Cousin of murdered Palestinian beaten by Israeli police

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#1 Edited by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

"Video broadcast on Palestinian TV allegedly showed the American cousin of killed teenager Mohammed Abu Khdeir being beaten and kicked by Israeli police.

The boy, Tariq Abu Khdeir, is an American citizen, Tariq's father said he witnessed his son's arrest and on Saturday confirmed the video showed his son being beaten.

The footage shows two people dressed in military uniforms punching and stamping on someone on the ground.

An Israeli police spokeswoman said the footage was heavily edited and altered and that it did not represent the events accurately."

Source

The IDF and Israeli regime are indeed moral and humanitarian incarnate. Also, the video looks pretty clear to me. I can't see how it might have been "edited and altered" or that "it did not represent the events accurately". It represents the events so fucking accurately, they're just too butthurt that they were caught in the act and therefore its proving to be really hard to lie about it and twist it as usual.

Also, a 16 years old Jerusalemite has been kidnapped by Israeli right-wing extremists and burned alive a couple of days ago in retaliation to the kidnapping and killing of three Israeli teenage settlers in Hebron a couple of weeks ago. It appears that a total of 6 Israelis have been arrested in connection to the savage and barbaric act:

"Israeli police disclosed a dramatic breakthrough in the probe into the murder of a Palestinian teenager on Sunday, saying they had arrested several extremist Jewish suspects.

The revelation followed days of speculation and rumours surrounding the death of 16-year-old Mohammed Abu Khdeir and suggested that suspicions of a Right-wing nationalist motive were correct.

Haaretz reported on its website that police had made six arrests in the case. The identities of those arrested were not immediately revealed but AP reported that police confirmed "nationalistic" motives were behind the crime.

Palestinians allege that he was killed by Right-wing Israelis in retribution for the deaths of three Israeli teenagers, whose bodies were found in the West Bank last week."

Source

The IDF and the barbaric Israeli settlers of the west bank have been wreaking havoc in the west bank and east Jerusalem for the past three weeks or so. Arrests and raids without warrants, demolition of houses and a strict policy of blockade are getting out of hands in the west bank. Israeli war jets have been raiding Gaza nonstop for the past three weeks or so. Its strange that this isn't getting any substantial coverage and international attention. I wonder where all the tolerant and benevolent people who are all about human rights and human suffering are to all of this. The world is full of shit indeed.

#2 Posted by geniobastardo (1294 posts) -

The media won't cover the things which deserve coverage. I expected nothing more from Media. Also, whenever things come down to muslims being oppressed, the whole world is biased. Don't get me wrong, but it's the truth.

#3 Posted by Newhopes (4587 posts) -

Israeli should never have existed....

#4 Posted by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

@Newhopes said:

Israeli should never have existed....

Bu,Bu,Buttt, Israel's right to exist man

#5 Posted by Master_Live (14867 posts) -

@Newhopes said:

Israeli should never have existed....

Maybe. And I should had finished my bachelors earlier. But we don't live in the world we want but in the world as it is. And like Celine Dion says and that's the way it is. So focus on what are you gonna do going forward.

#6 Posted by Crunchy_Nuts (2749 posts) -

Obvious smear campaign against Israel is obvious. Israel has only every acted in defence, never in aggression.

#7 Posted by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

@Crunchy_Nuts said:

Obvious smear campaign against Israel is obvious. Israel has only every acted in defence, never in aggression.

I don't blame you for posting this unthought out and stagnant reply. I understand it has been getting progressively and extremely hard to defend Israel's action.

#8 Edited by Flubbbs (3171 posts) -

just another victim of the zionists

#9 Edited by alim298 (1469 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

I wonder where all the tolerant and benevolent people who are all about human rights and human suffering are to all of this. The world is full of shit indeed.

Does this come as a surprise to you? Haven't you read people's posts saying that Iraq deserves what it got? Haven't you heard them saying they're proud to kill a Muslim? Didn't you find it insane that no one tore that mouth up? Brother we are the Yusuf of this era. People who should be our brothers wage war against us. Caravans that pass don't give a damn about the boy in the well.

I think we both can agree that both sides are corrupt. To me there's no such thing as greater evil. In the depths of my hearth I know that eventually this conflict will be over not by IDF or Hamas but by the Jews and Muslims of good virtues and pure hearth and if they don't God has soldiers all over the face of the earth ready to do his bidding. That day we look back and think of how silly all this was but I fear for the people involved in all this. They won't get away with it.

superstition aside U.N needs to do something about it. Israel has committed all sort of war crimes and has shown all sort of cruelty towards Arab settles but this time I feel that there's a master plan of some sort behind all this. I'm not accusing Israeli officials of killing their own people but you know how things are in Israel left wings right wings no wings all sort of people who try to sabotage the other party. Some trying to put pressure on the government some are simply racist bigots. The best way to solve this would be to deeply investigate the crime through national laws instead of these barbaric unlawful actions.

#10 Posted by wis3boi (31472 posts) -

both sides are shit

#11 Edited by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

@wis3boi said:

both sides are shit

How sensitive and considerate of you considering the incident we're discussing here. I'm sure the kid's parents will highly appreciate hearing that from someone at the moment.

#12 Posted by Darkman2007 (17929 posts) -

they shouldn't have beaten him up , they hopefully will get reprimanded for this, although at the same time he shouldn't have been rioting (and he was, his face was covered like the other rioters)

as angry as he might be, he doesn't have the right to destroy public property without expecting to get arrested, and it certainly isn't an excuse for Arabs in other places in the country to riot, which in some cases has resulted in people being attacked for being Jews (as was the case in places like Taibe and Qalanswa)

#13 Posted by TruthTellers (3397 posts) -

Police brutality isn't limited to the US? Shocking...

Give the Israeli police some slack, I'm sure had the roles been reversed and it was Palestinian police and an Israeli detainee that their would have been no beating, it would have just been a beheading with a Scimitar.

#14 Edited by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

@alim298 said:

@GazaAli said:

I wonder where all the tolerant and benevolent people who are all about human rights and human suffering are to all of this. The world is full of shit indeed.

Does this come as a surprise to you? Haven't you read people's posts saying that Iraq deserves what it got? Haven't you heard them saying they're proud to kill a Muslim? Didn't you find it insane that no one tore that mouth up? Brother we are the Yusuf of this era. People who should be our brothers wage war against us. Caravans that pass don't give a damn about the boy in the well.

