Crimean parliament asks to join Russia

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#51 Posted by airshocker (30712 posts) -
@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

You can't honestly believe this...

How is it possible that 73% of Russians don't approve of Putin's actions yet the vast majority of Crimean will be voting yes in the upcoming referendum to join Russia?

Also given the size of the Russian population, and the size of the Ukrainian and more specifically the Crimean population, how would the fact that some Russians have relatives over there result in such a severe plummet of Putin's approval rate? And that's not taking into account the ideological and social composition of the Russian society because my guess is generally speaking and in best case scenario, the Russians would only be apathetic about the whole thing. My intuition however tells me that majority of Russians support this move, they see in it an expression of Putin's leadership and aspiration to take Russia to its former glory. Fear of war is pretty much irrelevant, the Ukraine is not stupid enough to go to war with Russia and I think it has become fairly obvious by now that neither the U.S nor the EU is willing to militarily intervene in the situation. Given all of that, I can't conceive the possibility that anything of what you said holds at all, its simply completely detached from reality.

And regarding the brainwashing part, it wouldn't be the first time that the U.S did such a thing. Basically, the uprisings that happened so far in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and the Ukraine bear hard to ignore resemblances to one another. Condoleezza Rice herself said it, at least in regard to redrawing the map of the Middle East: "Creative chaos". That phone call that has been leaked in February featuring two secretary of state top officials talking about the situation and their allies in the opposition, who to choose for what position, the shape of the new government...etc tells you something about this. Also the support the fascist brotherhood received from the Obama administration and from Jimmy Carter before the dreaded presidential elections of 2012 and the American reaction to the 30th, June revolution tell you more about this "creative chaos". Strangely enough, the U.S did not give two fucks about the fascist actions and violence of Muris' regime during the one year reign of the fascist brotherhood in Egypt. Obama himself was planning on receiving Mursi in the White House in April, 2013 I think but apparently he couldn't because Mursi and his regime were too "hot", you know, like they say "the LZ is hot".

Now to Putin's fear from being ousted. Not Gonna Happen, period. Not because he's superman, and certainly not because of his infallible leadership and the Utopia he built in Russia. Rather, it won't happen simply because Russia right now is better than it ever was, at least for the past 3 decades or so. Needless to say, things turned to shit towards the end of the Soviet era so the USSR was finally dissolved and Russians started to hope that things will get better. The irony was that they got worse. Yeltsin was too dumb to take Russia into prosperity. Basically he didn't know a thing about economics and neither did his regime. The state's property was being wasted through his ignorance of market economy and privatization. He prostituted himself to what is known as "the Russian Oligarchs", a group of brutal, ruthless, shady (to put it mildly) and megalomaniac businessmen who almost sucked Russia dry. In addition, Russia was not doing well in terms of security. The war with Chechnya was poorly managed, the communists were still unable to let go and were in constant hostility with Yeltsin and crime was on the rise.

Then Putin came along and greatly improved on much of that. He kicked out the Oligarchs and took back as much as possible of them before they either fled the country or were thrown in jail. Homogeneity of the political and social order was restored, at least to a great extend. The Russian economy has become an actual economy. Order was restored. In short Russia finally made the transition out of the Soviet era. Moreover, for the first time in a long while, Russia has a strong leader that is perceived as capable of reestablishing its former glory and national spirit, not to mention his "spiritual" and charismatic persona that he boasts rather extravagantly and lavishly, and how it resonates with the Russian society and some parts of the world. So I feel inclined to doubt that Putin would fear for himself because of what happened in the Ukraine.

Where has the US ever attempted brainwashing...? I don't think you understand what the word truly means.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised: "Derp, I hate America, derp."

I was referring to the contents of the said brainwashing genius. I honestly can't see how someone would unintentionally miss that given the explanation that followed. But I guess you would do anything to undermine and discredit me.


You've already discredited yourself. Much more than I could have done. Me not reading the previous post you responded to doesn't change that aspect of things.

#52 Posted by GazaAli (23524 posts) -

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

You can't honestly believe this...

How is it possible that 73% of Russians don't approve of Putin's actions yet the vast majority of Crimean will be voting yes in the upcoming referendum to join Russia?

Also given the size of the Russian population, and the size of the Ukrainian and more specifically the Crimean population, how would the fact that some Russians have relatives over there result in such a severe plummet of Putin's approval rate? And that's not taking into account the ideological and social composition of the Russian society because my guess is generally speaking and in best case scenario, the Russians would only be apathetic about the whole thing. My intuition however tells me that majority of Russians support this move, they see in it an expression of Putin's leadership and aspiration to take Russia to its former glory. Fear of war is pretty much irrelevant, the Ukraine is not stupid enough to go to war with Russia and I think it has become fairly obvious by now that neither the U.S nor the EU is willing to militarily intervene in the situation. Given all of that, I can't conceive the possibility that anything of what you said holds at all, its simply completely detached from reality.

And regarding the brainwashing part, it wouldn't be the first time that the U.S did such a thing. Basically, the uprisings that happened so far in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and the Ukraine bear hard to ignore resemblances to one another. Condoleezza Rice herself said it, at least in regard to redrawing the map of the Middle East: "Creative chaos". That phone call that has been leaked in February featuring two secretary of state top officials talking about the situation and their allies in the opposition, who to choose for what position, the shape of the new government...etc tells you something about this. Also the support the fascist brotherhood received from the Obama administration and from Jimmy Carter before the dreaded presidential elections of 2012 and the American reaction to the 30th, June revolution tell you more about this "creative chaos". Strangely enough, the U.S did not give two fucks about the fascist actions and violence of Muris' regime during the one year reign of the fascist brotherhood in Egypt. Obama himself was planning on receiving Mursi in the White House in April, 2013 I think but apparently he couldn't because Mursi and his regime were too "hot", you know, like they say "the LZ is hot".

Now to Putin's fear from being ousted. Not Gonna Happen, period. Not because he's superman, and certainly not because of his infallible leadership and the Utopia he built in Russia. Rather, it won't happen simply because Russia right now is better than it ever was, at least for the past 3 decades or so. Needless to say, things turned to shit towards the end of the Soviet era so the USSR was finally dissolved and Russians started to hope that things will get better. The irony was that they got worse. Yeltsin was too dumb to take Russia into prosperity. Basically he didn't know a thing about economics and neither did his regime. The state's property was being wasted through his ignorance of market economy and privatization. He prostituted himself to what is known as "the Russian Oligarchs", a group of brutal, ruthless, shady (to put it mildly) and megalomaniac businessmen who almost sucked Russia dry. In addition, Russia was not doing well in terms of security. The war with Chechnya was poorly managed, the communists were still unable to let go and were in constant hostility with Yeltsin and crime was on the rise.

Then Putin came along and greatly improved on much of that. He kicked out the Oligarchs and took back as much as possible of them before they either fled the country or were thrown in jail. Homogeneity of the political and social order was restored, at least to a great extend. The Russian economy has become an actual economy. Order was restored. In short Russia finally made the transition out of the Soviet era. Moreover, for the first time in a long while, Russia has a strong leader that is perceived as capable of reestablishing its former glory and national spirit, not to mention his "spiritual" and charismatic persona that he boasts rather extravagantly and lavishly, and how it resonates with the Russian society and some parts of the world. So I feel inclined to doubt that Putin would fear for himself because of what happened in the Ukraine.

Where has the US ever attempted brainwashing...? I don't think you understand what the word truly means.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised: "Derp, I hate America, derp."

I was referring to the contents of the said brainwashing genius. I honestly can't see how someone would unintentionally miss that given the explanation that followed. But I guess you would do anything to undermine and discredit me.

You've already discredited yourself. Much more than I could have done. Me not reading the previous post you responded to doesn't change that aspect of things.

Regardless, it definitely says something about you that's for sure.

#53 Posted by airshocker (30712 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

You can't honestly believe this...

How is it possible that 73% of Russians don't approve of Putin's actions yet the vast majority of Crimean will be voting yes in the upcoming referendum to join Russia?

Also given the size of the Russian population, and the size of the Ukrainian and more specifically the Crimean population, how would the fact that some Russians have relatives over there result in such a severe plummet of Putin's approval rate? And that's not taking into account the ideological and social composition of the Russian society because my guess is generally speaking and in best case scenario, the Russians would only be apathetic about the whole thing. My intuition however tells me that majority of Russians support this move, they see in it an expression of Putin's leadership and aspiration to take Russia to its former glory. Fear of war is pretty much irrelevant, the Ukraine is not stupid enough to go to war with Russia and I think it has become fairly obvious by now that neither the U.S nor the EU is willing to militarily intervene in the situation. Given all of that, I can't conceive the possibility that anything of what you said holds at all, its simply completely detached from reality.

And regarding the brainwashing part, it wouldn't be the first time that the U.S did such a thing. Basically, the uprisings that happened so far in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and the Ukraine bear hard to ignore resemblances to one another. Condoleezza Rice herself said it, at least in regard to redrawing the map of the Middle East: "Creative chaos". That phone call that has been leaked in February featuring two secretary of state top officials talking about the situation and their allies in the opposition, who to choose for what position, the shape of the new government...etc tells you something about this. Also the support the fascist brotherhood received from the Obama administration and from Jimmy Carter before the dreaded presidential elections of 2012 and the American reaction to the 30th, June revolution tell you more about this "creative chaos". Strangely enough, the U.S did not give two fucks about the fascist actions and violence of Muris' regime during the one year reign of the fascist brotherhood in Egypt. Obama himself was planning on receiving Mursi in the White House in April, 2013 I think but apparently he couldn't because Mursi and his regime were too "hot", you know, like they say "the LZ is hot".

Now to Putin's fear from being ousted. Not Gonna Happen, period. Not because he's superman, and certainly not because of his infallible leadership and the Utopia he built in Russia. Rather, it won't happen simply because Russia right now is better than it ever was, at least for the past 3 decades or so. Needless to say, things turned to shit towards the end of the Soviet era so the USSR was finally dissolved and Russians started to hope that things will get better. The irony was that they got worse. Yeltsin was too dumb to take Russia into prosperity. Basically he didn't know a thing about economics and neither did his regime. The state's property was being wasted through his ignorance of market economy and privatization. He prostituted himself to what is known as "the Russian Oligarchs", a group of brutal, ruthless, shady (to put it mildly) and megalomaniac businessmen who almost sucked Russia dry. In addition, Russia was not doing well in terms of security. The war with Chechnya was poorly managed, the communists were still unable to let go and were in constant hostility with Yeltsin and crime was on the rise.

Then Putin came along and greatly improved on much of that. He kicked out the Oligarchs and took back as much as possible of them before they either fled the country or were thrown in jail. Homogeneity of the political and social order was restored, at least to a great extend. The Russian economy has become an actual economy. Order was restored. In short Russia finally made the transition out of the Soviet era. Moreover, for the first time in a long while, Russia has a strong leader that is perceived as capable of reestablishing its former glory and national spirit, not to mention his "spiritual" and charismatic persona that he boasts rather extravagantly and lavishly, and how it resonates with the Russian society and some parts of the world. So I feel inclined to doubt that Putin would fear for himself because of what happened in the Ukraine.

Where has the US ever attempted brainwashing...? I don't think you understand what the word truly means.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised: "Derp, I hate America, derp."

I was referring to the contents of the said brainwashing genius. I honestly can't see how someone would unintentionally miss that given the explanation that followed. But I guess you would do anything to undermine and discredit me.

You've already discredited yourself. Much more than I could have done. Me not reading the previous post you responded to doesn't change that aspect of things.

Regardless, it definitely says something about you that's for sure.

Yeah...it says I didn't read the previous post you responded to...

#54 Posted by GazaAli (23524 posts) -

@airshocker said:

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

You can't honestly believe this...

How is it possible that 73% of Russians don't approve of Putin's actions yet the vast majority of Crimean will be voting yes in the upcoming referendum to join Russia?

Also given the size of the Russian population, and the size of the Ukrainian and more specifically the Crimean population, how would the fact that some Russians have relatives over there result in such a severe plummet of Putin's approval rate? And that's not taking into account the ideological and social composition of the Russian society because my guess is generally speaking and in best case scenario, the Russians would only be apathetic about the whole thing. My intuition however tells me that majority of Russians support this move, they see in it an expression of Putin's leadership and aspiration to take Russia to its former glory. Fear of war is pretty much irrelevant, the Ukraine is not stupid enough to go to war with Russia and I think it has become fairly obvious by now that neither the U.S nor the EU is willing to militarily intervene in the situation. Given all of that, I can't conceive the possibility that anything of what you said holds at all, its simply completely detached from reality.

And regarding the brainwashing part, it wouldn't be the first time that the U.S did such a thing. Basically, the uprisings that happened so far in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and the Ukraine bear hard to ignore resemblances to one another. Condoleezza Rice herself said it, at least in regard to redrawing the map of the Middle East: "Creative chaos". That phone call that has been leaked in February featuring two secretary of state top officials talking about the situation and their allies in the opposition, who to choose for what position, the shape of the new government...etc tells you something about this. Also the support the fascist brotherhood received from the Obama administration and from Jimmy Carter before the dreaded presidential elections of 2012 and the American reaction to the 30th, June revolution tell you more about this "creative chaos". Strangely enough, the U.S did not give two fucks about the fascist actions and violence of Muris' regime during the one year reign of the fascist brotherhood in Egypt. Obama himself was planning on receiving Mursi in the White House in April, 2013 I think but apparently he couldn't because Mursi and his regime were too "hot", you know, like they say "the LZ is hot".

Now to Putin's fear from being ousted. Not Gonna Happen, period. Not because he's superman, and certainly not because of his infallible leadership and the Utopia he built in Russia. Rather, it won't happen simply because Russia right now is better than it ever was, at least for the past 3 decades or so. Needless to say, things turned to shit towards the end of the Soviet era so the USSR was finally dissolved and Russians started to hope that things will get better. The irony was that they got worse. Yeltsin was too dumb to take Russia into prosperity. Basically he didn't know a thing about economics and neither did his regime. The state's property was being wasted through his ignorance of market economy and privatization. He prostituted himself to what is known as "the Russian Oligarchs", a group of brutal, ruthless, shady (to put it mildly) and megalomaniac businessmen who almost sucked Russia dry. In addition, Russia was not doing well in terms of security. The war with Chechnya was poorly managed, the communists were still unable to let go and were in constant hostility with Yeltsin and crime was on the rise.

Then Putin came along and greatly improved on much of that. He kicked out the Oligarchs and took back as much as possible of them before they either fled the country or were thrown in jail. Homogeneity of the political and social order was restored, at least to a great extend. The Russian economy has become an actual economy. Order was restored. In short Russia finally made the transition out of the Soviet era. Moreover, for the first time in a long while, Russia has a strong leader that is perceived as capable of reestablishing its former glory and national spirit, not to mention his "spiritual" and charismatic persona that he boasts rather extravagantly and lavishly, and how it resonates with the Russian society and some parts of the world. So I feel inclined to doubt that Putin would fear for himself because of what happened in the Ukraine.

