@kaealy said:
@reaper4278 said:
@kaealy said:
@reaper4278 said:
@thebest31406 said:
"He broke the law so he's no hero"
Sound logic, Mr.Gates.
If he truly believed in what he was doing he would have taken his arrest like a hero rather than running like a bitch traitor to another country. Just my opinion though.
Oh, you mean like Chelsea Manning? Who has been tortured since his arrest and is probably being waterboarded as we speak? Yeah, sounds like a good idea.
If you don't like it don't break every rule of having a security clearance in the book. Everyone who is cleared at these levels knows full well the implications of revealing classified information. Manning did 100x more damage than Snowden did, and no one will ever know the true ramifications of his actions. There could be enough blood on his hands to fill a dump truck. Waterboard him until the cows come home, it won't hurt me one bit.
What is truly sad is people like these two actually hurt the true heroes who put their lives on the line every day to fight those who would see America blown to bits, yet you people call them heroes. People in the intelligence community work diligently and passionately to stop terrorist attacks before they happen, we use every tool we have to do so. Yet we are the villains now thanks to these two and others like them. These are not two heroes who helped you, they are two traitors who just made the United States a less safe place.
So, war crimes such as blowing up children with an apache helicopter should go unpunished and unnoticed? Man, patriotism sure makes you...
Just like Edward Snowden, Private Manning is not a hero. There were all kinds of things that led up to Manning's arrest for cooperating with WikiLeaks that were less than heroic, to include temper tantrums and punching a fellow Soldier in the face during an argument. As for the leaks themselves, the helicopter incident was being investigated and it was discovered that the pilots legitimately mistook the reporters killed for insurgents because they mistook their cameras for RPGs.
Manning, already pissed off because he felt like he made a mistake joining the Army, decides to give the video to WikiLeaks, along with several hundred thousand other documents, many of which he probably never read. While the diplomatic documents were mostly embarrassing information, the military documents had TTPs (Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures) troops use in convoys and during attacks. That information is very valuable to insurgents who can use it against troops. All of Manning's supports totally missed those facts (or just didn't care, since in their mind those "murderers" flying the helicopter should be exposed).
Almost everything that Manning has gone through since being arrested has been justified. He stated on paperwork he was ordered to fill out after his arrest that he had suicidal thoughts. That is reason enough to take away anything he could use to harm himself and it may be looked at as torture by an untrained person. Imagine the conspiracy theories if the Army did nothing and Manning killed himself, everybody would claim the government killed him and made it look like a suicide. The judge took off some time from the sentenced for alleged mistreatment, so maybe some guards got a little overzealous and were most likely disciplined.
Then, Manning decides the day after being sentenced to 35 years to come out and say he is a woman now. That right there got him the support of several LGBT organizations who are demanding that he is moved to a women's prison, given female hormones by the Army at taxpayer expense, and/or released outright. Manning's transition has gotten to the point where it has overshadowed the leaks themselves.
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