Bill Gates: Edward Snowden Is No Hero

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#1 Posted by Aljosa23 (24304 posts) -

"I think he broke the law, so I certainly wouldn't characterize him as a hero," Gates said. "If he wanted to raise the issues and stay in the country and engage in civil disobedience or something of that kind, or if he had been careful in terms of what he had released, then it would fit more of the model of 'OK, I'm really trying to improve things.' You won't find much admiration from me."

Gates said that there "has to be a debate" about government snooping, but indicated that some aspects of government surveillance are best left a secret. Microsoft has seen quite a bit of controversy regarding its alleged cooperation with the NSA. Last July, the Guardian reported that Microsoft had aided both the NSA and FBI in accessing user data, including providing video and audio conversations from Skype, Microsoft's video chat service. A Der Spiegel report in December also found that the NSA would use fake Windows error messages to spy on people.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/14/bill-gates-snowden_n_4964311.html

I do not think Snowden is a "hero" either but Bill's reasoning is kind of silly though not surprising since Microsoft was the first in bed for PRISM.

Bill is still amazing

#2 Edited by Riverwolf007 (23397 posts) -

i agree with him.

because if i don't i can legally be waterboarded.

#3 Posted by uninspiredcup (6871 posts) -

American governments broke the law.

#4 Posted by Master_Live (13622 posts) -

I agree with Bill in this case. But Mr. Gates, I have used Jobs products, I knew Steve Jobs, Steve Jobs was a friend of mine. Mr. Gates, you are no Steve Jobs.

#5 Posted by Aljosa23 (24304 posts) -

I agree with Bill in this case. But Mr. Gates, I have used Jobs products, I knew Steve Jobs, Steve Jobs was a friend of mine. Mr. Gates, you are no Steve Jobs.

I understood that reference.

But you are certainly right! Bill Gates is one of the greatest philanthropists of all time and Steve Jobs is some dude created electronics that will be forgotten in time.

#6 Edited by ronvalencia (15109 posts) -

@Aljosa23:

As a non-American, I agree with Bill Gates since Edward Snowden's leaks has affected Australia's relationship with certain countries.

Edward Snowden needs to be nullified. USA's gov needs to fix their out-sourcing employment issues.

I have seen Edward Snowden's postings in Ars Technica's forums.

#7 Posted by LJS9502_basic (149515 posts) -

He's right.

#8 Posted by Reaper4278 (337 posts) -

Snowden was entrusted with classified information, he betrayed that trust and his country. As an intelligence professional I know as a fact I have avenues I can take to report Intelligence Oversight violations legally. Snowden took the job he did with a premeditated plan to steal information and flee to China with it. He not only revealed the mass collection of data that was being collected, in which he cited moral obligation to the American people, but he revealed secrets to adversaries as well. He also did irreparable damage with our allies by showing them what we were spying on as well. And before anyone jumps on that they all spy on us just as much, don't let their "shock" fool you.

Now he could have been seen as a hero if he first went up the proper chains and nothing was done, then he came out to an American news organization in the name of the Constitution and revealed only the mass collection of American citizen's data. Even then he would be taking it upon himself to decide what should be revealed or not and would be breaking the law. If he had any honor he would do this because it was right then take whatever punishment was given.

Did he do that though? No. He fled to a foreign country, revealed secrets to a foreign news organization, revealed not only alleged constitutional violations against the American people, but also international spying practices. This is why he is a criminal and a traitor.

#9 Posted by dave123321 (33371 posts) -

Yeah I agree al

#10 Edited by alim298 (1022 posts) -

Well spying on people with xbone isn't legal either.

#11 Posted by LJS9502_basic (149515 posts) -

Snowden was entrusted with classified information, he betrayed that trust and his country. As an intelligence professional I know as a fact I have avenues I can take to report Intelligence Oversight violations legally. Snowden took the job he did with a premeditated plan to steal information and flee to China with it. He not only revealed the mass collection of data that was being collected, in which he cited moral obligation to the American people, but he revealed secrets to adversaries as well. He also did irreparable damage with our allies by showing them what we were spying on as well. And before anyone jumps on that they all spy on us just as much, don't let their "shock" fool you.

