.

Perhaps they are just saying that the only way you know someone is a transgender is through sexual expression or verbal proclamation. You don't need to know their sexuality to hang out nor religion. All those non important facts do is add possibly annoying elements to the otherwise simple easy going interaction. If I never, ever, intend to fuvk that person then do I really benefit/need to know their sexuality?

At some point you end up tip toeing around all these people in your little group that it makes it easier just to not hang out anymore.
#-44 Posted by Pffrbt (6601 posts) -

Perhaps they are just saying that the only way you know someone is a transgender is through sexual expression or verbal proclamation. You don't need to know their sexuality to hang out nor religion. All those non important facts do is add possibly annoying elements to the otherwise simple easy going interaction. If I never, ever, intend to fuvk that person then do I really benefit/need to know their sexuality? CreasianDevaili

A person's gender isn't their sexuality though, and it isn't exactly non-important. It's a key part of their identity, same goes for if you were talking about someone's sexuality.

#-43 Posted by CreasianDevaili (4193 posts) -

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]Perhaps they are just saying that the only way you know someone is a transgender is through sexual expression or verbal proclamation. You don't need to know their sexuality to hang out nor religion. All those non important facts do is add possibly annoying elements to the otherwise simple easy going interaction. If I never, ever, intend to fuvk that person then do I really benefit/need to know their sexuality? Pffrbt

A person's gender isn't their sexuality though, and it isn't exactly non-important. It's a key part of their identity, same goes for if you were talking about someone's sexuality.

I am well aware that gender does not equate to a preset sexuality. That was why i said there is a need for sexual expression or verbal proclamation. The same can be said that one's friendship to another does not equate to a preset such as what gender or sexuality that they are. As such, it is not a key part of the identity of the friendship itself.

I have never, ever, needed to know someone's gender or sexuality to be their friend. Nor has that information ever been a boon or lack thereof detrimental to the friendship. If I wanted to bang them, then yeah that information is needed of course. But aside from that It is not a factor.

Can you list something aside from people wanting to walk around like a nascar with logos and stickers all over them?

Edit: Do i really need to go into what I mean by sexual expression?
#-42 Posted by Pffrbt (6601 posts) -

I have never, ever, needed to know someone's gender or sexuality to be their friend.CreasianDevaili

I can't imagine why someone would want to be your friend if you can't be bothered to refer to them as the proper gender or respect their sexuality simply because making either of those clear would upset you for some reason.

#-41 Posted by CreasianDevaili (4193 posts) -

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]I have never, ever, needed to know someone's gender or sexuality to be their friend.Pffrbt

I can't imagine why someone would want to be your friend if you can't be bothered to refer to them as the proper gender or respect their sexuality simply because making either of those clear would upset you for some reason.

I refer to my friends by their name. I have never, ever, referred to one friend i've known since a kid as a heterosexual male. Do you do that? So would you refer to your friend Tom, as the transgender born again christian? That is rather strange and somewhat weird. Should I introduce Stacy as the lesbian arm cutting wiccan?

I am asking you how one needs such information in a friendship where neither gender or sexuality is a factor. How one respects another's sexuality when sexuality isn't a part of the friendship. Push aside the petty methods or trying to insult me and at least try and act like you can defend your position.
#-40 Posted by Pffrbt (6601 posts) -

I refer to my friends by their name. I have never, ever, referred to one friend i've known since a kid as a heterosexual male. Do you do that? So would you refer to your friend Tom, as the transgender born again christian? That is rather strange and somewhat weird. Should I introduce Stacy as the lesbian arm cutting wiccan?
Obviously not what I'm talking about. These things come up in and affect conversations. If you're having a conversation of relationships/sex with a guy that isn't attracted to women obviously his sexuality is going to be a factor in thatand will probably come up (unless he's talking to someone like you who's going to get bent out of shape when anyone brings up their sexuality as anything other than straight). It's happened to me and I've never brought up any of these topics on my own, and I just had topretend my waythrough the conversation because I didn't feel comfortable making it clear who I was.I imaginethe same thing could happen to a transgender person.

I am asking you how one needs such information in a friendship where neither gender or sexuality is a factor.
Because it is a factor. Obviously someone doesn't want to be treated as male if they identify as female and obviously someone doesn't want to be spoken to as if they're attracted to the opposite sex when they really aren't.
How one respects another's sexuality when sexuality isn't a part of the friendship.CreasianDevaili


Because you should respect someone's sexuality/gender if you actually want to have a friendship with them.

