Black person arrested for making an expensive purchase.

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#1 Edited by thebest31406 (3228 posts) -

Two African-American customers have accused the high-end New York department store Barneys of racial profiling after they were detained for making expensive purchases. Trayon Christian, 19, was arrested moments after buying a $350 belt. Despite showing his ID and debit card to undercover officers, Christian was told the purchase was suspicious because he could not afford to make such an expensive purchase. Christian has filed a lawsuit against Barneys. Another African-American shopper has since come forward to say she endured a similar experience earlier this year.

Ahh...good ol' NYPD. Really, what would the city be without them? Anyway, I hope the victims get as much as they can from the lawsuit..

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/26/barneys-racial-profiling-al-sharpton

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/23/attorney-student-racially-profiled-by-barneys-nypd-after-buying-300-belt/

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/23/justice/new-york-profiling-lawsuit/

#2 Posted by DeadMan1290 (15499 posts) -

Sad yet funny at the same time.

#3 Edited by Shottayouth13- (6687 posts) -

And yet some people still live under the delusion that racism is dead.

#4 Posted by 5dlrbill (90 posts) -

wow...

#5 Posted by Audacitron (908 posts) -

I find it suspicious that anyone would spend $350 on a belt.

#6 Posted by dave123321 (33313 posts) -

I thought you left

#7 Edited by dave123321 (33313 posts) -

Will have to do some independent research before I reach my conclusion on this matter

#8 Posted by Nengo_Flow (9258 posts) -

Anyone who spends $350 on a belt should be arrested.

#9 Edited by GamingTitan (494 posts) -

Wtf Barney's? you would think that as long as the card works (especially debit) that we would be delighted to ring it up.

Dumb move and now its gunna cost em~

#10 Edited by thebest31406 (3228 posts) -

@dave123321: I did...for a moment. Then a mod responded to the thread and said that it was probably a glitch that occurred after the makeover so I apologized to him and the rest of the mods.

#11 Edited by BluRayHiDef (10837 posts) -

@Audacitron said:

I find it suspicious that anyone would spend $350 on a belt.

I'm a Black male who resides in NYC. I can tell you from daily experience that a lot of young males (Black, Latino, Indian, etc) wear these multi-hundred dollar name-brand belts. My supervisor, who's Black, has a $500 Gucci belt. I guess it does seem ridiculous to those who aren't into that sort of stuff, but you have to try to understand why someone would spend that much money on something like that by comparing it to what you're interested in; people think us gamers are ridiculous for spending hundreds of dollars on consoles or thousands on gaming PCs.

#12 Posted by Hallenbeck77 (14257 posts) -
#13 Posted by lostrib (31456 posts) -

Wtf Barney's? you would think that as long as the card works (especially debit) that we would be delighted to ring it up.

Dumb move and now its gunna cost em~

Well as long as the name and signature match the ID, there shouldn't have been any issue.

#14 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -

I clicked expecting a felon buying a gun.

Profiling isn't against the law - don't see why he's suing. Besides, it's NY they don't care about your rights - same goes for Chicago.

#15 Edited by thebest31406 (3228 posts) -
#16 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (3675 posts) -

What dumb ass would spend that much on a belt?

I'm glad they were arrested.

#17 Edited by BranKetra (47448 posts) -

I know one business I will not be shopping at.

#18 Posted by the_bi99man (11024 posts) -

Fuckin wit me cuz I'ma teenager, with a little bit o gold and a pager!

#20 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (3675 posts) -

@Audacitron said:

I find it suspicious that anyone would spend $350 on a belt.

I'm a Black male who resides in NYC. I can tell you from daily experience that a lot of young males (Black, Latino, Indian, etc) wear these multi-hundred dollar name-brand belts. My supervisor, who's Black, has a $500 Gucci belt. I guess it does seem ridiculous to those who aren't into that sort of stuff, but you have to try to understand why someone would spend that much money on something like that by comparing it to what you're interested in; people think us gamers are ridiculous for spending hundreds of dollars on consoles or thousands on gaming PCs.

A computer costs money to make the parts and ship them and pay RnD scientists and engineers to develop software and hardware.

A belt is a piece of plastic, metal and leather. It probably costs 10 dollars to produce in a sweat shop.

Anybody who is willing to pay such a wildly stupid mark up has no understanding of the value of money and deserves any karma they get.

