Brain surgeon claims afterlife exists.

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#1 Posted by FMAB_GTO (14385 posts) -
A Harvard-educated neurosurgeon had a change of heart after he had his own near-death experience. Dr Eben Alexander had previously dismissed the idea of there being an afterlife until he slipped in to a coma in 2008 after contracting meningitis. What followed was an experience that would change his outlook forever and turn him from a skeptic in to a believer. He described it as "something so profound that it gave me a scientific reason to believe in consciousness after death." During the coma he remembered meeting a beautiful woman with blue eyes in an environment filled with clouds and 'shimmering beings'. "A huge and booming like a glorious chant, came down from above, and I wondered if the winged beings were producing it," he added. "The sound was palpable and almost material, like a rain that you can feel on your skin but doesn't get you wet." linky Now before you say thing about me,I am being subjective,I just found this and it seemed interesting,so I hope not a single post is about "TC" in this thread >.>
#2 Posted by Bane_09 (3394 posts) -

I've seen this story before and it's interesting, nothing more

#3 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
And Einstein believed in a non-personal God.
#4 Posted by johnd13 (8387 posts) -

It would be great if it' s true and he did witness afterlife but you can' t just blindly believe him. First of all afterlife is for when you die which he didn' t as he was in a coma. And second it could be just dreams or sideeffects from medication and coma.

#5 Posted by Omni-Slash (54450 posts) -
well there's only one way to find out if he is right..and I am in no rush to do so...
#6 Posted by FMAB_GTO (14385 posts) -

It would be great if it' s true and he did witness afterlife but you can' t just blindly believe him. First of all afterlife is for when you die which he didn' t as he was in a coma. And second it could be just dreams or sideeffects from medication and coma.

johnd13
True~ I can say anything,for example I know a guy who was in a coma once,he became sooo good after he woke up because he said that he saw hell in his coma O.O True story. But yet you can't deny that not everyone in a coma acts like that after they woke up eh =/ ....barely anyone actually >.>
#7 Posted by JML897 (33133 posts) -
He can believe whatever he wants, but a guy who changed his opinion because of something that happened while his brain wasn't functioning properly isn't going to change anything I believe in
#8 Posted by Lonelynight (30041 posts) -
Highly educated people can be idiots too.
#9 Posted by Bane_09 (3394 posts) -

[QUOTE="johnd13"]

It would be great if it' s true and he did witness afterlife but you can' t just blindly believe him. First of all afterlife is for when you die which he didn' t as he was in a coma. And second it could be just dreams or sideeffects from medication and coma.

FMAB_GTO

True~ I can say anything,for example I know a guy who was in a coma once,he became sooo good after he woke up because he said that he saw hell in his coma O.O True story. But yet you can't deny that not everyone in a coma acts like that after they woke up eh =/ ....barely anyone actually >.>

Their brain most likely just produces images of what they expect to see, Hindus and Buddhists have very different near death experiences than Christians

#10 Posted by johnd13 (8387 posts) -

[QUOTE="johnd13"]

It would be great if it' s true and he did witness afterlife but you can' t just blindly believe him. First of all afterlife is for when you die which he didn' t as he was in a coma. And second it could be just dreams or sideeffects from medication and coma.

FMAB_GTO

True~ I can say anything,for example I know a guy who was in a coma once,he became sooo good after he woke up because he said that he saw hell in his coma O.O True story. But yet you can't deny that not everyone in a coma acts like that after they woke up eh =/ ....barely anyone actually >.>

Who knows? Maybe some people' s subconscious takes control while in a coma so when they finally wake up they realize things they had no idea of before and look to something otherwordly to find an explanation (afterlife,hell whatever). Still it is fascinating how complex the human mind is and life/existence in general.

#11 Posted by Sajo7 (14049 posts) -

Harvard educated! Well he must be right!

#12 Posted by Dogswithguns (10939 posts) -
I believe it when I see it myself.. until then.
#13 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152432 posts) -

[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="johnd13"]

It would be great if it' s true and he did witness afterlife but you can' t just blindly believe him. First of all afterlife is for when you die which he didn' t as he was in a coma. And second it could be just dreams or sideeffects from medication and coma.

Bane_09

True~ I can say anything,for example I know a guy who was in a coma once,he became sooo good after he woke up because he said that he saw hell in his coma O.O True story. But yet you can't deny that not everyone in a coma acts like that after they woke up eh =/ ....barely anyone actually >.>

Their brain most likely just produces images of what they expect to see, Hindus and Buddhists have very different near death experiences than Christians

Do you take comfort in that idea?
#14 Posted by FMAB_GTO (14385 posts) -

Their brain most likely just produces images of what they expect to see, Hindus and Buddhists have very different near death experiences than Christians

Bane_09
I see,well I dunno much about brains unfortunately =/

Who knows? Maybe some people' s subconscious takes control while in a coma so when they finally wake up they realize things they had no idea of before and look to something otherwordly to find an explanation (afterlife,hell whatever). Still it is fascinating how complex the human mind is and life/existence in general.

johnd13
The brain is sooooo magnificent indeed!
#15 Posted by Bane_09 (3394 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] True~ I can say anything,for example I know a guy who was in a coma once,he became sooo good after he woke up because he said that he saw hell in his coma O.O True story. But yet you can't deny that not everyone in a coma acts like that after they woke up eh =/ ....barely anyone actually >.>LJS9502_basic

Their brain most likely just produces images of what they expect to see, Hindus and Buddhists have very different near death experiences than Christians

Do you take comfort in that idea?

