Atheists have no morals?

#1 Edited by The_Last_Ride (74264 posts) -
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This is not the only time i have seen this kind of video or this even being mentioned. Why do religious people think that atheists have no morale whatsoever?

#2 Posted by SolidSnake35 (58226 posts) -

Because they acting like a damn foo'.

#3 Edited by dave123321 (34363 posts) -

Be careful about generalizing the religious folks

#4 Posted by SaintLeonidas (26733 posts) -

Atheists obviously have no morals. Hence why the large majority of prisoners are atheists. Oh, wait...

#5 Posted by chessmaster1989 (29728 posts) -

>Why do religious people think that atheists have no morale whatsoever?

Because they don't, duh

#6 Posted by br0kenrabbit (13417 posts) -

Atheists have plenty of morale, especially with all the legal battles swinging in their favor. I don't think atheists have ever had more morale than they have right now. Stoked, I tell you.

#7 Posted by Xeno_ghost (696 posts) -

Morale?

#8 Posted by lostrib (42144 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

This is not the only time i have seen this kind of video or this even being mentioned. Why do religious people think that atheists have no morale whatsoever?

Why can't atheists distinguish between morale and morals?

#9 Posted by thehig1 (3228 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride: I love that girl, I've watched her videos for a while now.

#10 Posted by toast_burner (22543 posts) -

If the only thing preventing you from going on a killing spree is fear of hell, then you need psychological help.

#11 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152304 posts) -

Ah the smell of generalizations in the air....

#12 Edited by Master_Live (15747 posts) -

Well, I may no have morale but I do have morals.

#13 Posted by Korvus (7398 posts) -

Why the fuck can't people leave each other alone? Why the constant need for approval of their own beliefs and actions by belittling everybody else's? So annoying...

#14 Posted by sSubZerOo (43941 posts) -

Honestly I think nothing better sums up my feelings on the matter than what Rust says in True Detectives: " If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward then, brother, that person is a piece of sh*t. And I'd like to get as many of them out in the open as possible. You gotta get together and tell yourself stories that violate every law of the universe just to get through the goddamn day? What's that say about your reality?"

#15 Edited by bforrester420 (1996 posts) -

Morality comes from society, not religion. If you look at the 10 Commandments objectively, they're pretty much common sense rules required for a community to function successfully, with the exception of junk about other gods, the Sabbath, taking the Lord's name in vain, etc.

#16 Posted by ad1x2 (5789 posts) -

When I saw the topic title I was thinking it was going to be about a bunch of suicidal atheists. Morale and morals are not the same thing.

Anyway, things like this are always bait for a huge pissing contest between atheists who like to mock religion and theists who make it a point to point out that atheists are doomed to damnation. Always good for laughs but repetitive after awhile.

#17 Posted by MrFreehuggs (101 posts) -

Ahhh... Religious wars... the predecessor to System Wars

#18 Edited by lightleggy (16087 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:
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This is not the only time i have seen this kind of video or this even being mentioned. Why do religious people think that atheists have no morale whatsoever?

Morals*. Morale is a mood characterized by feelings of bravery and happiness.

And the basic logic goes like this: Atheist don't believe in a higher power so they don't believe they are "restricted" to do stuff. Say if a religious guy is invited to a crazy party and he says "No thanks, because I don't really like crazy parties because I don't do drugs or drink". Then an atheist is invited as well, he goes over, he knows there is really nothing to fear asides from obvious consequences so he gets drunk and wasted.

Of course not every atheist is like that, or religious people for that matter. But that's just the basic premise behind the "atheists have no morals" train of thought.

#19 Posted by The_Last_Ride (74264 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

This is not the only time i have seen this kind of video or this even being mentioned. Why do religious people think that atheists have no morale whatsoever?

Why can't atheists distinguish between morale and morals?

Because i don't usually speak english and i made a typo deal with it

#20 Edited by lostrib (42144 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@lostrib said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

This is not the only time i have seen this kind of video or this even being mentioned. Why do religious people think that atheists have no morale whatsoever?

Why can't atheists distinguish between morale and morals?

Because i don't usually speak english and i made a typo deal with it

Dude, it's in the video you're railing against

#21 Posted by The_Last_Ride (74264 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@lostrib said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

This is not the only time i have seen this kind of video or this even being mentioned. Why do religious people think that atheists have no morale whatsoever?

Why can't atheists distinguish between morale and morals?