I think we both can agree that both sides are corrupt. To me there's no such thing as greater evil. In the depths of my hearth I know that eventually this conflict will be over not by IDF or Hamas but by the Jews and Muslims of good virtues and pure hearth and if they don't God has soldiers all over the face of the earth ready to do his bidding. That day we look back and think how silly all this was but I fear for the people involved in all this. They won't get away with it.

superstition aside U.N needs to do something about it. Israel has committed all sort of war crimes and has shown all sort of cruelty towards Arab settles but this time I feel that there's a master plan of some sort behind all this. I'm not accusing Israeli officials of killing their own people but you know how things are in Israel left wings right wings no wings all sort of people who try to sabotage the other party. Some trying to put pressure on the government some are simply racist bigots. The best way to solve this would be to deeply investigate the crime through national laws instead of these barbaric unlawful actions.

Do not mistake this topic for an attempt to change these people's minds. They wouldn't have adopted such deviant and prejudicial mindsets if there was a chance of seeing it changing. This is rather an illustration of their BS, this is all that is to it. This is nothing but a reminder of their disingenuity and deceit the next time they claim progressive thinking and human values. They're too busy worrying about Russia banning public profanity for fuck sake.

And I totally get what you mean by the last paragraph in your post. Considering that all of this violence and unrest came into being right after Abbas attempted to reconcile with Israel's alleged nemesis Hamas as a protestation against the stagnant negotiations with the Israelis and their blatant and flagrant refusal to put an end to unlawful settlements and oppressive policies throughout the Palestinian territories and East Jerusalem. Basically, its the Israelis way of telling Abbas that we can turn the tables on you whenever the fuck we want to so you better behave yourself and come crawling back to us.

#15 Edited by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

@Darkman2007 said:

they shouldn't have beaten him up , they hopefully will get reprimanded for this, although at the same time he shouldn't have been rioting (and he was, his face was covered like the other rioters)

as angry as he might be, he doesn't have the right to destroy public property without expecting to get arrested, and it certainly isn't an excuse for Arabs in other places in the country to riot, which in some cases has resulted in people being attacked for being Jews (as was the case in places like Taibe and Qalanswa)

Maybe if the Israeli police actually did its job INDISCRIMINATELY Arabs across the west bank/East Jerusalem or throughout Israel wouldn't feel compelled to stand up for themselves through rioting either. Better yet, maybe if the IDF didn't exist as an occupying force in the west bank and maybe if settlers weren't allowed to pillage and plunder like savages Arabs wouldn't have anyone to riot against but themselves. But that's really beside the point here. Police is not supposed to beat up someone, period. They didn't even beat him up in order to subdue him or anything. The kid was on the ground already, they had him. Why exactly did they repeatedly stumped his head with their boots and barraged him with punches in the face which resulted in multiple fractures in the jaw and other parts of his body?

I sympathize with Israel's supporters inasmuch as its getting impossible for them to defend Israel. It must be such a heavy burden to defend such an immoral and wicked existence.

#16 Posted by lamprey263 (24246 posts) -

Horrible news, from the murder of the teen to the beating of his cousin.

It is somewhat consolable news to hear the Israelis have arrested right wing extremists in the murder of the teen, as far as the beating of his cousin though I highly doubt anything will come of that.

#17 Posted by Darkman2007 (17929 posts) -
@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:

they shouldn't have beaten him up , they hopefully will get reprimanded for this, although at the same time he shouldn't have been rioting (and he was, his face was covered like the other rioters)

as angry as he might be, he doesn't have the right to destroy public property without expecting to get arrested, and it certainly isn't an excuse for Arabs in other places in the country to riot, which in some cases has resulted in people being attacked for being Jews (as was the case in places like Taibe and Qalanswa)

Maybe if the Israeli police actually did its just INDISCRIMINATELY Arabs across the west bank/East Jerusalem or throughout Israel wouldn't feel compelled to stand up for themselves through rioting either. Better yet, maybe if the IDF didn't exist as an occupying force in the west bank and maybe if settlers weren't allowed to pillage and plunder like savages Arabs wouldn't have anyone to riot against but themselves. But that's really beside the point here. Police is not supposed to beat up someone, period. They didn't even beat him up in order to subdue him or anything. The kid was on the ground already, they had him. Why exactly did they repeatedly stumped his head with their boots and barraged him with punches in the face which resulted in multiple fractures in the jaw and other parts of his body?

I sympathize with Israel's supporters inasmuch as its getting impossible for them to defend Israel. It must be such a heavy burden to defend such an immoral and wicked existence.

since when are any of these places in the West Bank? fact is, they are rioting with very little reason , if we follow your line of reasoning, the vile murderers who killed that kid were justified, since they too could come up with excuses for their violence.

#18 Edited by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

@TruthTellers said:

Police brutality isn't limited to the US? Shocking...

Give the Israeli police some slack, I'm sure had the roles been reversed and it was Palestinian police and an Israeli detainee that their would have been no beating, it would have just been a beheading with a Scimitar.

"Give the Israeli police some slack"
Some of you guys are not in their right mind at all.

The thing about being uninformed is that you tend to spout things that are fallacious and contradictory to reality, thus appearing uneducated and ignorant in general. Palestinian police have repeatedly arrested Israelis in regions under the jurisdiction of the PA and in all of these incidents they have handed them over to Israeli authorities.

#19 Edited by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

@Darkman2007 said:
@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:

they shouldn't have beaten him up , they hopefully will get reprimanded for this, although at the same time he shouldn't have been rioting (and he was, his face was covered like the other rioters)

as angry as he might be, he doesn't have the right to destroy public property without expecting to get arrested, and it certainly isn't an excuse for Arabs in other places in the country to riot, which in some cases has resulted in people being attacked for being Jews (as was the case in places like Taibe and Qalanswa)

Maybe if the Israeli police actually did its just INDISCRIMINATELY Arabs across the west bank/East Jerusalem or throughout Israel wouldn't feel compelled to stand up for themselves through rioting either. Better yet, maybe if the IDF didn't exist as an occupying force in the west bank and maybe if settlers weren't allowed to pillage and plunder like savages Arabs wouldn't have anyone to riot against but themselves. But that's really beside the point here. Police is not supposed to beat up someone, period. They didn't even beat him up in order to subdue him or anything. The kid was on the ground already, they had him. Why exactly did they repeatedly stumped his head with their boots and barraged him with punches in the face which resulted in multiple fractures in the jaw and other parts of his body?

