Bullied teen leaves chilling video

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#151 Posted by DaJuicyMan (3420 posts) -

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="NiKva"]This thread is here, too? Its her own fault for exposing her breasts to internet strangers, and the whole situation escalates because she didn't decide to just delete "friends" off of her facebook, call the cops on the people harassing her (they could have gone to jail for child pornography), or just deleting her Facebook all together.Pirate700

bro, victim blaming is bad.

No, not seeing the entire picture is bad. This is what bothers me with a lot of people now is nothing is ever, at all, the fault of the person. Nobody is ever responsible for their own actions. We try to place all the blame on something or someone else. She made a ton of very idiotic decisions. Does that make the bullying ok, NO. But it also shouldn't remove her from any blame for her problems. The story is extremely sad but many people are victims of their own devices. Taking a step back and looking at the entire situation as a whole is what should be done.

Gotta agree with Pirate. This sucks and no one wants depressing sh*t like this to happen. That guy who made it his mission to mess her life up can sit on a d!ck. The kids that bullied her are little sh*ts. She was young so of course she was gonna do dumb things, and she seems to have gotten it worse than a lot of others but yeah, this did stem from her decisions. But someone has to tell her, hey all this teenage drama means absolutely nothing when you grow up. All these kids being evil? Fvck em. Put some effort in to getting these kids back, something. Killing yourself doesn't achieve much, a permanent solution to a temporary problem. RIP Amanda.
#152 Posted by VanHelsingBoA64 (5455 posts) -

[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]This doesn't sound like the kind of depression that something causes. This sounds a lot more like the mental illness. Pirate700

Elaborate.

People that suffer from mental illness of depression aren't as such from outside sources. That's why it's an illness. The bullying can be what pushes someone over the edge but it's not what causes the depression. It's already there in these kinds of cases.

It's entirely possible that the stress from the severe bullying and the drug abuse which resulted from the sever bullying caused her depression. You can't say for certain that it was "already there", unless you have access to her medical history or something.

#153 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Right, that's what I'm saying, dude. You're arguing with me when we're trying to make the same exact point.

Aljosa23

No, you said she was partly to blame because she didn't "deal with it" or whatever and I disagree with that strongly.

I meant the bullying isn't 100% the issue. It's horrible but it's not the root of the problem which is depression. I'm pretty sure we agree on the latter.

#154 Posted by lo_Pine (5048 posts) -

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

Try putting a gun to your head and erasing everything and everyone you ever saw or met.

It is not easy to go through with suicide. People say it is an easy way out. It's not.

Aljosa23

K but ceasing to exist does not make you strong. And if you want to take yourself away from everyone who loves and puts effort into your life you are a selfish ass making people wonder the rest of their life what they could have done.

I love this line of logic because it's SO wrong. You wanna know what's selfish? Expecting someone else to live through their pain just for other people.

Hmm except that the alleged bullying could only possibly have continued to exist for another 6 years tops till she graduates, or hey maybe.. Delete your Facebook! Doesn't make sense to make everyone you knew and loved live in pain for 10 times as long as she would have been bullied for. And bullying would not last to her senior year in high school. People grow up, but obviously she couldn't handle growing up.
#155 Posted by Aljosa23 (24643 posts) -

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Right, that's what I'm saying, dude. You're arguing with me when we're trying to make the same exact point.

Pirate700

No, you said she was partly to blame because she didn't "deal with it" or whatever and I disagree with that strongly.

I meant the bullying isn't 100% the issue. It's horrible but it's not the root of the problem which is depression. I'm pretty sure we agree on the latter.

There's nothing in the article or video that would make me think that her bullying didn't cause her depression.

#156 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]No, you said she was partly to blame because she didn't "deal with it" or whatever and I disagree with that strongly.

Aljosa23

I meant the bullying isn't 100% the issue. It's horrible but it's not the root of the problem which is depression. I'm pretty sure we agree on the latter.

There's nothing in the article or video that would make me think that her bullying didn't cause her depression.

Then I guess we'll just have to disagree on what level of depression she has and from where it stems.

#157 Posted by Optical_Order (5100 posts) -

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"] Wow, lol. You have a very twisted view of strong and weak.lo_Pine

Try putting a gun to your head and erasing everything and everyone you ever saw or met.

It is not easy to go through with suicide. People say it is an easy way out. It's not.

K but ceasing to exist does not make you strong. And if you want to take yourself away from everyone who loves and puts effort into your life you are a selfish ass making people wonder the rest of their life what they could have done.

It also doesn't make you weak. All I said commiting suicide is not a weak act, and that it takes a lot of guts to do it.

*sigh* Please, spare me the selfish argument. It's wrong, and that horse has been beaten to death.