Because i don't usually speak english and i made a typo deal with it

Dude, it's in the video you're railing against

and i said, i made a typo. Big deal i fixed it

#22 Posted by MrGeezer (57021 posts) -

@sSubZerOo said:

Honestly I think nothing better sums up my feelings on the matter than what Rust says in True Detectives: " If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward then, brother, that person is a piece of sh*t. And I'd like to get as many of them out in the open as possible. You gotta get together and tell yourself stories that violate every law of the universe just to get through the goddamn day? What's that say about your reality?"

Well see, even that's sort of misleading. I don't think there are many religious people who keep themselves decent ONLY because of the expectation of divine reward. For starters, most religious people don't want to go to jail, so if nothing else that's enough incentive to keep them from stealing and killing. And sure, you could say "If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of not being imprisoned then, brother, that person is a piece of shit." But then we'd have to lump atheists in there too, since most atheists don't want to go to prison either.

My point being, what you've said is basically an absurd oversimplification of the religious motive. It doesn't work like that. Same like when some atheists say that Christians hate science. And...no. Those "science-hating christians" are usually going to the doctor and buying cars and watching TV. They're demonstrably not anti-science, so why the hell do people keep saying that they are? These kinds of claims directed towards the religious are just as absurd as when the religious say stupid shit such as that atheists have no morals. All these things are CLEARLY wrong with regards to MOST people, so how the fuck is it that people still believe these oversimplifications?

#23 Posted by MrGeezer (57021 posts) -

@lightleggy said:

Morals*. Morale is a mood characterized by feelings of bravery and happiness.

And the basic logic goes like this: Atheist don't believe in a higher power so they don't believe they are "restricted" to do stuff. Say if a religious guy is invited to a crazy party and he says "No thanks, because I don't really like crazy parties because I don't do drugs or drink". Then an atheist is invited as well, he goes over, he knows there is really nothing to fear asides from obvious consequences so he gets drunk and wasted.

Of course not every atheist is like that, or religious people for that matter. But that's just the basic premise behind the "atheists have no morals" train of thought.

I realize that that's the premise, I'm just saying that it's a stupid premise. It's like, there was recently a topic here about that movie The Purge, where murder was made legal for one night out of the year and then people actually went around murdering. Whether we're talking about god's law or man's law, incentives usually extend beyond the law. If you legally murder your neighbor on Purge Night, that's gonna have big fucking repercussions so you don't do it (even though it's legal). If you're an atheist and don't believe in god's law, murdering people is STILL gonna have big repercussions so you don't fucking do it. And in both cases, the law is typically reactionary rather than preventative, so the people who really want to do it are gonna do it anyway. God doesn't want priests banging little kids, but that didn't stop there from being that big scandal with Catholic priests being caught diddling kids.

#24 Edited by TheFlush (5651 posts) -

Of course we don't have morals, otherwise we couldn't eat those delicious babies. And I love me some babies.

#25 Posted by airshocker (30914 posts) -

A handful of videos on the internet isn't indicative of a widespread belief.

It's stupid that this has to be explained to some people.

#27 Edited by sSubZerOo (43941 posts) -

@MrGeezer said:

@sSubZerOo said:

Honestly I think nothing better sums up my feelings on the matter than what Rust says in True Detectives: " If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward then, brother, that person is a piece of sh*t. And I'd like to get as many of them out in the open as possible. You gotta get together and tell yourself stories that violate every law of the universe just to get through the goddamn day? What's that say about your reality?"

Well see, even that's sort of misleading. I don't think there are many religious people who keep themselves decent ONLY because of the expectation of divine reward. For starters, most religious people don't want to go to jail, so if nothing else that's enough incentive to keep them from stealing and killing. And sure, you could say "If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of not being imprisoned then, brother, that person is a piece of shit." But then we'd have to lump atheists in there too, since most atheists don't want to go to prison either.

My point being, what you've said is basically an absurd oversimplification of the religious motive. It doesn't work like that. Same like when some atheists say that Christians hate science. And...no. Those "science-hating christians" are usually going to the doctor and buying cars and watching TV. They're demonstrably not anti-science, so why the hell do people keep saying that they are? These kinds of claims directed towards the religious are just as absurd as when the religious say stupid shit such as that atheists have no morals. All these things are CLEARLY wrong with regards to MOST people, so how the fuck is it that people still believe these oversimplifications?

Sigh.. I am specifically talking about in REGARDS OF MORALS for what the TC said.. What I did not quote was what Marty suggested before this, that society would be in shambles if we didn't have religion guiding our way.. I am pointing out this bankrupt argument that religion some how creates the morals we follow by.. Furthermore legality<>morality.. You clearly have never seen the show..