#-39 Posted by johnd13 (8543 posts) -

I treat them like everybody else.

#-38 Posted by -Toshy- (1358 posts) -
The opposite was true for the trans women, iirc.Lockedge
So are you saying that they don't experience phantom limb syndrome? That's understandable. As you mentioned, in SRS they are using the equipment that you already have. So in a sense the penis is still there, but in a different form. This way, the brain still receives a signal from it and doesn't attempt to compensate for a lack of signal like the soldiers in the study you mentioned.
#-37 Posted by junglist101 (5462 posts) -

I have no problem with them and no reason to disrespect anyone who doesn't deserve it.

#-36 Posted by norm41x (813 posts) -

I'm personally still trying to get used to the idea that they are out there. Its still weird for me knowing that a woman could be a man (Or was once a man). What bothers me is the idea that one could be flirting with me and I wouldn't know the difference. I don't disrespect them, but I do still find it pretty weird. My friend has a trans friend and showed me his pictures. She asked me if I thought "She" was cute, I said yeah. Next thing I know, I'm being laughed at: "HAHA! YOU LIKE MEN NORM???". So yeah. That sucks.

#-35 Posted by hippiesanta (10012 posts) -
I disrespect them because they don't appreciate that they have private parts and want to cut it off...... and not because of their sexual orientation
#-34 Posted by Zaibach (13466 posts) -

I'm personally still trying to get used to the idea that they are out there. Its still weird for me knowing that a woman could be a man (Or was once a man). What bothers me is the idea that one could be flirting with me and I wouldn't know the difference. I don't disrespect them, but I do still find it pretty weird. My friend has a trans friend and showed me his pictures. She asked me if I thought "She" was cute, I said yeah. Next thing I know, I'm being laughed at: "HAHA! YOU LIKE MEN NORM???". So yeah. That sucks.

norm41x

Haha you like men:lol: something like that?

#-33 Posted by CreasianDevaili (4193 posts) -
[QUOTE="Pffrbt"]

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]I refer to my friends by their name. I have never, ever, referred to one friend i've known since a kid as a heterosexual male. Do you do that? So would you refer to your friend Tom, as the transgender born again christian? That is rather strange and somewhat weird. Should I introduce Stacy as the lesbian arm cutting wiccan?
Obviously not what I'm talking about. These things come up in and affect conversations. If you're having a conversation of relationships/sex with a guy that isn't attracted to women obviously his sexuality is going to be a factor in thatand will probably come up (unless he's talking to someone like you who's going to get bent out of shape when anyone brings up their sexuality as anything other than straight). It's happened to me and I've never brought up any of these topics on my own, and I just had topretend my waythrough the conversation because I didn't feel comfortable making it clear who I was.I imaginethe same thing could happen to a transgender person.

I am asking you how one needs such information in a friendship where neither gender or sexuality is a factor.
Because it is a factor. Obviously someone doesn't want to be treated as male if they identify as female and obviously someone doesn't want to be spoken to as if they're attracted to the opposite sex when they really aren't.
How one respects another's sexuality when sexuality isn't a part of the friendship.


Because you should respect someone's sexuality/gender if you actually want to have a friendship with them.

I will poke fun of the girl the guys are slobbering over just the same if a guy friend was checking out another guy. If someone starts a conversation up over what turns them on the most, most chances are i've done left the building and going to do something else. That goes for any sexuality. Any perspective. Same with religion. So no. You would never have me talking to a friend about relationships. I expect my friends to know how to handle themselves and their own lives. I also expect them not to bring drama with them which is what relationship conversations often bring.

Again, I treat everyone the same. I hold the damn door open for both the girls and the guys. I pull pranks on both the girls, and its the same pranks on both. I also help them the same, and refuse the same rewards. Hell I shake the girls hands just like the guys. Much to the surprise of many of them. I just don't give two craps about your sexuality or gender. Less I wanna bang ya. Then yeah i want you to be female and possibly bisexual for freaky fun!