#21 Posted by StrifeDelivery (1256 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@GamingTitan said:

Wtf Barney's? you would think that as long as the card works (especially debit) that we would be delighted to ring it up.

Dumb move and now its gunna cost em~

Well as long as the name and signature match the ID, there shouldn't have been any issue.

Pretty much this right here. Though the question remains on why they were even approached in the first place.

#22 Edited by airshocker (28195 posts) -

Glad the TC is so stupid that he doesn't even realize that the NYPD didn't make any arrests. Which is the reason why the lawsuits are against Barney's, not the NYPD.

The security guards at Barney's detained the individuals. The NYPD simply took them into custody pending charges being filed.

#23 Posted by sammyjenkis898 (27935 posts) -

#24 Posted by BluRayHiDef (10837 posts) -

@BluRayHiDef said:

@Audacitron said:

I find it suspicious that anyone would spend $350 on a belt.

I'm a Black male who resides in NYC. I can tell you from daily experience that a lot of young males (Black, Latino, Indian, etc) wear these multi-hundred dollar name-brand belts. My supervisor, who's Black, has a $500 Gucci belt. I guess it does seem ridiculous to those who aren't into that sort of stuff, but you have to try to understand why someone would spend that much money on something like that by comparing it to what you're interested in; people think us gamers are ridiculous for spending hundreds of dollars on consoles or thousands on gaming PCs.

A computer costs money to make the parts and ship them and pay RnD scientists and engineers to develop software and hardware.

A belt is a piece of plastic, metal and leather. It probably costs 10 dollars to produce in a sweat shop.

Anybody who is willing to pay such a wildly stupid mark up has no understanding of the value of money and deserves any karma they get.

I understand your point and even considered arguing it, but it fails to convey the point I really wanted to make, which is that the non-monetary value that people place on certain types of items is what drives them to purchase them (i.e. whether they really like it or not, regardless of the price). Furthermore, even though a belt is nothing more than a composition of plastic, metal and leather, it can be - depending on its price - a status symbol and a means of social advancement. For example, women tend to prefer men with money, so if they see a guy with a really expensive belt, they may be drawn to him because it's a sign that he has money. This can be a motivating factor as to why someone would spend such a ridiculous amount of money on a belt.

#25 Posted by tocool340 (20411 posts) -

Anyone who spends $350 on a belt should be arrested.

I think its fucking stupid, but that's just me....

@Audacitron said:

I find it suspicious that anyone would spend $350 on a belt.

I'm a Black male who resides in NYC. I can tell you from daily experience that a lot of young males (Black, Latino, Indian, etc) wear these multi-hundred dollar name-brand belts. My supervisor, who's Black, has a $500 Gucci belt. I guess it does seem ridiculous to those who aren't into that sort of stuff, but you have to try to understand why someone would spend that much money on something like that by comparing it to what you're interested in; people think us gamers are ridiculous for spending hundreds of dollars on consoles or thousands on gaming PCs.

At least my gaming PC serves multiple purposes. What a belt does is pretty limited. Thus, spending $350 on a belt is pretty much throwing money away....

#26 Edited by lamprey263 (22418 posts) -

I hope they get a phat payout so the store learns their lesson.

Still, why would the NYPD take them in, can't they simply look that the debit card and any drivers license or photo ID matches, say the store had no reason to detain them and let them go? If the NYPD took them in then I think the people should also sue the NYPD while they're at it.

#27 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -

@BluRayHiDef said:

@Audacitron said:

I find it suspicious that anyone would spend $350 on a belt.

I'm a Black male who resides in NYC. I can tell you from daily experience that a lot of young males (Black, Latino, Indian, etc) wear these multi-hundred dollar name-brand belts. My supervisor, who's Black, has a $500 Gucci belt. I guess it does seem ridiculous to those who aren't into that sort of stuff, but you have to try to understand why someone would spend that much money on something like that by comparing it to what you're interested in; people think us gamers are ridiculous for spending hundreds of dollars on consoles or thousands on gaming PCs.

A computer costs money to make the parts and ship them and pay RnD scientists and engineers to develop software and hardware.

A belt is a piece of plastic, metal and leather. It probably costs 10 dollars to produce in a sweat shop.

Anybody who is willing to pay such a wildly stupid mark up has no understanding of the value of money and deserves any karma they get.

There's a huge difference between Gucci, True Religion, and your basic Chinese made clothing.

