As you know, nothing literally does not exist. Not in any form. simply because something exists and nothing doesn't exist.
Can zero really be classified as a number when it isn't a real thing?
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As you know, nothing literally does not exist. Not in any form. simply because something exists and nothing doesn't exist.
Can zero really be classified as a number when it isn't a real thing?
discuss
As you know, nothing literally does not exist. Not in any form. simply because something exists and nothing doesn't exist.
Can zero really be classified as a number when it isn't a real thing?
discuss
Nothing can exist in certain contexts. The thing to remember here is that the numbers actually refer to things. Numbers are used to describe reality, and that description is context-specific. If I'm on an island and if there are no apples on that island, and if I'm using numbers to describe the number of apples on that island, then it's fair to say that the number is zero. Why? Because in reality, there aren't any apples on that island.
Of course, that's just based on my personal perception. The real question is if a mathematical model that DOESN'T contain zero would work better than the ones that do. And that's a question for the mathematicians of OT, I don't know enough to state whether or not there are better models or systems to use.
As you know, nothing literally does not exist. Not in any form. simply because something exists and nothing doesn't exist.
Can zero really be classified as a number when it isn't a real thing?
discuss
Did you know that ancient egyptians didn't "believed" in 0? They're math included no 0 at all.
Then they kind of realized the 0 was necessary for math to work as an exact science, and 0 has existed ever since.
Now I'm no mathmatician, but I'm guessing that if they had to add 0 just because they realized that they're math wasn't working that well, then 0 must be pretty important.
Did you know that ancient egyptians didn't "believed" in 0? They're math included no 0 at all.
Then they kind of realized the 0 was necessary for math to work as an exact science, and 0 has existed ever since.
Now I'm no mathmatician, but I'm guessing that if they had to add 0 just because they realized that they're math wasn't working that well, then 0 must be pretty important.
In the old world, the concept of 0 was invented in India in about the fifth century CE. In the Americas, the Mayans had independently developed the concept about 300 years earlier.
As you know, nothing literally does not exist. Not in any form. simply because something exists and nothing doesn't exist.
Can zero really be classified as a number when it isn't a real thing?
discuss
Did you know that ancient egyptians didn't "believed" in 0? They're math included no 0 at all.
Then they kind of realized the 0 was necessary for math to work as an exact science, and 0 has existed ever since.
Now I'm no mathmatician, but I'm guessing that if they had to add 0 just because they realized that they're math wasn't working that well, then 0 must be pretty important.
And that's a bit more concise than what I was saying.
Modern mathematicians aren't exactly f***ing stupid. They're aware that non-zero mathematical models have existed before, and there are probably lots of then nerdy enough to see what would happen if they tried to use a non-zero mathematical model today. Someone far smarter than any of us has tried this, I f***ing guarantee it.
And yet, today, everyone f***ing uses zero. I strongly suspect that that's because using zero just plain works a lot better than NOT using zero. If not using zero actually worked better, then they'd be f***ing doing it.
Zero is a symbol of a number, and this symbol is used everyday. If we didn't have the symbol 0 then this world would be quite different. Things wouldn't run the way they do, and Math would be a mess.
102 wouldn't be able to exist without zero, but 112 could. 0 doesn't just mean nothing.
@4myAmuzumament: When you say "nothing literally does not exist "
I fail to catch your point, mind explaining a bit more? (I mean which is your point, "nothing exists " or "everything, to some degree, exists" ? )
I mean that there is no such thing as nothing. This stems from my belief that something cannot come from nothing, meaning that there has always been something and never nothing. Zero is a symbol for nothing being there, but that nothing, isn't real.
@4myAmuzumament: You seem to be confused. There are things that literally do not exist.
i think you're the one that is confused. i know that there are things that do not exist, but there is no such thing as nothing.
Zero is a mathematical concept used as a placeholder or to symbolize that none of a given quantity exists.
Numbers in general are simply abstract symbols used to describe the world. Negative numbers and imaginary numbers can't even be visualized concretely, but they're still used because they have applications in mathematics. It's kind of like that with zero.
Zero is obviously a number, but I get what you're saying - "nothing" is the absence of "something", so zero is a purely conceptual number, as an absence doesn't physically exist; it's an idea.
What you're debating is whether or not zero is a natural number.
I don't think zero is truly a natural number, but should be counted as one for convenience's sake.
@4myAmuzumament: You seem to be confused. There are things that literally do not exist.