Where has the US ever attempted brainwashing...? I don't think you understand what the word truly means.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised: "Derp, I hate America, derp."

I was referring to the contents of the said brainwashing genius. I honestly can't see how someone would unintentionally miss that given the explanation that followed. But I guess you would do anything to undermine and discredit me.

You've already discredited yourself. Much more than I could have done. Me not reading the previous post you responded to doesn't change that aspect of things.

Regardless, it definitely says something about you that's for sure.

Yeah...it says I didn't read the previous post you responded to...

And went on to comment on something you have no knowledge of, and in a rather insolent way too.

#55 Posted by Chaos_HL21 (5287 posts) -

More news on journalists being attacked in Crimea, and the international observers are still not being let in.

#56 Posted by airshocker (30712 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

You can't honestly believe this...

How is it possible that 73% of Russians don't approve of Putin's actions yet the vast majority of Crimean will be voting yes in the upcoming referendum to join Russia?

Also given the size of the Russian population, and the size of the Ukrainian and more specifically the Crimean population, how would the fact that some Russians have relatives over there result in such a severe plummet of Putin's approval rate? And that's not taking into account the ideological and social composition of the Russian society because my guess is generally speaking and in best case scenario, the Russians would only be apathetic about the whole thing. My intuition however tells me that majority of Russians support this move, they see in it an expression of Putin's leadership and aspiration to take Russia to its former glory. Fear of war is pretty much irrelevant, the Ukraine is not stupid enough to go to war with Russia and I think it has become fairly obvious by now that neither the U.S nor the EU is willing to militarily intervene in the situation. Given all of that, I can't conceive the possibility that anything of what you said holds at all, its simply completely detached from reality.

And regarding the brainwashing part, it wouldn't be the first time that the U.S did such a thing. Basically, the uprisings that happened so far in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and the Ukraine bear hard to ignore resemblances to one another. Condoleezza Rice herself said it, at least in regard to redrawing the map of the Middle East: "Creative chaos". That phone call that has been leaked in February featuring two secretary of state top officials talking about the situation and their allies in the opposition, who to choose for what position, the shape of the new government...etc tells you something about this. Also the support the fascist brotherhood received from the Obama administration and from Jimmy Carter before the dreaded presidential elections of 2012 and the American reaction to the 30th, June revolution tell you more about this "creative chaos". Strangely enough, the U.S did not give two fucks about the fascist actions and violence of Muris' regime during the one year reign of the fascist brotherhood in Egypt. Obama himself was planning on receiving Mursi in the White House in April, 2013 I think but apparently he couldn't because Mursi and his regime were too "hot", you know, like they say "the LZ is hot".

Now to Putin's fear from being ousted. Not Gonna Happen, period. Not because he's superman, and certainly not because of his infallible leadership and the Utopia he built in Russia. Rather, it won't happen simply because Russia right now is better than it ever was, at least for the past 3 decades or so. Needless to say, things turned to shit towards the end of the Soviet era so the USSR was finally dissolved and Russians started to hope that things will get better. The irony was that they got worse. Yeltsin was too dumb to take Russia into prosperity. Basically he didn't know a thing about economics and neither did his regime. The state's property was being wasted through his ignorance of market economy and privatization. He prostituted himself to what is known as "the Russian Oligarchs", a group of brutal, ruthless, shady (to put it mildly) and megalomaniac businessmen who almost sucked Russia dry. In addition, Russia was not doing well in terms of security. The war with Chechnya was poorly managed, the communists were still unable to let go and were in constant hostility with Yeltsin and crime was on the rise.

Then Putin came along and greatly improved on much of that. He kicked out the Oligarchs and took back as much as possible of them before they either fled the country or were thrown in jail. Homogeneity of the political and social order was restored, at least to a great extend. The Russian economy has become an actual economy. Order was restored. In short Russia finally made the transition out of the Soviet era. Moreover, for the first time in a long while, Russia has a strong leader that is perceived as capable of reestablishing its former glory and national spirit, not to mention his "spiritual" and charismatic persona that he boasts rather extravagantly and lavishly, and how it resonates with the Russian society and some parts of the world. So I feel inclined to doubt that Putin would fear for himself because of what happened in the Ukraine.

Where has the US ever attempted brainwashing...? I don't think you understand what the word truly means.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised: "Derp, I hate America, derp."

I was referring to the contents of the said brainwashing genius. I honestly can't see how someone would unintentionally miss that given the explanation that followed. But I guess you would do anything to undermine and discredit me.

You've already discredited yourself. Much more than I could have done. Me not reading the previous post you responded to doesn't change that aspect of things.

Regardless, it definitely says something about you that's for sure.

Yeah...it says I didn't read the previous post you responded to...

And went on to comment on something you have no knowledge of, and in a rather insolent way too.

I can deal with making a mistake. I'm human, after all.

That's not going to stop me from commenting on anything else you say. You'll have no such respite.

If you're looking for an apology you won't get one. Maybe once you stop with this anti-american kick you're on we can be cordial. I swear, you're almost as bad as kuraimen.

#57 Posted by Newhopes (4654 posts) -

I really think most Americans don't have a clue what their government has done and why half the world hates them, probably don't even know about cock ups as recent as the Egypt and Syria diabolicals.

#58 Edited by vfibsux (4226 posts) -

@Newhopes said:

I really think most Americans don't have a clue what their government has done and why half the world hates them, probably don't even know about cock ups as recent as the Egypt and Syria diabolicals.

Getting to the point where I really don't care. No matter what we do in the eyes of people like you it will never be right. For every deed simpletons like you question we do 1000 more that are good deeds and go unnoticed. I doubt you can even stomach acknowledging one good thing the U.S. has done. Really makes me want us to stop spending ANY money in the world to try and make it a better place for anyone but Americans. Nothing but ungrateful shits out there.

#59 Posted by Newhopes (4654 posts) -

@vfibsux said:

@Newhopes said:

I really think most Americans don't have a clue what their government has done and why half the world hates them, probably don't even know about cock ups as recent as the Egypt and Syria diabolicals.

Getting to the point where I really don't care. No matter what we do in the eyes of people like you it will never be right. For every deed simpletons like you question we do 1000 more that are good deeds and go unnoticed. I doubt you can even stomach acknowledging one good thing the U.S. has done. Really makes me want us to stop spending ANY money in the world to try and make it a better place for anyone but Americans. Nothing but ungrateful shits out there.

What the US tampers with things this tends to happen.

Hell even Russia kicked USAID out after they tried to tamper with the 2012 elections.

#61 Posted by Master_Live (15402 posts) -

Don't jump the shark vfibsux.

#62 Posted by vfibsux (4226 posts) -
@Master_Live said:

Don't jump the shark vfibsux.

Alright alright lol. You are right, of course.

"This is our land," Arseniy Yatsenyuk told a crowd gathered at the Kiev statue to writer and nationalist Taras Shevchenko. "Our fathers and grandfathers have spilled their blood for this land. And we won't budge a single centimeter from Ukrainian land. Let Russia and its president know this."

Strong rhetoric coming out of Ukraine.....tough talk or does he mean it?

#63 Posted by Newhopes (4654 posts) -

This is the problem.

Thats the Votes the pro EU party who came 2nd got last election.

Thats the Votes the Pro Russian party who came frist got.

#64 Posted by GazaAli (23524 posts) -

@airshocker said:

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

You can't honestly believe this...

How is it possible that 73% of Russians don't approve of Putin's actions yet the vast majority of Crimean will be voting yes in the upcoming referendum to join Russia?

Also given the size of the Russian population, and the size of the Ukrainian and more specifically the Crimean population, how would the fact that some Russians have relatives over there result in such a severe plummet of Putin's approval rate? And that's not taking into account the ideological and social composition of the Russian society because my guess is generally speaking and in best case scenario, the Russians would only be apathetic about the whole thing. My intuition however tells me that majority of Russians support this move, they see in it an expression of Putin's leadership and aspiration to take Russia to its former glory. Fear of war is pretty much irrelevant, the Ukraine is not stupid enough to go to war with Russia and I think it has become fairly obvious by now that neither the U.S nor the EU is willing to militarily intervene in the situation. Given all of that, I can't conceive the possibility that anything of what you said holds at all, its simply completely detached from reality.

And regarding the brainwashing part, it wouldn't be the first time that the U.S did such a thing. Basically, the uprisings that happened so far in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and the Ukraine bear hard to ignore resemblances to one another. Condoleezza Rice herself said it, at least in regard to redrawing the map of the Middle East: "Creative chaos". That phone call that has been leaked in February featuring two secretary of state top officials talking about the situation and their allies in the opposition, who to choose for what position, the shape of the new government...etc tells you something about this. Also the support the fascist brotherhood received from the Obama administration and from Jimmy Carter before the dreaded presidential elections of 2012 and the American reaction to the 30th, June revolution tell you more about this "creative chaos". Strangely enough, the U.S did not give two fucks about the fascist actions and violence of Muris' regime during the one year reign of the fascist brotherhood in Egypt. Obama himself was planning on receiving Mursi in the White House in April, 2013 I think but apparently he couldn't because Mursi and his regime were too "hot", you know, like they say "the LZ is hot".

Now to Putin's fear from being ousted. Not Gonna Happen, period. Not because he's superman, and certainly not because of his infallible leadership and the Utopia he built in Russia. Rather, it won't happen simply because Russia right now is better than it ever was, at least for the past 3 decades or so. Needless to say, things turned to shit towards the end of the Soviet era so the USSR was finally dissolved and Russians started to hope that things will get better. The irony was that they got worse. Yeltsin was too dumb to take Russia into prosperity. Basically he didn't know a thing about economics and neither did his regime. The state's property was being wasted through his ignorance of market economy and privatization. He prostituted himself to what is known as "the Russian Oligarchs", a group of brutal, ruthless, shady (to put it mildly) and megalomaniac businessmen who almost sucked Russia dry. In addition, Russia was not doing well in terms of security. The war with Chechnya was poorly managed, the communists were still unable to let go and were in constant hostility with Yeltsin and crime was on the rise.

Then Putin came along and greatly improved on much of that. He kicked out the Oligarchs and took back as much as possible of them before they either fled the country or were thrown in jail. Homogeneity of the political and social order was restored, at least to a great extend. The Russian economy has become an actual economy. Order was restored. In short Russia finally made the transition out of the Soviet era. Moreover, for the first time in a long while, Russia has a strong leader that is perceived as capable of reestablishing its former glory and national spirit, not to mention his "spiritual" and charismatic persona that he boasts rather extravagantly and lavishly, and how it resonates with the Russian society and some parts of the world. So I feel inclined to doubt that Putin would fear for himself because of what happened in the Ukraine.

Where has the US ever attempted brainwashing...? I don't think you understand what the word truly means.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised: "Derp, I hate America, derp."

I was referring to the contents of the said brainwashing genius. I honestly can't see how someone would unintentionally miss that given the explanation that followed. But I guess you would do anything to undermine and discredit me.

You've already discredited yourself. Much more than I could have done. Me not reading the previous post you responded to doesn't change that aspect of things.

Regardless, it definitely says something about you that's for sure.

Yeah...it says I didn't read the previous post you responded to...

And went on to comment on something you have no knowledge of, and in a rather insolent way too.

I can deal with making a mistake. I'm human, after all.

That's not going to stop me from commenting on anything else you say. You'll have no such respite.

If you're looking for an apology you won't get one. Maybe once you stop with this anti-american kick you're on we can be cordial. I swear, you're almost as bad as kuraimen.

The thing is, you rarely if ever comment on anything I actually say, you're constantly throwing insults which I find it to be worthy of nothing but contempt and pity. I never asked for an apology, its not like it would have added anything of value to me. If an apology was warranted then it would have taken a virtuous man to make it and therefore it would have added value to you. Nevertheless I find it peculiar that you said "I can deal with making a mistake. I'm human, after all." then followed it with "If you're looking for an apology you won't get one."

And by all means don't stop, I'm starting to see you rather amusing. This is not the first time that we disagree on something, but previous disagreements did not reveal what you've been grotesquely demonstrating in this topic. Joining forces with vfibsux really hurts how others perceive you, its not good for you. I'm not sure what triggered this, but yea I'm really disappointed with your intellect.
Just curious, why can't we be cordial unless I stop my "anti-America kick"? For instance I get really well with OT's "Jew crew", namely themajormayor, Darkman and pie-junior even though there exists a historical, existential, ideological and possibly unprecedented divide between us, a divide that profoundly defined my entire life up to this point and the lives of millions over the course of the past 67 years or so. Actually I like them quite a lot despite the fact that on some occasions things got a little nasty. So I ask you, why the butthurt?

#65 Edited by vfibsux (4226 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

You can't honestly believe this...

How is it possible that 73% of Russians don't approve of Putin's actions yet the vast majority of Crimean will be voting yes in the upcoming referendum to join Russia?

Also given the size of the Russian population, and the size of the Ukrainian and more specifically the Crimean population, how would the fact that some Russians have relatives over there result in such a severe plummet of Putin's approval rate? And that's not taking into account the ideological and social composition of the Russian society because my guess is generally speaking and in best case scenario, the Russians would only be apathetic about the whole thing. My intuition however tells me that majority of Russians support this move, they see in it an expression of Putin's leadership and aspiration to take Russia to its former glory. Fear of war is pretty much irrelevant, the Ukraine is not stupid enough to go to war with Russia and I think it has become fairly obvious by now that neither the U.S nor the EU is willing to militarily intervene in the situation. Given all of that, I can't conceive the possibility that anything of what you said holds at all, its simply completely detached from reality.

And regarding the brainwashing part, it wouldn't be the first time that the U.S did such a thing. Basically, the uprisings that happened so far in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and the Ukraine bear hard to ignore resemblances to one another. Condoleezza Rice herself said it, at least in regard to redrawing the map of the Middle East: "Creative chaos". That phone call that has been leaked in February featuring two secretary of state top officials talking about the situation and their allies in the opposition, who to choose for what position, the shape of the new government...etc tells you something about this. Also the support the fascist brotherhood received from the Obama administration and from Jimmy Carter before the dreaded presidential elections of 2012 and the American reaction to the 30th, June revolution tell you more about this "creative chaos". Strangely enough, the U.S did not give two fucks about the fascist actions and violence of Muris' regime during the one year reign of the fascist brotherhood in Egypt. Obama himself was planning on receiving Mursi in the White House in April, 2013 I think but apparently he couldn't because Mursi and his regime were too "hot", you know, like they say "the LZ is hot".