#29 Edited by Shottayouth13- (6687 posts) -

@BluRayHiDef said:

@Audacitron said:

I find it suspicious that anyone would spend $350 on a belt.

I'm a Black male who resides in NYC. I can tell you from daily experience that a lot of young males (Black, Latino, Indian, etc) wear these multi-hundred dollar name-brand belts. My supervisor, who's Black, has a $500 Gucci belt. I guess it does seem ridiculous to those who aren't into that sort of stuff, but you have to try to understand why someone would spend that much money on something like that by comparing it to what you're interested in; people think us gamers are ridiculous for spending hundreds of dollars on consoles or thousands on gaming PCs.

A computer costs money to make the parts and ship them and pay RnD scientists and engineers to develop software and hardware.

A belt is a piece of plastic, metal and leather. It probably costs 10 dollars to produce in a sweat shop.

Anybody who is willing to pay such a wildly stupid mark up has no understanding of the value of money and deserves any karma they get.

The belt isn't the issue. People waste their money on over priced things everyday (see just about every fucking rich person).

The issue is the racism at play.

#30 Edited by MrGeezer (55936 posts) -

@MakeMeaSammitch said:

@BluRayHiDef said:

@Audacitron said:

I find it suspicious that anyone would spend $350 on a belt.

I'm a Black male who resides in NYC. I can tell you from daily experience that a lot of young males (Black, Latino, Indian, etc) wear these multi-hundred dollar name-brand belts. My supervisor, who's Black, has a $500 Gucci belt. I guess it does seem ridiculous to those who aren't into that sort of stuff, but you have to try to understand why someone would spend that much money on something like that by comparing it to what you're interested in; people think us gamers are ridiculous for spending hundreds of dollars on consoles or thousands on gaming PCs.

A computer costs money to make the parts and ship them and pay RnD scientists and engineers to develop software and hardware.

A belt is a piece of plastic, metal and leather. It probably costs 10 dollars to produce in a sweat shop.

Anybody who is willing to pay such a wildly stupid mark up has no understanding of the value of money and deserves any karma they get.

Except that they aren't buying a belt, they're buying the prestige of being able to afford something with a certain name attached. You and I go out and look for a belt, other people go out and look for a STATUS SYMBOL. And yes, buying a status symbol is almost always gonna be expensive, because if it wasn't expensive then it wouldn't be a status symbol.

Now, you can of course say, "but it's stupid to buy status symbols." But wouldn't that be sort of contingent on you not having any use for them? At that point, it's sort of EXACTLY like someone who has no need for a computer saying that it's stupid to spend a lot of money on a computer.

But whether or not it's stupid to spend $350 on a belt is entirely beside the point. Maybe it was a stupid purchase and maybe it wasn't, but even if it was a stupid purchase then I'm sure all of us have been guilty of that at some point. Think back to the last stupid purchase you made and ask yourself this: did you get arrested? A company puts a product for sale, you have the money to buy it, you then buy it, and then you get arrested because your skin color makes it seem "suspicious" (despite your ID checking out). Has that ever happened to you? Because that's sort of the issue here.

#31 Posted by the_bi99man (11024 posts) -

@BluRayHiDef said:

I'm a Black male who resides in NYC. I can tell you from daily experience that a lot of young males (Black, Latino, Indian, etc) wear these multi-hundred dollar name-brand belts. My supervisor, who's Black, has a $500 Gucci belt. I guess it does seem ridiculous to those who aren't into that sort of stuff, but you have to try to understand why someone would spend that much money on something like that by comparing it to what you're interested in; people think us gamers are ridiculous for spending hundreds of dollars on consoles or thousands on gaming PCs.

At least my gaming PC serves multiple purposes. What a belt does is pretty limited. Thus, spending $350 on a belt is pretty much throwing money away....

100% true. But the point is that nobody should give half a shit about what anyone else spends their own money on, or why. Especially not enough to freak out and call the fucking police.

#32 Posted by MrGeezer (55936 posts) -

@tocool340 said:

@BluRayHiDef said:

I'm a Black male who resides in NYC. I can tell you from daily experience that a lot of young males (Black, Latino, Indian, etc) wear these multi-hundred dollar name-brand belts. My supervisor, who's Black, has a $500 Gucci belt. I guess it does seem ridiculous to those who aren't into that sort of stuff, but you have to try to understand why someone would spend that much money on something like that by comparing it to what you're interested in; people think us gamers are ridiculous for spending hundreds of dollars on consoles or thousands on gaming PCs.

