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#1  Edited By skipper847
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Baton Rouge shooting: Seven police officers shot and three feared dead, active shooter on the loose.

Hope they catch it and kill it.

The shooting unfolded in the area of Airline and Old Hammond highways and roads were closed off in both directions between Goodwood Boulevard and Interstate 12.

One witness told WBRZ-TV that a man was dressed in black with his face covered began randomly shooting as he walked by a convenience store and car wash.

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#2 plageus900
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"What do we want? Dead cops!"....amirite OT?

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Dumb mothers f*ckers. Find and throw the book at 'em.

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Get the bomb robot out, it's time for robocop to blow up some more cop killers.

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Horrible. But when you push an agenda......someone acts.

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#6 Stesilaus
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I blame Pokemon GO.

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#7 Archangel3371
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So terrible. I hope they catch him before any more lives are lost.

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#8 mark1974
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@LJS9502_basic said:

Horrible. But when you push an agenda......someone acts.

Was someone pushing an all cops must die agenda? I wouldn't blame the acts of a deranged killer on people who protest for fair treatment.

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#9  Edited By skipper847
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There are 3 suspects. 1 shot dead and 2 on loose.

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#11  Edited By deactivated-59d151f079814
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@mark1974 said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Horrible. But when you push an agenda......someone acts.

Was someone pushing an all cops must die agenda? I wouldn't blame the acts of a deranged killer on people who protest for fair treatment.

By some one, do you mean many people as in large groups of people in multiple different marches chanting in one way or the other to kill cops or to "fry pigs"?

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#12 mark1974
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@sSubZerOo: We have had a lot of peaceful protests around the country that did not at all talk about frying pigs so why focus on that one so much? Because it suits an agenda you have? The truth is the vast majority are peaceful and the vast majority don't advocate murder of any kind. There will always be crazies with extreme views in any group. You are cherry picking to suit your prejudice and I think it's dishonest. I think this is a terrible tragedy and Police do not deserve to be shot at. I also feel it's a tragedy what is happening to black people. Picking a side is not something we have to do. You can just see murder as a bad thing regardless of who. Blame those who did the murder. Anyone chanting fry pigs is also an asshole. But don't paint all protestors with the same wide brush.

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#13  Edited By deactivated-59d151f079814
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@mark1974 said:

@sSubZerOo: We have had a lot of peaceful protests around the country that did not at all talk about frying pigs so why focus on that one so much? Because it suits an agenda you have? The truth is the vast majority are peaceful and the vast majority don't advocate murder of any kind. There will always be crazies with extreme views in any group. You are cherry picking to suit your prejudice and I think it's dishonest. I think this is a terrible tragedy and Police do not deserve to be shot at. I also feel it's a tragedy what is happening to black people. Picking a side is not something we have to do. You can just see murder as a bad thing regardless of who. Blame those who did the murder. Anyone chanting fry pigs is also an asshole. But don't paint all protestors with the same wide brush.

.. Maybe because it isn't just the base line people, we have examples of high up, leaders of the movement saying or tweeting incredibly racist things.. The reason why Toronto tweet is brought up time and time again isn't about cherry picking, its about the fact it's a fucking LEADER of the movement within that city.. Get that through your head.. BLM have done absolutely NOTHING about distancing themselves from this kind of rhetoric.. The only thing that the group and supporters have done is by shutting down any kind of criticism by crying out racism..

Which with this very same example proves that, because her "apology" wasn't a apology it was a passive aggressive speech painting her self as some how the victim..

The BLM movement have done absolutely nothing in criticizing these people.. Hell the group hasn't even publicly acknowledged that black on black crime is a serious concern and problem.. This is why people are fed up with this kind of bullshit now.. The group is only there to solve their own political skewed agenda in the guise of trying to save people..

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#14  Edited By mark1974
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@sSubZerOo: If you don't like BLM and that is legitimate, does it follow you are against every black person peacefully protesting against police treatment? What if that person says I don't care about BLM or what their so called leaders think I am hear to protest unfair treatment, do you still feel a need to put them under the same umbrella and blame them for this?

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@mark1974 said:

@sSubZerOo: If you don't like BLM and that is legitimate, does it follow you are against every black person peacefully protesting against police treatment? What if that person says I don't care about BLM or what their so called leaders think I am hear to protest unfair treatment do you still feel a need to but them under the same umbrella and blame them for this?