Now he could have been seen as a hero if he first went up the proper chains and nothing was done, then he came out to an American news organization in the name of the Constitution and revealed only the mass collection of American citizen's data. Even then he would be taking it upon himself to decide what should be revealed or not and would be breaking the law. If he had any honor he would do this because it was right then take whatever punishment was given.

Did he do that though? No. He fled to a foreign country, revealed secrets to a foreign news organization, revealed not only alleged constitutional violations against the American people, but also international spying practices. This is why he is a criminal and a traitor.

Now this post I agree with.....

#12 Posted by ad1x2 (5407 posts) -

@reaper4278: Good post, most of that is what I've been saying since the leaks came out. However, people are so focused with the surveillance leaks that if Snowden revealed war plans that got 10,000 troops killed tomorrow most people would probably still support him at this point. In fact, pretty much anything negative said about him is dismissed as part of a smear campaign by the government.

#13 Posted by thebest31406 (3236 posts) -

"He broke the law so he's no hero"

Sound logic, Mr.Gates.

#14 Posted by outworld222 (2311 posts) -

Yes, like having a sit-in like some moron in a restaurant can accomplish much :|

What a way to get your message out.

#15 Posted by playmynutz (5921 posts) -

;-) right Bill Gates

#16 Posted by MickeyTheNinja (3819 posts) -

Boo hoo, he broke the law that was in place to only protect those lying to over 300 million people. Boo fucking hoo.

#17 Posted by one_plum (6304 posts) -

Snowden aside, I'm not convinced the founder of Microsoft can offer a neutral point of view in the spying debate.

#18 Edited by LJS9502_basic (149515 posts) -

Boo hoo, he broke the law that was in place to only protect those lying to over 300 million people. Boo fucking hoo.

LOL kids...

#19 Posted by Master_Live (13622 posts) -

Who can offer a neutral point of view in the spying debate?

#20 Posted by Reaper4278 (337 posts) -

"He broke the law so he's no hero"

Sound logic, Mr.Gates.

If he truly believed in what he was doing he would have taken his arrest like a hero rather than running like a bitch traitor to another country. Just my opinion though.

#21 Posted by Reaper4278 (337 posts) -

Boo hoo, he broke the law that was in place to only protect those lying to over 300 million people. Boo fucking hoo.

Who lied? You are not entitled to know classified information. No one lied to you.

#22 Posted by Master_Live (13622 posts) -

@MickeyTheNinja said:

Boo hoo, he broke the law that was in place to only protect those lying to over 300 million people. Boo fucking hoo.

Who lied?

James Clapper did. To Congress. Under oath.

#23 Posted by Crunchy_Nuts (2749 posts) -

I have no problems with breaking the law to expose government abuse. So I'd disagree with Gates on that one.

Snowden also revealed how the USA spies on foreigners and foreign threats to the nation. As far as I'm concerned that's bordering on treason. I'm not American but I could see how US citizens may see him as a villain.

#25 Posted by Reaper4278 (337 posts) -

@reaper4278 said:

@MickeyTheNinja said:

Boo hoo, he broke the law that was in place to only protect those lying to over 300 million people. Boo fucking hoo.

Who lied?

James Clapper did. To Congress. Under oath.

It would appear that is up for debate. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/04/clapper-lie-congress-nsa-national-intelligence-counsel

In reality that committee hung him out to dry, because they knew the answers to the questions already and knew it was all classified.

#26 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16473 posts) -

Yeah...not really giving a shit what ole Bill thinks.

#27 Edited by ad1x2 (5407 posts) -

@reaper4278 said:

@Master_Live said:

@reaper4278 said:

@MickeyTheNinja said:

Boo hoo, he broke the law that was in place to only protect those lying to over 300 million people. Boo fucking hoo.

Who lied?

James Clapper did. To Congress. Under oath.

It would appear that is up for debate. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/04/clapper-lie-congress-nsa-national-intelligence-counsel

In reality that committee hung him out to dry, because they knew the answers to the questions already and knew it was all classified.

Things like that are why I believe questions like that where lawmakers know the answer is probably classified should be asked inside of one of the many SCIFs the DC area has rather than on TV.

When these type of questions are asked in an open chamber, tell the truth and you just told the world classified information the enemy can use or skirt around it by saying "the answer is classified" and you might as well have said yes, which could also be used against us.