What I am asking you is simple and you've only offered childish stuff in return. Not good enough.
#-32 Posted by Pffrbt (6601 posts) -

If someone starts a conversation up over what turns them on the most, most chances are i've done left the building and going to do something else.
So you just walk away while someone's talking to you? That's kind of rude.
So no. You would never have me talking to a friend about relationships.
How convenient for you. I've gotten stuck in situations where I couldn't simply walk away though.
I expect my friends to know how to handle themselves and their own lives. I also expect them not to bring drama with them which is what relationship conversations often bring.
It doesn't have to necessarily be a relationship conversation, someone could just bring up their significant otherin a conversation about something else. This would be bringing up their sexuality, which is a big no-no for you.

Again, I treat everyone the same.
Why?
Then yeah i want you to be female and possibly bisexual for freaky fun!
You sound like a real catch.

What I am asking you is simple and you've only offered childish stuff in return. Not good enough. CreasianDevaili

How is respecting someone's sexuality/gender and being sensitive childish?

#-31 Posted by toast_burner (22865 posts) -

I disrespect them because they don't appreciate that they have private parts and want to cut it off...... and not because of their sexual orientationhippiesanta
So if you have a massive growth on your face you should accept it even if there is surgery to correct it?

#-30 Posted by Lockedge (16794 posts) -

[QUOTE="Lockedge"]The opposite was true for the trans women, iirc.-Toshy-
So are you saying that they don't experience phantom limb syndrome? That's understandable. As you mentioned, in SRS they are using the equipment that you already have. So in a sense the penis is still there, but in a different form. This way, the brain still receives a signal from it and doesn't attempt to compensate for a lack of signal like the soldiers in the study you mentioned.

I can't recall if that was controlled for in the study, tbh. But you're right, that could certainly be part of why (and why I wish there were more studies done to replicate it, under different constraints). All the surgeons do is remove the testes and part of the body of the penis in terms of what's thrown away.The glans and all the skin, and everything is kept.

I just find it goes well with supporting the notion of SRS/GRS as a legitimate surgery, as the lack of phantom limb + significant reduction in dysphoria makes it pretty darn worthwhile, imo.

#-29 Posted by ghostwarrior786 (5811 posts) -

i am not saying they all deserve to be exterminated but im not sure they deserve to live either

#-28 Posted by tenaka2 (17040 posts) -

i am not saying they all deserve to be exterminated but im not sure they deserve to live either

ghostwarrior786

lol sounds like someone got fooled by a ladyboy :P

#-27 Posted by hippiesanta (10012 posts) -

[QUOTE="hippiesanta"]I disrespect them because they don't appreciate that they have private parts and want to cut it off...... and not because of their sexual orientationtoast_burner

So if you have a massive growth on your face you should accept it even if there is surgery to correct it?

I'm talking about "Normal" bodyparts ..... genitalia is normal ..... disfigured bodyparts is different topic

#-26 Posted by tenaka2 (17040 posts) -

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="hippiesanta"]I disrespect them because they don't appreciate that they have private parts and want to cut it off...... and not because of their sexual orientationhippiesanta

So if you have a massive growth on your face you should accept it even if there is surgery to correct it?

I'm talking about "Normal" bodyparts ..... genitalia is normal ..... disfigured bodyparts is different topic

Some babies are born with tails, not disfigured just a genetic throwback to when we had tails. Do you think its ok for doctors to remove them?

#-25 Posted by sune_Gem (12463 posts) -

I just treat them like normal. Granted I'm a bit shocked when I find out but after that they're still humans.

#-24 Posted by jimkabrhel (15436 posts) -

Nope.

#-23 Posted by JinjonatorX (639 posts) -
It seems like a lot of people in here don't know the difference between transgender and transsexual. Not all transgenders get sex changes; they just identify as a different gender (or neither, or both). And as far as the "haha you like men?" thing... it doesn't matter if they were originally a guy. If they're female now, they're female. People need to quit being so insecure about their sexuality.
#-22 Posted by Goyoshi12 (9687 posts) -

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]I read medical journals. Sunsha
You should be more careful. This is OT some of them are afraid of reading such things.

Not afraid just...iffy.

#-21 Posted by o0squishy0o (2775 posts) -

I don't think its great when you disrespect alot of people full stop. However the line of "treating them like mental cases", you are right there disrespecting people with a mental illness, and I would argue that thinking you should be the opposite sex to what you are physically is a mental illness.

#-20 Posted by jun_aka_pekto (17829 posts) -

I treat them just like any person. If the person is nice, I treat him nice. If the person is a prick then I treat him like a prick What I don't want to see is a tranny winking and looking at me like I'm a steak or something. I remember visiting the Philippines one time. While commuting, what I thought was a female hooker squeezed my leg. Later, one of the other passengers said it was a he, not a she.