I have no problem with peaceful protests.. I don't think any one here has a problem with that.. To peacefully protest against police corruption and violence.. People have a problem with Black Lives Matter movement which has become incredibly divisive and hypocritical..

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@sSubZerOo: Thats cool. The problem I have is that every protestor gets vilified because of opinions of BLM. Fukk BLM. It's the underlying issues that concern me.

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I hope the perpetrator isn't killed. He needs to be brought to trial.

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I hope the two on the lose are caught or killed before they take out any more cops.

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#19  Edited By Riverwolf007
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Yay, another ambush massacre and hundreds of thousands of tweets and comments on social media praising it.

People won't be happy until there are national guardsmen on every street corner.

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@mark1974 said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Horrible. But when you push an agenda......someone acts.

Was someone pushing an all cops must die agenda? I wouldn't blame the acts of a deranged killer on people who protest for fair treatment.

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@mark1974 said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Horrible. But when you push an agenda......someone acts.

Was someone pushing an all cops must die agenda? I wouldn't blame the acts of a deranged killer on people who protest for fair treatment.

I see your question has already been answered. I'll just add that when violence in words becomes accepted.....and no one has done anything to dissuade that....then it does eventually lead to actual violence. If you want to protest.....fine. No problem with that. But violence is wrong. And not controlling your message is as well.

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#22  Edited By deactivated-59d151f079814
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@mark1974 said:

@sSubZerOo: Thats cool. The problem I have is that every protestor gets vilified because of opinions of BLM. Fukk BLM. It's the underlying issues that concern me.

.. Because the protestors are identifying as part of the black lives matter movement.. How ever benign the protestor themselves are, they are self identifying with a group that is radicalizing and is known to defend gang members who died due to justified police force.. Even the two recent shootings has turned into over the top bullshit all over again.. The first one, the guy had a rap sheet pages long, and had a pistol in his pants (that he shouldn't of had) and was RESISTING ARREST on the ground with said weapon... The second one, the girl friend lied (even the girl friends mother on social media called her a known LIAR) about the reason they were pulled over was a busted tail light, when it was the fact he matched the likeness of a person who robbed a store at gun point..

Furthermore the movement acts like the crime rate has nothing to do with it.. IF 6% of the population commit over 50% of the nation's crime, they sure as shit are going to be interacting with the police far more leading to those kinds of situations.. Yet it is complete blindness with said issue and it has devalued into "white privilege" horseshit and other such rhetoric.. I am willing to admit that the American police force has corruption, brutality, racism and seems to get off a lot more than they are suppose to.. Can the BLM people admit that their community has a staggering violent crime problem as well? I mean the first step to solving something is admitting you have a problem.

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@sSubZerOo said:

Furthermore the movement acts like the crime rate has nothing to do with it.. IF 6% of the population commit over 50% of the nation's crime, they sure as shit are going to be interacting with the police far more leading to those kinds of situations.. Yet it is complete blindness with said issue and it has devalued into "white privilege" horseshit and other such rhetoric.. I am willing to admit that the American police force has corruption, brutality and seems to get off a lot more than they are suppose to.. Can the BLM people admit that their community has a staggering violent crime problem as well? I mean the first step to solving something is admitting you have a problem.

Do you expect this joke of a movement to address and understand actual FACTS surrounding the black community? The impression I get from them is that every (or pretty damned close) interaction a black person has with cops is unjust, racially based and flat out wrong. The movement needs to look in the mirror and embrace reality.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@mark1974 said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Horrible. But when you push an agenda......someone acts.

Was someone pushing an all cops must die agenda? I wouldn't blame the acts of a deranged killer on people who protest for fair treatment.

I see your question has already been answered. I'll just add that when violence in words becomes accepted.....and no one has done anything to dissuade that....then it does eventually lead to actual violence. If you want to protest.....fine. No problem with that. But violence is wrong. And not controlling your message is as well.

... Exactly nothing is stopping the leaders of the BLM to openly condemn the ridiculous displays of their movement, but they don't.. How the hell can ANYONE defend their actions when they held up the LGBT parade in Toronto as guests of honor and coerced the host into accepting their demands.. We live in a pretty crazy world right now.. Where the Neo Nazi's, openly condemned as dangerous fringe group, are the ones with a peaceful gathering that led to a mass anti group that assaulted them at their rally.. Meanwhile the group that is seen looking for justice and "peaceful" have had protests that devolved into open riots like in Baltimore in which they tore up the city.... This is some kind bizarre world we live in.