#158 Posted by Aljosa23 (24643 posts) -

Hmm except that the alleged bullying could only possibly have continued to exist for another 6 years tops till she graduates, or hey maybe.. Delete your Facebook! Doesn't make sense to make everyone you knew and loved live in pain for 10 times as long as she would have been bullied for. And bullying would not last to her senior year in high school. People grow up, but obviously she couldn't handle growing up.lo_Pine
lol yeah because simplying deleting her Facebook would erase everything that's happened before and she'd be perfectly a-okay! Are you really that naive?

#159 Posted by Optical_Order (5100 posts) -

[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]This doesn't sound like the kind of depression that something causes. This sounds a lot more like the mental illness. And spare me the 'are you trolling' shlt. You know me better than that.

Pirate700

Jesus fvck you are a retard.

Care to elaborate?

Sorry, that was just my initial thought.

I just can't believe you think that the bullying/situation didn't have anything to do with her depression and anxiety which ultimately led to her death. It just escapes my mind you would think that.

#160 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

Try putting a gun to your head and erasing everything and everyone you ever saw or met.

It is not easy to go through with suicide. People say it is an easy way out. It's not.

Optical_Order

K but ceasing to exist does not make you strong. And if you want to take yourself away from everyone who loves and puts effort into your life you are a selfish ass making people wonder the rest of their life what they could have done.

It also doesn't make you weak. All I said commiting suicide is not a weak act, and that it takes a lot of guts to do it.

*sigh* Please, spare me the selfish argument. It's wrong, and that horse has been beaten to death.

 indeed
#161 Posted by lo_Pine (5048 posts) -

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]Hmm except that the alleged bullying could only possibly have continued to exist for another 6 years tops till she graduates, or hey maybe.. Delete your Facebook! Doesn't make sense to make everyone you knew and loved live in pain for 10 times as long as she would have been bullied for. And bullying would not last to her senior year in high school. People grow up, but obviously she couldn't handle growing up.Aljosa23

lol yeah because simplying deleting her Facebook would erase everything that's happened before and she'd be perfectly a-okay! Are you really that naive?

Yeah, she should have stopped trying to be so cool and stopped social networking as her sharing pics of her tilts on the Internet is what caused this in the first place. And it is more unfair to kill yourself to spare yourself a couple years of bad treatment and leave your parents and friends wondering for decades what they could have done to save you.
#162 Posted by Jandurin (95544 posts) -
suicide ruins your life
#163 Posted by Slow_Show (2153 posts) -

Don't you think the "dickish" way is more responsible than taking a tragic story full of important details and grossly over-simplifying it all down to "Bullies did it"?

Oleg_Huzwog

So what's your point? That the bullies are somehow absolved of responsibility because...? She made some dumb mistakes? She evidently had some mental health issues? She only moved to another city instead of another province? What makes the takeaway from this story anything other than "bullying is abhorrent and we should do more to combat it"?

#164 Posted by Haziqonfire (36344 posts) -
Really don't know how anyone in here can honestly blame the victim. It's terrible what she went through and people can be disgusting human beings.
#165 Posted by DaJuicyMan (3420 posts) -

Everyone's jumping on Pirate for being a "d*ck".

That guy lo-pine is the only disrespectful person i'vs seen in this thread.

#166 Posted by Jandurin (95544 posts) -

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Don't you think the "dickish" way is more responsible than taking a tragic story full of important details and grossly over-simplifying it all down to "Bullies did it"?

Slow_Show

So what's your point? That the bullies are somehow absolved of responsibility because...? She made some dumb mistakes? She evidently had some mental health issues? She only moved to another city instead of another province? What makes the takeaway from this story anything other than "bullying is abhorrent and we should do more to combat it"?

what more do you think we should do to combat bullying i mean, everyone has to make their own way in life, mr. snipes
#167 Posted by Aljosa23 (24643 posts) -

Yeah, she should have stopped trying to be so cool and stopped social networking as her sharing pics of her tilts on the Internet is what caused this in the first place. And it is more unfair to kill yourself to spare yourself a couple years of bad treatment and leave your parents and friends wondering for decades what they could have done to save you. lo_Pine
No, what caused this in the first place is a few people abusing her trust to take advantage and later on blackmail her. Obviously she wouldn't have given out pictures if she knew this would happen.

#168 Posted by lo_Pine (5048 posts) -
[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"] K but ceasing to exist does not make you strong. And if you want to take yourself away from everyone who loves and puts effort into your life you are a selfish ass making people wonder the rest of their life what they could have done. l4dak47

It also doesn't make you weak. All I said commiting suicide is not a weak act, and that it takes a lot of guts to do it.

