chess or starcraft, which one do you think needs more skill?

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[QUOTE="gameboy343"]

you can say this about anything though.

DJ-Lafleur

No, not really. Most video games can be mastered fairly easily. Just ask me about BF3.

Chess is not so easily mastered.

have you actually beena part of any competitive scene for any video game, out of curiosity? Saying that most video games can be mastered fairly easy is just wrong.

chess no question.

neither is starcraft 2, I'm not saying which one is harder, but saying you can easily master starcraft 2 is just stupid. and lol at comparing starcraft to bf.Lonelynight

The fact still remains that StarCraft 2 is easier to master than Chess.

have you actually beena part of any competitive scene for any video game, out of curiosity? Saying that most video games can be mastered fairly easy is just wrong.

DJ-Lafleur

CS:S and C&C Generals when I was younger.

Compared to Chess, yes they can be. I've been playing Chess most of my life and I haven't mastered the game.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="punkpunker"]

chess no question.

worlock77

What physical skills does Starcraft require that Chess does not?

High apm. At least if you're playing against decent players. Have you seen professional players at it?

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]But there are even more moves in StarcraftZeviander

chess...and a videogame....

wat

Chess. Strategically, it's like comparing a puddle to the Mariana's Trench. The only thing that makes it close is that Starcraft requires good reflexes and high APM. Chess is just a much much more strategically complex game. If I devoted my entire life to Starcraft 2, I think I could make High Masters/Grand Masters. I could never compete at that level in something like chess.

well starcraft does require some speed, and chess does not (unless of course you are playing speed chess). Both are great though because they are games that allow you to outhink your opponent.

I'm gonna say starcraft because there are three different types armies you have to master all with different play styles where as chess only has one.

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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"] chess only needs intelligence, while starcraft requires both intelligence and physical skills.Neoklondiak

What physical skills does Starcraft require that Chess does not?

High apm. At least if you're playing against decent players. Have you seen professional players at it?

Frankly, no. I'd rather watch ants f*ck than sit around and watch other people play video games.

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"] chess only needs intelligence, while starcraft requires both intelligence and physical skills.GhoX

I'd be biased seeing how I haven't really played much of Starcraft II at all, so I can't fully appreciate the full depth of it, bu I do know Chess is a truly difficult game to master. And of course OP, as an Asian (I think) you would pick Starcraft :P.

Chess. Dear god, by far chess. Starcraft requires quick reactions and physical agility, but the amount of outcomes and possibilities is significantly more limited than those in chess. The fact professional players get defeated by cheese tactics and rushes just proves that - I'd like to see a professional chess player getting defeated by a scholar's mate.

I've seen top Starcraft professionals that aren't absolute geniuses in their medium. I've yet to see a top-tier professional chess player that isn't a genius.

Don't think they're directly comparable. Plus you need to define what you mean by skill.

Chess is a symmetrical game in which someone can take as long as he/she wants for a move, over time and experience can memorize different offenses/strategies, and recall different patterns of piece positions, while having vision of the other team's plans the entire time.

Starcraft, time is very important, APM (while a flawed metric, still important to have a baseline APM to perform different moves, something that will deterorate over time, meaning you cant have a professional for decades, which you can with chess grand masters), fog of war inhibits your ability to counter the opponent's moves, and different races makes it less symmetrical.

Speed chess would change this a little.

I would say you would need a greater genetic predisposition to play starcraft versus chess (the ability to make fast decisions, chess does not need this). Physically, both "mastered" require different physical traits, with starcraft's more demanding, but not to the point that it makes a difference when "mastered". Tactically, chess can be more of a recall sport, where a player is famililar with a situation they have previously been in, or seen. This is also possible with Starcraft, but because the board both has fog of war, different sized maps, and different spawning locations, it's hard to judge these two different "sports".

I'd say it's inconclusive, but Starcraft could have a slight edge.

Edit: I totally forgot about balance issues, which greatly affects starcraft. Strategies can be much more limited in cases of balance and the matchup, meaning starcraft could be more flawed, and allow a weaker player beat a stronger player more often than probability should predeict; something chess avoids. One could argue balance issues makes starcraft more difficult to master, due to constant mini changes and overcoming harder odds. I think it just makes it harder to compare to chess.

They require differnt skill sets. Chess is probably more skill based in a purely strategic sense, but when you factor in the insane level of dexterity it takes to be a high level starcraft player it at least somewhat levels the playing field.

Chess is easy I think.