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I just read he was a poster on this forum.

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One of the people that killed the police has a youtube channel and he has crazy ramblings on them. I won't post it on here because **** him. You can find it for your education purposes on news media outlets.

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#27  Edited By CommandoAgent
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@sSubZerOo said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@mark1974 said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Horrible. But when you push an agenda......someone acts.

Was someone pushing an all cops must die agenda? I wouldn't blame the acts of a deranged killer on people who protest for fair treatment.

I see your question has already been answered. I'll just add that when violence in words becomes accepted.....and no one has done anything to dissuade that....then it does eventually lead to actual violence. If you want to protest.....fine. No problem with that. But violence is wrong. And not controlling your message is as well.

... Exactly nothing is stopping the leaders of the BLM to openly condemn the ridiculous displays of their movement, but they don't.. How the hell can ANYONE defend their actions when they held up the LGBT parade in Toronto as guests of honor and coerced the host into accepting their demands.. We live in a pretty crazy world right now.. Where the Neo Nazi's, openly condemned as dangerous fringe group, are the ones with a peaceful gathering that led to a mass anti group that assaulted them at their rally.. Meanwhile the group that is seen looking for justice and "peaceful" have had protests that devolved into open riots like in Baltimore in which they tore up the city.... This is some kind bizarre world we live in.

I love how the Canadian local Toronto News Keeps defending the BLM group.. It just further shows the left hypocrisy.

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What is the connection between the shooter and the BLM movement?

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@Stesilaus said:

I blame Pokemon GO.

Amen.

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#30 brandonisking99
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While I do agree that a whole lot police in the U.S. are trigger happy as hell, most just do their damn job. You can't just go around and shoot police that didn't do shit wrong. People need to learn how to change things they want changed by peacefully protesting. Not by violence.

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@Master_Live said:
@Stesilaus said:

I blame Pokemon GO.

Amen.

It's terrible what can happen when police officers and civilians vie to catch the same Pokemon.

Seriously, though ...

I'm so appalled by the recent shootings that I now feel bad about all the times I've trumpeted police shooting incidents here on OT. If the truth be told, I can recall only about two occasions on which I've remained convinced that the police acted both deliberately and excessively after I've read both sides of the story or watched the video evidence.

I deem the current situation to be a grim but inevitable consequence of the media fixation on police violence. Whether there's an "agenda", or whether the only agenda is to profit from the sensationalism that accompanies police shootings, I cannot say. But I do feel that the mainstream media has "poisoned the well". :-(

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@drunk_pi said:

What is the connection between the shooter and the BLM movement?

Nothing really. It's just another veteran with possible PTSD and mental health issues that could easily access guns. It's just crazy when a cop kills some will blame all cops and when someone like this kills some will blame entire groups. Once again it's another lone gun man but for some reason the media is baiting everyone to think that a "movement" was behind this so the movement is responsible just like the media baited how all cops are crooked, it's crazy.

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Time to look at BLM as a terrorist organization.

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#34 Drunk_PI
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Enough is enough. Violence will only exacerbate the problem.

@Gaming-Planet said:

Time to look at BLM as a terrorist organization.

The terrorism label is being thrown around pretty loosely. Reminds me of the time when MLK and the Civil Rights Movement were labeled as communist sympathizers.

Also, it appears that the Baton Rouge shooter had ties to Nation of Islam but nothing definite with BLM.

@Stesilaus said:

It's terrible what can happen when police officers and civilians vie to catch the same Pokemon.

Seriously, though ...

I'm so appalled by the recent shootings that I now feel bad about all the times I've trumpeted police shooting incidents here on OT. If the truth be told, I can recall only about two occasions on which I've remained convinced that the police acted both deliberately and excessively after I've read both sides of the story or watched the video evidence.

I deem the current situation to be a grim but inevitable consequence of the media fixation on police violence. Whether there's an "agenda", or whether the only agenda is to profit from the sensationalism that accompanies police shootings, I cannot say. But I do feel that the mainstream media has "poisoned the well". :-(

The same media that covers police shootings is the same media that exaggerates crime and especially depicting blacks committing criminal offenses. Ratings is ideal but ideally, the media's job is to report.