#28 Edited by MrGeezer (57021 posts) -

@sSubZerOo said:

Sigh.. I am specifically talking about in REGARDS OF MORALS for what the TC said.. What I did not quote was what Marty suggested before this, that society would be in shambles if we didn't have religion guiding our way.. I am pointing out this bankrupt argument that religion some how creates the morals we follow by.. Furthermore legality<>morality.. You clearly have never seen the show..

You didn't post the show. You posted a quote and then claimed that that quote summed up your thoughts, despite the quote being applicable to hardly anyone. Maybe it made sense within the context of the show, I don't know. But on its own, it's a stupid quote so you shouldn't have used it.

#29 Posted by _Judas_ (675 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride: I don't like the fact that both you and this girl (sorry, didn't watch video) generalize so.

I do believe that sometimes atheists come across as apathic people ; they sound like they don't care about anything and often proud to denounce religion, God or whatever. I've talked to many atheists and they often love the oppertunity to pester religous people with questions about God, about Genesis, about evolution -- the list goes on. They like to challenge the religious folks. It's funny really, because both parties can be so stubborn, they both walk away from the discussion with an aura of smugness about them, laughing and shaking their heads, acting like the victor.

Often, they seek out religious people to "challenge" them to a discussion. In my experience, too many atheists try so hard to battle religious people that I guess they can come across a bit... apathic. Many of the ones I've spoken to and spent a day with (lol, sounds like I'm a reporter or something) often carry a hatred ,almost, towards religious people.

We had a student from Canada staying at our place while she visited our country. This girl told us about the misguidings of the religious people, and boasted on how she always "destroyed" Christians when debating that never-ending question of faith.

Sorry, I have to go now... I didn't get to finish my post, but I have to leave. Be nice :p

#30 Posted by toast_burner (22543 posts) -

@_Judas_ said:

@The_Last_Ride: I don't like the fact that both you and this girl (sorry, didn't watch video) generalize so.

I do believe that sometimes atheists come across as apathic people ; they sound like they don't care about anything and often proud to denounce religion, God or whatever. I've talked to many atheists and they often love the oppertunity to pester religous people with questions about God, about Genesis, about evolution -- the list goes on. They like to challenge the religious folks. It's funny really, because both parties can be so stubborn, they both walk away from the discussion with an aura of smugness about them, laughing and shaking their heads, acting like the victor.

Often, they seek out religious people to "challenge" them to a discussion. In my experience, too many atheists try so hard to battle religious people that I guess they can come across a bit... apathic. Many of the ones I've spoken to and spent a day with (lol, sounds like I'm a reporter or something) often carry a hatred ,almost, towards religious people.

We had a student from Canada staying at our place while she visited our country. This girl told us about the misguidings of the religious people, and boasted on how she always "destroyed" Christians when debating that never-ending question of faith.

Sorry, I have to go now... I didn't get to finish my post, but I have to leave. Be nice :p

She stated right at the start that she knows most religious people aren't like him and it's bad that religion gets treated badly because of some outspoken idiots. Don't accuse someone of generalising when you didn't even bother watching the first 10 seconds. The fact that you assumed she generalised simply because she is an atheists is incredibly hypocritical.

#31 Posted by YearoftheSnake5 (8011 posts) -

Not all of them think that. It's very rare for me to run into anyone with the "If you're not religious, you have no morals" mindset.

#32 Edited by _Judas_ (675 posts) -

@toast_burner: yes, sorry. I didn't have time to watch it. It doesn't mean I'm hypocritical... I clearly stated that I didn't watch the video. I based my response on The_Last_Ride's comment, and I "assumed" she generalized. I'll review it later when I have time (watching football at the moment).

#33 Posted by MlauTheDaft (4439 posts) -

If there's are two things a zealot hates more than other zealots, it's religeous casuals and atheists.

Of course they think we're amoral, we tend to point out that being religeous is akin to believing in ghosts.

#34 Posted by The_Last_Ride (74264 posts) -

@lightleggy said:

@The_Last_Ride said:
Loading Video...

This is not the only time i have seen this kind of video or this even being mentioned. Why do religious people think that atheists have no morale whatsoever?

Morals*. Morale is a mood characterized by feelings of bravery and happiness.

And the basic logic goes like this: Atheist don't believe in a higher power so they don't believe they are "restricted" to do stuff. Say if a religious guy is invited to a crazy party and he says "No thanks, because I don't really like crazy parties because I don't do drugs or drink". Then an atheist is invited as well, he goes over, he knows there is really nothing to fear asides from obvious consequences so he gets drunk and wasted.