What?:? what is there to take comfort in? I am a psyc major so this is what we learn, if you have a problem with it and think it's false just say so. Otherwise I am not really sure what point you are trying to make?

#16 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152432 posts) -
[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] I see,well I dunno much about brains unfortunately =/

Neither does he. It's what he wants to believe.
#17 Posted by Bane_09 (3394 posts) -

[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] I see,well I dunno much about brains unfortunately =/ LJS9502_basic
Neither does he. It's what he wants to believe.

Hmm I don't really get why you feel the need to be rude but good for you bud

#18 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152432 posts) -

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Bane_09"]

Their brain most likely just produces images of what they expect to see, Hindus and Buddhists have very different near death experiences than Christians

Bane_09

Do you take comfort in that idea?

What?:? what is there to take comfort in? I am a psyc major so this is what we learn, if you have a problem with it and think it's false just say so. Otherwise I am not really sure what point you are trying to make?

So science trying to fit what is experienced then? Enough people have had similar experiences be it the white light or seeing themselves as though they are a third party observer to just dismiss it out of hand. That's what I think anyway. And that would be more in line with how scientific studies are done. Don't dismiss what isn't understood. Unless those psych teachers have died and come back to life....I don't consider them to be experts. But hey.....whatever helps you sleep.
#19 Posted by KHAndAnime (14756 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Do you take comfort in that idea?LJS9502_basic

What?:? what is there to take comfort in? I am a psyc major so this is what we learn, if you have a problem with it and think it's false just say so. Otherwise I am not really sure what point you are trying to make?

So science trying to fit what is experienced then? Enough people have had similar experiences be it the white light or seeing themselves as though they are a third party observer to just dismiss it out of hand. That's what I think anyway. And that would be more in line with how scientific studies are done. Don't dismiss what isn't understood. Unless those psych teachers have died and come back to life....I don't consider them to be experts. But hey.....whatever helps you sleep.

I've heard that it's a chemical reaction that occurs in your brain under certain circumstances (near death, for example). It's not so much unlike a dream...no?

#20 Posted by Bane_09 (3394 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Do you take comfort in that idea?LJS9502_basic

What?:? what is there to take comfort in? I am a psyc major so this is what we learn, if you have a problem with it and think it's false just say so. Otherwise I am not really sure what point you are trying to make?

So science trying to fit what is experienced then? Enough people have had similar experiences be it the white light or seeing themselves as though they are a third party observer to just dismiss it out of hand. That's what I think anyway. And that would be more in line with how scientific studies are done. Don't dismiss what isn't understood. Unless those psych teachers have died and come back to life....I don't consider them to be experts. But hey.....whatever helps you sleep.

What do you think psychology is? A great deal of it has to do with our perceptions and sensations of the world. It's very easy to simulate near death experiences

And I'm not just dismissing it out of hand, you act like there has never been a study done on near death experiences. It is understood, just because you don't understand it doesn't mean everyone else doesn't

Lucid dreaming can also simulate things like third party observation and white light.

And why do you keep saying it helps me sleep?:| That part literally makes no sense, I am just reiterating what psychology has taught us about near death experiences, maybe you should do some research before you decide to attack someone for having a different belief than you

#21 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152432 posts) -

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Bane_09"]

What?:? what is there to take comfort in? I am a psyc major so this is what we learn, if you have a problem with it and think it's false just say so. Otherwise I am not really sure what point you are trying to make?

KHAndAnime

So science trying to fit what is experienced then? Enough people have had similar experiences be it the white light or seeing themselves as though they are a third party observer to just dismiss it out of hand. That's what I think anyway. And that would be more in line with how scientific studies are done. Don't dismiss what isn't understood. Unless those psych teachers have died and come back to life....I don't consider them to be experts. But hey.....whatever helps you sleep.

I've heard that it's a chemical reaction that occurs in your brain under certain circumstances (near death, for example). It's not so much unlike a dream...no?

You know that can be flipped that experience causes the chemical reaction. Same thing with making love a mere chemical reaction. The opposite side can be true as well......
#22 Posted by meconate (10476 posts) -
Sounds interesting, but it's just another guy claiming to have seen the afterlife. I've heard odd stories here and there. But I'd have to see it for myself when the time comes.
#23 Posted by Diablo-B (4053 posts) -
So a coma victim that DID NOT believe in god was able to go straight to heaven and then come back to the real world..... sounds legit
#24 Posted by EatShanna (875 posts) -
I'm supposed to believe him because he's a neurosurgeon AND Harvard educated? It's like that lawyer who claims he time traveled. You have to believe him, he's a lawyer, they never lie about anything!
#25 Posted by junglist101 (5462 posts) -

Who knows what the brain does when the body is comatose...This wouldn't be the first time someone had a visceral hallucination or dream comatose or not. That doesn't mean there is an afterlife...