I sympathize with Israel's supporters inasmuch as its getting impossible for them to defend Israel. It must be such a heavy burden to defend such an immoral and wicked existence.

since when are any of these places in the West Bank? fact is, they are rioting with very little reason , if we follow your line of reasoning, the vile murderers who killed that kid were justified, since they too could come up with excuses for their violence.

I wasn't referring to the places you mentioned, I was instead referring to places where settlers have been busy plundering and IDF has been busy wreaking havoc in such as Halhool, Teereh, Ramallah...etc. I was also referring to the fact that before the riots of Jerusalemites in Bab-Al Amood and other suburbs of Eastern Jerusalem, Israeli right-wing nutjobs and radical Jews have been terrorizing Jerusalemites for the past few days which eventually led to the savage killing of that teenage kid. I personally know some people over there that were not able to get out of the house for the past few days. This is why they're rioting basically. And since when is rioting comparable to kidnapping a teenager, torturing him them setting him on fire whilst alive?

But again that's all beside the point of this topic. The point of this topic is the fact that Israeli police repeatedly stomped the head of a teenager with boots and barraged him with punches that resulted in a broken jaw and multiple fractures all over his body, all of which happened after subduing him.

#20 Posted by TruthTellers (3397 posts) -
@GazaAli said:

@TruthTellers said:

Police brutality isn't limited to the US? Shocking...

Give the Israeli police some slack, I'm sure had the roles been reversed and it was Palestinian police and an Israeli detainee that their would have been no beating, it would have just been a beheading with a Scimitar.

"Give the Israeli police some slack"

Some of you guys are not in their right mind at all.

The thing about being uninformed is that you tend to spout things that are fallacious and contradictory to reality, thus appearing uneducated and ignorant in general. Palestinian police have repeatedly arrested Israelis in regions under the jurisdiction of the PA and in all of these incidents they have handed them over to Israeli authorities.

I don't care. For every rocket that gets fired at Israel from Gaza or the West Bank and every innocent Israeli that gets kidnapped and murdered for nothing, Israel should, and has the right to fire 10 more missiles at Palestine.

This issue with a kid getting some sense knocked into him is nothing and really seems like a case of tough love. You see, the Israelis actually love their neighbors so much that their willing to send their men into Palestine and help raise their misguided youths and this beating will toughen the kid up and make him a man.

#21 Edited by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

@TruthTellers said:
@GazaAli said:

@TruthTellers said:

Police brutality isn't limited to the US? Shocking...

Give the Israeli police some slack, I'm sure had the roles been reversed and it was Palestinian police and an Israeli detainee that their would have been no beating, it would have just been a beheading with a Scimitar.

"Give the Israeli police some slack"

Some of you guys are not in their right mind at all.

The thing about being uninformed is that you tend to spout things that are fallacious and contradictory to reality, thus appearing uneducated and ignorant in general. Palestinian police have repeatedly arrested Israelis in regions under the jurisdiction of the PA and in all of these incidents they have handed them over to Israeli authorities.

I don't care. For every rocket that gets fired at Israel from Gaza or the West Bank and every innocent Israeli that gets kidnapped and murdered for nothing, Israel should, and has the right to fire 10 more missiles at Palestine.

This issue with a kid getting some sense knocked into him is nothing and really seems like a case of tough love. You see, the Israelis actually love their neighbors so much that their willing to send their men into Palestine and help raise their misguided youths and this beating will toughen the kid up and make him a man.

Point taken, I now know what I'm dealing with. Should avoid you in future topics.

#22 Posted by TruthTellers (3397 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@TruthTellers said:
@GazaAli said:

@TruthTellers said:

Police brutality isn't limited to the US? Shocking...

Give the Israeli police some slack, I'm sure had the roles been reversed and it was Palestinian police and an Israeli detainee that their would have been no beating, it would have just been a beheading with a Scimitar.

"Give the Israeli police some slack"

Some of you guys are not in their right mind at all.

The thing about being uninformed is that you tend to spout things that are fallacious and contradictory to reality, thus appearing uneducated and ignorant in general. Palestinian police have repeatedly arrested Israelis in regions under the jurisdiction of the PA and in all of these incidents they have handed them over to Israeli authorities.

I don't care. For every rocket that gets fired at Israel from Gaza or the West Bank and every innocent Israeli that gets kidnapped and murdered for nothing, Israel should, and has the right to fire 10 more missiles at Palestine.

This issue with a kid getting some sense knocked into him is nothing and really seems like a case of tough love. You see, the Israelis actually love their neighbors so much that their willing to send their men into Palestine and help raise their misguided youths and this beating will toughen the kid up and make him a man.

Point taken, I now know what I'm dealing with. Should avoid you in future topics.

Yes you should because I'm too much of a man and I wouldn't want you to feel inferior to my machismo.

#23 Posted by Darkman2007 (17929 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:
@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:

they shouldn't have beaten him up , they hopefully will get reprimanded for this, although at the same time he shouldn't have been rioting (and he was, his face was covered like the other rioters)

as angry as he might be, he doesn't have the right to destroy public property without expecting to get arrested, and it certainly isn't an excuse for Arabs in other places in the country to riot, which in some cases has resulted in people being attacked for being Jews (as was the case in places like Taibe and Qalanswa)

Maybe if the Israeli police actually did its just INDISCRIMINATELY Arabs across the west bank/East Jerusalem or throughout Israel wouldn't feel compelled to stand up for themselves through rioting either. Better yet, maybe if the IDF didn't exist as an occupying force in the west bank and maybe if settlers weren't allowed to pillage and plunder like savages Arabs wouldn't have anyone to riot against but themselves. But that's really beside the point here. Police is not supposed to beat up someone, period. They didn't even beat him up in order to subdue him or anything. The kid was on the ground already, they had him. Why exactly did they repeatedly stumped his head with their boots and barraged him with punches in the face which resulted in multiple fractures in the jaw and other parts of his body?

I sympathize with Israel's supporters inasmuch as its getting impossible for them to defend Israel. It must be such a heavy burden to defend such an immoral and wicked existence.

since when are any of these places in the West Bank? fact is, they are rioting with very little reason , if we follow your line of reasoning, the vile murderers who killed that kid were justified, since they too could come up with excuses for their violence.