Now to Putin's fear from being ousted. Not Gonna Happen, period. Not because he's superman, and certainly not because of his infallible leadership and the Utopia he built in Russia. Rather, it won't happen simply because Russia right now is better than it ever was, at least for the past 3 decades or so. Needless to say, things turned to shit towards the end of the Soviet era so the USSR was finally dissolved and Russians started to hope that things will get better. The irony was that they got worse. Yeltsin was too dumb to take Russia into prosperity. Basically he didn't know a thing about economics and neither did his regime. The state's property was being wasted through his ignorance of market economy and privatization. He prostituted himself to what is known as "the Russian Oligarchs", a group of brutal, ruthless, shady (to put it mildly) and megalomaniac businessmen who almost sucked Russia dry. In addition, Russia was not doing well in terms of security. The war with Chechnya was poorly managed, the communists were still unable to let go and were in constant hostility with Yeltsin and crime was on the rise.

Then Putin came along and greatly improved on much of that. He kicked out the Oligarchs and took back as much as possible of them before they either fled the country or were thrown in jail. Homogeneity of the political and social order was restored, at least to a great extend. The Russian economy has become an actual economy. Order was restored. In short Russia finally made the transition out of the Soviet era. Moreover, for the first time in a long while, Russia has a strong leader that is perceived as capable of reestablishing its former glory and national spirit, not to mention his "spiritual" and charismatic persona that he boasts rather extravagantly and lavishly, and how it resonates with the Russian society and some parts of the world. So I feel inclined to doubt that Putin would fear for himself because of what happened in the Ukraine.

Where has the US ever attempted brainwashing...? I don't think you understand what the word truly means.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised: "Derp, I hate America, derp."

I was referring to the contents of the said brainwashing genius. I honestly can't see how someone would unintentionally miss that given the explanation that followed. But I guess you would do anything to undermine and discredit me.

You've already discredited yourself. Much more than I could have done. Me not reading the previous post you responded to doesn't change that aspect of things.

Regardless, it definitely says something about you that's for sure.

Yeah...it says I didn't read the previous post you responded to...

And went on to comment on something you have no knowledge of, and in a rather insolent way too.

I can deal with making a mistake. I'm human, after all.

That's not going to stop me from commenting on anything else you say. You'll have no such respite.

If you're looking for an apology you won't get one. Maybe once you stop with this anti-american kick you're on we can be cordial. I swear, you're almost as bad as kuraimen.

The thing is, you rarely if ever comment on anything I actually say, you're constantly throwing insults which I find it to be worthy of nothing but contempt and pity. I never asked for an apology, its not like it would have added anything of value to me. If an apology was warranted then it would have taken a virtuous man to make it and therefore it would have added value to you. Nevertheless I find it peculiar that you said "I can deal with making a mistake. I'm human, after all." then followed it with "If you're looking for an apology you won't get one."

And by all means don't stop, I'm starting to see you rather amusing. This is not the first time that we disagree on something, but previous disagreements did not reveal what you've been grotesquely demonstrating in this topic. Joining forces with vfibsux really hurts how others perceive you, its not good for you. I'm not sure what triggered this, but yea I'm really disappointed with your intellect.

Just curious, why can't we be cordial unless I stop my "anti-America kick"? For instance I get really well with OT's "Jew crew", namely themajormayor, Darkman and pie-junior even though there exists a historical, existential, ideological and possibly unprecedented divide between us, a divide that profoundly defined my entire life up to this point and the lives of millions over the course of the past 67 years or so. Actually I like them quite a lot despite the fact that on some occasions things got a little nasty. So I ask you, why the butthurt?

ROFL, typical. "Don't you want to think more like us? Right now you are with them, being with them is bad, it makes you look bad. We are superior, don't you want to be superior too?"

Joining forces with me hurts his reputation lol. You are disappointed with his intellect? Holy shit where do you come up with this condescending bullshit? Remember I said you come off as a pompous ass? I was wrong, you simply ARE one.

You see, airshocker is not my only ally, I have a couple hundred million other Americans on my side as well. The vocal minority here in this anti-American cesspool of a message board is nothing compared to the world of hurt you would find if you came in our country spewing the shit you do. The majority of us are proud Americans who will not stand to have people like you shit all over our country. Just because many here don't care to get into it with people like you don't mistake that for you being in some superior moral majority.

#66 Edited by GazaAli (23524 posts) -

@vfibsux said:

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

You can't honestly believe this...

How is it possible that 73% of Russians don't approve of Putin's actions yet the vast majority of Crimean will be voting yes in the upcoming referendum to join Russia?

Also given the size of the Russian population, and the size of the Ukrainian and more specifically the Crimean population, how would the fact that some Russians have relatives over there result in such a severe plummet of Putin's approval rate? And that's not taking into account the ideological and social composition of the Russian society because my guess is generally speaking and in best case scenario, the Russians would only be apathetic about the whole thing. My intuition however tells me that majority of Russians support this move, they see in it an expression of Putin's leadership and aspiration to take Russia to its former glory. Fear of war is pretty much irrelevant, the Ukraine is not stupid enough to go to war with Russia and I think it has become fairly obvious by now that neither the U.S nor the EU is willing to militarily intervene in the situation. Given all of that, I can't conceive the possibility that anything of what you said holds at all, its simply completely detached from reality.

And regarding the brainwashing part, it wouldn't be the first time that the U.S did such a thing. Basically, the uprisings that happened so far in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and the Ukraine bear hard to ignore resemblances to one another. Condoleezza Rice herself said it, at least in regard to redrawing the map of the Middle East: "Creative chaos". That phone call that has been leaked in February featuring two secretary of state top officials talking about the situation and their allies in the opposition, who to choose for what position, the shape of the new government...etc tells you something about this. Also the support the fascist brotherhood received from the Obama administration and from Jimmy Carter before the dreaded presidential elections of 2012 and the American reaction to the 30th, June revolution tell you more about this "creative chaos". Strangely enough, the U.S did not give two fucks about the fascist actions and violence of Muris' regime during the one year reign of the fascist brotherhood in Egypt. Obama himself was planning on receiving Mursi in the White House in April, 2013 I think but apparently he couldn't because Mursi and his regime were too "hot", you know, like they say "the LZ is hot".

Now to Putin's fear from being ousted. Not Gonna Happen, period. Not because he's superman, and certainly not because of his infallible leadership and the Utopia he built in Russia. Rather, it won't happen simply because Russia right now is better than it ever was, at least for the past 3 decades or so. Needless to say, things turned to shit towards the end of the Soviet era so the USSR was finally dissolved and Russians started to hope that things will get better. The irony was that they got worse. Yeltsin was too dumb to take Russia into prosperity. Basically he didn't know a thing about economics and neither did his regime. The state's property was being wasted through his ignorance of market economy and privatization. He prostituted himself to what is known as "the Russian Oligarchs", a group of brutal, ruthless, shady (to put it mildly) and megalomaniac businessmen who almost sucked Russia dry. In addition, Russia was not doing well in terms of security. The war with Chechnya was poorly managed, the communists were still unable to let go and were in constant hostility with Yeltsin and crime was on the rise.

Then Putin came along and greatly improved on much of that. He kicked out the Oligarchs and took back as much as possible of them before they either fled the country or were thrown in jail. Homogeneity of the political and social order was restored, at least to a great extend. The Russian economy has become an actual economy. Order was restored. In short Russia finally made the transition out of the Soviet era. Moreover, for the first time in a long while, Russia has a strong leader that is perceived as capable of reestablishing its former glory and national spirit, not to mention his "spiritual" and charismatic persona that he boasts rather extravagantly and lavishly, and how it resonates with the Russian society and some parts of the world. So I feel inclined to doubt that Putin would fear for himself because of what happened in the Ukraine.

Where has the US ever attempted brainwashing...? I don't think you understand what the word truly means.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised: "Derp, I hate America, derp."

I was referring to the contents of the said brainwashing genius. I honestly can't see how someone would unintentionally miss that given the explanation that followed. But I guess you would do anything to undermine and discredit me.

You've already discredited yourself. Much more than I could have done. Me not reading the previous post you responded to doesn't change that aspect of things.

Regardless, it definitely says something about you that's for sure.

Yeah...it says I didn't read the previous post you responded to...

And went on to comment on something you have no knowledge of, and in a rather insolent way too.

I can deal with making a mistake. I'm human, after all.

That's not going to stop me from commenting on anything else you say. You'll have no such respite.

If you're looking for an apology you won't get one. Maybe once you stop with this anti-american kick you're on we can be cordial. I swear, you're almost as bad as kuraimen.

The thing is, you rarely if ever comment on anything I actually say, you're constantly throwing insults which I find it to be worthy of nothing but contempt and pity. I never asked for an apology, its not like it would have added anything of value to me. If an apology was warranted then it would have taken a virtuous man to make it and therefore it would have added value to you. Nevertheless I find it peculiar that you said "I can deal with making a mistake. I'm human, after all." then followed it with "If you're looking for an apology you won't get one."

And by all means don't stop, I'm starting to see you rather amusing. This is not the first time that we disagree on something, but previous disagreements did not reveal what you've been grotesquely demonstrating in this topic. Joining forces with vfibsux really hurts how others perceive you, its not good for you. I'm not sure what triggered this, but yea I'm really disappointed with your intellect.

Just curious, why can't we be cordial unless I stop my "anti-America kick"? For instance I get really well with OT's "Jew crew", namely themajormayor, Darkman and pie-junior even though there exists a historical, existential, ideological and possibly unprecedented divide between us, a divide that profoundly defined my entire life up to this point and the lives of millions over the course of the past 67 years or so. Actually I like them quite a lot despite the fact that on some occasions things got a little nasty. So I ask you, why the butthurt?

ROFL, typical. "Don't you want to think more like us? Right now you are with them, being with them is bad, it makes you look bad. We are superior, don't you want to be superior too?"

Joining forces with me hurts his reputation lol. You are disappointed with his intellect? Holy shit where do you come up with this condescending bullshit? Remember I said you come off as a pompous ass? I was wrong, you simply ARE one.

You see, airshocker is not my only ally, I have a couple hundred million other Americans on my side as well. The vocal minority here in this anti-American cesspool of a message board is nothing compared to the world of hurt you would find if you came in our country spewing the shit you do. The majority of us are proud Americans who will not stand to have people like you shit all over our country. Just because many here don't care to get into it with people like you don't mistake that for you being in some superior moral majority.

I think by now its safe to establish the fact that you never made it out of the cold war era. The flag avatar is a nice touch too.

I would personally imagine that they are a lot of Americans who are at the very least disgruntled by how the country is being run and they would voice some pretty strong views on the economy, the foreign and security policies, education and a myriad of other political, economic and social issues of interest. If this is not the case, then stagnation, staleness and mental and moral degradation have already made their way to the conscious of the American state in which case it would be only a matter of time before the state withers away. Take your pick.

#67 Posted by lamprey263 (24964 posts) -

The Russian military stormed the Crimean Parliament and held members up at gunpoint to change the body, outside the view of the press and refusing members from having their cell phones. And in the Russian hold-up at gunpoint they elected to Prime minister a leader of a party that only made up 3% of Parliament's representative body, a member of the Russian Unity Party with decades tied to violent organized crime. Sounds like bullshit that was a move that was decided by a representative body.

And another thing, sure ethnic Russians make up a bulk of the Crimean population, but why do we automatically assume that necessitates they're behind a pro-Russian government. Russia is a corrupt country where over half their GDP comes from organized crime. I think it's crazy to assume that all Russians want to back a pro-Russian government. A poll conducted in December of Crimean citizens shows they don't want to join Russia or join an independent state.

#68 Posted by deeliman (3381 posts) -

@vfibsux: "The vocal minority here in this anti-American cesspool of a message board is nothing compared to the world of hurt you would find if you came in our country spewing the shit you do."

Wait, what? As a patriotic American, shouldn't you support people's right to free speech instead of threathening with violence?

#69 Edited by Chaos_HL21 (5287 posts) -

@lamprey263: Good points; however it will probably get ignored between the vfibsux/GazaAli 'love' fest.

One of the best sources of I found is from VICE news. They have some pretty good reporting inside Crimea.

#70 Posted by vfibsux (4226 posts) -

@deeliman said:

@vfibsux: "The vocal minority here in this anti-American cesspool of a message board is nothing compared to the world of hurt you would find if you came in our country spewing the shit you do."

Wait, what? As a patriotic American, shouldn't you support people's right to free speech instead of threathening with violence?

My constitution protects Americans, and I serve to protect it and don't need a lecture from you about it. And I did not threaten anyone with violence, it was a figure of speech.

#71 Edited by vfibsux (4226 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@vfibsux said:

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

You can't honestly believe this...

How is it possible that 73% of Russians don't approve of Putin's actions yet the vast majority of Crimean will be voting yes in the upcoming referendum to join Russia?

Also given the size of the Russian population, and the size of the Ukrainian and more specifically the Crimean population, how would the fact that some Russians have relatives over there result in such a severe plummet of Putin's approval rate? And that's not taking into account the ideological and social composition of the Russian society because my guess is generally speaking and in best case scenario, the Russians would only be apathetic about the whole thing. My intuition however tells me that majority of Russians support this move, they see in it an expression of Putin's leadership and aspiration to take Russia to its former glory. Fear of war is pretty much irrelevant, the Ukraine is not stupid enough to go to war with Russia and I think it has become fairly obvious by now that neither the U.S nor the EU is willing to militarily intervene in the situation. Given all of that, I can't conceive the possibility that anything of what you said holds at all, its simply completely detached from reality.

And regarding the brainwashing part, it wouldn't be the first time that the U.S did such a thing. Basically, the uprisings that happened so far in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and the Ukraine bear hard to ignore resemblances to one another. Condoleezza Rice herself said it, at least in regard to redrawing the map of the Middle East: "Creative chaos". That phone call that has been leaked in February featuring two secretary of state top officials talking about the situation and their allies in the opposition, who to choose for what position, the shape of the new government...etc tells you something about this. Also the support the fascist brotherhood received from the Obama administration and from Jimmy Carter before the dreaded presidential elections of 2012 and the American reaction to the 30th, June revolution tell you more about this "creative chaos". Strangely enough, the U.S did not give two fucks about the fascist actions and violence of Muris' regime during the one year reign of the fascist brotherhood in Egypt. Obama himself was planning on receiving Mursi in the White House in April, 2013 I think but apparently he couldn't because Mursi and his regime were too "hot", you know, like they say "the LZ is hot".

Now to Putin's fear from being ousted. Not Gonna Happen, period. Not because he's superman, and certainly not because of his infallible leadership and the Utopia he built in Russia. Rather, it won't happen simply because Russia right now is better than it ever was, at least for the past 3 decades or so. Needless to say, things turned to shit towards the end of the Soviet era so the USSR was finally dissolved and Russians started to hope that things will get better. The irony was that they got worse. Yeltsin was too dumb to take Russia into prosperity. Basically he didn't know a thing about economics and neither did his regime. The state's property was being wasted through his ignorance of market economy and privatization. He prostituted himself to what is known as "the Russian Oligarchs", a group of brutal, ruthless, shady (to put it mildly) and megalomaniac businessmen who almost sucked Russia dry. In addition, Russia was not doing well in terms of security. The war with Chechnya was poorly managed, the communists were still unable to let go and were in constant hostility with Yeltsin and crime was on the rise.