#26 Posted by SouL-Tak3R (4024 posts) -

Interesting. I still don't know. I don't believe in a religion. But that doesn't mean the universe didn't create the afterlife(s)

#27 Posted by TacticalDesire (10713 posts) -

[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"] I see,well I dunno much about brains unfortunately =/ LJS9502_basic
Neither does he. It's what he wants to believe.

Except the post above says he's a psych major.

#28 Posted by MannyDelgado (1187 posts) -
Enough people have had similar experiences be it the white light or seeing themselves as though they are a third party observer to just dismiss it out of hand.LJS9502_basic
Why is it important that people have similar experiences? Up to a point, everyone has a pretty similar brain; is there any reason why, if those experiences were purely illusory, we should expect them to be highly diverse?
#29 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -
So is God black or white?
#30 Posted by TacticalDesire (10713 posts) -

So is God black or white?Fightingfan

You're asking the wrong question. Was God a man or a woman?

#31 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]So is God black or white?TacticalDesire

You're asking the wrong question. Was God a man or a woman?

That's not up for debate, obviously a man since women are 2nd class in the bible.
#32 Posted by TacticalDesire (10713 posts) -

[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]So is God black or white?Fightingfan

You're asking the wrong question. Was God a man or a woman?

That's not up for debate, obviously a man since women are 2nd class in the bible.

What if God's a tranny?

#33 Posted by yellosnolvr (19302 posts) -
[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]So is God black or white?Fightingfan

You're asking the wrong question. Was God a man or a woman?

That's not up for debate, obviously a man since women are 2nd class in the bible.

zing
#34 Posted by SPYDER0416 (16736 posts) -

Lots of people do, from all walks of life and all types of education. I don't see how this is news just because he's a brain surgeon, they aren't all Atheists with God complexes you know.

#35 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

You're asking the wrong question. Was God a man or a woman?

TacticalDesire

That's not up for debate, obviously a man since women are 2nd class in the bible.

What if God's a tranny?

Hates gays too.
#36 Posted by TacticalDesire (10713 posts) -

[QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"] That's not up for debate, obviously a man since women are 2nd class in the bible. Fightingfan

What if God's a tranny?

Hates gays too.

Certainly making God sound like a d*ck. Hopefully if there is one he/she/it is not too similar to how God is represented in the Bible.

#37 Posted by Chicken453 (2038 posts) -
But i wanted to be reincarnated as Panda :I
#38 Posted by Omega-316 (936 posts) -

Sounds like a DMT experience. You see what you want to believe. He didnt die so he didnt see the after life.

#39 Posted by TopTierHustler (3894 posts) -

Embarassing, he of all people should know the body dumps all it's serotonin and dopamine at once when the body dies causing hallucinations.

#40 Posted by DJ419 (997 posts) -

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that he's trying to sell a book. That's all I need to know.

#41 Posted by kingkong0124 (8329 posts) -

Beautiful story, thank you for posting FMAB :)

#42 Posted by FMAB_GTO (14385 posts) -

Beautiful story, thank you for posting FMAB :)

kingkong0124
You're welcome! ;')
#43 Posted by wis3boi (32013 posts) -

Nothing nobody on LSD hasn't already seen. Shame he's a brain surgeon and doesn't understand what the brain does when dying

#44 Posted by kingkong0124 (8329 posts) -

Nothing nobody on LSD hasn't already seen. Shame he's a brain surgeon and doesn't understand what the brain does when dying

wis3boi

Pretty sure he understands more than you.

#45 Posted by norm41x (813 posts) -

Cool. I read this on yahoo like 3 days ago.

#46 Posted by TehFuneral (8086 posts) -

If he wants help killing himself ill be glad to help!

#47 Posted by brucewayne69 (2864 posts) -

If he wants help killing himself ill be glad to help!

TehFuneral
I'm pretty sure people can go to jail for saying that. And I forget, in the article, did it say his brain shut down? Just curious. I'm not sure what to make of it. I hope that he isn't deluded or lying, because that certainly would be amazing. Does anybody remember the kid who said he went to Heaven, and then came back and knew about his aborted sister and stuff? I really hope that these aren't just people cashing in, but I dunno.
#48 Posted by JohnF111 (14122 posts) -
That's the brain for you. He had an incredibly long dream and his brain was so shut down that it had the ability to be very vivid. Yes I'm a Neurologist.
#49 Posted by MannyDelgado (1187 posts) -
I hope that he isn't deluded or lying, because that certainly would be amazing.brucewayne69
'Course he isn't deluded! Who ever heard of humans having vivid hallucinations while unconscious?
#50 Posted by TehFuneral (8086 posts) -

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

If he wants help killing himself ill be glad to help!

brucewayne69

I'm pretty sure people can go to jail for saying that.

Huh?