In Chess If you follow certain rules and use your memory then you will get a high rating. A few of these rules are:

1. Don't move the same piece twice in the opening.

2. Develop knights before bishops.

3. Castle early to protect your king.

4. Don't push pawns in front of your king. The pawn cover protects the king.

5. In the opening you must strive to control the center of the board (the squares e4, e5, d4, d5)

6. Knights are stronger in the center of the board than on the rim because on the center the knight controls 8 squares and has access to all the four parts of the board and this where most of the action takes place.

7. It is always good to capture toward the center.

8. Don't move the Queen too early in the opening.

9. Bishops are good in open games when there are none of your own pawns blocking them (in Chess you own pieces can be your own enemy) while knights are good in closed games because knights can jump over the pawns while bishops can't.

10. A bishop pair (a pair of two bishops) is usually a small advantage (+50 centipawns) over knight + bishop or two knights because with the bishop pair you can control all the 64 squares of the board.

10. Double pawns are a weakness because they cannot protect one another and also they block each other from advancing.

11. Passed pawns can be a decisive advantage, especially in the endgame when there are few pieces left. So if you have a passed pawn, you must strive to reach the 8th rank because in the 8th rank and in the 1st rank a pawn can transform into a Queen. If you have a pawn majority on one side of the board then you can usually create a passed pawn.

If you are a really serious about Chess, then you must get Chessmaster: the Art of learning.

http://chessmaster.us.ubi.com/xi/index.php

Chess is easy I think.

In Chess If you follow certain rules and use your memory then you will get a high rating. A few of these rules are:

1. Don't move the same piece twice in the opening.

2. Develop knights before bishops.

3. Castle early to protect your king.

4. Don't push pawns in front of your king. The pawn cover protects the king.

5. In the opening you must strive to control the center of the board (the squares e4, e5, d4, d5)

6. Knights are stronger in the center than on the rim because on the rim the knight controls 8 squares and has access to all the four parts of the board.

7. It is always good to capture toward the center.

8. Don't move the Queen too early in the opening.

9. Bishops are good in open games when there are none of your own pawn blocking them (in Chess you own pieces can be your own enemy) can while knights are good in closed games because knights can jump over the pawns.

10. Double pawns are a weakness because they cannot protect one another and also they block each other from advancing.

11. Passed pawns can be a decisive advantage, especially in the endgame when there are few pieces left. So if you have a passed pawn, you must strive to reach the 8th rank because in the 8th rank and in the 1st rank a pawn can transform into a Queen.

If you are a really serious about Chess, then you must get Chessmaster: the Art of learning:

http://chessmaster.us.ubi.com/xi/index.php

pariah3

It's the same in Starcraft, but the thing is that at the end of the day you can just spam flood your opponent with fodder, Chess forces you to think over every move to death or face massive consequences. chaplainDMK

Yes but for Super-Grandmasters like Viswanathan Anand or Garry Kasparov who are rated above 2800 ELO it takes only 2 seconds to find the best move. These people are so trained in the game and have such a good memory so that they can already recognize the recurring patterns of the game.

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]It's the same in Starcraft, but the thing is that at the end of the day you can just spam flood your opponent with fodder, Chess forces you to think over every move to death or face massive consequences. pariah3

Yes but for Super-Grandmasters like Viswanathan Anand or Garry Kasparov who are rated above 2800 ELO it take only 2 seconds to find the best move. These people are so experienced in the game and have such a good memory so that can already the recurring patterns of the game.

There's RTS that take more significantly more skill than that old Dune II clone.

Not saying it doesn't take skill to play Starcraft competitively. That's a product of the scene, not the game.

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chess no question.

Lonelynight

while starcraft does require intelligence too is not at the same level of chess, it requieres more of fast hands and quick reflexes, and a lot of practice

Well there's your answer, he needs to be abnormally smart to be able to do that.chaplainDMK

Smart is not exactly the answer. Of course he needs to be gifted for chess but giftedness is not always something you are born with, it can also be learned after a lot of practice. Anyone who takes chess seriously enough and practices a lot against the computer can get a very high rating.

Both games are played against another human being (in general), the amount of skill required to win the game is mostly determined by your opponent not by the game itself. If the opponents skill is infinite then the amount of skill required would be determined by the amount of possibilities in the game. Chess is limited in it's strategic variation, where Starcraft isn't. So in that case Starcraft requires more skill.
However reality teaches us that a players skill is never infinite, so in the end the game that requires more skill is decided by the experience of the players . In this case Chess clearly wins, as the game is explored to a far greater degree then starcaft 2.

There's RTS that take more significantly more skill than that old Dune II clone.Saturos3091

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VendettaRed07

This guy, he knows.

I'll answer with chess.

Edit: Sorry guys about the 4 posts. Glitchspot strikes again.