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@sSubZerOo: If you don't like BLM and that is legitimate, does it follow you are against every black person peacefully protesting against police treatment? What if that person says I don't care about BLM or what their so called leaders think I am hear to protest unfair treatment do you still feel a need to but them under the same umbrella and blame them for this?

I have no problem with peaceful protests.. I don't think any one here has a problem with that.. To peacefully protest against police corruption and violence.. People have a problem with Black Lives Matter movement which has become incredibly divisive and hypocritical..

You have BLM leaders of different counties and states calling for the end of violence: LINK & LINK

You're making the assumption that BLM is under the leadership of one or couple of powerful people. It's not. It's very disorganized and uncoordinated, hence why it has its problems. It doesn't excuse some parts of BLM making inflammatory remarks on the police, but it does demonstrate that even when you have other parts of BLM protesting peacefully, you have people picking and choosing what they want to hear.

As for peaceful protesting, it works to a certain extent. Is it peaceful protesting when they take to the streets? Is it peaceful protesting when they're sitting in the whites-only section in a restaurant or when an "uppity" black woman doesn't want to give up her seat to a white man? It's not a "yes or no" answer. It depends on your perspective but all scenarios rely on conflict in order to further their message.

I'm not arguing for protesters to become violent towards the police or anyone really but peaceful protests can still inflame violence from the other side and that can be ideal for the peaceful protesters in order to advance their message and generate sympathy for their cause. Here's an interesting perspective form the Washington Post.

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I don't think they idiots who committed this crime is thinking because this only creates more tension and creates an unofficial war between civilians and cops. Regular cops are now going to be more uncertain of individuals actions because of this nonsense.

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@mark1974 said:

@sSubZerOo: We have had a lot of peaceful protests around the country that did not at all talk about frying pigs so why focus on that one so much? Because it suits an agenda you have? The truth is the vast majority are peaceful and the vast majority don't advocate murder of any kind. There will always be crazies with extreme views in any group. You are cherry picking to suit your prejudice and I think it's dishonest. I think this is a terrible tragedy and Police do not deserve to be shot at. I also feel it's a tragedy what is happening to black people. Picking a side is not something we have to do. You can just see murder as a bad thing regardless of who. Blame those who did the murder. Anyone chanting fry pigs is also an asshole. But don't paint all protestors with the same wide brush.

The focus is on those because none of you "peaceful protesters" even so much as tried to condemn those sentiments. And if BLM didn't have an agenda against cops, they'd protest the deaths of cops too. Can you show us a protest launched by BLM against the killing of cops? No? Uh-oh, sounds like someone's full of shit then.

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#38 comp_atkins
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It is sad that policemen are heavily discriminated and violently murdered. And certain top officials still trying to pretend he cares while reciting statistics against police at memorial. This kind of message will not end cop killings for sure. Sad.

and you think a moron who is going to go out and try to shoot cops would be listening to "top officials" in the first place?

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@N30F3N1X: I have condemned those sentiments and I can only speak for myself. Black lives matters was not created to defend cops. It's not their focus so I really wouldn't expect them to protest the death of cops.

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@N30F3N1X said:

The focus is on those because none of you "peaceful protesters" even so much as tried to condemn those sentiments. And if BLM didn't have an agenda against cops, they'd protest the deaths of cops too. Can you show us a protest launched by BLM against the killing of cops? No? Uh-oh, sounds like someone's full of shit then.

Can you show me a protest by the NRA and its members against the massacres at Sandy Hook? Can you show me a protest by the Tea Party against stop-and-frisk in New York? Whether you can or can't is irrelevant because the argument made is illogical.

The point of BLM is to protest police discrimination and injustices towards those in the black community. Any organization who has a specific mission doesn't necessarily have to protest, condemn, or promote political or social issues that aren't relevant to their core message.

That said, here's a bunch of BLM supporters calling out against violence towards the police: LINK And BLM itself opposing violence in Dallas and officers in general: LINK

Someone's full of shit but it isn't the poster you quoted.

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#41  Edited By SolidSnake35
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What do you know? You're a white male!

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@mark1974 said:

@N30F3N1X: I have condemned those sentiments and I can only speak for myself. Black lives matters was not created to defend cops. It's not their focus so I really wouldn't expect them to protest the death of cops.