I wasn't referring to the places you mentioned, I was instead referring to places where settlers have been busy plundering and IDF has been busy wreaking havoc in such as Halhool, Teereh, Ramallah...etc. I was also referring to the fact that before the riots of Jerusalemites in Bab-Al Amood and other suburbs of Eastern Jerusalem, Israeli right-wing nutjobs radical Jews have been terrorizing Jerusalemites for the past few days which led to the savage killing of that teenage kid. I personally know some people over there that were not able to get out of the house for the past few days. This is why they're rioting basically. And since when is rioting comparable to kidnapping a teenager, torturing him them sitting him on fire whilst alive?

But again that's all beside the point of this topic. The point of this topic is the fact that Israeli police repeatedly stomped the head of a teenager with boots and barraged him with punches that resulted in a broken jaw and multiple fractures all over his body.

and yes I think a lot of the ultra right are pretty sick people taking advantage of emotions right now (and this is coming from someone who has alot of family history with the Irgun and the right in general), no doubt about that, that whole thing was led by a bunch of Kahanists.

but right now, the riots are due to the murder of that teenager, that is the reality, and this includes the places Ive mentioned. And Im asking, why should they be allowed to riot? in the last 2 months, 4 Jews (all civilians) were killed by Arabs where the motive was to kill Jews specifically. Does that give me a reason to riot about it? does it justify the ultra right nutcases and their behaviour? I personally don't think so. rioting and murder are not the same, but Im not going to excuse either.

oh and slight mistake on your part, look up the Ramallah lynch to see an example of the PA police not being the nicest to say the least.

Ive already stated what my opinion is regarding that teenager.

#24 Edited by sSubZerOo (43216 posts) -

... I am usually the first one that will openly criticize Israeli government and their policies, but I am more leaning towards the Israeli side of things on this one.. Reports also stated that he openly resisted the Israeli forces and was found with a slingshot in which he used to launch rocks at the police forces.. To me that narrative makes more sense, this kid thought it was a good idea to go from the United States to West Bank to protest.. Even if it was his cousin that was killed, what parent would allow this kid to go there at a time like this? I mean really? To me that sounds like he was looking for trouble and a way to drum up political outrage even further with a new martyr..

#25 Edited by alim298 (1469 posts) -

@sSubZerOo said:

... I am usually the first one that will openly criticize Israeli government and their policies, but I am more leaning towards the Israeli side of things on this one.. Reports also stated that he openly resisted the Israeli forces and was found with a slingshot in which he used to launch rocks at the police forces.. To me that narrative makes more sense, this kid thought it was a good idea to go from the United States to West Bank to protest.. Even if it was his cousin that was killed, what parent would allow this kid to go there at a time like this? I mean really? To me that sounds like he was looking for trouble and a way to drum up political outrage even further with a new martyr..

And all that justifies beating him beyond submission?

#26 Posted by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

@alim298 said:

@sSubZerOo said:

... I am usually the first one that will openly criticize Israeli government and their policies, but I am more leaning towards the Israeli side of things on this one.. Reports also stated that he openly resisted the Israeli forces and was found with a slingshot in which he used to launch rocks at the police forces.. To me that narrative makes more sense, this kid thought it was a good idea to go from the United States to West Bank to protest.. Even if it was his cousin that was killed, what parent would allow this kid to go there at a time like this? I mean really? To me that sounds like he was looking for trouble and a way to drum up political outrage even further with a new martyr..

And all that justifies beating him beyond submission?

It is strange how some people are missing this rather clear and straightforward point.

#27 Edited by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

@Darkman2007 said:

@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:
@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:

they shouldn't have beaten him up , they hopefully will get reprimanded for this, although at the same time he shouldn't have been rioting (and he was, his face was covered like the other rioters)

as angry as he might be, he doesn't have the right to destroy public property without expecting to get arrested, and it certainly isn't an excuse for Arabs in other places in the country to riot, which in some cases has resulted in people being attacked for being Jews (as was the case in places like Taibe and Qalanswa)

Maybe if the Israeli police actually did its just INDISCRIMINATELY Arabs across the west bank/East Jerusalem or throughout Israel wouldn't feel compelled to stand up for themselves through rioting either. Better yet, maybe if the IDF didn't exist as an occupying force in the west bank and maybe if settlers weren't allowed to pillage and plunder like savages Arabs wouldn't have anyone to riot against but themselves. But that's really beside the point here. Police is not supposed to beat up someone, period. They didn't even beat him up in order to subdue him or anything. The kid was on the ground already, they had him. Why exactly did they repeatedly stumped his head with their boots and barraged him with punches in the face which resulted in multiple fractures in the jaw and other parts of his body?

I sympathize with Israel's supporters inasmuch as its getting impossible for them to defend Israel. It must be such a heavy burden to defend such an immoral and wicked existence.

since when are any of these places in the West Bank? fact is, they are rioting with very little reason , if we follow your line of reasoning, the vile murderers who killed that kid were justified, since they too could come up with excuses for their violence.

I wasn't referring to the places you mentioned, I was instead referring to places where settlers have been busy plundering and IDF has been busy wreaking havoc in such as Halhool, Teereh, Ramallah...etc. I was also referring to the fact that before the riots of Jerusalemites in Bab-Al Amood and other suburbs of Eastern Jerusalem, Israeli right-wing nutjobs radical Jews have been terrorizing Jerusalemites for the past few days which led to the savage killing of that teenage kid. I personally know some people over there that were not able to get out of the house for the past few days. This is why they're rioting basically. And since when is rioting comparable to kidnapping a teenager, torturing him them sitting him on fire whilst alive?

But again that's all beside the point of this topic. The point of this topic is the fact that Israeli police repeatedly stomped the head of a teenager with boots and barraged him with punches that resulted in a broken jaw and multiple fractures all over his body.

and yes I think a lot of the ultra right are pretty sick people taking advantage of emotions right now (and this is coming from someone who has alot of family history with the Irgun and the right in general), no doubt about that, that whole thing was led by a bunch of Kahanists.

but right now, the riots are due to the murder of that teenager, that is the reality, and this includes the places Ive mentioned. And Im asking, why should they be allowed to riot? in the last 2 months, 4 Jews (all civilians) were killed by Arabs where the motive was to kill Jews specifically. Does that give me a reason to riot about it? does it justify the ultra right nutcases and their behaviour? I personally don't think so. rioting and murder are not the same, but Im not going to excuse either.

oh and slight mistake on your part, look up the Ramallah lynch to see an example of the PA police not being the nicest to say the least.