At least my gaming PC serves multiple purposes. What a belt does is pretty limited. Thus, spending $350 on a belt is pretty much throwing money away....

100% true. But the point is that nobody should give half a shit about what anyone else spends their own money on, or why. Especially not enough to freak out and call the fucking police.

Especially when the thing they're buying is the thing that YOU'RE SELLING. That's like, punishing your customers. Wait, no, that's not "like" punishing your customers, it totally f***ing IS punishing your customers for buying what you're trying to sell. What gets me isn't the racism, because a LOT of people are kind of racist. But at least most of them have the good sense to shut the f*** up when customers are trying to hand them money.

#33 Edited by marco1k1 (163 posts) -

@Shottayouth13-: I don't think anybody believes its completely gone just that almost all normal people don't give two shits about people's race anymore and for the most part it isn't an issue.

Just seems like these particular cop/s where being arseholes.

#34 Posted by MrGeezer (55936 posts) -

Glad the TC is so stupid that he doesn't even realize that the NYPD didn't make any arrests. Which is the reason why the lawsuits are against Barney's, not the NYPD.

The security guards at Barney's detained the individuals. The NYPD simply took them into custody pending charges being filed.

Uh...maybe that's correct, but that's not what the provided links say. The sources he provided say that it was the NYPD, NOT Barney's security, who detained him.

"The two officers handcuffed Christian on the sidewalk and placed him into a police vehicle, according to the court documents filed Monday. Christian was detained in a holding cell for two hours and interrogated, as police contacted Chase Bank to check his card, Palillo said."

Now, maybe that's incorrect information. If so, I invite you to provide a source to the contrary. But if this is correct, then at no point does it look like he was detained by Barney's security. Barney's security wasn't anywhere nearby. He was out of the store and a block away, after making his totally legit purchase. He was then stopped by NYPD officers, handcuffed, taken into custody, and detained for two hours. That isn't an arrest by the NYPD? And even if it isn't considered an "arrest", then at what point did Barney's security detain the guy? Barney's security (allegedly) wasn't anywhere nearby when the dude was stopped, placed in handcuffs, and placed in police custody. I admit to not knowing the technical and legal definition of an "arrest", so MAYBE you're correct that the NYPD didn't arrest him. But even if that's true, at what point did Barney's security ever detain the guy?

#35 Posted by gamerguru100 (10381 posts) -

Anyone who spends $350 on a belt should be arrested.

This.

#36 Posted by SNIPER4321 (10142 posts) -

its america, racism is common there. nothing new

#37 Edited by THE_DRUGGIE (24921 posts) -

Man, they must cuff people all the time when Black Friday rolls around!

I'll be here all week.

#38 Edited by ShepardCommandr (2114 posts) -

I find it suspicious that anyone would spend $350 on a belt.

#39 Posted by TheFlush (5412 posts) -

Christian was told the purchase was suspicious because he could not afford to make such an expensive purchase.

What the hell are they basing that on?

#40 Posted by THE_DRUGGIE (24921 posts) -

@BluRayHiDef: Yeah, but all a belt does is keep your pants up.

Games keep my pants tight and more!

#41 Posted by Gen007 (10955 posts) -

@MakeMeaSammitch: Thing is what you are really paying for is the name people see gucci and they know how much you paid for it if its real that's where the real value lies not in the materials or construction. Its the prestige and attention you get for having such a belt. You want people to know youre a baller just from looking at you. Think of all the action youll get forom the opposite sex ect. That may sound silly but its real and some people are willing to pay to obtain it. Nothing wrong with that imo.

#42 Edited by Jd1680a (5897 posts) -

There is definite race discrimination for any store to think that someone is making a purchase they appear they cant afford. The man was using a credit card, not cash, buy his belt, he would either have to pay the money back at the end of the statement or make payments, either way the store gets a purchase out of it. The idea of a person walking into a store with the appearance they cant afford something is ridiculous.

Im also seeing segregation to all this, which is unlawful according to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Barney, Macy's, and the NYPD are saying that black people should not make purchases at a high end store, but instead shop at a place meant for people of their race.

By the way, if someone wants to spend $350 on a belt that is their own business. The belt is being priced at $350 for its name brand, not for the actual product.

#43 Posted by Born_Lucky (1606 posts) -

This happens to white people all the time.

The difference?

It doesn't get reported on national news.

