Democrats Arrested At Illegal Immigrant Rally

Marchers urge Congress to pass immigration reform, several congressmen arrested shows that Nancy Pelosi of California, John Lewis of Georgia, Charles Rangel of New York and Luis Gutierrez of Illinois were attending and arrested along with other protesters while other marchers cheered as they were handcuffed.

This march was held on the Mall that was supposed to be closed due to the government shutdown.

While there is a need for immigration reform, the US government cannot grant 12 million illegal immigrants (the number is rising again after falling due to the economy tanking) amnesty or an easy path to citizenship when there have been millions of immigrants who have gone through the process taking years to immigrate to the US. They should not be granted a special dispensation so they can become US citizens just because they jumped the border. Once was enough as far as amnesty goes. At that time, it was 3 million illegals in the US that were granted it, now it is 4 times that number. How many will it be the next time that this comes around? 50 million?

Why is it that people think lawbreakers deserve a special break to become a US citizen?

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I guess the proper path to immigration is optional.

Where in this article does it say that Nancy Pelosi was arrested?

The article only mentions Pelosi once and it doesn't say she was arrested:

"House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) emphasized that “the full diversity” of Democrats in the House supports the immigration measure she introduced last week, and she presented leaders of the African American, Asian and Latino caucuses."

You didn't read to closely now did you? It was in the third paragraph of the story.

Among those arrested were several lawmakers, including Reps. Luis V. Gutierrez (D-Ill.), Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.), John Lewis (D-Ga.) and Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.). Gustavo Torres, head of Casa de Maryland, immigration lawyers, priests and labor activists also were taken into custody. The protesters were charged with “crowding, obstructing and incommoding,” a spokesman for the Capitol Police said.

That doesn't say Pelosi was arrested.

I can't find it now. I just find it odd that the left gets arrested at rallies while others do not, hence this thread. Something to think about. John Lewis has been arrested some 45 times though some of it may be related to the civil rights movement of years gone by.

Are you serious, WK? Nowhere in that paragraph does it say Nancy Pelosi was arrested.

It's pretty hilarious that you say I didn't read closely, yet somehow you manage to read "Nancy Pelosi was arrested" from a paragraph that doesn't even mention her. lol.

lol.

I just did a google search and none of the articles that came up said Nancy Pelosi was arrested.

It's still better than being deported. Besides, that's 13 years they can work in jobs open to non-citizens. The only jobs that are really closed off to non-citizens are government jobs that require a high security clearance and a few other select jobs.

Sounds an awful lot like the DREAM Act. Wonder whatever happened to that. . .

Read your links better tc

ITT WhiteKnight embarrasses himself in front of everyone again. Also I don't understand the argument that "legal immigrants jump through hoops and take forever to come here so we shouldn't make it easier for people to reside in our nation". There is a strong consensus amongst economists and business experts that immigrants are a significant boon to a nation's economy, because they represent an inflow of young labour that is willing to train and educate itself and pay taxes, use social services less extensively than the general population and commit crime less frequently than the general population. This is especially important for the U.S. and other developed nations due to their increasing problems with labour shortages, slow growth and rapidly growing elderly populations.

There are more important issues to be dealt with. Politicians suck.

This. And what I don't understand about some people is that they complain when "illegal immigrants are taking our jurbs!', even though almost every illegal immigrant has a job like cleaning the house, or cleaning windows etc., all jobs that most normal citizens wouldn't even consider doing.

This is such a ridiculous argument. Before illegal immigration who do you think did those jobs? How come it put Americans out of work if no one was doing those jobs? I really wish people would do more than listen to soundbites. FYI construction is one of the most sought after labor jobs because it pays well. Now...those jobs go to immigrants.

As well as restaurant and hotel work. The only jobs immigrants have taken that Americans didn't traditionally do is picking harvests. Which was done by migrant workers.

Before there was a lot of illegal immigration, there wasn't anyone who wanted to do those things for so little money. In a lot of countries there was actually a shortage of people for low paying jobs in the 60's and 70's. That's actually the reason why there are a lot of Muslim immigrants in Europe. And do you have any numbers for those high paying construction jobs? Because I would think that those high paying construction jobs require knowledge and experience that most of those illegal immigrants don't have.