Ive already stated what my opinion is regarding that teenager.

The riots are due to the murder of that teenager true. But they're also retaliation against Jews' plundering and terrorizing of Jerusalemites following the death of the 3 teenage settlers, and the usual raids of settlers in the west bank. And regarding those 4 Jews you're talking about, I personally know of 3 of them who are the 3 settler teenagers that were killed recently. I do not condone it at all, but maybe Israel needs to stop stealing others' land and establishing illegal and unlawful settlements on them. That would definitely diminish the incentive to kill Jews as you put it and it would reduce the friction between the people that are being deprived of their own land and the perpetrators. Maybe Jews should refrain from living in those settlements if they're concerned about their safety. But again, why are you so fixated on riots? Its irrelevant to Israeli's brutality.

The Ramallah lynch is nothing but an anecdote. Would you confidently attempt to contend the statement that I made that Palestinian police almost always hands over Israeli citizens and even members of the IDF or other branches of the Israeli military and intelligence services that come to its custody by being in regions under the jurisdiction of the PA? It does not necessarily do it out of benevolence and good faith, it mostly fears the savagery and barbarism of Israeli retaliation.

#28 Posted by pie-junior (2846 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

The thing about being uninformed is that you tend to spout things that are fallacious and contradictory to reality, thus appearing uneducated and ignorant in general. Palestinian police have repeatedly arrested Israelis in regions under the jurisdiction of the PA and in all of these incidents they have handed them over to Israeli authorities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Ramallah_lynching

#29 Posted by Darkman2007 (17929 posts) -
@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:

@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:
@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:

they shouldn't have beaten him up , they hopefully will get reprimanded for this, although at the same time he shouldn't have been rioting (and he was, his face was covered like the other rioters)

as angry as he might be, he doesn't have the right to destroy public property without expecting to get arrested, and it certainly isn't an excuse for Arabs in other places in the country to riot, which in some cases has resulted in people being attacked for being Jews (as was the case in places like Taibe and Qalanswa)

Maybe if the Israeli police actually did its just INDISCRIMINATELY Arabs across the west bank/East Jerusalem or throughout Israel wouldn't feel compelled to stand up for themselves through rioting either. Better yet, maybe if the IDF didn't exist as an occupying force in the west bank and maybe if settlers weren't allowed to pillage and plunder like savages Arabs wouldn't have anyone to riot against but themselves. But that's really beside the point here. Police is not supposed to beat up someone, period. They didn't even beat him up in order to subdue him or anything. The kid was on the ground already, they had him. Why exactly did they repeatedly stumped his head with their boots and barraged him with punches in the face which resulted in multiple fractures in the jaw and other parts of his body?

I sympathize with Israel's supporters inasmuch as its getting impossible for them to defend Israel. It must be such a heavy burden to defend such an immoral and wicked existence.

since when are any of these places in the West Bank? fact is, they are rioting with very little reason , if we follow your line of reasoning, the vile murderers who killed that kid were justified, since they too could come up with excuses for their violence.

I wasn't referring to the places you mentioned, I was instead referring to places where settlers have been busy plundering and IDF has been busy wreaking havoc in such as Halhool, Teereh, Ramallah...etc. I was also referring to the fact that before the riots of Jerusalemites in Bab-Al Amood and other suburbs of Eastern Jerusalem, Israeli right-wing nutjobs radical Jews have been terrorizing Jerusalemites for the past few days which led to the savage killing of that teenage kid. I personally know some people over there that were not able to get out of the house for the past few days. This is why they're rioting basically. And since when is rioting comparable to kidnapping a teenager, torturing him them sitting him on fire whilst alive?

But again that's all beside the point of this topic. The point of this topic is the fact that Israeli police repeatedly stomped the head of a teenager with boots and barraged him with punches that resulted in a broken jaw and multiple fractures all over his body.

and yes I think a lot of the ultra right are pretty sick people taking advantage of emotions right now (and this is coming from someone who has alot of family history with the Irgun and the right in general), no doubt about that, that whole thing was led by a bunch of Kahanists.

but right now, the riots are due to the murder of that teenager, that is the reality, and this includes the places Ive mentioned. And Im asking, why should they be allowed to riot? in the last 2 months, 4 Jews (all civilians) were killed by Arabs where the motive was to kill Jews specifically. Does that give me a reason to riot about it? does it justify the ultra right nutcases and their behaviour? I personally don't think so. rioting and murder are not the same, but Im not going to excuse either.

oh and slight mistake on your part, look up the Ramallah lynch to see an example of the PA police not being the nicest to say the least.

Ive already stated what my opinion is regarding that teenager.

The riots are due to the murder of that teenager true. But they're also retaliation against Jews' plundering and terrorizing of Jerusalemites following the death of the 3 teenage settlers. And regarding those 4 Jews you're talking about, I personally know of 3 of them who are the 3 settler teenagers that were killed recently. I do not condone it at all, but maybe Israel needs to stop stealing others' land and establishing illegal and unlawful settlements on them. That would definitely diminish the incentive to kill Jews as you put it and it would reduce the friction between the people that are being deprived of their own land and the perpetrators. Maybe Jews should refrain from living in those settlements if they're concerned about their safety.

The Ramallah lynch is nothing but an anecdote. Would you confidently attempt to contend the statement that I made that Palestinian police almost always hand over Israeli citizens and even members of the IDF or other branches of the Israeli military and intelligence services? It does not necessarily do it out of benevolence and good faith, it simply fears the savagery and barbarism of Israeli retaliation.

lol, by this logic the Kahanists have every right to kill Arabs after all , they could just go live in Jordan , its really no different, those 3 were born there, they didn't come live there yesterday, they were also civilians.

Also , you and I both know that as far as Hamas is concerned (and apparently the suspects are Hamas members , regardless whether Hamas' authority authorised it), the fate of Ma'ale Edumim is the same as Haifa, Bat Yam , Yavne or Netanya. the excuse of "don't live here or there" isn't a good explanation.

anecdote or not it happened, and it was a big deal at the time, though I honestly haven't looked too deeply into the conduct of the PA police.