True, you can only speak for yourself, but so can everyone in the BLM movement. Where's the trending hashtag against killing cops? It doesn't matter that cops die during supposedly peaceful protests as long as those cops aren't black?

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@N30F3N1X: I don't know how much this relates to your point but one of those cops killed in Baton Rouge was black. The guy does not seem to even be connected to black lives matters and was just a troubled ex soldier.

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@mark1974 said:

@N30F3N1X: I have condemned those sentiments and I can only speak for myself. Black lives matters was not created to defend cops. It's not their focus so I really wouldn't expect them to protest the death of cops.

If what you espouse leads to trouble, you have a responsibility to clarify your position. Silence makes you look guilty.

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#45 mark1974
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@SolidSnake35: I'm not sure there is evidence that these shooters did what they did because of anything black lives matters has said or done.

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#46  Edited By N30F3N1X
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@drunk_pi said:
@N30F3N1X said:

The focus is on those because none of you "peaceful protesters" even so much as tried to condemn those sentiments. And if BLM didn't have an agenda against cops, they'd protest the deaths of cops too. Can you show us a protest launched by BLM against the killing of cops? No? Uh-oh, sounds like someone's full of shit then.

Can you show me a protest by the NRA and its members against the massacres at Sandy Hook? Can you show me a protest by the Tea Party against stop-and-frisk in New York? Whether you can or can't is irrelevant because the argument made is illogical.

The point of BLM is to protest police discrimination and injustices towards those in the black community. Any organization who has a specific mission doesn't necessarily have to protest, condemn, or promote political or social issues that aren't relevant to their core message.

That said, here's a bunch of BLM supporters calling out against violence towards the police: LINK And BLM itself opposing violence in Dallas and officers in general: LINK

Someone's full of shit but it isn't the poster you quoted.

The NRA and Tea Party didn't have targeted killings at their protests and their (supposed) aim isn't reduction of violence or peaceful cohexistence. Why not ask about Greenpeace and NATO while you're at it? You're the one who's making illogical arguments.

The difference is that BLM has been repeatedly been accused of inciting violence against cops, and the movement as a whole didn't even bother trying to get rid of these accusations. Inciting violence is quite dissonant with protesting against discrimination, don't you think? Unlike the idiotic examples you made that have absolutely nothing to do with the argument.

Besides, the supposed police discrimination has been statistically proven to be unexistant - worse, blacks are undertargeted by invasive police procedures. The movement should've either flat out stopped itself in its tracks or changed aim immediately when those statistics came out. Instead it still goes on, whining about how unfairly black people are being treated compared to everyone else when in fact the very things they're whining about inconvenience them less than anyone else. That's how any critical-thinking and fact-valuing person understands the movement is dishonest.

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#47 N30F3N1X
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@mark1974 said:

@SolidSnake35: I'm not sure there is evidence that these shooters did what they did because of anything black lives matters has said or done.

Very true. But you're asking for a standard of proof that goes well beyond the capabilities of arguments over the internet.

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#48 SolidSnake35
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@mark1974 said:

@SolidSnake35: I'm not sure there is evidence that these shooters did what they did because of anything black lives matters has said or done.

I don't know. Such terrible rhetoric... it might just push some over the edge. I know I come close to gouging my own eyes out when I read their latest argument.

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#50 bmanva
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@mark1974 said:

@sSubZerOo: If you don't like BLM and that is legitimate, does it follow you are against every black person peacefully protesting against police treatment? What if that person says I don't care about BLM or what their so called leaders think I am hear to protest unfair treatment, do you still feel a need to put them under the same umbrella and blame them for this?

BLM is absolutely to be blame for the hostility cops are facing recently. Anyone who extrajudicially and publicly pass judgement in the aftermath of any shooting is responsible for the consequences regardless of whether they are doing it peacefully or not. How can anyone without access to all relevant facts, evidences and testimonies (you know like the kind that's provided in a courtroom?) know whether the "treatment" is unfair or not?

Don Lemon claims that BLM's message is one of peace, that is complete bullshit (as much as the claim that Islam is a religion of peace, or any religion for that matter). BLM advocate punishment for cops for any use of force as long as the victims are black, outside of our legal system. That's not a message of peace but a call to action; core BLM message is "your justice system has failed you, take matter into your own hand".