You're wrong. If they didn't want to do them....why did they hold the jobs? Every met someone out a job because of illegal immigration? You're European if I recall and hardly an expert on what illegal immigration is doing to this country. I specifically mentioned construction because it's a job that pays very very well. And there was no lack of employees in that field. It doesn't matter what you think. If you had studied the issue like I mentioned above...you would know construction is becoming more and more a job that hires illegals. That's fact.

You're right, I'm not an expert in American illegal immigration, but neither are you, so that's not really a good argument. And the well paying jobs in construction are almost exclusively hold by citizens or legal immigrants, because you do need to know your stuff if you want to do one of those jobs, and most illegal immigrants only have a high school degree, and sometimes not even that. The construction jobs that you don't need a lot of knowledge for aren't exactly 'very very well paid", as the salary is less than the median salary in America. And how exactly does one know they lost their job to an illegal immigrant? Because the employer isn't going to tell you that.

So good of you to know what I'm expert at. Anyway, you are missing the point. There really are no bad paying construction jobs in the US. I don't know why you think there is. It's a good field. It pays very well.

Illegal immigration costs taxpayers millions of dollars a year. Or was that billions. I can't remember. But the fact is....it does cost money. And here's a quote from an article on illegal immigration from McClatchy DC----

+. Illegal immigrants push down wages for legal workers in food-processing, factory and service jobs, economists say. Because illegal immigrants will work for almost any wage, employers have little reason to pay other workers more. Sometimes jobs that low-skilled Americans would be willing to do, such as washing dishes and cleaning bathrooms, are instead taken by illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigrants help the nation's private-sector economy by providing cheap labor — something that is especially critical for the Central Valley. But their competition with low-skilled American workers and their strain on local government budgets cancel out that boost for that nation's overall economy, some economists say.

In the end, illegal immigration in the Valley means businesses are big winners while many blue-collar workers lose out.

So you are an expert? Please tell me where you studied it than, and what kind of degree you have.

And I never said that those jobs pay badly, but if you don't have a specialized skill set, which most of the illegal immigrants don't have, you're not going to get paid very well.

Here's a quote from another article

'As Congress considers immigration reform, experts across the political spectrum say American jobs are safe.

That immigrants take the jobs of American-born citizens is “something that virtually no learned person believes in,” Alex Nowrasteh, an immigration expert at the libertarian Cato Institute, said at a Thursday panel. “It’s sort of a silly thing.”

Most economists don’t find immigrants driving down wages or jobs, the Brookings Institution's Michael Greenstone and Adam Looney wrote in May. In fact, “on average, immigrant workers increase the opportunities and incomes of Americans,” they write. Foreign-born workers don’t affect the employment rate positively or negatively, according to a 2011 analysis from the conservative American Enterprise Institute.'

Another article

'Many of the illegal immigrants work jobs for slaughter houses, landscaping services, produce farmers, livestock farmers, grain farmers, maid services, janitorial services, and restaurant services. A lot of the jobs the Mexicans occupy are manual labor jobs. Several farmers down South try to hire workers from other nationalities, but did not have success and decided to hire illegal immigrants to work the farms.

The type of jobs that the illegal immigrants take in America are jobs that American citizens will not work anymore. If the tasks are not performed on these type of jobs then vegetables and fruit will not get harvested and hotel rooms and office buildings will not get cleaned (The Atlantic Wire, 2013 and Camarato, & Zeigler, 2009).'

There are even more articles, but they more or less say the same thing.

Illegal immigrants take jobs away from American citizens. According to a review of U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics and Census Bureau data, legal and illegal immigrants gained over a million additional jobs between 2008 and 2010 even as millions of American citizens were losing their jobs during that same time period.

Illegal immigrants generally don’t pay taxes. The vast majority of illegal aliens would never even dream of paying income taxes, but Mexicans living in America send billions upon billions of dollars out of the United States and back to Mexico every single year.

Although illegal aliens pay next to nothing in taxes, they have no problem receiving tens of billions of dollars worth of free education benefits, free health care benefits, free housing assistance and free food stamp benefits. Many communities in the United States now openly advertise that they will help illegal aliens with these things.