#30 Posted by pie-junior (2846 posts) -

ITT: ali doesn't understand that the american public is constantly bombarded with images of similar actions done by american police to american citizens, and so does not understand why noone is as outraged as him

#31 Edited by pie-junior (2846 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

That would definitely diminish the incentive to kill Jews as you put it and it would reduce the friction between the people that are being deprived of their own land and the perpetrators. Maybe Jews should refrain from living in those settlements if they're concerned about their safety. But again, why are you so fixated on riots? Its irrelevant to Israeli's brutality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_fedayeen

because Palestinian murder of Israelis began after the 1967 occupation

#32 Posted by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

@Darkman2007 said:
@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:

@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:
@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:

they shouldn't have beaten him up , they hopefully will get reprimanded for this, although at the same time he shouldn't have been rioting (and he was, his face was covered like the other rioters)

as angry as he might be, he doesn't have the right to destroy public property without expecting to get arrested, and it certainly isn't an excuse for Arabs in other places in the country to riot, which in some cases has resulted in people being attacked for being Jews (as was the case in places like Taibe and Qalanswa)

Maybe if the Israeli police actually did its just INDISCRIMINATELY Arabs across the west bank/East Jerusalem or throughout Israel wouldn't feel compelled to stand up for themselves through rioting either. Better yet, maybe if the IDF didn't exist as an occupying force in the west bank and maybe if settlers weren't allowed to pillage and plunder like savages Arabs wouldn't have anyone to riot against but themselves. But that's really beside the point here. Police is not supposed to beat up someone, period. They didn't even beat him up in order to subdue him or anything. The kid was on the ground already, they had him. Why exactly did they repeatedly stumped his head with their boots and barraged him with punches in the face which resulted in multiple fractures in the jaw and other parts of his body?

I sympathize with Israel's supporters inasmuch as its getting impossible for them to defend Israel. It must be such a heavy burden to defend such an immoral and wicked existence.

since when are any of these places in the West Bank? fact is, they are rioting with very little reason , if we follow your line of reasoning, the vile murderers who killed that kid were justified, since they too could come up with excuses for their violence.

I wasn't referring to the places you mentioned, I was instead referring to places where settlers have been busy plundering and IDF has been busy wreaking havoc in such as Halhool, Teereh, Ramallah...etc. I was also referring to the fact that before the riots of Jerusalemites in Bab-Al Amood and other suburbs of Eastern Jerusalem, Israeli right-wing nutjobs radical Jews have been terrorizing Jerusalemites for the past few days which led to the savage killing of that teenage kid. I personally know some people over there that were not able to get out of the house for the past few days. This is why they're rioting basically. And since when is rioting comparable to kidnapping a teenager, torturing him them sitting him on fire whilst alive?

But again that's all beside the point of this topic. The point of this topic is the fact that Israeli police repeatedly stomped the head of a teenager with boots and barraged him with punches that resulted in a broken jaw and multiple fractures all over his body.

and yes I think a lot of the ultra right are pretty sick people taking advantage of emotions right now (and this is coming from someone who has alot of family history with the Irgun and the right in general), no doubt about that, that whole thing was led by a bunch of Kahanists.

but right now, the riots are due to the murder of that teenager, that is the reality, and this includes the places Ive mentioned. And Im asking, why should they be allowed to riot? in the last 2 months, 4 Jews (all civilians) were killed by Arabs where the motive was to kill Jews specifically. Does that give me a reason to riot about it? does it justify the ultra right nutcases and their behaviour? I personally don't think so. rioting and murder are not the same, but Im not going to excuse either.

oh and slight mistake on your part, look up the Ramallah lynch to see an example of the PA police not being the nicest to say the least.

Ive already stated what my opinion is regarding that teenager.

The riots are due to the murder of that teenager true. But they're also retaliation against Jews' plundering and terrorizing of Jerusalemites following the death of the 3 teenage settlers. And regarding those 4 Jews you're talking about, I personally know of 3 of them who are the 3 settler teenagers that were killed recently. I do not condone it at all, but maybe Israel needs to stop stealing others' land and establishing illegal and unlawful settlements on them. That would definitely diminish the incentive to kill Jews as you put it and it would reduce the friction between the people that are being deprived of their own land and the perpetrators. Maybe Jews should refrain from living in those settlements if they're concerned about their safety.

The Ramallah lynch is nothing but an anecdote. Would you confidently attempt to contend the statement that I made that Palestinian police almost always hand over Israeli citizens and even members of the IDF or other branches of the Israeli military and intelligence services? It does not necessarily do it out of benevolence and good faith, it simply fears the savagery and barbarism of Israeli retaliation.

lol, by this logic the Kahanists have every right to kill Arabs after all , they could just go live in Jordan , its really no different, those 3 were born there, they didn't come live there yesterday, they were also civilians.

Also , you and I both know that as far as Hamas is concerned (and apparently the suspects are Hamas members , regardless whether Hamas' authority authorised it), the fate of Ma'ale Edumim is the same as Haifa, Bat Yam , Yavne or Netanya. the excuse of "don't live here or there" isn't a good explanation.

anecdote or not it happened, and it was a big deal at the time, though I honestly haven't looked too deeply into the conduct of the PA police.

Let me then take a step back and ask you, what are your views on settlements scattered around the west bank? What do you think of the conduct of settlers throughout the west bank? How exactly is it no different? Just because there are two versions of a story or just because there are two rationalizations of some situation does not automatically validate or invalidate both. Israelis have a state, its called Israel. It has definite boundaries and it is internationally recognized with embassies in virtually every other recognized state in the world and diplomatic relations. I ask you, is the west bank a part of that state? No? Then what the fuck are settlers doing there? Aren't the lands that settlements are built on Palestinian ones? Aren't they internationally recognized as so? Aren't Israeli settlement activities internationally denounced and condemned? How is it no different then?

What Hamas thinks or does not think concerns Hamas and it has little bearing to reality. Hamas can think whatever the fuck it wants to think about the fate of Netanya, it won't be able to do shit about it anyway. So this is a valid explanation and a sound strategy for the protection of Israeli citizens. Israel seems to be strangely obsessive with this strategy. They don't want us here so we might as well take all the land for ourselves. Why don't you mind your own business for once, give us the scraps you're screwing us over for and then see what happens? How many Israeli citizens have been killed on Israeli soil during the past several years? Better yet, how many Israelis have been killed in the west bank with all the shit settlers and the IDF alike have been doing there? Take those numbers and compare them to the Palestinian death toll and then come back to me and say its no different.