Then Putin came along and greatly improved on much of that. He kicked out the Oligarchs and took back as much as possible of them before they either fled the country or were thrown in jail. Homogeneity of the political and social order was restored, at least to a great extend. The Russian economy has become an actual economy. Order was restored. In short Russia finally made the transition out of the Soviet era. Moreover, for the first time in a long while, Russia has a strong leader that is perceived as capable of reestablishing its former glory and national spirit, not to mention his "spiritual" and charismatic persona that he boasts rather extravagantly and lavishly, and how it resonates with the Russian society and some parts of the world. So I feel inclined to doubt that Putin would fear for himself because of what happened in the Ukraine.

Where has the US ever attempted brainwashing...? I don't think you understand what the word truly means.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised: "Derp, I hate America, derp."

I was referring to the contents of the said brainwashing genius. I honestly can't see how someone would unintentionally miss that given the explanation that followed. But I guess you would do anything to undermine and discredit me.

You've already discredited yourself. Much more than I could have done. Me not reading the previous post you responded to doesn't change that aspect of things.

Regardless, it definitely says something about you that's for sure.

Yeah...it says I didn't read the previous post you responded to...

And went on to comment on something you have no knowledge of, and in a rather insolent way too.

I can deal with making a mistake. I'm human, after all.

That's not going to stop me from commenting on anything else you say. You'll have no such respite.

If you're looking for an apology you won't get one. Maybe once you stop with this anti-american kick you're on we can be cordial. I swear, you're almost as bad as kuraimen.

The thing is, you rarely if ever comment on anything I actually say, you're constantly throwing insults which I find it to be worthy of nothing but contempt and pity. I never asked for an apology, its not like it would have added anything of value to me. If an apology was warranted then it would have taken a virtuous man to make it and therefore it would have added value to you. Nevertheless I find it peculiar that you said "I can deal with making a mistake. I'm human, after all." then followed it with "If you're looking for an apology you won't get one."

And by all means don't stop, I'm starting to see you rather amusing. This is not the first time that we disagree on something, but previous disagreements did not reveal what you've been grotesquely demonstrating in this topic. Joining forces with vfibsux really hurts how others perceive you, its not good for you. I'm not sure what triggered this, but yea I'm really disappointed with your intellect.

Just curious, why can't we be cordial unless I stop my "anti-America kick"? For instance I get really well with OT's "Jew crew", namely themajormayor, Darkman and pie-junior even though there exists a historical, existential, ideological and possibly unprecedented divide between us, a divide that profoundly defined my entire life up to this point and the lives of millions over the course of the past 67 years or so. Actually I like them quite a lot despite the fact that on some occasions things got a little nasty. So I ask you, why the butthurt?

ROFL, typical. "Don't you want to think more like us? Right now you are with them, being with them is bad, it makes you look bad. We are superior, don't you want to be superior too?"

Joining forces with me hurts his reputation lol. You are disappointed with his intellect? Holy shit where do you come up with this condescending bullshit? Remember I said you come off as a pompous ass? I was wrong, you simply ARE one.

You see, airshocker is not my only ally, I have a couple hundred million other Americans on my side as well. The vocal minority here in this anti-American cesspool of a message board is nothing compared to the world of hurt you would find if you came in our country spewing the shit you do. The majority of us are proud Americans who will not stand to have people like you shit all over our country. Just because many here don't care to get into it with people like you don't mistake that for you being in some superior moral majority.

I think by now its safe to establish the fact that you never made it out of the cold war era. The flag avatar is a nice touch too.

I would personally imagine that they are a lot of Americans who are at the very least disgruntled by how the country is being run and they would voice some pretty strong views on the economy, the foreign and security policies, education and a myriad of other political, economic and social issues of interest. If this is not the case, then stagnation, staleness and mental and moral degradation have already made their way to the conscious of the American state in which case it would be only a matter of time before the state withers away. Take your pick.

Damn straight we have plenty of Americans unhappy with how things are being run....I am one of them and have said as much a thousand times, you only refuse to acknowledge when I meet you halfway on that. The thing here is....these are AMERICAN issues and ours to have a problem with. What I will not stand for is some foreigner constantly shitting all over my country the way you and many others here do.

Oh and I love the flag comment.......I hope the mere site of red white and bluet bugs the hell out of you.

#72 Posted by deeliman (3381 posts) -

@vfibsux said:

@deeliman said:

@vfibsux: "The vocal minority here in this anti-American cesspool of a message board is nothing compared to the world of hurt you would find if you came in our country spewing the shit you do."

Wait, what? As a patriotic American, shouldn't you support people's right to free speech instead of threathening with violence?

My constitution protects Americans, and I serve to protect it and don't need a lecture from you about it. And I did not threaten anyone with violence, it was a figure of speech.

Everybody has the right to free speech in America, not just Americans. And your "figure of speech" implied that he would be beat up or otherwise attacked if he said that in America.

#73 Edited by GazaAli (23524 posts) -

@vfibsux said:

@GazaAli said:

@vfibsux said:

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:

@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

@airshocker said:
@GazaAli said:

You can't honestly believe this...

How is it possible that 73% of Russians don't approve of Putin's actions yet the vast majority of Crimean will be voting yes in the upcoming referendum to join Russia?

Also given the size of the Russian population, and the size of the Ukrainian and more specifically the Crimean population, how would the fact that some Russians have relatives over there result in such a severe plummet of Putin's approval rate? And that's not taking into account the ideological and social composition of the Russian society because my guess is generally speaking and in best case scenario, the Russians would only be apathetic about the whole thing. My intuition however tells me that majority of Russians support this move, they see in it an expression of Putin's leadership and aspiration to take Russia to its former glory. Fear of war is pretty much irrelevant, the Ukraine is not stupid enough to go to war with Russia and I think it has become fairly obvious by now that neither the U.S nor the EU is willing to militarily intervene in the situation. Given all of that, I can't conceive the possibility that anything of what you said holds at all, its simply completely detached from reality.

And regarding the brainwashing part, it wouldn't be the first time that the U.S did such a thing. Basically, the uprisings that happened so far in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and the Ukraine bear hard to ignore resemblances to one another. Condoleezza Rice herself said it, at least in regard to redrawing the map of the Middle East: "Creative chaos". That phone call that has been leaked in February featuring two secretary of state top officials talking about the situation and their allies in the opposition, who to choose for what position, the shape of the new government...etc tells you something about this. Also the support the fascist brotherhood received from the Obama administration and from Jimmy Carter before the dreaded presidential elections of 2012 and the American reaction to the 30th, June revolution tell you more about this "creative chaos". Strangely enough, the U.S did not give two fucks about the fascist actions and violence of Muris' regime during the one year reign of the fascist brotherhood in Egypt. Obama himself was planning on receiving Mursi in the White House in April, 2013 I think but apparently he couldn't because Mursi and his regime were too "hot", you know, like they say "the LZ is hot".

Now to Putin's fear from being ousted. Not Gonna Happen, period. Not because he's superman, and certainly not because of his infallible leadership and the Utopia he built in Russia. Rather, it won't happen simply because Russia right now is better than it ever was, at least for the past 3 decades or so. Needless to say, things turned to shit towards the end of the Soviet era so the USSR was finally dissolved and Russians started to hope that things will get better. The irony was that they got worse. Yeltsin was too dumb to take Russia into prosperity. Basically he didn't know a thing about economics and neither did his regime. The state's property was being wasted through his ignorance of market economy and privatization. He prostituted himself to what is known as "the Russian Oligarchs", a group of brutal, ruthless, shady (to put it mildly) and megalomaniac businessmen who almost sucked Russia dry. In addition, Russia was not doing well in terms of security. The war with Chechnya was poorly managed, the communists were still unable to let go and were in constant hostility with Yeltsin and crime was on the rise.

Then Putin came along and greatly improved on much of that. He kicked out the Oligarchs and took back as much as possible of them before they either fled the country or were thrown in jail. Homogeneity of the political and social order was restored, at least to a great extend. The Russian economy has become an actual economy. Order was restored. In short Russia finally made the transition out of the Soviet era. Moreover, for the first time in a long while, Russia has a strong leader that is perceived as capable of reestablishing its former glory and national spirit, not to mention his "spiritual" and charismatic persona that he boasts rather extravagantly and lavishly, and how it resonates with the Russian society and some parts of the world. So I feel inclined to doubt that Putin would fear for himself because of what happened in the Ukraine.

Where has the US ever attempted brainwashing...? I don't think you understand what the word truly means.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised: "Derp, I hate America, derp."

I was referring to the contents of the said brainwashing genius. I honestly can't see how someone would unintentionally miss that given the explanation that followed. But I guess you would do anything to undermine and discredit me.

You've already discredited yourself. Much more than I could have done. Me not reading the previous post you responded to doesn't change that aspect of things.

Regardless, it definitely says something about you that's for sure.

Yeah...it says I didn't read the previous post you responded to...

And went on to comment on something you have no knowledge of, and in a rather insolent way too.

I can deal with making a mistake. I'm human, after all.

That's not going to stop me from commenting on anything else you say. You'll have no such respite.

If you're looking for an apology you won't get one. Maybe once you stop with this anti-american kick you're on we can be cordial. I swear, you're almost as bad as kuraimen.

The thing is, you rarely if ever comment on anything I actually say, you're constantly throwing insults which I find it to be worthy of nothing but contempt and pity. I never asked for an apology, its not like it would have added anything of value to me. If an apology was warranted then it would have taken a virtuous man to make it and therefore it would have added value to you. Nevertheless I find it peculiar that you said "I can deal with making a mistake. I'm human, after all." then followed it with "If you're looking for an apology you won't get one."

And by all means don't stop, I'm starting to see you rather amusing. This is not the first time that we disagree on something, but previous disagreements did not reveal what you've been grotesquely demonstrating in this topic. Joining forces with vfibsux really hurts how others perceive you, its not good for you. I'm not sure what triggered this, but yea I'm really disappointed with your intellect.

Just curious, why can't we be cordial unless I stop my "anti-America kick"? For instance I get really well with OT's "Jew crew", namely themajormayor, Darkman and pie-junior even though there exists a historical, existential, ideological and possibly unprecedented divide between us, a divide that profoundly defined my entire life up to this point and the lives of millions over the course of the past 67 years or so. Actually I like them quite a lot despite the fact that on some occasions things got a little nasty. So I ask you, why the butthurt?

ROFL, typical. "Don't you want to think more like us? Right now you are with them, being with them is bad, it makes you look bad. We are superior, don't you want to be superior too?"

Joining forces with me hurts his reputation lol. You are disappointed with his intellect? Holy shit where do you come up with this condescending bullshit? Remember I said you come off as a pompous ass? I was wrong, you simply ARE one.

You see, airshocker is not my only ally, I have a couple hundred million other Americans on my side as well. The vocal minority here in this anti-American cesspool of a message board is nothing compared to the world of hurt you would find if you came in our country spewing the shit you do. The majority of us are proud Americans who will not stand to have people like you shit all over our country. Just because many here don't care to get into it with people like you don't mistake that for you being in some superior moral majority.

I think by now its safe to establish the fact that you never made it out of the cold war era. The flag avatar is a nice touch too.

I would personally imagine that they are a lot of Americans who are at the very least disgruntled by how the country is being run and they would voice some pretty strong views on the economy, the foreign and security policies, education and a myriad of other political, economic and social issues of interest. If this is not the case, then stagnation, staleness and mental and moral degradation have already made their way to the conscious of the American state in which case it would be only a matter of time before the state withers away. Take your pick.

Damn straight we have plenty of Americans unhappy with how things are being run....I am one of them and have said as much a thousand times, you only refuse to acknowledge when I meet you halfway on that. The thing here is....these are AMERICAN issues and ours to have a problem with. What I will not stand for is some foreigner constantly shitting all over my country the way you and many others here do.

Oh and I love the flag comment.......I hope the mere site of red white and bluet bugs the hell out of you.

There's so much irony in there that its almost impossible to imagine it would actually come out of your mouth.

Also I would love to see you not meeting me halfway, it would be a scene.

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@vfibsux: "The vocal minority here in this anti-American cesspool of a message board is nothing compared to the world of hurt you would find if you came in our country spewing the shit you do."

Wait, what? As a patriotic American, shouldn't you support people's right to free speech instead of threathening with violence?

My constitution protects Americans, and I serve to protect it and don't need a lecture from you about it. And I did not threaten anyone with violence, it was a figure of speech.

Everybody has the right to free speech in America, not just Americans. And your "figure of speech" implied that he would be beat up or otherwise attacked if he said that in America.

The thing is, he has the image of Osama Bin Laden for me in his head which is both amusing and mind boggling.

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You can't honestly believe this...

How is it possible that 73% of Russians don't approve of Putin's actions yet the vast majority of Crimean will be voting yes in the upcoming referendum to join Russia?

Also given the size of the Russian population, and the size of the Ukrainian and more specifically the Crimean population, how would the fact that some Russians have relatives over there result in such a severe plummet of Putin's approval rate? And that's not taking into account the ideological and social composition of the Russian society because my guess is generally speaking and in best case scenario, the Russians would only be apathetic about the whole thing. My intuition however tells me that majority of Russians support this move, they see in it an expression of Putin's leadership and aspiration to take Russia to its former glory. Fear of war is pretty much irrelevant, the Ukraine is not stupid enough to go to war with Russia and I think it has become fairly obvious by now that neither the U.S nor the EU is willing to militarily intervene in the situation. Given all of that, I can't conceive the possibility that anything of what you said holds at all, its simply completely detached from reality.

And regarding the brainwashing part, it wouldn't be the first time that the U.S did such a thing. Basically, the uprisings that happened so far in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and the Ukraine bear hard to ignore resemblances to one another. Condoleezza Rice herself said it, at least in regard to redrawing the map of the Middle East: "Creative chaos". That phone call that has been leaked in February featuring two secretary of state top officials talking about the situation and their allies in the opposition, who to choose for what position, the shape of the new government...etc tells you something about this. Also the support the fascist brotherhood received from the Obama administration and from Jimmy Carter before the dreaded presidential elections of 2012 and the American reaction to the 30th, June revolution tell you more about this "creative chaos". Strangely enough, the U.S did not give two fucks about the fascist actions and violence of Muris' regime during the one year reign of the fascist brotherhood in Egypt. Obama himself was planning on receiving Mursi in the White House in April, 2013 I think but apparently he couldn't because Mursi and his regime were too "hot", you know, like they say "the LZ is hot".