On the other hand, if you tell a lie or omit information to protect classified information and another Snowden leaks the information what you said gets posted on Youtube just like this and you have a bunch of people who don't understand why the information was classified in the first place calling for your head for perjury.

#28 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (3685 posts) -

he cost U.S. companies billions over the next few decades.

That means lost jobs.

Thanks snowden

#29 Posted by Braun_Roid_Rage (704 posts) -
#30 Posted by thebest31406 (3236 posts) -

@reaper4278: Don't you work within the US state? It is at all possible to have an honest conversation about US policy with someone who works within the state? I don't think it's possible tbh.

#31 Edited by ultimate-k (2348 posts) -

He is a hero, Bill gates is a scum bag who wants to depopulated the human race

#32 Edited by kaealy (1433 posts) -

@thebest31406 said:

"He broke the law so he's no hero"

Sound logic, Mr.Gates.

If he truly believed in what he was doing he would have taken his arrest like a hero rather than running like a bitch traitor to another country. Just my opinion though.

Oh, you mean like Chelsea Manning? Who has been tortured since his arrest and is probably being waterboarded as we speak? Yeah, sounds like a good idea.

#33 Posted by Serraph105 (27579 posts) -

I agree with Bill on a lot of things, but there was no reasonable way for Snowden to bring this to the attention of the American people without doing what he did.

#34 Edited by MlauTheDaft (3014 posts) -

I agree with Bill on a lot of things, but there was no reasonable way for Snowden to bring this to the attention of the American people without doing what he did.

Indeed, and Chelsy Manning pretty much shows that getting out of the country was the right thing to do.

#35 Edited by Reaper4278 (337 posts) -

@Serraph105 said:

I agree with Bill on a lot of things, but there was no reasonable way for Snowden to bring this to the attention of the American people without doing what he did.

That is absolutely not true sir. We have plenty of ways to bring this stuff to light that do not involve fleeing to foreign countries with it and spilling MUCH more than what was needed to "protect" the American people. I am not saying he still would have not gotten in trouble, but he could have done it in a less traitorous way. There are even legal routes he could have taken, this is just a fact.

#36 Posted by Reaper4278 (337 posts) -

@kaealy said:

@reaper4278 said:

@thebest31406 said:

"He broke the law so he's no hero"

Sound logic, Mr.Gates.

If he truly believed in what he was doing he would have taken his arrest like a hero rather than running like a bitch traitor to another country. Just my opinion though.

Oh, you mean like Chelsea Manning? Who has been tortured since his arrest and is probably being waterboarded as we speak? Yeah, sounds like a good idea.

If you don't like it don't break every rule of having a security clearance in the book. Everyone who is cleared at these levels knows full well the implications of revealing classified information. Manning did 100x more damage than Snowden did, and no one will ever know the true ramifications of his actions. There could be enough blood on his hands to fill a dump truck. Waterboard him until the cows come home, it won't hurt me one bit.

What is truly sad is people like these two actually hurt the true heroes who put their lives on the line every day to fight those who would see America blown to bits, yet you people call them heroes. People in the intelligence community work diligently and passionately to stop terrorist attacks before they happen, we use every tool we have to do so. Yet we are the villains now thanks to these two and others like them. These are not two heroes who helped you, they are two traitors who just made the United States a less safe place.

#37 Edited by kaealy (1433 posts) -

@reaper4278 said:

@kaealy said:

@reaper4278 said:

@thebest31406 said:

"He broke the law so he's no hero"

Sound logic, Mr.Gates.

If he truly believed in what he was doing he would have taken his arrest like a hero rather than running like a bitch traitor to another country. Just my opinion though.

Oh, you mean like Chelsea Manning? Who has been tortured since his arrest and is probably being waterboarded as we speak? Yeah, sounds like a good idea.

If you don't like it don't break every rule of having a security clearance in the book. Everyone who is cleared at these levels knows full well the implications of revealing classified information. Manning did 100x more damage than Snowden did, and no one will ever know the true ramifications of his actions. There could be enough blood on his hands to fill a dump truck. Waterboard him until the cows come home, it won't hurt me one bit.

What is truly sad is people like these two actually hurt the true heroes who put their lives on the line every day to fight those who would see America blown to bits, yet you people call them heroes. People in the intelligence community work diligently and passionately to stop terrorist attacks before they happen, we use every tool we have to do so. Yet we are the villains now thanks to these two and others like them. These are not two heroes who helped you, they are two traitors who just made the United States a less safe place.