The cost of educating the children of illegal immigrants is staggering. It is estimated that U.S. taxpayers spend $12,000,000,000 a year on primary and secondary school education for the children of illegal immigrants.

Thanks to illegal immigration, California’s overstretched health care system is on the verge of collapse. Dozens of California hospitals and emergency rooms have shut down over the last decade because they could not afford to stay open after being endlessly swamped by illegal immigrants who were simply not able to pay for the services that they were receiving. As a result, the remainder of the health care system in the state of California is now beyond overloaded. This had led to brutally long waits, diverted ambulances and even unnecessary patient deaths. Sadly, the state of California now ranks dead last out of all 50 states in the number of emergency rooms per million people.

It was estimated that there were approximately 7.7 million illegal aliens employed by U.S. employers during 2008. How much better would our economy look if all of those jobs were being filled by American workers?

A substantial percentage of young illegal immigrants end up in gangs. U.S. authorities say that there are now over 1 million members of criminal gangs operating inside the United States. According to federal statistics, these 1 million gang members are responsible for up to 80% of the violent crimes committed in the U.S. each year. Latino gangs made up primarily of illegal aliens are responsible for much of this violence.

Each year, it costs the states billions of dollars to incarcerate illegal immigrant criminals that should have never been allowed into the country in the first place. It is estimated that illegal aliens make up approximately 30 percent of the population in federal, state and local prisons and that the total cost of incarcerating them is more than $1.6 billion annually.

Just some facts I found on the internet....none of which seem positive.

Don't mix quotes. Myths? The first quote was from Reuters....the other one's were footnoted as well. You want to believe what big business pushes....as it benefits big business. Illegal immigration costs taxpayers. Period. That is NOT a positive.

And by the way....you haven't provided me any information that those jobs were unfilled that you claim no one wants. Fact is....illegal immigration has decreased wages for the unskilled by 9%. And put many Americans in poverty.

So people at a criminal rally got arrested?

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I mixed quotes because I think it's easier that way to respond to each of your statements separately. And how does it cost the taxpayer money if the amount of taxes paid by them is more than the amount of money that is spend on them?

And I have provided info for that claim, you can see it if you scroll up a bit. And the evidence (and here) suggests that the negative wage pressures on unskilled labor, to the extent they have international origins at all (as opposed to TGS or automation or political factors), come more from outsourcing and trade than from immigration. So if you limit low-skilled immigration, outsourcing likely will go up, as it would be harder to find cheap labor in the United States. The United States will lose the complementary jobs as well, such as the truck driver who brings cafeteria snacks to the call center. Conversely, if you increase low-skilled immigration, you will also get more investment in the United States and more complementary jobs as well and possibly some increasing returns from clustering and maybe more net tax revenue too.

Mixing quotes make them harder to continue a discussion. And I don't know what you are on about with those links but neither one of them addresses what I asked you. In fact they talk about some paper done on other topics. Quality ladders? Neither is the actual paper by the way....

You continue to buy into what big business wants you to believe. As I stated...before business found out illegals would come in and do jobs for much less money and thus sacked the legal citizens....those jobs WERE filled. You are aware that there are unskilled Americans that do that work....aren't you? No a college professor or doctor does not want to wash dishes in a restaurant. However, a man with a family to feed and no skills will do so. They aren't given that option anymore since illegals aren't entitled to minimum wage or above, benefits, and employer contributions.

Ok, I will refrain from doing that in the future.

And the links I posted just now weren't about your question, the articles I posted before that, however, were. And those are the articles I was referring to.

Look, what I'm saying is that the wage for the unskilled dropped because of outsourcing and trade, not because of immigrants.

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2013/05/do-low-wages-for-unskilled-workers-weaken-the-case-for-more-immigration.html

This is the article I used.

Illegal Aliens Caught Working on Atlanta Area Courthouse.