Now to Putin's fear from being ousted. Not Gonna Happen, period. Not because he's superman, and certainly not because of his infallible leadership and the Utopia he built in Russia. Rather, it won't happen simply because Russia right now is better than it ever was, at least for the past 3 decades or so. Needless to say, things turned to shit towards the end of the Soviet era so the USSR was finally dissolved and Russians started to hope that things will get better. The irony was that they got worse. Yeltsin was too dumb to take Russia into prosperity. Basically he didn't know a thing about economics and neither did his regime. The state's property was being wasted through his ignorance of market economy and privatization. He prostituted himself to what is known as "the Russian Oligarchs", a group of brutal, ruthless, shady (to put it mildly) and megalomaniac businessmen who almost sucked Russia dry. In addition, Russia was not doing well in terms of security. The war with Chechnya was poorly managed, the communists were still unable to let go and were in constant hostility with Yeltsin and crime was on the rise.

Then Putin came along and greatly improved on much of that. He kicked out the Oligarchs and took back as much as possible of them before they either fled the country or were thrown in jail. Homogeneity of the political and social order was restored, at least to a great extend. The Russian economy has become an actual economy. Order was restored. In short Russia finally made the transition out of the Soviet era. Moreover, for the first time in a long while, Russia has a strong leader that is perceived as capable of reestablishing its former glory and national spirit, not to mention his "spiritual" and charismatic persona that he boasts rather extravagantly and lavishly, and how it resonates with the Russian society and some parts of the world. So I feel inclined to doubt that Putin would fear for himself because of what happened in the Ukraine.

Where has the US ever attempted brainwashing...? I don't think you understand what the word truly means.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised: "Derp, I hate America, derp."

I was referring to the contents of the said brainwashing genius. I honestly can't see how someone would unintentionally miss that given the explanation that followed. But I guess you would do anything to undermine and discredit me.

You've already discredited yourself. Much more than I could have done. Me not reading the previous post you responded to doesn't change that aspect of things.

Regardless, it definitely says something about you that's for sure.

Yeah...it says I didn't read the previous post you responded to...

And went on to comment on something you have no knowledge of, and in a rather insolent way too.

I can deal with making a mistake. I'm human, after all.

That's not going to stop me from commenting on anything else you say. You'll have no such respite.

If you're looking for an apology you won't get one. Maybe once you stop with this anti-american kick you're on we can be cordial. I swear, you're almost as bad as kuraimen.

The thing is, you rarely if ever comment on anything I actually say, you're constantly throwing insults which I find it to be worthy of nothing but contempt and pity. I never asked for an apology, its not like it would have added anything of value to me. If an apology was warranted then it would have taken a virtuous man to make it and therefore it would have added value to you. Nevertheless I find it peculiar that you said "I can deal with making a mistake. I'm human, after all." then followed it with "If you're looking for an apology you won't get one."

And by all means don't stop, I'm starting to see you rather amusing. This is not the first time that we disagree on something, but previous disagreements did not reveal what you've been grotesquely demonstrating in this topic. Joining forces with vfibsux really hurts how others perceive you, its not good for you. I'm not sure what triggered this, but yea I'm really disappointed with your intellect.

Just curious, why can't we be cordial unless I stop my "anti-America kick"? For instance I get really well with OT's "Jew crew", namely themajormayor, Darkman and pie-junior even though there exists a historical, existential, ideological and possibly unprecedented divide between us, a divide that profoundly defined my entire life up to this point and the lives of millions over the course of the past 67 years or so. Actually I like them quite a lot despite the fact that on some occasions things got a little nasty. So I ask you, why the butthurt?

And your views are worthy of nothing but contempt and pity. They're also worthy of ridicule, which is what I'm doing.

Me and vfibsux simply agree with regards to Russia and Ukraine. Nothing more. I'm sure I'll disagree with him at some point or another.

Because when do you see me making posts shitting on your country? Aside from the fact that I support Israel, when have I ever said something about where you live? The answer is never. Yet every single day you try and take a dump on my country and then you expect me to be friendly with you?

I'm more than happy to be friendly with you. In fact we share common interests: Reading and writing. But I don't see how that can be reconciled when every day you insist on taking unwarranted pot shots against me and my government.

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Wonder if I should give my, mildly uneducated, 2 cents or if I should let the usual OT customers go about things?lol. Let it be said I don't hate anyone in OT, not yet anyway.:) I find airshockers lack of not going out of his way to care about innocent human life, seems that way anyway, to be kind of disturbing, I can put up with his mild blind-patriotism which comes of that way to me, I suppose. But, I probably get it he has to be kind and proper in his work place all day so this is his place to let go. . . . He has been around here along time, so I feel he deserves some respect in that regard--Even if some of us are prompted to point and laugh some times when we disagree with his views, we should also be entitled to do that. I appreciate his honesty and I think he said he likes writing, I also like to read occasionally.

I don't always agree with thebest because I feel Afghanistan was justified, I feel Iraq wasn't. People being buried alive under the Trade Centers is a terrible ordeal.

Last thread I mainly took offense to the EU and NATO should do something about the Ukraine comments. I feel my EU country shouldn't do anything about it. It would be fair to protect other Eastern NATO European countries. But the resistance offered should be tapered, to elections by the people of Poland, Estonia etc. in votes by the people to see if they would actually like to see their countries torn up by war or peacefully be annexed if it comes to that. I am not saying politicians shouldn't have quite possibly the final say, but I would like the people of a land to go on record and have their say.

I was politely called out last thread that Iraq invaded Kuwait hence Iraq deserved to be invaded in round 2, so I'd like to respond. There is a rumor going around which I probably believe that some Iraqi diplomats asked Albright (the foreign minister or ambassador, I believe) what would the USA do if Iraq attacked Kuwait, and Albright at the time said something to the likes of, the USA doesn't have anything there to stop you at this time, so for the moment we'd do nothing. If there weren't crooked elements in the USA government and if one believes some USA media, propaganda, that it is the most peace loving, human rights respecting nation in the world, 98% just nation, then they would have done a lot more to stop Gulf War 1 and been honest with Hussien that the USA will stand up for Kuwait. Used more diplomacy in an effort to avoid war. I feel there are crooked elements in the USA government at times (all governments), maybe just stupidity, that would rather support their military complex, and test out their newest weapons than go for a diplomatic solution--my opinion.

Point 2 on Iraq. Saddam claimed Kuwait use to belong to Iraq. His suggestions should be addressed, which I assume they weren't, I believe these things deserve to be handled legally first and him proven false if possible. And if he can't be proven false you can still say that is unacceptable. I value Iraqi life, much like everybody elses, and I don't believe innocent Iraqi military deserves to be buried alive, etc. For the moment I would like to at least see some honesty from government, until I get bored of that skit and move more on to caring about human rights.

I don't think anything will happen in the Ukraine so there is no point in peoples' saber rustling or getting vastly upset. In my opinion the worst that will happen is Russia will level the place like Georgia, or was it Chechnya, and the west won't do anything. It is arguable to think that the Ukraine would join the EU and take Russia's large naval base in Crimea with it, I am not giving the Russians right.

Actually airshocker I don't think your idea of sending USA ships is wrong; besides, it could be considered a training exercise. I did find offense and disagree in that NATO (assuming my country) should back you up, so I wanted my opinion on record.

Anyway I think OT is a pretty polite community, with differing opinions to share and it provides the comedy when it isn't. If I offended anyone in this post that was not my intention and if I have the time I may be able to explain myself or perhaps be persuaded to see an error in my arguments.

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@lamprey263: Good points; however it will probably get ignored between the vfibsux/GazaAli 'love' fest.

One of the best sources of I found is from VICE news. They have some pretty good reporting inside Crimea.

thanks for the link, I've seen Simon Ostrovsky on other networks being interviewed but I've yet to see anything from them directly

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So let them join. Who cares? I mean...really, who cares?

We should all care. By letting Russia essential annex a part of another sovereign nation we are basically showing Russia that their actions against other nations will be essentially ignored by the international community. This would essentially be like an occupying force moving into a U.S. state, taking over the state government and separating itself from the rest of the country. It's nothing shy of occupation which is an act of war. If we let Russia do this we basically tell them that invading other countries will be ignored by the international community. It sets a bad precedent for a power hungry Russian government and could lead to serious political and social repercussions.

A powerful nation that violates national sovereignty despite international opposition is unprecedented? We've been living in that world for a while now. The crimes of aggression against Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya are the most recent examples. .

See, you very much like to simplify things so that they skew to your point of view.

Iraq and Afghanistan never became part of the US, nor did we even attempt anything of the kind. Afghanistan was also justified with a valid declaration of war from Congress. But yes, gloss right on over those things. We all see how ridiculously biased you are.

What do you mean "we all see?" As if people here are in line with your opinions. No one here supports you. No one here likes you.

Most people are. Most people generally agree that what Russia is doing is wrong. You and Gaza are pretty much the only ones here touting this moral equivalence bullshit and attempting to spin this as if Russia is doing a good thing. Give me a break. You honestly think I give a shit if you or Gaza don't like me? Please. I think I've made it pretty clear in previous threads how I feel about you.

Well, you'd be wrong as usual. Go to my thread; the majority of the users there find Kerry's remarks to be hypocritical...and laughable.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/offtopic-discussion-314159273/kerry-you-don-t-invade-another-country-on-phony-pr-31118934/?page=1

You're calling me wrong and yet you're talking about Kerry's remarks when I made no mention of any such thing? I think you need to learn how to read. I know, it isn't your forte. I've got some second grade books that may be able to help you, though.

Ugh...boy you're gonna be a beat cop for the rest of your life. You mentioned "moral equivocation ." Well, that "equivocation" was elaborated in Kerry's remarks. I was referring to the thread to suggest that most folks in my thread find the US's moral high ground to be the hypocritical; Russia invades, the US invades. What's the difference? There is no difference.

You have no idea what a beat cop is. If you had you'd realize beat cops refer to cops in metropolitan cities: New York City, LA, Chicago, Miami, Boston, to name a few. What I am is a patrol officer second grade. I don't walk a beat. I respond in an area that is five times larger than any area walked by an NYPD PO. So if you want to bring my job into things, at least be SORT OF accurate. I don't comment on your career because I quite frankly don't give a shit what you do, nor do I even have the slightest idea of what it is.

No, I said that most folks believe what Russia is doing is wrong. What I said has nothing to do with your thread. So you using it as proof is stupid. Understand now?

Okay, so you're in your car instead of on foot. Okay...fine. As far as Russia goes, you mentioned "moral equivocation." Elaborate on that, please.

Just admit that you have absolutely no idea what I do and leave it at that. Save your dignity.

Why should I? It's irrelevant. You tried to use a thread that had nothing to do with what I'm talking about to prove me wrong and I called you out on it.

You're a cop who drives a cop car. That's wonderful
Why can't you elaborate on the "moral equivocation" statement. Is it there for no reason at all? Are you afraid of elaborating on it? Are you afraid of me?

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So let them join. Who cares? I mean...really, who cares?

We should all care. By letting Russia essential annex a part of another sovereign nation we are basically showing Russia that their actions against other nations will be essentially ignored by the international community. This would essentially be like an occupying force moving into a U.S. state, taking over the state government and separating itself from the rest of the country. It's nothing shy of occupation which is an act of war. If we let Russia do this we basically tell them that invading other countries will be ignored by the international community. It sets a bad precedent for a power hungry Russian government and could lead to serious political and social repercussions.

A powerful nation that violates national sovereignty despite international opposition is unprecedented? We've been living in that world for a while now. The crimes of aggression against Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya are the most recent examples. .

See, you very much like to simplify things so that they skew to your point of view.

Iraq and Afghanistan never became part of the US, nor did we even attempt anything of the kind. Afghanistan was also justified with a valid declaration of war from Congress. But yes, gloss right on over those things. We all see how ridiculously biased you are.

What do you mean "we all see?" As if people here are in line with your opinions. No one here supports you. No one here likes you.

Most people are. Most people generally agree that what Russia is doing is wrong. You and Gaza are pretty much the only ones here touting this moral equivalence bullshit and attempting to spin this as if Russia is doing a good thing. Give me a break. You honestly think I give a shit if you or Gaza don't like me? Please. I think I've made it pretty clear in previous threads how I feel about you.

Well, you'd be wrong as usual. Go to my thread; the majority of the users there find Kerry's remarks to be hypocritical...and laughable.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/offtopic-discussion-314159273/kerry-you-don-t-invade-another-country-on-phony-pr-31118934/?page=1

You're calling me wrong and yet you're talking about Kerry's remarks when I made no mention of any such thing? I think you need to learn how to read. I know, it isn't your forte. I've got some second grade books that may be able to help you, though.

Ugh...boy you're gonna be a beat cop for the rest of your life. You mentioned "moral equivocation ." Well, that "equivocation" was elaborated in Kerry's remarks. I was referring to the thread to suggest that most folks in my thread find the US's moral high ground to be the hypocritical; Russia invades, the US invades. What's the difference? There is no difference.

You have no idea what a beat cop is. If you had you'd realize beat cops refer to cops in metropolitan cities: New York City, LA, Chicago, Miami, Boston, to name a few. What I am is a patrol officer second grade. I don't walk a beat. I respond in an area that is five times larger than any area walked by an NYPD PO. So if you want to bring my job into things, at least be SORT OF accurate. I don't comment on your career because I quite frankly don't give a shit what you do, nor do I even have the slightest idea of what it is.

No, I said that most folks believe what Russia is doing is wrong. What I said has nothing to do with your thread. So you using it as proof is stupid. Understand now?

Okay, so you're in your car instead of on foot. Okay...fine. As far as Russia goes, you mentioned "moral equivocation." Elaborate on that, please.

Just admit that you have absolutely no idea what I do and leave it at that. Save your dignity.

Why should I? It's irrelevant. You tried to use a thread that had nothing to do with what I'm talking about to prove me wrong and I called you out on it.

You're a cop who drives a cop car. That's wonderful

Why can't you elaborate on the "moral equivocation" statement. Is it there for no reason at all? Are you afraid of elaborating on it? Are you afraid of me?

I'm actually a specialist with a remit from the governor's office that allows me to go outside my town's jurisdiction in pursuit of criminals. Usually only the state police are allowed to do that but since my town is basically bisected by the NYS Thruway the powers that be saw fit to give three of us that kind of authority. So no, you have absolutely no idea what I do.

Afraid of you? LOL. I see no point in having a discussion with someone who tries to belittle me by way of ridiculing my job.

In fact, the fact that you just asked somebody, over the internet no less, if they were afraid of you is probably the single funniest thing I've seen all day.

What a moron. Rofl.

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So let them join. Who cares? I mean...really, who cares?