#44 Posted by Netret0120 (1886 posts) -

I hope the store suffers and goes close to bankruptcy. Racism should not be tolerated whatsoever in any way shape or form. My best friends are White,Asian, Black and going through 3 religions. Racists should go burn.

#45 Edited by airshocker (28195 posts) -

@MrGeezer said:

@airshocker said:

Glad the TC is so stupid that he doesn't even realize that the NYPD didn't make any arrests. Which is the reason why the lawsuits are against Barney's, not the NYPD.

The security guards at Barney's detained the individuals. The NYPD simply took them into custody pending charges being filed.

Uh...maybe that's correct, but that's not what the provided links say. The sources he provided say that it was the NYPD, NOT Barney's security, who detained him.

"The two officers handcuffed Christian on the sidewalk and placed him into a police vehicle, according to the court documents filed Monday. Christian was detained in a holding cell for two hours and interrogated, as police contacted Chase Bank to check his card, Palillo said."

Now, maybe that's incorrect information. If so, I invite you to provide a source to the contrary. But if this is correct, then at no point does it look like he was detained by Barney's security. Barney's security wasn't anywhere nearby. He was out of the store and a block away, after making his totally legit purchase. He was then stopped by NYPD officers, handcuffed, taken into custody, and detained for two hours. That isn't an arrest by the NYPD? And even if it isn't considered an "arrest", then at what point did Barney's security detain the guy? Barney's security (allegedly) wasn't anywhere nearby when the dude was stopped, placed in handcuffs, and placed in police custody. I admit to not knowing the technical and legal definition of an "arrest", so MAYBE you're correct that the NYPD didn't arrest him. But even if that's true, at what point did Barney's security ever detain the guy?

Then why is the lawsuit against Barneys and not the NYPD? What you fail to understand is that the police routinely act on complaints given by the employees of a business.

So the fact remains, and that you glossed over in an attempt to nitpick technicalities with me, is that Barney's is to blame. Not the NYPD.

#46 Edited by thebest31406 (3228 posts) -

@Jd1680a said:

There is definite race discrimination for any store to think that someone is making a purchase they appear they cant afford. The man was using a credit card, not cash, buy his belt, he would either have to pay the money back at the end of the statement or make payments, either way the store gets a purchase out of it. The idea of a person walking into a store with the appearance they cant afford something is ridiculous.

Im also seeing segregation to all this, which is unlawful according to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Barney, Macy's, and the NYPD are saying that black people should not make purchases at a high end store, but instead shop at a place meant for people of their race.

By the way, if someone wants to spend $350 on a belt that is their own business. The belt is being priced at $350 for its name brand, not for the actual product.

Of course they know that. These hypocrites are positioning themselves as minimalists and yet, they don't believe in minimalism; except of course in cases such as this one, where the concept can be used in an attempt to validate the detention of a Black guy buying an extravagant accessory.

#47 Posted by vfibsux (4205 posts) -

Racism still exists, but can we stop pretending this is the norm because a story pops up once in awhile? And the kid was not arrested from what I read, he was stopped and questioned. Once it was found he purchased legit he was released. Yes it was wrong but no need to inflate it.

#48 Edited by GazaAli (22491 posts) -

How do we absolutely know that it was racially motivated? It could very much be so, but we can't really be sure, we don't have much to assert such premise.

I mean this happens all the time, when some customer that does not frequent or doesn't fit the "profile" of a luxury or high-end store or service provider enters such a business and is subsequently looked at with suspicion. I know it happened to me before here in Gaza.

Its not exclusively motivated by race that's what I'm getting at. It could be motivated by class profiling/discrimination, or it could be the case that the business has a niche customer base.

#49 Edited by Solaryellow (422 posts) -

The title of this topic is completely misleading and incorrect. Being arrested and detained are two different things.

#50 Edited by Shottayouth13- (6687 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

How do we absolutely know that it was racially motivated? It could very much be so, but we can't really be sure, we don't have much to assert such premise.

I mean this happens all the time, when some customer that does not frequent or doesn't fit the "profile" of a luxury or high-end store or service provider enters such a business and is subsequently looked at with suspicion. I know it happened to me before here in Gaza.

Its not exclusively motivated by race that's what I'm getting at. It could be motivated by class profiling/discrimination, or it could be the case that the business has a niche customer base.

Oprah, a fucking billionaire was racially profiled by some store clerk who thought that she couldn't afford a handbag.

Believe me, it was racially motivated.