Yes and nothing is one of them.
Zero is obviously a number, but I get what you're saying - "nothing" is the absence of "something", so zero is a purely conceptual number, as an absence doesn't physically exist; it's an idea.
What you're debating is whether or not zero is a natural number.
I don't think zero is truly a natural number, but should be counted as one for convenience's sake.
this guy gets it/me.
but now I have a new question. when my GPS is on and it's telling me how many miles to drive before the next step, it will sometimes say, "in point five miles, bear right."
do you say 0.5 mile since it's less than a mile, or 0.5 miles because the 5 pluralizes it?
would you say 0.999... mile since 0.999...=1, or would you say 0.999...miles since the 9 is plural?
Negatives shouldn't count then?
You can't have -1 apple.
correct.
So,what happens if you have 5$ but have a dept of 10$?
Well, I can't pay off my debt so I'll just hold on to the cash and go halfsies.
You're referring to an inherent zero. There is such a thing as a non-inherent zero, you know.
i have no knowledge of such things: non-inherent and inherent zeros. can you explain/elaborate on what they are? online descriptions aren't helping me.
You're referring to an inherent zero. There is such a thing as a non-inherent zero, you know.
i have no knowledge of such things: non-inherent and inherent zeros. can you explain/elaborate on what they are? online descriptions aren't helping me.
Just Google it. I'm busy with replaying Far Cry 3. Here. Just for you. ;)
Zero is obviously a number, but I get what you're saying - "nothing" is the absence of "something", so zero is a purely conceptual number, as an absence doesn't physically exist; it's an idea.
What you're debating is whether or not zero is a natural number.
I don't think zero is truly a natural number, but should be counted as one for convenience's sake.
this guy gets it/me.
but now I have a new question. when my GPS is on and it's telling me how many miles to drive before the next step, it will sometimes say, "in point five miles, bear right."
do you say 0.5 mile since it's less than a mile, or 0.5 miles because the 5 pluralizes it?
would you say 0.999... mile since 0.999...=1, or would you say 0.999...miles since the 9 is plural?
I say miles, but I think, grammatically, it's supposed to be mile
BTW it must be hard for thegerg getting schooled time and time again.
Pretty sure he's just an internet bot or viral marketer for some obscure indie game, bro.
@jun_aka_pekto: i give that picture a 0/10. it means nothing to me.
Of course not.
It meant something to me, not you. I don't get to play many games for long stretches. So, I make the best of it when the opportunity presents itself.
Zero is obviously a number, but I get what you're saying - "nothing" is the absence of "something", so zero is a purely conceptual number, as an absence doesn't physically exist; it's an idea.
What you're debating is whether or not zero is a natural number.
I don't think zero is truly a natural number, but should be counted as one for convenience's sake.
this guy gets it/me.
but now I have a new question. when my GPS is on and it's telling me how many miles to drive before the next step, it will sometimes say, "in point five miles, bear right."
do you say 0.5 mile since it's less than a mile, or 0.5 miles because the 5 pluralizes it?
would you say 0.999... mile since 0.999...=1, or would you say 0.999...miles since the 9 is plural?
0.5 miles because the plural form is also used for fractions.
.999 mile because it can't be expressed as a fraction but is still equal to one.
As you know, nothing literally does not exist. Not in any form. simply because something exists and nothing doesn't exist.
Can zero really be classified as a number when it isn't a real thing?
discuss
How do you know nothing doesn't exist? If it existed could you perceive it? Furthermore, would existing be the right word for it? Wouldn't the right phrase possibly be that nothing non-exists?
As you know, nothing literally does not exist. Not in any form. simply because something exists and nothing doesn't exist.
Can zero really be classified as a number when it isn't a real thing?
discuss
Oh my god... Really? REALLY?? Welcome to mayans. Like, seriously. You are on the "discover math" like a millenia and a half behind.
Negatives shouldn't count then?
You can't have -1 apple.
Sure you can it just means you consume -1 apples and are worse off than if you consumed 0 apples.
As you know, nothing literally does not exist. Not in any form. simply because something exists and nothing doesn't exist.
Can zero really be classified as a number when it isn't a real thing?
discuss
How do you know nothing doesn't exist? If it existed could you perceive it? Furthermore, would existing be the right word for it? Wouldn't the right phrase possibly be that nothing non-exists?
If it existed, then it wouldn't be nothing
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