[QUOTE="thegerg"]If I drink a bottle of wine then get in my truck and drive though a school zone at 70mph while firing a pistol out the window but hit no one with my vehicle or weapon one could argue that there were no victims, but a reasonable person would believe my actions should be criminal. m0zart
Certainly that's a gray area. I have to admit though that I am probably ok with not criminalizing such an act if no harm was actually done. Sounds controversial, but over the years I more and more side with the notion that we're all slowly becoming more in danger of the laws that are made to protect us from such risks than from the risks they target.
But yes, I can see that exposing someone to a very real risk can be considered well within that gray area. Similarly, making threats of force or fraud can be considered actionable to some extent, since the threat is expressing some real intent to create a victim.
A reasonable person would consider a crime to be criminal, and a reasonable person would consider a breach of the criminal code to be a crime. I don't see how that has nothing to do with your post.harashawn
If you decided to define "crime" as meaning "anything and everything we chose to make illegal for just about any purpose we chose whatsoever", then sure, a reasonable person would see your defintion and say the term was applied as strictly defined. But that's really only because he knows how to use your definition as stated. It's a pretty low-level of reason really. It's actually little more than applying logic, making it a bit automatic, as automatic as a math equation.
But someone who goes to the next level and says "that which we have made illegal should be in any and all circumstances", that person is no longer being reasonable, just robotic. From my own perspective on what constitutes ethical Government, making a victimless act into a crime only creates new victims, and worse, victims who often have no recourse, having been marked by whoever wields the rubber stamp as an officially sanctioned victim. We tend to blank out the violence we do to others when we internalize it into the legal system, when we make it official. And of course, that kind of evasion of the ethical wrongdoings we commit in such cases is, IMO, pretty damned unreasonable.
Well said.
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