So, war crimes such as blowing up children with an apache helicopter should go unpunished and unnoticed? Man, patriotism sure makes you...

#38 Edited by ultimate-k (2348 posts) -

@kaealy said:

@reaper4278 said:

@thebest31406 said:

"He broke the law so he's no hero"

Sound logic, Mr.Gates.

If he truly believed in what he was doing he would have taken his arrest like a hero rather than running like a bitch traitor to another country. Just my opinion though.

Oh, you mean like Chelsea Manning? Who has been tortured since his arrest and is probably being waterboarded as we speak? Yeah, sounds like a good idea.

If you don't like it don't break every rule of having a security clearance in the book. Everyone who is cleared at these levels knows full well the implications of revealing classified information. Manning did 100x more damage than Snowden did, and no one will ever know the true ramifications of his actions. There could be enough blood on his hands to fill a dump truck. Waterboard him until the cows come home, it won't hurt me one bit.

What is truly sad is people like these two actually hurt the true heroes who put their lives on the line every day to fight those who would see America blown to bits, yet you people call them heroes. People in the intelligence community work diligently and passionately to stop terrorist attacks before they happen, we use every tool we have to do so. Yet we are the villains now thanks to these two and others like them. These are not two heroes who helped you, they are two traitors who just made the United States a less safe place.

They not fighting for their country, they just fighting for rich evil men to get their way, they are doing alot more harm than good.

#39 Posted by Serraph105 (27579 posts) -

@reaper4278:

I know that this is a lot to ask anyone to listen to, but this debate on whether Snowden was justified pretty much trounces every argument against the man. Its quite interesting and I request/suggest you give it a listen when you have the time.

http://www.npr.org/2014/02/18/279151014/debate-was-edward-snowden-justified

#40 Edited by Reaper4278 (337 posts) -

@kaealy said:

@reaper4278 said:

@kaealy said:

@reaper4278 said:

@thebest31406 said:

"He broke the law so he's no hero"

Sound logic, Mr.Gates.

If he truly believed in what he was doing he would have taken his arrest like a hero rather than running like a bitch traitor to another country. Just my opinion though.

Oh, you mean like Chelsea Manning? Who has been tortured since his arrest and is probably being waterboarded as we speak? Yeah, sounds like a good idea.

If you don't like it don't break every rule of having a security clearance in the book. Everyone who is cleared at these levels knows full well the implications of revealing classified information. Manning did 100x more damage than Snowden did, and no one will ever know the true ramifications of his actions. There could be enough blood on his hands to fill a dump truck. Waterboard him until the cows come home, it won't hurt me one bit.

What is truly sad is people like these two actually hurt the true heroes who put their lives on the line every day to fight those who would see America blown to bits, yet you people call them heroes. People in the intelligence community work diligently and passionately to stop terrorist attacks before they happen, we use every tool we have to do so. Yet we are the villains now thanks to these two and others like them. These are not two heroes who helped you, they are two traitors who just made the United States a less safe place.

So, war crimes such as blowing up children with an apache helicopter should go unpunished and unnoticed? Man, patriotism sure makes you...

Way to dramatize it. Actually two children were injured in the attack you are speaking of, but why let facts get in the way? After all, the more people like you repeat the lies the more people will believe it right? When you can't win the information war with truth just make it up, propaganda at its best, or worse depending on your point of view.

And people like you have no idea what goes on in these situations. I have worked as a mission intelligence coordinator (MIC) for RPA missions, you call them "drones". I now supervise several lines at a time of these missions while they are going on. When we strike someone, which is actually very rare despite what you read on your spiteful blogs, it is with the strictest ROE's in place, and typically with permission from an authority on the ground. It also typically takes several forms of intelligence to be able to strike. This apache strike was a botched strike, which does happen from time to time. What you do not hear about are the thousands of other operations we run that are not in error.

Not one shift goes by where you don't hear "killing that one bad guy today will not win the war, but killing the wrong guy can lose it". We have pilots that will tell you their proudest moments they had are the shots they did NOT take. My role as a MIC during a strike was to help ensure no collateral damage risk. It is the most important part of my job, making sure bad guys die and no one else. Yes there are times when everything is done correctly but the wrong outcome still occurs. If it is determined there was a breakdown in ROE's someone is losing their career, period.