Of course not every atheist is like that, or religious people for that matter. But that's just the basic premise behind the "atheists have no morals" train of thought.

i fixed the title.

#35 Edited by pariah3 (966 posts) -
@SaintLeonidas said:

Atheists obviously have no morals. Hence why the large majority of prisoners are atheists. Oh, wait...

Most people today are not very moral. We live in an era where almost everyone is greedy and where everyone just wants to make as much money as they can.

Most of us are atheists in some sense. What I mean by this is that I think there is an 'atheist' in every one of us.

Most people know that one day they will die and cease to exist so if life is so short and we only get to live once then most people have no reason to care about other people or anything else other than themselves for that matter.

#36 Edited by Xeno_ghost (696 posts) -

@toast_burner: " If the only thing preventing you from going on a killing spree is fear of hell."

One only needs to repent and all shall be forgiven.

#37 Edited by The_Last_Ride (74264 posts) -

@_Judas_ said:

@The_Last_Ride: I don't like the fact that both you and this girl (sorry, didn't watch video) generalize so.

I do believe that sometimes atheists come across as apathic people ; they sound like they don't care about anything and often proud to denounce religion, God or whatever. I've talked to many atheists and they often love the oppertunity to pester religous people with questions about God, about Genesis, about evolution -- the list goes on. They like to challenge the religious folks. It's funny really, because both parties can be so stubborn, they both walk away from the discussion with an aura of smugness about them, laughing and shaking their heads, acting like the victor.

Often, they seek out religious people to "challenge" them to a discussion. In my experience, too many atheists try so hard to battle religious people that I guess they can come across a bit... apathic. Many of the ones I've spoken to and spent a day with (lol, sounds like I'm a reporter or something) often carry a hatred ,almost, towards religious people.

We had a student from Canada staying at our place while she visited our country. This girl told us about the misguidings of the religious people, and boasted on how she always "destroyed" Christians when debating that never-ending question of faith.

Sorry, I have to go now... I didn't get to finish my post, but I have to leave. Be nice :p

She clearly states people like this give religious people a bad name... And i never said everyone, i asked why religious people like this guy think atheists have no morals.

I don't seek out to "challenge" anyone. I have never EVER fucking seen any atheists go round in the streets pestering people about eternal hell or joining them by shouting. I have met plenty of Jehovas witnesses and what not trying to convert me, and i politely say no. So if there are a few out there challenging so called religious people isn't that their right? Freedom of speech dude. If religious people can pester and shout in the streets about eternal torture and hell why can't anyone call them out? You are the one generalizing atheists here. I could take on people on in religious debates and how was she apathic as you state we are?

#39 Posted by Jacanuk (5562 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@lostrib said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

This is not the only time i have seen this kind of video or this even being mentioned. Why do religious people think that atheists have no morale whatsoever?

Why can't atheists distinguish between morale and morals?

Because i don't usually speak english and i made a typo deal with it

Dude, it's in the video you're railing against

Thank you for derailing the thread

But do you mind taking your grammarnazi behaviour elsewhere and if you feel so strongly about grammar and spelling make a thread about it. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude (Just to have that "lowerclass" word in there)

#40 Posted by lostrib (42144 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@lostrib said:

Dude, it's in the video you're railing against

Thank you for derailing the thread

But do you mind taking your grammarnazi behaviour elsewhere and if you feel so strongly about grammar and spelling make a thread about it. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude (Just to have that "lowerclass" word in there)

You're criticizing me for derailing for 2 posts, over 12 hours ago? That you felt the need to then comment on, even though that discussion has obviously been dropped. Sounds like you're the one trying to derail.

#41 Edited by Jacanuk (5562 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride: Do anyone need anyone to tell them that most normal sane people have morals since morals comes from having "Feelings" and knowing whats right and wrong.

So crazy topic where everyone hopefully know that morals are a deep fundamental part of humans and have been every since Ancient Greece where Ethos first were mentioned. And for anyone not knowing their history Ancient Greece is BC.

#42 Posted by PurpleLabel (314 posts) -

It's a scientific religious fact that only christians have morals. Morals is latin for Christian value. Atheists can find their own path to glory.

#43 Posted by Jacanuk (5562 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@Jacanuk said:

@lostrib said:

Dude, it's in the video you're railing against

Thank you for derailing the thread

But do you mind taking your grammarnazi behaviour elsewhere and if you feel so strongly about grammar and spelling make a thread about it. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude (Just to have that "lowerclass" word in there)

You're criticizing me for derailing for 2 posts, over 12 hours ago? That you felt the need to then comment on, even though that discussion has obviously been dropped. Sounds like you're the one trying to derail.