Yes it happened and yes it is an anecdote so there isn't much to be said about it.

#33 Posted by mattykovax (22693 posts) -

Umm yeah I will probably get modded but I think all religious nuts including in America should be rounded up and dealt with. And that is the middle east in a nutshell. Same as America is territory and I think all American/Canadian/Mexican nationalists should be rounded up. And dealt with. I have no issue with differences but tolerance should be standard. If you cant tolerate others you prove yourself unworthy. Which applies to both isralites and palestiniens.

#34 Edited by pie-junior (2846 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

Yes it happened and yes it is an anecdote so there isn't much to be said about it.

so is the OP

#35 Edited by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

@pie-junior said:

@GazaAli said:

Yes it happened and yes it is an anecdote so there isn't much to be said about it.

so is the OP

You make me laugh my good sir.

#36 Posted by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

@mattykovax said:

Umm yeah I will probably get modded but I think all religious nuts including in America should be rounded up and dealt with. And that is the middle east in a nutshell. Same as America is territory and I think all American/Canadian/Mexican nationalists should be rounded up. And dealt with. I have no issue with differences but tolerance should be standard. If you cant tolerate others you prove yourself unworthy. Which applies to both isralites and palestiniens.

It won't get you modded it would more likely just label you as nonsensical and incoherent.

#37 Posted by toast_burner (21791 posts) -

The video leaves many questions unanswered. But since they already had him restrained there was absolutely no need for any violence.

#38 Posted by RadecSupreme (4683 posts) -

This is wrong, but you know what? The Palestinians always start this shit. Like they usually do. Like holy shit, i'm sick and fucking tired of Hamas and the Palestinians always starting shit then pointing fingers at the Israeli when they retaliate. Palestinians should not have kidnapped and kill the 3 teens. Now they'll have to deal with the consequences as sad and violent as they are. For every action, there's a reaction.

#39 Posted by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

The video leaves many questions unanswered. But since they already had him restrained there was absolutely no need for any violence.

I'd like to hear some of these unanswered questions, assuming that they pertain to the brutal beating the kid received that is. Because you're not the first one to say that in this topic and I have to say I'm kind of lost.

#40 Posted by mattykovax (22693 posts) -

@GazaAli:

But it makes sense. there is no difference there but religion. I live in an apartment complex with not only three different "races" or colors but differences in religion and language in those that are the same in the "race" sense. And we all get along. yet in that patch of the middle east people that have the same damn genetic code to the dot fight and kill over who is the actual descendant of Abraham. Fucking stupid and I make a lot more sense than both sides. call me stupid, but I have learned and adapted to friend and respect those who are radically different than me when all you over their are killing each other (muslims do it too, I wish I had a guidebook for all the different sects and opinions that fight, like Iraq before the US even got involved) that are pretty much you in mirror mode.

That where I say I will probably be modded, the middle east is a bunch of childish idiots.......go for it though......islam or Judaism will never truly win when you kill your brothers while we actually make bridges through all facets of humanity.....

#41 Posted by toast_burner (21791 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

The video leaves many questions unanswered. But since they already had him restrained there was absolutely no need for any violence.

I'd like to hear some of these unanswered questions, assuming that they pertain to the brutal beating the kid received that is. Because you're not the first one to say that in this topic and I have to say I'm kind of lost.

Well it just shows them beating him. It doesn't explain why he was there and what he was doing. as far as we know he was pissed off about what happened to his cousin and attacked them . But like I said in the end it doesn't matter that much, they already had him face down on the ground.

#42 Posted by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

@RadecSupreme said:

This is wrong, but you know what? The Palestinians always start this shit. Like they usually do. Like holy shit, i'm sick and fucking tired of Hamas and the Palestinians always starting shit then pointing fingers at the Israeli when they retaliate. Palestinians should not have kidnapped and kill the 3 teens. Now they'll have to deal with the consequences as sad and violent as they are. For every action, there's a reaction.

Your line of reasoning may hold have some truth and logic into it if Israel was not an occupying force, did not control Palestinian territories with an iron fist, did not exert shitload of oppression and injustice against Palestinians and was not depriving them of most of their rights. But as things stand it is a fallacious rationale and line of thinking. Its like an Englishman saying that Americans shouldn't stir shit up and then complain about the consequences back before the independence of the U.S. Its amazing how the world forgot about what it means to be occupied.

#43 Edited by Darkman2007 (17929 posts) -

@GazaAli:

my views on the settlements are complex , officially, that area is part of the geographic land of Israel , and what they are doing is mostly lawful under Israeli law . I honestly don't care much for "internationally recognized borders" or what a piece of paper in New York or Geneva says. officially Gaza has no recognised borders or statehood and yet it is very much a de facto state. on the other hand, look at old maps and you will find countries that had recognized borders and yet do not exist (like Czechoslovakia or the USSR) . So Im not too bothered by what the "world" says. the "world" also used to claim that the Earth the flat, so what? was that also absolute truth?. I would certainly not wave international law in the face of the settler movement since they only really accept two laws, state and religious.

on the other hand, I don't think they are right , at the end of the day , if we wanted to really claim it ,it would have to be annexed, and I don't want that given that multiethnic states tend to fail (and Im not a big fan of genocide). so I generally don't tend to agree with the movement over everything , even if I know they aren't the core of the problem, they are making the Gordian knot worse, so to speak.

you are right that Hamas can't wipe the Jews out no matter what it boasts, but at the same time, it will keep on fighting in the long term . They already control half of the proposed Palestine, what stops the weak PA from falling the same way the minute the IDF leaves? can you or anyone guarantee otherwise? I don't think so. If that is the scenario , then what is the point of withdrawing from anywhere? the last 2 times Israel retreated from anywhere, it was attacked (whether from Lebanon by Hezbollah , or Gaza by Hamas)

in an ideal situation , the infamous Oslo process ( or its aims) would work , and I would have supported its basic aims. but its not as simple as that.

#44 Posted by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

@mattykovax said:

@GazaAli:

But it makes sense. there is no difference there but religion. I live in an apartment complex with not only three different "races" or colors but differences in religion and language in those that are the same in the "race" sense. And we all get along. yet in that patch of the middle east people that have the same damn genetic code to the dot fight and kill over who is the actual descendant of Abraham. Fucking stupid and I make a lot more sense than both sides. call me stupid, but I have learned and adapted to friend and respect those who are radically different than me when all you over their are killing each other (muslims do it too, I wish I had a guidebook for all the different sects and opinions that fight, like Iraq before the US even got involved) that are pretty much you in mirror mode.