We should all care. By letting Russia essential annex a part of another sovereign nation we are basically showing Russia that their actions against other nations will be essentially ignored by the international community. This would essentially be like an occupying force moving into a U.S. state, taking over the state government and separating itself from the rest of the country. It's nothing shy of occupation which is an act of war. If we let Russia do this we basically tell them that invading other countries will be ignored by the international community. It sets a bad precedent for a power hungry Russian government and could lead to serious political and social repercussions.

A powerful nation that violates national sovereignty despite international opposition is unprecedented? We've been living in that world for a while now. The crimes of aggression against Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya are the most recent examples. .

See, you very much like to simplify things so that they skew to your point of view.

Iraq and Afghanistan never became part of the US, nor did we even attempt anything of the kind. Afghanistan was also justified with a valid declaration of war from Congress. But yes, gloss right on over those things. We all see how ridiculously biased you are.

What do you mean "we all see?" As if people here are in line with your opinions. No one here supports you. No one here likes you.

Most people are. Most people generally agree that what Russia is doing is wrong. You and Gaza are pretty much the only ones here touting this moral equivalence bullshit and attempting to spin this as if Russia is doing a good thing. Give me a break. You honestly think I give a shit if you or Gaza don't like me? Please. I think I've made it pretty clear in previous threads how I feel about you.

Well, you'd be wrong as usual. Go to my thread; the majority of the users there find Kerry's remarks to be hypocritical...and laughable.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/offtopic-discussion-314159273/kerry-you-don-t-invade-another-country-on-phony-pr-31118934/?page=1

You're calling me wrong and yet you're talking about Kerry's remarks when I made no mention of any such thing? I think you need to learn how to read. I know, it isn't your forte. I've got some second grade books that may be able to help you, though.

Ugh...boy you're gonna be a beat cop for the rest of your life. You mentioned "moral equivocation ." Well, that "equivocation" was elaborated in Kerry's remarks. I was referring to the thread to suggest that most folks in my thread find the US's moral high ground to be the hypocritical; Russia invades, the US invades. What's the difference? There is no difference.

You have no idea what a beat cop is. If you had you'd realize beat cops refer to cops in metropolitan cities: New York City, LA, Chicago, Miami, Boston, to name a few. What I am is a patrol officer second grade. I don't walk a beat. I respond in an area that is five times larger than any area walked by an NYPD PO. So if you want to bring my job into things, at least be SORT OF accurate. I don't comment on your career because I quite frankly don't give a shit what you do, nor do I even have the slightest idea of what it is.

No, I said that most folks believe what Russia is doing is wrong. What I said has nothing to do with your thread. So you using it as proof is stupid. Understand now?

Okay, so you're in your car instead of on foot. Okay...fine. As far as Russia goes, you mentioned "moral equivocation." Elaborate on that, please.

Just admit that you have absolutely no idea what I do and leave it at that. Save your dignity.

Why should I? It's irrelevant. You tried to use a thread that had nothing to do with what I'm talking about to prove me wrong and I called you out on it.

You're a cop who drives a cop car. That's wonderful

Why can't you elaborate on the "moral equivocation" statement. Is it there for no reason at all? Are you afraid of elaborating on it? Are you afraid of me?

I'm actually a specialist with a remit from the governor's office that allows me to go outside my town's jurisdiction in pursuit of criminals. Usually only the state police are allowed to do that but since my town is basically bisected by the NYS Thruway the powers that be saw fit to give three of us that kind of authority. So no, you have absolutely no idea what I do.

Afraid of you? LOL. I see no point in having a discussion with someone who tries to belittle me by way of ridiculing my job.

In fact, the fact that you just asked somebody, over the internet no less, if they were afraid of you is probably the single funniest thing I've seen all day.

What a moron. Rofl.

My fault; I shouldn't have attempted to diminish your line of work.

You are scared of me though.

#82 Posted by airshocker (30712 posts) -
@strategyfn said:

Wonder if I should give my, mildly uneducated, 2 cents or if I should let the usual OT customers go about things?lol. Let it be said I don't hate anyone in OT, not yet anyway.:) I find airshockers lack of not going out of his way to care about innocent human life, seems that way anyway, to be kind of disturbing, I can put up with his mild blind-patriotism which comes of that way to me, I suppose. But, I probably get it he has to be kind and proper in his work place all day so this is his place to let go. . . . He has been around here along time, so I feel he deserves some respect in that regard--Even if some of us are prompted to point and laugh some times when we disagree with his views, we should also be entitled to do that. I appreciate his honesty and I think he said he likes writing, I also like to read occasionally.

I don't always agree with thebest because I feel Afghanistan was justified, I feel Iraq wasn't. People being buried alive under the Trade Centers is a terrible ordeal.

Last thread I mainly took offense to the EU and NATO should do something about the Ukraine comments. I feel my EU country shouldn't do anything about it. It would be fair to protect other Eastern NATO European countries. But the resistance offered should be tapered, to elections by the people of Poland, Estonia etc. in votes by the people to see if they would actually like to see their countries torn up by war or peacefully be annexed if it comes to that. I am not saying politicians shouldn't have quite possibly the final say, but I would like the people of a land to go on record and have their say.

I was politely called out last thread that Iraq invaded Kuwait hence Iraq deserved to be invaded in round 2, so I'd like to respond. There is a rumor going around which I probably believe that some Iraqi diplomats asked Albright (the foreign minister or ambassador, I believe) what would the USA do if Iraq attacked Kuwait, and Albright at the time said something to the likes of, the USA doesn't have anything there to stop you at this time, so for the moment we'd do nothing. If there weren't crooked elements in the USA government and if one believes some USA media, propaganda, that it is the most peace loving, human rights respecting nation in the world, 98% just nation, then they would have done a lot more to stop Gulf War 1 and been honest with Hussien that the USA will stand up for Kuwait. Used more diplomacy in an effort to avoid war. I feel there are crooked elements in the USA government at times (all governments), maybe just stupidity, that would rather support their military complex, and test out their newest weapons than go for a diplomatic solution--my opinion.

Point 2 on Iraq. Saddam claimed Kuwait use to belong to Iraq. His suggestions should be addressed, which I assume they weren't, I believe these things deserve to be handled legally first and him proven false if possible. And if he can't be proven false you can still say that is unacceptable. I value Iraqi life, much like everybody elses, and I don't believe innocent Iraqi military deserves to be buried alive, etc. For the moment I would like to at least see some honesty from government, until I get bored of that skit and move more on to caring about human rights.

I don't think anything will happen in the Ukraine so there is no point in peoples' saber rustling or getting vastly upset. In my opinion the worst that will happen is Russia will level the place like Georgia, or was it Chechnya, and the west won't do anything. It is arguable to think that the Ukraine would join the EU and take Russia's large naval base in Crimea with it, I am not giving the Russians right.

Actually airshocker I don't think your idea of sending USA ships is wrong; besides, it could be considered a training exercise. I did find offense and disagree in that NATO (assuming my country) should back you up, so I wanted my opinion on record.

Anyway I think OT is a pretty polite community, with differing opinions to share and it provides the comedy when it isn't. If I offended anyone in this post that was not my intention and if I have the time I may be able to explain myself or perhaps be persuaded to see an error in my arguments.


Your first paragraph is spot on except for two things: The "I don't care about human life" and blind patriot bit. I'm one of the few people on this forum that is a proponent of using the American military to save people. At the expense of American lives and money. And I'm very critical of this country when it deserves it.

#83 Posted by airshocker (30712 posts) -

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So let them join. Who cares? I mean...really, who cares?

We should all care. By letting Russia essential annex a part of another sovereign nation we are basically showing Russia that their actions against other nations will be essentially ignored by the international community. This would essentially be like an occupying force moving into a U.S. state, taking over the state government and separating itself from the rest of the country. It's nothing shy of occupation which is an act of war. If we let Russia do this we basically tell them that invading other countries will be ignored by the international community. It sets a bad precedent for a power hungry Russian government and could lead to serious political and social repercussions.

A powerful nation that violates national sovereignty despite international opposition is unprecedented? We've been living in that world for a while now. The crimes of aggression against Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya are the most recent examples. .

See, you very much like to simplify things so that they skew to your point of view.

Iraq and Afghanistan never became part of the US, nor did we even attempt anything of the kind. Afghanistan was also justified with a valid declaration of war from Congress. But yes, gloss right on over those things. We all see how ridiculously biased you are.

What do you mean "we all see?" As if people here are in line with your opinions. No one here supports you. No one here likes you.

Most people are. Most people generally agree that what Russia is doing is wrong. You and Gaza are pretty much the only ones here touting this moral equivalence bullshit and attempting to spin this as if Russia is doing a good thing. Give me a break. You honestly think I give a shit if you or Gaza don't like me? Please. I think I've made it pretty clear in previous threads how I feel about you.

Well, you'd be wrong as usual. Go to my thread; the majority of the users there find Kerry's remarks to be hypocritical...and laughable.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/offtopic-discussion-314159273/kerry-you-don-t-invade-another-country-on-phony-pr-31118934/?page=1

You're calling me wrong and yet you're talking about Kerry's remarks when I made no mention of any such thing? I think you need to learn how to read. I know, it isn't your forte. I've got some second grade books that may be able to help you, though.

Ugh...boy you're gonna be a beat cop for the rest of your life. You mentioned "moral equivocation ." Well, that "equivocation" was elaborated in Kerry's remarks. I was referring to the thread to suggest that most folks in my thread find the US's moral high ground to be the hypocritical; Russia invades, the US invades. What's the difference? There is no difference.

You have no idea what a beat cop is. If you had you'd realize beat cops refer to cops in metropolitan cities: New York City, LA, Chicago, Miami, Boston, to name a few. What I am is a patrol officer second grade. I don't walk a beat. I respond in an area that is five times larger than any area walked by an NYPD PO. So if you want to bring my job into things, at least be SORT OF accurate. I don't comment on your career because I quite frankly don't give a shit what you do, nor do I even have the slightest idea of what it is.

No, I said that most folks believe what Russia is doing is wrong. What I said has nothing to do with your thread. So you using it as proof is stupid. Understand now?

Okay, so you're in your car instead of on foot. Okay...fine. As far as Russia goes, you mentioned "moral equivocation." Elaborate on that, please.

Just admit that you have absolutely no idea what I do and leave it at that. Save your dignity.

Why should I? It's irrelevant. You tried to use a thread that had nothing to do with what I'm talking about to prove me wrong and I called you out on it.

You're a cop who drives a cop car. That's wonderful

Why can't you elaborate on the "moral equivocation" statement. Is it there for no reason at all? Are you afraid of elaborating on it? Are you afraid of me?

I'm actually a specialist with a remit from the governor's office that allows me to go outside my town's jurisdiction in pursuit of criminals. Usually only the state police are allowed to do that but since my town is basically bisected by the NYS Thruway the powers that be saw fit to give three of us that kind of authority. So no, you have absolutely no idea what I do.

Afraid of you? LOL. I see no point in having a discussion with someone who tries to belittle me by way of ridiculing my job.

In fact, the fact that you just asked somebody, over the internet no less, if they were afraid of you is probably the single funniest thing I've seen all day.

What a moron. Rofl.

My fault; I shouldn't have attempted to diminish your line of work.

You are scared of me though.

In your dreams, maybe.

#84 Posted by GazaAli (23524 posts) -

@airshocker said:

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You can't honestly believe this...

How is it possible that 73% of Russians don't approve of Putin's actions yet the vast majority of Crimean will be voting yes in the upcoming referendum to join Russia?

Also given the size of the Russian population, and the size of the Ukrainian and more specifically the Crimean population, how would the fact that some Russians have relatives over there result in such a severe plummet of Putin's approval rate? And that's not taking into account the ideological and social composition of the Russian society because my guess is generally speaking and in best case scenario, the Russians would only be apathetic about the whole thing. My intuition however tells me that majority of Russians support this move, they see in it an expression of Putin's leadership and aspiration to take Russia to its former glory. Fear of war is pretty much irrelevant, the Ukraine is not stupid enough to go to war with Russia and I think it has become fairly obvious by now that neither the U.S nor the EU is willing to militarily intervene in the situation. Given all of that, I can't conceive the possibility that anything of what you said holds at all, its simply completely detached from reality.

And regarding the brainwashing part, it wouldn't be the first time that the U.S did such a thing. Basically, the uprisings that happened so far in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and the Ukraine bear hard to ignore resemblances to one another. Condoleezza Rice herself said it, at least in regard to redrawing the map of the Middle East: "Creative chaos". That phone call that has been leaked in February featuring two secretary of state top officials talking about the situation and their allies in the opposition, who to choose for what position, the shape of the new government...etc tells you something about this. Also the support the fascist brotherhood received from the Obama administration and from Jimmy Carter before the dreaded presidential elections of 2012 and the American reaction to the 30th, June revolution tell you more about this "creative chaos". Strangely enough, the U.S did not give two fucks about the fascist actions and violence of Muris' regime during the one year reign of the fascist brotherhood in Egypt. Obama himself was planning on receiving Mursi in the White House in April, 2013 I think but apparently he couldn't because Mursi and his regime were too "hot", you know, like they say "the LZ is hot".

Now to Putin's fear from being ousted. Not Gonna Happen, period. Not because he's superman, and certainly not because of his infallible leadership and the Utopia he built in Russia. Rather, it won't happen simply because Russia right now is better than it ever was, at least for the past 3 decades or so. Needless to say, things turned to shit towards the end of the Soviet era so the USSR was finally dissolved and Russians started to hope that things will get better. The irony was that they got worse. Yeltsin was too dumb to take Russia into prosperity. Basically he didn't know a thing about economics and neither did his regime. The state's property was being wasted through his ignorance of market economy and privatization. He prostituted himself to what is known as "the Russian Oligarchs", a group of brutal, ruthless, shady (to put it mildly) and megalomaniac businessmen who almost sucked Russia dry. In addition, Russia was not doing well in terms of security. The war with Chechnya was poorly managed, the communists were still unable to let go and were in constant hostility with Yeltsin and crime was on the rise.

Then Putin came along and greatly improved on much of that. He kicked out the Oligarchs and took back as much as possible of them before they either fled the country or were thrown in jail. Homogeneity of the political and social order was restored, at least to a great extend. The Russian economy has become an actual economy. Order was restored. In short Russia finally made the transition out of the Soviet era. Moreover, for the first time in a long while, Russia has a strong leader that is perceived as capable of reestablishing its former glory and national spirit, not to mention his "spiritual" and charismatic persona that he boasts rather extravagantly and lavishly, and how it resonates with the Russian society and some parts of the world. So I feel inclined to doubt that Putin would fear for himself because of what happened in the Ukraine.

Where has the US ever attempted brainwashing...? I don't think you understand what the word truly means.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised: "Derp, I hate America, derp."

I was referring to the contents of the said brainwashing genius. I honestly can't see how someone would unintentionally miss that given the explanation that followed. But I guess you would do anything to undermine and discredit me.