*sigh* Please, spare me the selfish argument. It's wrong, and that horse has been beaten to death.

 indeed

That's because it is. Teenagers especially, who commit suicide still think the world revolves around them and are self centered. They never thought to ask themselves: " what would this do to the people who love me?" They don't they just kill themself. Not caring what your actions do to other people is self centered.
#170 Posted by Jandurin (95544 posts) -
why was she even bullied i don't get it didn't she just flash her boobs on internet?
#171 Posted by lo_Pine (5048 posts) -
[QUOTE="Jandurin"]why was she even bullied i don't get it didn't she just flash her boobs on internet?

Yes and that happened to like 5 girls I knew in high school. And they all just laughed it off... Seriously.
#172 Posted by TheFatPerson (1802 posts) -

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

It also doesn't make you weak. All I said commiting suicide is not a weak act, and that it takes a lot of guts to do it.

*sigh* Please, spare me the selfish argument. It's wrong, and that horse has been beaten to death.

lo_Pine

 indeed

That's because it is. Teenagers especially, who commit suicide still think the world revolves around them and are self centered. They never thought to ask themselves: " what would this do to the people who love me?" They don't they just kill themself. Not caring what your actions do to other people is self centered.

It goes both ways, doesn't it? It's selfish of the people around them to have no sympathy for those people suffering and instead want them to keep going through life, feeling like sh!t everyday for their own closure and well-being.

So people are going to feel bad if their loved ones commit suicide. Maybe if they put away their self-pride for one moment and gave support to those people that are depressed and suffering, then maybe they wouldn't do it.

#173 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
[QUOTE="Jandurin"]why was she even bullied i don't get it didn't she just flash her boobs on internet?

you're being a jand. stop it.
#174 Posted by VanHelsingBoA64 (5455 posts) -
[QUOTE="lo_Pine"] That's because it is. Teenagers especially, who commit suicide still think the world revolves around them and are self centered. They never thought to ask themselves: " what would this do to the people who love me?" They don't they just kill themself. Not caring what your actions do to other people is self centered.

It's not like expecting people to lead a life of misery in order to satisfy one's conscious is the epitome of altruism.
#176 Posted by Jandurin (95544 posts) -
[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]why was she even bullied i don't get it didn't she just flash her boobs on internet?

you're being a jand. stop it.

i seriously don't get it man no one in my high school was really bullied that much that i ever saw maybe bullies are just better at it these days
#177 Posted by Haziqonfire (36344 posts) -
[QUOTE="Jandurin"]why was she even bullied i don't get it didn't she just flash her boobs on internet?

Kids hold onto a lot of stupid things and drag it out for years. I know a girl my age who lived around my neighbourhood and went to my elementary, junior high and high school who suffered from bullying all throughout ... because of what happened in elementary. I'm not saint either - I was involved in bullying - I'm sure everyone has at some point. Looking back now though, I want to teach my kid self a lesson or two.
#178 Posted by VanHelsingBoA64 (5455 posts) -

Bullying alone is poor accuse to commit suicide. But other more serious troubles can really cause people to commit suicide: For example ...constant rejections from womenpariah3

I'm sorry dude.

#179 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]why was she even bullied i don't get it didn't she just flash her boobs on internet?

you're being a jand. stop it.

i seriously don't get it man no one in my high school was really bullied that much that i ever saw maybe bullies are just better at it these days

I don't see it much at my school either. Bullying has largely taken to the cyber-world making it harder to track down and fix. Gone are the days of the "big bully" on the playground.
#180 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]why was she even bullied i don't get it didn't she just flash her boobs on internet?

Kids hold onto a lot of stupid things and drag it out for years. I know a girl my age who lived around my neighbourhood and went to my elementary, junior high and high school who suffered from bullying all throughout ... because of what happened in elementary. I'm not saint either - I was involved in bullying - I'm sure everyone has at some point. Looking back now though, I want to teach my kid self a lesson or two.

I know dat feeling.
#181 Posted by Optical_Order (5100 posts) -

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

It also doesn't make you weak. All I said commiting suicide is not a weak act, and that it takes a lot of guts to do it.

*sigh* Please, spare me the selfish argument. It's wrong, and that horse has been beaten to death.

lo_Pine

 indeed

That's because it is. Teenagers especially, who commit suicide still think the world revolves around them and are self centered. They never thought to ask themselves: " what would this do to the people who love me?" They don't they just kill themself. Not caring what your actions do to other people is self centered.

I'm not even going to get into it with you.

Dismissed.