Dont care how long ago you wrote it. Just can't stand people who think they can correct others when it comes to spelling or grammar on a internet forum.

#44 Edited by lostrib (42144 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@lostrib said:

@Jacanuk said:

Thank you for derailing the thread

But do you mind taking your grammarnazi behaviour elsewhere and if you feel so strongly about grammar and spelling make a thread about it. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude (Just to have that "lowerclass" word in there)

You're criticizing me for derailing for 2 posts, over 12 hours ago? That you felt the need to then comment on, even though that discussion has obviously been dropped. Sounds like you're the one trying to derail.

Dont care how long ago you wrote it. Just can't stand people who think they can correct others when it comes to spelling or grammar on a internet forum.

Well there is quite a difference between morale and morals. Now please stop derailing this thread

#45 Posted by toast_burner (22543 posts) -

@purplelabel said:

It's a scientific religious fact that only christians have morals. Morals is latin for Christian value. Atheists can find their own path to glory.

Are you trolling? Moral comes from the Latin word moralitas which means manner/character. It has nothing to do with Christianity.

#46 Posted by Jacanuk (5562 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@Jacanuk said:

@lostrib said:

@Jacanuk said:

Thank you for derailing the thread

But do you mind taking your grammarnazi behaviour elsewhere and if you feel so strongly about grammar and spelling make a thread about it. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude (Just to have that "lowerclass" word in there)

You're criticizing me for derailing for 2 posts, over 12 hours ago? That you felt the need to then comment on, even though that discussion has obviously been dropped. Sounds like you're the one trying to derail.

Dont care how long ago you wrote it. Just can't stand people who think they can correct others when it comes to spelling or grammar on a internet forum.

Well there is quite a difference between morale and morals. Now please stop derailing this thread

There might be but clearly everyone knew what was meant, well except you but your use of "dude" kinda says it all.

#47 Edited by Jacanuk (5562 posts) -

@purplelabel said:

It's a scientific religious fact that only christians have morals. Morals is latin for Christian value. Atheists can find their own path to glory.

Nice sarcastic comment ;)

#48 Posted by lostrib (42144 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@lostrib said:

@Jacanuk said:

@lostrib said:

@Jacanuk said:

Thank you for derailing the thread

But do you mind taking your grammarnazi behaviour elsewhere and if you feel so strongly about grammar and spelling make a thread about it. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude (Just to have that "lowerclass" word in there)

You're criticizing me for derailing for 2 posts, over 12 hours ago? That you felt the need to then comment on, even though that discussion has obviously been dropped. Sounds like you're the one trying to derail.

Dont care how long ago you wrote it. Just can't stand people who think they can correct others when it comes to spelling or grammar on a internet forum.

Well there is quite a difference between morale and morals. Now please stop derailing this thread

There might be but clearly everyone knew what was meant, well except you but your use of "dude" kinda says it all.

thank you for derailing the thread

#49 Edited by _Judas_ (675 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride: come on, guy. No need for "F-bombs". It was not my intention to attack you. It was merely meant as a general wondering, thinking out loud on the subject.

And, no: you didn't. You clearly state in the first post "Why do religious people think that atheists have no morale whatsoever?"

And sorry; I clearly meant atheists I'VE ENCOUNTERED In real life. I don't know you...so why should I mention you? The people in my post are people whom I've met and people whom I've dealt with. Sorry for the confusion. And I am sorry if I offended you, I only wished to contribute to 'why' atheists sometimes are considered "immoral".

First of all: I didn't get to finish my post, but now I've seen the video, and this guy is clearly a extremist or a follower or some very specific Christian-shit. This changes the situation completely:

Why do religious people think that atheists have no morale whatsoever?

The_Last_Ride

This guy sounds alot like an extremist, which changes the entire case. Listen to this guy... you're not doing good deeds unless you do them in the name of God. He's talking about chemicals and robots... If you watch his original video he talks about what [all] 'Christians' should do. THIS IS NOT THE MINDSET OF A "REGULAR" CHRISTIAN! Pay him no mind :p

I have no quarrels with atheists, frankly, I don't care...maybe I consider myself a bit of atheistic...or maybe agnostic.

#50 Posted by The_Last_Ride (74264 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@The_Last_Ride: Do anyone need anyone to tell them that most normal sane people have morals since morals comes from having "Feeligns" and knowing whats right and wrong.

So crazy topic who everyone hopefully know isn't the case.

Obviously not, because someone asked her that question not understanding people without belief having no morals