You've already discredited yourself. Much more than I could have done. Me not reading the previous post you responded to doesn't change that aspect of things.

Regardless, it definitely says something about you that's for sure.

Yeah...it says I didn't read the previous post you responded to...

And went on to comment on something you have no knowledge of, and in a rather insolent way too.

I can deal with making a mistake. I'm human, after all.

That's not going to stop me from commenting on anything else you say. You'll have no such respite.

If you're looking for an apology you won't get one. Maybe once you stop with this anti-american kick you're on we can be cordial. I swear, you're almost as bad as kuraimen.

The thing is, you rarely if ever comment on anything I actually say, you're constantly throwing insults which I find it to be worthy of nothing but contempt and pity. I never asked for an apology, its not like it would have added anything of value to me. If an apology was warranted then it would have taken a virtuous man to make it and therefore it would have added value to you. Nevertheless I find it peculiar that you said "I can deal with making a mistake. I'm human, after all." then followed it with "If you're looking for an apology you won't get one."

And by all means don't stop, I'm starting to see you rather amusing. This is not the first time that we disagree on something, but previous disagreements did not reveal what you've been grotesquely demonstrating in this topic. Joining forces with vfibsux really hurts how others perceive you, its not good for you. I'm not sure what triggered this, but yea I'm really disappointed with your intellect.

Just curious, why can't we be cordial unless I stop my "anti-America kick"? For instance I get really well with OT's "Jew crew", namely themajormayor, Darkman and pie-junior even though there exists a historical, existential, ideological and possibly unprecedented divide between us, a divide that profoundly defined my entire life up to this point and the lives of millions over the course of the past 67 years or so. Actually I like them quite a lot despite the fact that on some occasions things got a little nasty. So I ask you, why the butthurt?

And your views are worthy of nothing but contempt and pity. They're also worthy of ridicule, which is what I'm doing.

Me and vfibsux simply agree with regards to Russia and Ukraine. Nothing more. I'm sure I'll disagree with him at some point or another.

Because when do you see me making posts shitting on your country? Aside from the fact that I support Israel, when have I ever said something about where you live? The answer is never. Yet every single day you try and take a dump on my country and then you expect me to be friendly with you?

I'm more than happy to be friendly with you. In fact we share common interests: Reading and writing. But I don't see how that can be reconciled when every day you insist on taking unwarranted pot shots against me and my government.

That's the point, ridicule is the lowest form of intellect, it is the absence of intellect. Insult is an even more progressive form of mental degradation in the sense that if one cannot at least afford an attempt of intellect, there's no need to become demoralized/indecent. Intellect may not be something every single individual capable of, but virtue/decency is definitely attainable even by the least privileged man.

Here's the thing, in this topic vfibsux only demonstrated an almost pathological form of jingoism and extreme delusional tendencies. His posting pattern in this and the other topic and the way he kept back and forth losing/gaining consciousness of himself and his outlook of the world and how reality fairs in relation to the latter make him come of as someone suffering from dementia. I'm not saying its a fact, but its a possibility. I'm not saying this because we disagreed on something because I don't think we made it far enough to disagree on something to begin with. I had my fair share of bickering in this place and I've been called some nasty stuff but it never felt, except for one user, that I'm dealing with a maniac. So I personally wouldn't ever voice agreement with, let alone defending someone that fits that profile not only because it wouldn't really consolidate my position in a discussion but also because I cannot rely on the rationality, veracity and validity of anything that such an individual would have to say, not to mention fear of association with him.

My country does not even exist on the map for you to shit on it and my country is not the superpower of the world that is in the constant process of changing the landscape of the world's politics and deciding what and what does not happen everywhere. You see, when you make it your business to police the world and poke your nose rather insolently and destructively everywhere, its very hard to comprehend that you'd fail to anticipate at least this reaction from some people around the world. I would rather have you shiting on my country in an online forum than providing my enemy and occupier with unlimited money, power and impunity over the course of 67 years. And as you stated you support Israel so you're on the same page as your government. Its very surprising that you seem unaware of this rather straightforward and unmistakable reality. Regardless, I don't shit on your country, I criticize things pertaining mostly to the political and economic aspects of the country, why should that upset you?
With that said, I wouldn't lose any sleep over you shitting on my country. I've made it rather conspicuously clear that I care little for this place and that I think very little of it.

Lastly, I personally can't see how the two are mutually exclusive: You either cease and desist from criticizing my country or I will continue my hostility and hateful attitude towards you.

#85 Posted by vfibsux (4226 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@deeliman said:

@vfibsux said:

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@vfibsux: "The vocal minority here in this anti-American cesspool of a message board is nothing compared to the world of hurt you would find if you came in our country spewing the shit you do."

Wait, what? As a patriotic American, shouldn't you support people's right to free speech instead of threathening with violence?

My constitution protects Americans, and I serve to protect it and don't need a lecture from you about it. And I did not threaten anyone with violence, it was a figure of speech.

Everybody has the right to free speech in America, not just Americans. And your "figure of speech" implied that he would be beat up or otherwise attacked if he said that in America.

The thing is, he has the image of Osama Bin Laden for me in his head which is both amusing and mind boggling.

And where on Earth did I ever even imply that? Talk about making up bullshit. I see you as a guy whose ideology includes hating everything America represents, and no amount of reason will ever sway that. You are not worth trying to reason with, all we can hope to do is deflect your anti_america propaganda with facts and logic and watch you reply to reason with one liner personal attacks to discredit us. I posted an freaking essay of logic to refute everything you said and you replied with "I weep for you" lol. Speaks VOLUMES.

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@GazaAli said:

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You can't honestly believe this...

How is it possible that 73% of Russians don't approve of Putin's actions yet the vast majority of Crimean will be voting yes in the upcoming referendum to join Russia?

Also given the size of the Russian population, and the size of the Ukrainian and more specifically the Crimean population, how would the fact that some Russians have relatives over there result in such a severe plummet of Putin's approval rate? And that's not taking into account the ideological and social composition of the Russian society because my guess is generally speaking and in best case scenario, the Russians would only be apathetic about the whole thing. My intuition however tells me that majority of Russians support this move, they see in it an expression of Putin's leadership and aspiration to take Russia to its former glory. Fear of war is pretty much irrelevant, the Ukraine is not stupid enough to go to war with Russia and I think it has become fairly obvious by now that neither the U.S nor the EU is willing to militarily intervene in the situation. Given all of that, I can't conceive the possibility that anything of what you said holds at all, its simply completely detached from reality.

And regarding the brainwashing part, it wouldn't be the first time that the U.S did such a thing. Basically, the uprisings that happened so far in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and the Ukraine bear hard to ignore resemblances to one another. Condoleezza Rice herself said it, at least in regard to redrawing the map of the Middle East: "Creative chaos". That phone call that has been leaked in February featuring two secretary of state top officials talking about the situation and their allies in the opposition, who to choose for what position, the shape of the new government...etc tells you something about this. Also the support the fascist brotherhood received from the Obama administration and from Jimmy Carter before the dreaded presidential elections of 2012 and the American reaction to the 30th, June revolution tell you more about this "creative chaos". Strangely enough, the U.S did not give two fucks about the fascist actions and violence of Muris' regime during the one year reign of the fascist brotherhood in Egypt. Obama himself was planning on receiving Mursi in the White House in April, 2013 I think but apparently he couldn't because Mursi and his regime were too "hot", you know, like they say "the LZ is hot".

Now to Putin's fear from being ousted. Not Gonna Happen, period. Not because he's superman, and certainly not because of his infallible leadership and the Utopia he built in Russia. Rather, it won't happen simply because Russia right now is better than it ever was, at least for the past 3 decades or so. Needless to say, things turned to shit towards the end of the Soviet era so the USSR was finally dissolved and Russians started to hope that things will get better. The irony was that they got worse. Yeltsin was too dumb to take Russia into prosperity. Basically he didn't know a thing about economics and neither did his regime. The state's property was being wasted through his ignorance of market economy and privatization. He prostituted himself to what is known as "the Russian Oligarchs", a group of brutal, ruthless, shady (to put it mildly) and megalomaniac businessmen who almost sucked Russia dry. In addition, Russia was not doing well in terms of security. The war with Chechnya was poorly managed, the communists were still unable to let go and were in constant hostility with Yeltsin and crime was on the rise.

Then Putin came along and greatly improved on much of that. He kicked out the Oligarchs and took back as much as possible of them before they either fled the country or were thrown in jail. Homogeneity of the political and social order was restored, at least to a great extend. The Russian economy has become an actual economy. Order was restored. In short Russia finally made the transition out of the Soviet era. Moreover, for the first time in a long while, Russia has a strong leader that is perceived as capable of reestablishing its former glory and national spirit, not to mention his "spiritual" and charismatic persona that he boasts rather extravagantly and lavishly, and how it resonates with the Russian society and some parts of the world. So I feel inclined to doubt that Putin would fear for himself because of what happened in the Ukraine.

Where has the US ever attempted brainwashing...? I don't think you understand what the word truly means.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised: "Derp, I hate America, derp."

I was referring to the contents of the said brainwashing genius. I honestly can't see how someone would unintentionally miss that given the explanation that followed. But I guess you would do anything to undermine and discredit me.

You've already discredited yourself. Much more than I could have done. Me not reading the previous post you responded to doesn't change that aspect of things.

Regardless, it definitely says something about you that's for sure.

Yeah...it says I didn't read the previous post you responded to...

And went on to comment on something you have no knowledge of, and in a rather insolent way too.

I can deal with making a mistake. I'm human, after all.

That's not going to stop me from commenting on anything else you say. You'll have no such respite.

If you're looking for an apology you won't get one. Maybe once you stop with this anti-american kick you're on we can be cordial. I swear, you're almost as bad as kuraimen.

The thing is, you rarely if ever comment on anything I actually say, you're constantly throwing insults which I find it to be worthy of nothing but contempt and pity. I never asked for an apology, its not like it would have added anything of value to me. If an apology was warranted then it would have taken a virtuous man to make it and therefore it would have added value to you. Nevertheless I find it peculiar that you said "I can deal with making a mistake. I'm human, after all." then followed it with "If you're looking for an apology you won't get one."

And by all means don't stop, I'm starting to see you rather amusing. This is not the first time that we disagree on something, but previous disagreements did not reveal what you've been grotesquely demonstrating in this topic. Joining forces with vfibsux really hurts how others perceive you, its not good for you. I'm not sure what triggered this, but yea I'm really disappointed with your intellect.

Just curious, why can't we be cordial unless I stop my "anti-America kick"? For instance I get really well with OT's "Jew crew", namely themajormayor, Darkman and pie-junior even though there exists a historical, existential, ideological and possibly unprecedented divide between us, a divide that profoundly defined my entire life up to this point and the lives of millions over the course of the past 67 years or so. Actually I like them quite a lot despite the fact that on some occasions things got a little nasty. So I ask you, why the butthurt?

And your views are worthy of nothing but contempt and pity. They're also worthy of ridicule, which is what I'm doing.

Me and vfibsux simply agree with regards to Russia and Ukraine. Nothing more. I'm sure I'll disagree with him at some point or another.

Because when do you see me making posts shitting on your country? Aside from the fact that I support Israel, when have I ever said something about where you live? The answer is never. Yet every single day you try and take a dump on my country and then you expect me to be friendly with you?

I'm more than happy to be friendly with you. In fact we share common interests: Reading and writing. But I don't see how that can be reconciled when every day you insist on taking unwarranted pot shots against me and my government.

Here's the thing, in this topic vfibsux only demonstrated an almost pathological form of jingoism and extreme delusional tendencies. His posting pattern in this and the other topic and the way he kept back and forth losing/gaining consciousness of himself and his outlook of the world and how reality fairs in relation to the latter make him come of as someone suffering from dementia. I'm not saying its a fact, but its a possibility. I'm not saying this because we disagreed on something because I don't think we made it far enough to disagree on something to begin with. I had my fair share of bickering in this place and I've been called some nasty stuff but it never felt, except for one user, that I'm dealing with a maniac. So I personally wouldn't ever voice agreement with, let alone defending someone that fits that profile not only because it wouldn't really consolidate my position in a discussion but also because I cannot rely on the rationality, veracity and validity of anything that such an individual would have to say, not to mention fear of association with him.

Complete and utter bullshit. You are a bullshitter, period. You use all of this "intellectual" terminology and the biggest words possible typically not used by normal people to make yourself and your views appear superior to others. You are condescending, arrogant, and in the end completely full of shit. I don't care what kind of language you use, all you do is spew ideology with few facts to back it up. When someone does post facts you move to discredit them with this kind of crap. Posting facts, reason, and logic with a pissed off "fk you" attitude does not make me intellectually inferior to you. Just because you say it in every post does not make it true. But yea that IS propaganda 101, something your kind is pro at.....if you repeat it enough times it soon becomes truth no matter what facts are presented to the contrary.

So let's cut the bullshit, because no matter how I present my views to you they would NEVER be accepted by you. I could write a Master's thesis with my views and present every one of them in a scholarly manner and you would disagree with the entire thing and you know it.

#87 Posted by comp_atkins (31812 posts) -

soooo......crimea.

#88 Edited by Chaos_HL21 (5287 posts) -

Seems that ex-Serbian military volunteers are setting up check points. It seems things are getting worst in the area.

#89 Posted by airshocker (30712 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

That's the point, ridicule is the lowest form of intellect, it is the absence of intellect. Insult is an even more progressive form of mental degradation in the sense that if one cannot at least afford an attempt of intellect, there's no need to become demoralized/indecent. Intellect may not be something every single individual capable of, but virtue/decency is definitely attainable even by the least privileged man.

Here's the thing, in this topic vfibsux only demonstrated an almost pathological form of jingoism and extreme delusional tendencies. His posting pattern in this and the other topic and the way he kept back and forth losing/gaining consciousness of himself and his outlook of the world and how reality fairs in relation to the latter make him come of as someone suffering from dementia. I'm not saying its a fact, but its a possibility. I'm not saying this because we disagreed on something because I don't think we made it far enough to disagree on something to begin with. I had my fair share of bickering in this place and I've been called some nasty stuff but it never felt, except for one user, that I'm dealing with a maniac. So I personally wouldn't ever voice agreement with, let alone defending someone that fits that profile not only because it wouldn't really consolidate my position in a discussion but also because I cannot rely on the rationality, veracity and validity of anything that such an individual would have to say, not to mention fear of association with him.

My country does not even exist on the map for you to shit on it and my country is not the superpower of the world that is in the constant process of changing the landscape of the world's politics and deciding what and what does not happen everywhere. You see, when you make it your business to police the world and poke your nose rather insolently and destructively everywhere, its very hard to comprehend that you'd fail to anticipate at least this reaction from some people around the world. I would rather have you shiting on my country in an online forum than providing my enemy and occupier with unlimited money, power and impunity over the course of 67 years. And as you stated you support Israel so you're on the same page as your government. Its very surprising that you seem unaware of this rather straightforward and unmistakable reality. Regardless, I don't shit on your country, I criticize things pertaining mostly to the political and economic aspects of the country, why should that upset you?