#182 Posted by Jandurin (95544 posts) -
okay i have read the story in full this is not about bullying this is about blackmail and a stalker fvck who wouldn't leave her alone he should have been reported to the police though nothing would have come of it
#183 Posted by Jandurin (95544 posts) -
I was involved in bullying Haziqonfire
calling someone stupid is not bullying
#184 Posted by Optical_Order (5100 posts) -

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]why was she even bullied i don't get it didn't she just flash her boobs on internet?Jandurin
you're being a jand. stop it.

i seriously don't get it man no one in my high school was really bullied that much that i ever saw maybe bullies are just better at it these days

yeah totally depends. i saw some in high school. more in middle school than anything.

#185 Posted by Haziqonfire (36344 posts) -
[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]I was involved in bullying Jandurin
calling someone stupid is not bullying

Wasn't really about calling someone stupid. It was actively being involved in something that happened on a repeat basis to an individual.
#186 Posted by lo_Pine (5048 posts) -
[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] you're being a jand. stop it.

i seriously don't get it man no one in my high school was really bullied that much that i ever saw maybe bullies are just better at it these days

I don't see it much at my school either. Bullying has largely taken to the cyber-world making it harder to track down and fix. Gone are the days of the "big bully" on the playground.

Neither did I but a kid in my grade hung himself because no one knows why really and his death was completely shadowed by a more popular kid in school who died of DUI that same week lol. My school did nothing to say he was bullied or anything because seriously, no one knew who the fvck he was.
#187 Posted by Jandurin (95544 posts) -
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]I was involved in bullying Haziqonfire
calling someone stupid is not bullying

Wasn't really about calling someone stupid. It was actively being involved in something that happened on a repeat basis to an individual.

that's messed up you shouldn't do that
#188 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
[QUOTE="Jandurin"]okay i have read the story in full this is not about bullying this is about blackmail and a stalker fvck who wouldn't leave her alone he should have been reported to the police though nothing would have come of it

did you just skip the last 4 minutes?
#189 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
After reading this thread. Faith in humanity = -100
#190 Posted by Jandurin (95544 posts) -
[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]okay i have read the story in full this is not about bullying this is about blackmail and a stalker fvck who wouldn't leave her alone he should have been reported to the police though nothing would have come of it

did you just skip the last 4 minutes?

all i did was read the article
#191 Posted by kingkong0124 (8710 posts) -

This is sick as ****. God bless her and her family.

#192 Posted by Haziqonfire (36344 posts) -
[QUOTE="Jandurin"] that's messed up you shouldn't do that

Correct. That is why I said I regret what I did as a kid and why I actively push to get awareness out about situations like these.
#193 Posted by TheFatPerson (1802 posts) -

After reading this thread. Faith in humanity = -100kuraimen

Every single day, I am seriously wondering to myself; why am I still alive on this planet?

#194 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]okay i have read the story in full this is not about bullying this is about blackmail and a stalker fvck who wouldn't leave her alone he should have been reported to the police though nothing would have come of it

did you just skip the last 4 minutes?

all i did was read the article

oh, nvm, I thought you watched the actual video on youtube.
#195 Posted by Suzy_Q_Kazoo (9901 posts) -

why was she even bullied i don't get it didn't she just flash her boobs on internet?Jandurin
This is why you're not supposed to show your face. Cardinal rule. Sincerely though, poor girl.

It sounds awful what she went through, and at 15? Man, I hated myself back then. It's a rough time. However, yes, she didn't make the wisest decisions. Those that taunted her are absolute scum though. Kids are dumb. ALSO, that stalker guy is a sick f*ck.

#196 Posted by TheFatPerson (1802 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] that's messed up you shouldn't do thatHaziqonfire
Correct. That is why I said I regret what I did as a kid and why I actively push to get awareness out about situations like these.

How old were you when you were doing the bullying?

I would say that around the ages of 13-14, people have a basic understanding of ethics and are able to diffrentiate between what they should and/or should not be doing.

#197 Posted by kingkong0124 (8710 posts) -

I hope they catch the f***** who did this to her too.

#198 Posted by Haziqonfire (36344 posts) -

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] that's messed up you shouldn't do thatTheFatPerson

Correct. That is why I said I regret what I did as a kid and why I actively push to get awareness out about situations like these.

How old were you when you were doing the bullying?

I would say that around the ages of 13-14, people have a basic understanding of ethics and are able to diffrentiate between what they should and/or should not be doing.

I was around 15-16. Most people understand that it's a bad thing to do - but when you see a bunch of people doing it, it's easy to join in.
#199 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -

I hope they catch the f***** who did this to her too.

kingkong0124
for once, we agree.
#200 Posted by muller39 (14944 posts) -

I hope they catch the f***** who did this to her too.

kingkong0124
I agree.