#-19 Posted by Renevent42 (5827 posts) -

I don't and think people should be left to conduct their own lives as they see fit as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else directly. With that said, it's kind of gross to me and something I really don't understand nor really want to understand. Nice thing though is that I don't have to understand, and frankly just means I have no business worrying about what they do with their own lives.

Like that Buck Angel monster...damn that is just gross and weird lol. All the same if he/she/whatever is happy more power to them.

#-18 Posted by thegerg (16235 posts) -

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Lucky_Krystal"]

No, I don't disrespect transgender people. What reason would I have to do that?

Lucky_Krystal

They might be rude to others, or they might not offer you the respect you deserve. Thee are a number of reasons to disrespect people.

Well then I'll disrespect them because they are disrespectful, not because they are transgender.

Right. I was simply answering your question.
#-17 Posted by Postmortem123 (7718 posts) -

Not at all.

#-16 Posted by HybridPhoenix (3598 posts) -
I don't at all.
#-15 Posted by Aljosa23 (26190 posts) -

No I'm not a bigoted assho1e.

#-14 Posted by JinjonatorX (639 posts) -
I'm also noticing an unhealthy abundance of people saying that they respect transgenders, while simultaneously demonstrating that they don't respect them at all. That's some impressive doublethink.
#-13 Posted by Omni-Slash (54450 posts) -

Nope...do I get it?..not really...but do I care what others do when it doesn't effect other people?...absolutely not.....have at it...

#-12 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

I have a hard time taking them seriously, but they're entitled to do what they want like anyone else.

#-11 Posted by CycleOfViolence (2813 posts) -

I don't determine if someone is deserving of respect based on sexual orientation or sexual identity.

#-10 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
I respect them more than a lot of "normal" people who are afraid to be who they really are.
#-9 Posted by lamprey263 (26102 posts) -
if anything I've praised them on their terrific hair and make-up, only ones I've dissed are the dudes who dress in dresses and don't try to look the least bit feminine about it like they have their beards and they walk like men they just make horrible ladies
#-8 Posted by Jazz_Fan (29516 posts) -

I'd love to have a trans friend

Not as much as I'd like a flamboyant gay as a friend tho

#-7 Posted by JinjonatorX (639 posts) -

if anything I've praised them on their terrific hair and make-up, only ones I've dissed are the dudes who dress in dresses and don't try to look the least bit feminine about it like they have their beards and they walk like men they just make horrible ladieslamprey263

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#-6 Posted by bigfoot2045 (732 posts) -

I have nothing against transgender people. In fact, I feel sorry for them. It's sad that someone would have to go through life with the person they are on the outside not reflecting who they feel they are on the inside.

Unfortunately though, there's not really a great way at the moment to turn a man into a woman or vice versa. The person is still their original gender, just with mutilated genitals and screwed up hormones. Perhaps this will improve in the future with advances in medicine.

#-5 Posted by thegerg (16235 posts) -

I don't determine if someone is deserving of respect based on sexual orientation or sexual identity.

CycleOfViolence

This. There is a disturbing amount of simple-minded yes/no thinking in this thread.

#-4 Posted by chrisrooR (9027 posts) -
No, why would I...or anyone for that matter?
#-3 Posted by thegerg (16235 posts) -
No why should I?FMAB_GTO
Some of them are just simply rude people that don't deserve respect.
#-2 Posted by thegerg (16235 posts) -
No, why would I...or anyone for that matter?chrisrooR
For the same reason you would not respect someone who is not transgendered. Are transgendered people some type of magical beings that is always deserving of respect?
#-1 Posted by -TheSecondSign- (9246 posts) -

They don't bother me, so no.

#0 Posted by achilles614 (4909 posts) -
I have no issues with transgender folk, even had a couple friends that were transgender (when I was involved with more community work, they were some of the people we helped out). There's a "guy" in my speech class who everyone legitimately thought was a female (longish blonde hair, no masculine features whatsoever, girly voice, painted nails piercing, wore pink) and the teacher on many occasions referred to him as a her and he corrects her saying "I'm a boy, but don't worry even my mom gets it confused sometimes"...it's still awkward in that class because no ones sure which gender the person is...like it's impossible to tell without seeing an ID.