So before you go judging me or anyone else you do not know get some facts. You, just like so many others, fall victim in this social media frenzy that gets you all worked up and eventually turns into exaggeration and lies. Yes one innocent person harmed in combat operations is one too many, but it is the nature of the beast and cannot be avoided 100% no matter how careful you are.

#41 Edited by Reaper4278 (337 posts) -

@ultimate-k said:

They not fighting for their country, they just fighting for rich evil men to get their way, they are doing alot more harm than good.

That is a simpleton, cliche argument.

@Serraph105 Not to appear close minded to the situation, but no one is going to convince me what this guy did was right. I hold the same clearances he did (outside of any special access programs he may have been part of) and I know exactly how I would handle the situation if I were to come in the know of something I thought was legally, ethically, and morally wrong. The way he handled this was wrong, period. The way Bradley Manning handled it was wrong as well, even more so due to the nature of what he released. They both put the security of the nation at risk with their lone ranger tactics.

#42 Edited by LJS9502_basic (149515 posts) -

@ultimate-k said:

They not fighting for their country, they just fighting for rich evil men to get their way, they are doing alot more harm than good.

That is a simpleton, cliche argument.

Yes. Security of the country depends on not making everything public. Though I have to say that anything put out over computers, or phones, really should come as no surprise that it isn't private anymore. Seriously.....did you really need Snowden to tell you that?

#43 Posted by Reaper4278 (337 posts) -

@reaper4278 said:

@ultimate-k said:

They not fighting for their country, they just fighting for rich evil men to get their way, they are doing alot more harm than good.

That is a simpleton, cliche argument.

Yes. Security of the country depends on not making everything public. Though I have to say that anything put out over computers, or phones, really should come as no surprise that it isn't private anymore. Seriously.....did you really need Snowden to tell you that?

It is common sense, yes. People put every little thing on their Facebook account, what they are eating for dinner, where they are going, where they went etc. Yet they cry "invasion of privacy"?

In the end neither NSA nor any one else cares about your private phone calls to your mother, work, or girlfriend. This is like complaining to the bank about being recorded by their cameras when you walk in. No one is going back and looking at them, they record just in case there is an event so they can go back and look at them. This mass collection is the same strategy. They scoop up all the phone calls, yours and mine, then when they get a tip that this guy is doing bad things they can go back and retrieve all his past calls to look into him further, look into who he talks to, build bad guy networks, etc. Imagine how many lives could be saved here. They do not exploit and analyze yours just because it is there. Do you really think they have the manpower to exploit every phone call you made to your mother this year when they have so many other important calls to analyze? This is just common sense.

#44 Edited by LJS9502_basic (149515 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@reaper4278 said:

@ultimate-k said:

They not fighting for their country, they just fighting for rich evil men to get their way, they are doing alot more harm than good.

That is a simpleton, cliche argument.

Yes. Security of the country depends on not making everything public. Though I have to say that anything put out over computers, or phones, really should come as no surprise that it isn't private anymore. Seriously.....did you really need Snowden to tell you that?

It is common sense, yes. People put every little thing on their Facebook account, what they are eating for dinner, where they are going, where they went etc. Yet they cry "invasion of privacy"?

In the end neither NSA nor any one else cares about your private phone calls to your mother, work, or girlfriend. This is like complaining to the bank about being recorded by their cameras when you walk in. No one is going back and looking at them, they record just in case there is an event so they can go back and look at them. This mass collection is the same strategy. They scoop up all the phone calls, yours and mine, then when they get a tip that this guy is doing bad things they can go back and retrieve all his past calls to look into him further, look into who he talks to, build bad guy networks, etc. Imagine how many lives could be saved here. They do not exploit and analyze yours just because it is there. Do you really think they have the manpower to exploit every phone call you made to your mother this year when they have so many other important calls to analyze? This is just common sense.

Right. They don't care....and they have limited resources. So they only look for certain target words. They really aren't interesting in your personal life.

#45 Posted by seahorse123 (1012 posts) -

Snowden is a hero. Bill gates is probably worried because he might expose some of his dirty laundry.