This shows that illegal immigrants are taking jobs that US citizens will take in the construction field and brick layers is a skilled trade and does pay well. Again deeliman, you being from The Netherlands, shows that you do not know what you are talking about. I will not presume to tell of how workers in your country are paid (still, after talking with the bartender at The Golden Tulip Westuin while I stayed there I did learn a few things). The Chinese that came to make repairs to the product sent from China to The Netherlands had their passports pulled and were kept in a customs area and not allowed to visit anywhere while in country, all they could do was go weld on those monopiles. Not very friendly if you ask me.

There are also other cases of illegal immigrants being used on other county jobs where I live, including building a school.

I phrased that a bit wrong. It should be that legal immigrants have to jump through hoops to come to the US and that we should not make it easier for illegal immigrants to stay here or become US citizens just because they have been residing in our nation for some time.

I am also not embarrassed.

@deeliman: Okay well you used someone's opinion. Which isn't necessarily accurate. The 9% figure I gave you came from illegal immigration as the cause. Not outsourcing.

Some things to consider....a job given to an illegal immigrant is a job an American does not have. Business is for profit. Finding out they can get away with barely paying an illegal immigrant means they do just that. It's more profit for them.

Money is more often than not sent back home to the family meaning it's not circulating in the US to help the economy. A detriment.

Illegals cost taxpayers for social services, education, and medical.

How did you misread the part you quoted those few times. Especially the time when you quoted it as proof that the other guy didn't read it closely

We could pretend that deporting a substantial portion of the U.S. labor force won't be economically detrimental or costly to do in and of itself, but that would be absurd and, fortunately, it will never happen. We could also pretend that we are doing ourselves any favors by refusing to document and tax illegals already here, but again, that would be stupid. Millions of people have immigrated here against the rules. A negligible portion of them will ever be deported. Ultimately, for most of them, this is not a problem unless we make it one. Consequently, we should come come to grips with the facts and essentially do the amnesty thing.

Because you totally knew that happened because you're American, not because you google searched it, right? And really? A random bartender is not really a reliable source of info. And what exactly does that story have to do with anything?

@LJS9502_basic:

Can you give a source for that figure? It's not that I don't believe you, I'd just like to see it.

And you have a point there. But I think the amount of money that leaves the US economy isn't as high as some people make it out to be.

I don't get why they were arrest.

There's no such thing as a "Criminal rally" even if you're illegal the U.S constitution applies to you on U.S soil.

The congressmen felt the need to sit on the road, which is a safety hazard and refused to step onto the side walk which resulted in their arrests.

Simply crowding in large groups shouting is not illegal.

Not only should those politicians have been arrested but any illegal alien at that rally should be arrested and deported. Only in America can people who don't even belong here march through our streets and tell us what we should be doing.

I have a message for all illegal immigrants: If you fine folks would assimilate instead of trying to turn the US into a little slice of Mexico no one would have a problem and you all would have had your citizenship years ago. Become an American instead of being a Mexican living in the US and people will begin to hear your plight. Until then expect more of the same. You're also ruining it for people from other nations not located on an American continent who are here illegally as well.

Thank you.

I live in Cobb County, not far from where the courthouse is being built (and not far from the square that was closed for filming of Dumb and Dumber To). I do not need to Google stories when I hear it on the local news that I watch.

As far as the bartender, after speaking with him for the three months that I spent in The Netherlands, I know enough about the area as well as other practices. As far as the Chinese, it wasn't hard to see how the Dutch treated them, especially as those who ran the project talked about how they were being treated. Seeing them get on and off the buses that took them to and from the man camp that they had to stay at spoke volumes. I doubt you have spent any time in the US whatsoever. Maybe one day you will get to, but I still see that as a few more years down the road.

I still fail to see the relevancy of that story about the Chinese. What's the point you're trying to make?

That it is not only the US that has strict rules on those who enter their country and actually, treat them worse than the US does. Apparently, the queen at that time did not want a bunch of communists running around Zeeland who possibly may defect.

@WhiteKnight77: I have never said that those things only happen in the US, and I think pretty much everyone here knows that.

lol nothing but a show

I'd cheer too if I saw Nancy Pelosi arrested.

People can legally work in the US without citizenship, so that 13 years is not as onerous as it sounds.

That's still 13 years they are actually present in the US and have the legal right to work while they wait for their chance to be naturalized. It's better than being deported and having to wait ten years just to apply for a visa from outside of the country.