That where I say I will probably be modded, the middle east is a bunch of childish idiots.......go for it though......islam or Judaism will never truly win when you kill your brothers while we actually make bridges through all facets of humanity.....

Yea...none of that makes any sense in light of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as it exists on the ground. It just goes to show your complete ignorance about it. There's nothing wrong with being ignorant about something. You can always choose to educate yourself on it but in the case that you chose not to that's fine too. But what's not fine and is wrong when you speak of and make judgements about something you're ignorant about. Seriously just turn away.

#45 Posted by GazaAli (23031 posts) -

@Darkman2007 said:

@GazaAli:

my views on the settlements are complex , officially, that area is part of the geographic land of Israel , and what they are doing is mostly lawful under Israeli law . I honestly don't care much for "internationally recognized borders" or what a piece of paper in New York or Geneva says. officially Gaza has no recognised borders or statehood and yet it is very much a de facto state. on the other hand, look at old maps and you will find countries that had recognized borders and yet do not exist (like Czechoslovakia or the USSR) . So Im not too bothered by what the "world" says. the "world" also used to claim that the Earth the flat, so what? was that also absolute truth?. I would certainly not wave international law in the face of the settler movement since they only really accept two laws, state and religious.

on the other hand, I don't think they are right , at the end of the day , if we wanted to really claim it ,it would have to be annexed, and I don't want that given that multiethnic states tend to fail (and Im not a big fan of genocide). so I generally don't tend to agree with the movement over everything , even if I know they aren't the core of the problem, they are making the Gordian knot worse, so to speak.

you are right that Hamas can't wipe the Jews out no matter what it boasts, but at the same time, it will keep on fighting in the long term . They already control half of the proposed Palestine, what stops the weak PA from falling the same way the minute the IDF leaves? can you or anyone guarantee otherwise? I don't think so. If that is the scenario , then what is the point of withdrawing from anywhere? the last 2 times Israel retreated from anywhere, it was attacked (whether from Lebanon by Hezbollah , or Gaza by Hamas)

In that case Israel does not have the right to exist. It exists as a reality, but it is not lawful or morally sound. It is neither rightful nor legitimate, two claims that seem to have always been the backbone of the Israeli state. In which case, people who want Israel to be wiped out from the face of the earth aren't that insane after all.

How is that area part of the land of Israel exactly? And how is it lawful? If its really lawful then Israel is a state that officially endorses plundering pillaging. Israel is free to do so, but it cannot do so and claim moral superiority and progressiveness, which seem to have always been the main selling points of Israel for acceptance and support of world's powers. Also, Israel would have never existed without international support, specially that of the world's powers. The existence of Israel will always rely on that so I'm not sure if you can really give the finger to world's powers and players and just not give a shit about what they think.

#46 Edited by Darkman2007 (17929 posts) -

@GazaAli:

personally I don't think any state has a "right" to exist other than it being able to survive, In the Middle East especially, a state's ability to survive relies on the concept of "I can't beat him , therefore I will leave him alone " , as opposed to some piece of paper that says otherwise. I don't think Saddat signed a peace treaty because he somehow became a committed Zionist, he did it because he realized he cannot destroy it, and also wanted to escape the Soviet camp and saw peace as a way to ally with the US (and it worked). Likewise Assad kept the border quiet for 40 years not because of the kindness of his heart, but because he was scared of Israel's military strength.

now internally, yes , people can certainly create rights and privileges indicating why they deserve a state, but the truth of the matter is that they are just that, internal , the Romans believed they had a right to rule an empire and "civilize" the barbarians, and yet when they couldn't defend it anymore , it fell regardless of their convictions. Its about achieving those convictions, not the convictions themselves (although to be fair the Roman empire fell just as much because of internal corruption and civil wars, as opposed pressure from outside)

look at it in another example, suppose that Da'ash actually tries to invade Jordan and actually gains some territory (in theory) , Israel will most likely attack Da'ash to save Jordan. Now do you think it will do that because it believes Jordan has a "right" to exist? of course not, it will do it because Israel considers Jordan as a buffer state. At the end of the day , its interests that dictate whether states will uphold other states' right to exist.

Do I think those genocidal people are insane? if they are it is more so because they fail to recognize what Saddat or King Hussein did and having grandiose dreams that they know deep down ,they can't achieve.

define international support? if you are talking about some piece of paper then no it didn't, as no piece of paper would have helped the Jews had the Arabs won in 1948 for instance. If you are talking about aliances such as with the French in the 1950s , or the US from the 70s onwards, then that is different, and purely depends on whether states bound their alliances according to liberal values. If they do then I could say they are hypocritical , as those same nations trade and ally with countries like China for instance.

btw the question of how the West Bank could be part of the land of Israel, could be turned into "why alot of Palestinians consider Safed to be part of Palestine" not necessarily politically but geographically? its the same idea, it doesn't refer to a political unit, but to a geographical one.

#47 Posted by Hiddai (6086 posts) -

I wanted to post this event few weeks ago before this "balagan" started and have a topic on the 3 teens who were kidnapped but i was like prefering not to because i would probably get bashed with comments such as F--- Israel...

Now there is a mess since the jewish extremists did what they did (which i oppose to no doubt) in respond to the no-less brutal murdering of the 3 Israeli teens. This post may got posted in a time that could a bit distorting the full picture of the whole chain of events.

#48 Posted by Solaryellow (489 posts) -

From what I have seen in the past two weeks or so, more people (our gov't included) are more concerned with a thug, who learned a hard lesson in life, rather than the three boys who were murdered by Hamas. One was also an American with dual citizenship.

#49 Posted by lostrib (37805 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

Its strange that this isn't getting any substantial coverage and international attention. I wonder where all the tolerant and benevolent people who are all about human rights and human suffering are to all of this. The world is full of shit indeed.

Nobody panics when things go according to "plan".

#50 Posted by byof_america (1389 posts) -

I asked 4 years ago why the heck we're supporting such a vicious state like Israel and here I am today still wondering the same thing. It seems like they're trying to speed along some Torah and Biblical prophecies through instigating war and trying to force the Big Man's hand.