#46 Edited by ad1x2 (5407 posts) -

@kaealy said:

@reaper4278 said:

@kaealy said:

@reaper4278 said:

@thebest31406 said:

"He broke the law so he's no hero"

Sound logic, Mr.Gates.

If he truly believed in what he was doing he would have taken his arrest like a hero rather than running like a bitch traitor to another country. Just my opinion though.

Oh, you mean like Chelsea Manning? Who has been tortured since his arrest and is probably being waterboarded as we speak? Yeah, sounds like a good idea.

If you don't like it don't break every rule of having a security clearance in the book. Everyone who is cleared at these levels knows full well the implications of revealing classified information. Manning did 100x more damage than Snowden did, and no one will ever know the true ramifications of his actions. There could be enough blood on his hands to fill a dump truck. Waterboard him until the cows come home, it won't hurt me one bit.

What is truly sad is people like these two actually hurt the true heroes who put their lives on the line every day to fight those who would see America blown to bits, yet you people call them heroes. People in the intelligence community work diligently and passionately to stop terrorist attacks before they happen, we use every tool we have to do so. Yet we are the villains now thanks to these two and others like them. These are not two heroes who helped you, they are two traitors who just made the United States a less safe place.

So, war crimes such as blowing up children with an apache helicopter should go unpunished and unnoticed? Man, patriotism sure makes you...

Just like Edward Snowden, Private Manning is not a hero. There were all kinds of things that led up to Manning's arrest for cooperating with WikiLeaks that were less than heroic, to include temper tantrums and punching a fellow Soldier in the face during an argument. As for the leaks themselves, the helicopter incident was being investigated and it was discovered that the pilots legitimately mistook the reporters killed for insurgents because they mistook their cameras for RPGs.

Manning, already pissed off because he felt like he made a mistake joining the Army, decides to give the video to WikiLeaks, along with several hundred thousand other documents, many of which he probably never read. While the diplomatic documents were mostly embarrassing information, the military documents had TTPs (Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures) troops use in convoys and during attacks. That information is very valuable to insurgents who can use it against troops. All of Manning's supports totally missed those facts (or just didn't care, since in their mind those "murderers" flying the helicopter should be exposed).

Almost everything that Manning has gone through since being arrested has been justified. He stated on paperwork he was ordered to fill out after his arrest that he had suicidal thoughts. That is reason enough to take away anything he could use to harm himself and it may be looked at as torture by an untrained person. Imagine the conspiracy theories if the Army did nothing and Manning killed himself, everybody would claim the government killed him and made it look like a suicide. The judge took off some time from the sentenced for alleged mistreatment, so maybe some guards got a little overzealous and were most likely disciplined.

Then, Manning decides the day after being sentenced to 35 years to come out and say he is a woman now. That right there got him the support of several LGBT organizations who are demanding that he is moved to a women's prison, given female hormones by the Army at taxpayer expense, and/or released outright. Manning's transition has gotten to the point where it has overshadowed the leaks themselves.

#47 Posted by Serraph105 (27579 posts) -

@reaper4278:

So you say you know how you would have handled the same information Snowden did, how would you have handled it?

#48 Posted by LJS9502_basic (149515 posts) -

Snowden is a hero. Bill gates is probably worried because he might expose some of his dirty laundry.

No. No he's not. There ARE channels in place to properly report something you think is wrong. What he did was wrong. Not that I expect internet kids to know the difference.

#49 Posted by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

@seahorse123 said:

Snowden is a hero. Bill gates is probably worried because he might expose some of his dirty laundry.

No. No he's not. There ARE channels in place to properly report something you think is wrong. What he did was wrong. Not that I expect internet kids to know the difference.

Are you unable to form a coherent arguement?

Is that why you refer to people as "Internet kids", and state your opinion as a fact?

#50 Posted by LJS9502_basic (149515 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@seahorse123 said:

Snowden is a hero. Bill gates is probably worried because he might expose some of his dirty laundry.

No. No he's not. There ARE channels in place to properly report something you think is wrong. What he did was wrong. Not that I expect internet kids to know the difference.

Are you unable to form a coherent arguement?

Is that why you refer to people as "Internet kids", and state your opinion as a fact?

LOL...you really really need a hobby besides spending your time trolling me all weekend dude. Flattering as it is to be the object of your attention...I'm not interested.