With that said, I wouldn't lose any sleep over you shitting on my country. I've made it rather conspicuously clear that I care little for this place and that I think very little of it.

Lastly, I personally can't see how the two are mutually exclusive: You either cease and desist from criticizing my country or I will continue my hostility and hateful attitude towards you.

I don't agree. If you want me to stop ridiculing, then simply admit Russia is wrong and stop with all of the other horseshit. It doesn't matter what the US has done in the past. Russia is wrong.

He is right about another thing: Your vocabulary is simply an attempt to seem more intellectual than you really are.

And sometimes we're right. When it comes to saving people's lives, which happens quite often as a result of our interference, who are you or the rest of the world to say we shouldn't? Or say we're wrong?

Pretty sure I can point out exactly where you live on the map. Your geographic area also has a name that is commonly used. So that whole bit is a distinction without a difference. Why shouldn't I support Israel? It's very simple: You might have a perfectly justifiable reason to hate them, and you might claim that you want a peaceful resolution to all of this, but Israel is also surrounded by countries that want them wiped off the map. If my taxpayer dollars are stopping millions of deaths, then that's money well spent.

You do shit on my country. You've never had a good word to say about it. So yes, until I see a more even keel from you, I'm going to assume you're just biased. If it was solely criticism and there was no hatred, I could live with that.

If you can't understand why I wish you to be reasonable towards my country then there's nothing left to talk about.

#90 Edited by vfibsux (4226 posts) -

@airshocker said:

@GazaAli said:

That's the point, ridicule is the lowest form of intellect, it is the absence of intellect. Insult is an even more progressive form of mental degradation in the sense that if one cannot at least afford an attempt of intellect, there's no need to become demoralized/indecent. Intellect may not be something every single individual capable of, but virtue/decency is definitely attainable even by the least privileged man.

Here's the thing, in this topic vfibsux only demonstrated an almost pathological form of jingoism and extreme delusional tendencies. His posting pattern in this and the other topic and the way he kept back and forth losing/gaining consciousness of himself and his outlook of the world and how reality fairs in relation to the latter make him come of as someone suffering from dementia. I'm not saying its a fact, but its a possibility. I'm not saying this because we disagreed on something because I don't think we made it far enough to disagree on something to begin with. I had my fair share of bickering in this place and I've been called some nasty stuff but it never felt, except for one user, that I'm dealing with a maniac. So I personally wouldn't ever voice agreement with, let alone defending someone that fits that profile not only because it wouldn't really consolidate my position in a discussion but also because I cannot rely on the rationality, veracity and validity of anything that such an individual would have to say, not to mention fear of association with him.

My country does not even exist on the map for you to shit on it and my country is not the superpower of the world that is in the constant process of changing the landscape of the world's politics and deciding what and what does not happen everywhere. You see, when you make it your business to police the world and poke your nose rather insolently and destructively everywhere, its very hard to comprehend that you'd fail to anticipate at least this reaction from some people around the world. I would rather have you shiting on my country in an online forum than providing my enemy and occupier with unlimited money, power and impunity over the course of 67 years. And as you stated you support Israel so you're on the same page as your government. Its very surprising that you seem unaware of this rather straightforward and unmistakable reality. Regardless, I don't shit on your country, I criticize things pertaining mostly to the political and economic aspects of the country, why should that upset you?

With that said, I wouldn't lose any sleep over you shitting on my country. I've made it rather conspicuously clear that I care little for this place and that I think very little of it.

Lastly, I personally can't see how the two are mutually exclusive: You either cease and desist from criticizing my country or I will continue my hostility and hateful attitude towards you.

I don't agree. If you want me to stop ridiculing, then simply admit Russia is wrong and stop with all of the other horseshit. It doesn't matter what the US has done in the past. Russia is wrong.

He is right about another thing: Your vocabulary is simply an attempt to seem more intellectual than you really are.

And sometimes we're right. When it comes to saving people's lives, which happens quite often as a result of our interference, who are you or the rest of the world to say we shouldn't? Or say we're wrong?

Pretty sure I can point out exactly where you live on the map. Your geographic area also has a name that is commonly used. So that whole bit is a distinction without a difference. Why shouldn't I support Israel? It's very simple: You might have a perfectly justifiable reason to hate them, and you might claim that you want a peaceful resolution to all of this, but Israel is also surrounded by countries that want them wiped off the map. If my taxpayer dollars are stopping millions of deaths, then that's money well spent.

You do shit on my country. You've never had a good word to say about it. So yes, until I see a more even keel from you, I'm going to assume you're just biased. If it was solely criticism and there was no hatred, I could live with that.

If you can't understand why I wish you to be reasonable towards my country then there's nothing left to talk about.

Sincere and in your face effort, but in the end you can't reason with this guy or his sidekick "thebest....". I'm done trying personally. They deserve to be confronted the same way they confront us, fight fire with fire. These guys don't respect it when we make concessions, they see it as weakness and move in for the kill. Kind of reminds me of some other people the U.S. is unable to reason with......imagine that.

#91 Posted by GazaAli (23524 posts) -

@comp_atkins said:

soooo......crimea.

Trust me, this is not about Crimea anymore, it never was anyway. 120,000 have been killed in Syria and so far no one is feeling the "buzz".

#92 Posted by Chaos_HL21 (5287 posts) -

@GazaAli: This topic was about the Crimea before the huge derailment, also why bring up Syria?

While the situation in Crimea isn't the same as Syria it is worrying. Such as journalists being attacked, I even saw reports of them being kidnapped (such as in the video I linked earlier).

#93 Posted by GazaAli (23524 posts) -

@Chaos_HL21 said:

@GazaAli: This topic was about the Crimea before the huge derailment, also why bring up Syria?

While the situation in Crimea isn't the same as Syria it is worrying. Such as journalists being attacked, I even saw reports of them being kidnapped (such as in the video I linked earlier).

I admit that was a derailment on my part, regardless of the severe case of hypocrisy.

#94 Posted by thebest31406 (3489 posts) -

@comp_atkins said:

soooo......crimea.

Yeah, let's get back on topic.

U.S. to Host Ukrainian PM Ahead of Crimea Secession Vote

Tens of thousands took part in rival pro-unity and pro-Russian rallies in Ukraine on Sunday ahead of a planned secession referendum in Russian-occupied Crimea. Crimea is set to vote this Sunday on whether to break off from Ukraine and join Russia following the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych last month. In a show of support for the new government, the White House has announced President Obama will host newly installed Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk at the White House this week.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/3/10/headlines#3102

If undermining this neo-Nazi rule requires Crimea to become part of Russia, then so be it. I can't stand Nazis...God knows why.

#95 Edited by vfibsux (4226 posts) -

@thebest31406 said:

@comp_atkins said:

soooo......crimea.

Yeah, let's get back on topic.

U.S. to Host Ukrainian PM Ahead of Crimea Secession Vote

Tens of thousands took part in rival pro-unity and pro-Russian rallies in Ukraine on Sunday ahead of a planned secession referendum in Russian-occupied Crimea. Crimea is set to vote this Sunday on whether to break off from Ukraine and join Russia following the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych last month. In a show of support for the new government, the White House has announced President Obama will host newly installed Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk at the White House this week.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/3/10/headlines#3102

If undermining this neo-Nazi rule requires Crimea to become part of Russia, then so be it. I can't stand Nazis...God knows why.

Democracy now rofl, and people like you bash Fox News for being biased. This makes everything clear.

Okay....so the current prime minister of this "Nazi regime"...........is Jewish?

#96 Edited by thebest31406 (3489 posts) -

@vfibsux said:

@thebest31406 said:

@comp_atkins said:

soooo......crimea.

Yeah, let's get back on topic.

U.S. to Host Ukrainian PM Ahead of Crimea Secession Vote

Tens of thousands took part in rival pro-unity and pro-Russian rallies in Ukraine on Sunday ahead of a planned secession referendum in Russian-occupied Crimea. Crimea is set to vote this Sunday on whether to break off from Ukraine and join Russia following the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych last month. In a show of support for the new government, the White House has announced President Obama will host newly installed Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk at the White House this week.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/3/10/headlines#3102

If undermining this neo-Nazi rule requires Crimea to become part of Russia, then so be it. I can't stand Nazis...God knows why.

Democracy now rofl, and people like you bash Fox News for being biased. This makes everything clear.

Okay....so the current prime minister of this "Nazi regime"...........is Jewish?

I think you may have something of an addiction for me. You constantly say that you're done with me but you just can't.quit me. Reminds me of that movie.

Bias is irrelevant in news media. A news organization isn't obliged to "fairness and balance", only truth.

The PM is Jewish...so what?

#97 Edited by vfibsux (4226 posts) -

@thebest31406 said:

@vfibsux said:

@thebest31406 said:

@comp_atkins said:

soooo......crimea.

Yeah, let's get back on topic.

U.S. to Host Ukrainian PM Ahead of Crimea Secession Vote

Tens of thousands took part in rival pro-unity and pro-Russian rallies in Ukraine on Sunday ahead of a planned secession referendum in Russian-occupied Crimea. Crimea is set to vote this Sunday on whether to break off from Ukraine and join Russia following the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych last month. In a show of support for the new government, the White House has announced President Obama will host newly installed Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk at the White House this week.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/3/10/headlines#3102

If undermining this neo-Nazi rule requires Crimea to become part of Russia, then so be it. I can't stand Nazis...God knows why.

Democracy now rofl, and people like you bash Fox News for being biased. This makes everything clear.

Okay....so the current prime minister of this "Nazi regime"...........is Jewish?

I think you may have something of an addiction for me. You constantly say that you're done with me but you just can't.quit me. Reminds me of that movie.

Bias is irrelevant in news media. A news organization isn't obliged to "fairness and balance", only truth.

The PM is Jewish...so what?

An addiction eh, delusions of grandeur much? Oh don't worry, I am not discussing shit with rationally with you, I am just calling you out for using a bias source and the hilarious irony that you are calling the new government "Nazi's" when their PM is Jewish. Trust me, I am not expecting any conversation of value here and really could not give a shit what you think anymore. I don't believe I implied I would ignore you or your lover Gaza, I will continue to stomp out bullshit as I see it.

#98 Posted by thebest31406 (3489 posts) -

@vfibsux said:

@thebest31406 said:

@vfibsux said:

@thebest31406 said:

@comp_atkins said:

soooo......crimea.

Yeah, let's get back on topic.

U.S. to Host Ukrainian PM Ahead of Crimea Secession Vote

Tens of thousands took part in rival pro-unity and pro-Russian rallies in Ukraine on Sunday ahead of a planned secession referendum in Russian-occupied Crimea. Crimea is set to vote this Sunday on whether to break off from Ukraine and join Russia following the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych last month. In a show of support for the new government, the White House has announced President Obama will host newly installed Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk at the White House this week.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/3/10/headlines#3102

If undermining this neo-Nazi rule requires Crimea to become part of Russia, then so be it. I can't stand Nazis...God knows why.

Democracy now rofl, and people like you bash Fox News for being biased. This makes everything clear.

Okay....so the current prime minister of this "Nazi regime"...........is Jewish?

I think you may have something of an addiction for me. You constantly say that you're done with me but you just can't.quit me. Reminds me of that movie.

Bias is irrelevant in news media. A news organization isn't obliged to "fairness and balance", only truth.

The PM is Jewish...so what?

An addiction eh, delusions of grandeur much? Oh don't worry, I am not discussing shit with rationally with you, I am just calling you out for using a bias source and the hilarious irony that you are calling the new government "Nazi's" when their PM is Jewish. Trust me, I am not expecting any conversation of value here and really could not give a shit what you think anymore. I don't believe I implied I would ignore you or your lover Gaza, I will continue to stomp out bullshit as I see it.

Nah, it's addiction. I'm like a cigarette; you tell yourself and others that you're gonna quit me but no matter how hard you try, you can't.

#99 Posted by vfibsux (4226 posts) -

@thebest31406 said:

@vfibsux said:

@thebest31406 said:

@vfibsux said:

@thebest31406 said:

@comp_atkins said:

soooo......crimea.

Yeah, let's get back on topic.

U.S. to Host Ukrainian PM Ahead of Crimea Secession Vote

Tens of thousands took part in rival pro-unity and pro-Russian rallies in Ukraine on Sunday ahead of a planned secession referendum in Russian-occupied Crimea. Crimea is set to vote this Sunday on whether to break off from Ukraine and join Russia following the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych last month. In a show of support for the new government, the White House has announced President Obama will host newly installed Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk at the White House this week.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/3/10/headlines#3102

If undermining this neo-Nazi rule requires Crimea to become part of Russia, then so be it. I can't stand Nazis...God knows why.

Democracy now rofl, and people like you bash Fox News for being biased. This makes everything clear.

Okay....so the current prime minister of this "Nazi regime"...........is Jewish?

I think you may have something of an addiction for me. You constantly say that you're done with me but you just can't.quit me. Reminds me of that movie.

Bias is irrelevant in news media. A news organization isn't obliged to "fairness and balance", only truth.

The PM is Jewish...so what?

An addiction eh, delusions of grandeur much? Oh don't worry, I am not discussing shit with rationally with you, I am just calling you out for using a bias source and the hilarious irony that you are calling the new government "Nazi's" when their PM is Jewish. Trust me, I am not expecting any conversation of value here and really could not give a shit what you think anymore. I don't believe I implied I would ignore you or your lover Gaza, I will continue to stomp out bullshit as I see it.

Nah, it's addiction. I'm like a cigarette; you tell yourself and others that you're gonna quit me but no matter how hard you try, you can't.

/yawn

#100 Posted by Chaos_HL21 (5287 posts) -

@thebest31406 said:

@comp_atkins said:

soooo......crimea.

Yeah, let's get back on topic.

U.S. to Host Ukrainian PM Ahead of Crimea Secession Vote

Tens of thousands took part in rival pro-unity and pro-Russian rallies in Ukraine on Sunday ahead of a planned secession referendum in Russian-occupied Crimea. Crimea is set to vote this Sunday on whether to break off from Ukraine and join Russia following the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych last month. In a show of support for the new government, the White House has announced President Obama will host newly installed Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk at the White House this week.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/3/10/headlines#3102

If undermining this neo-Nazi rule requires Crimea to become part of Russia, then so be it. I can't stand Nazis...God knows why.

Currently the government in the Ukraine is interim and they planned on having elections, and it seems that the "Pro-Russian" "Self-Defense" force. Isn't helping stabilize the area. I linked to a Vice News video which reports of journalists getting beaten (and a report of being kidnapped), and ex-Serbian military volunteers are setting up check points in region.