Assisted suicide of terminally ill patients - yay or nay?

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#1 Posted by Razor-Lazor (12761 posts) -

For years, people have been debating on medical euthanasia, and there are usually strong points from both sides. So what do you think? If someone is suffering with no foreseeable way out, should they be allowed to ask a physician to end their life?

#2 Posted by almasdeathchild (9517 posts) -

wasn't there a thread just like this 4 months ago?

#3 Posted by indzman (16841 posts) -

nay, taking ones life even if its own is a crime.sets a bad example plus near and dear ones also get affected. My cousin sister is born handiccaped, can't eat, can't do potty, can't move at all without help of nanny. does it mean she should end her life? no. Her parents and we love and care for her all the same. But i do feel the pain of those worst cases of terminally ill patients.

#4 Posted by Razor-Lazor (12761 posts) -

wasn't there a thread just like this 4 months ago?

almasdeathchild
I don't know. Was there a thread just like this four months ago?
#5 Posted by Ring_of_fire (15645 posts) -
As long as it is the patient who is pushing the idea, yay.
#6 Posted by tenaka2 (17013 posts) -

Yay!!!!!!!! Obviously. I can understand religious people not supporting it however.

#7 Posted by JohnF111 (14046 posts) -

nay, taking ones life even if its own is a crime.sets a bad example plus near and dear ones also get affected. My cousin sister is born handiccaped, can't eat, can't do potty, can't move at all without help of nanny. does it mean she should end her life? no. Her parents and we love and care for her all the same. But i do feel the pain of those worst cases of terminally ill patients.

indzman

Who says that it's mandatory?

TC clearly mentions assisted suicide, not Compassionate Murder, get your facts straight.

Also if the person suffering wants to die and wholeheartedly agrees to euthanasia then I say Yay. You wouldn't let a dog suffer such agony and we're supposed to care about humans a lot more.

#8 Posted by SirWander (5176 posts) -

I don't have a problem with this.

#9 Posted by indzman (16841 posts) -

[QUOTE="indzman"]

nay, taking ones life even if its own is a crime.sets a bad example plus near and dear ones also get affected. My cousin sister is born handiccaped, can't eat, can't do potty, can't move at all without help of nanny. does it mean she should end her life? no. Her parents and we love and care for her all the same. But i do feel the pain of those worst cases of terminally ill patients.

JohnF111

Who says that it's mandatory?

TC clearly mentions assisted suicide, not Compassionate Murder, get your facts straight.

Also if the person suffering wants to die and wholeheartedly agrees to euthanasia then I say Yay. You wouldn't let a dog suffer such agony and we're supposed to care about humans a lot more.

i guess it really depends on the situation and the patient. If a person is seriously sufferring and asking for death , assisted suicide can be allowed on the patients saying.

my cousin is seriously handicapped and is in lots of pain like not able to do anything, we still care about her a lot. If she insistied on assisted suicide, we would feel really bad you know, specially her parents.

#10 Posted by Celldrax (14548 posts) -

Honestly? I've never had a problem with euthanasia.

No point in letting someone suffer if they're going to die anyway. I've never understood why it's illegal in the first place (I know there's stupid reasons, but nothing legitimate imo).

#11 Posted by theone86 (20555 posts) -

[QUOTE="indzman"]

nay, taking ones life even if its own is a crime.sets a bad example plus near and dear ones also get affected. My cousin sister is born handiccaped, can't eat, can't do potty, can't move at all without help of nanny. does it mean she should end her life? no. Her parents and we love and care for her all the same. But i do feel the pain of those worst cases of terminally ill patients.

JohnF111

Who says that it's mandatory?

TC clearly mentions assisted suicide, not Compassionate Murder, get your facts straight.

Also if the person suffering wants to die and wholeheartedly agrees to euthanasia then I say Yay. You wouldn't let a dog suffer such agony and we're supposed to care about humans a lot more.

Yup. If it's their choice then there shouldn't be a legal barrier. If loved ones want to object they can object all they want and try to dissuade the person from going through with it, but in the end if they want to end their life the government shouldn't get in the way.

#12 Posted by Razor-Lazor (12761 posts) -

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]

[QUOTE="indzman"]

nay, taking ones life even if its own is a crime.sets a bad example plus near and dear ones also get affected. My cousin sister is born handiccaped, can't eat, can't do potty, can't move at all without help of nanny. does it mean she should end her life? no. Her parents and we love and care for her all the same. But i do feel the pain of those worst cases of terminally ill patients.

indzman

Who says that it's mandatory?

TC clearly mentions assisted suicide, not Compassionate Murder, get your facts straight.

Also if the person suffering wants to die and wholeheartedly agrees to euthanasia then I say Yay. You wouldn't let a dog suffer such agony and we're supposed to care about humans a lot more.

i guess it really depends on the situation and the patient. If a person is seriously sufferring and asking for death , assisted suicide can be allowed on the patients saying.

my cousin is seriously handicapped and is in lots of pain like not able to do anything, we care about her a lot. If she insistied on assisted suicide, we would feel really bad you know.

Physical/Mental Handicap =/= A Terminal Illness
#13 Posted by Blueresident87 (5307 posts) -

If they want it, then they should have the right to check out whenever they want.

#14 Posted by theone86 (20555 posts) -

[QUOTE="indzman"]

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]

Who says that it's mandatory?

TC clearly mentions assisted suicide, not Compassionate Murder, get your facts straight.

Also if the person suffering wants to die and wholeheartedly agrees to euthanasia then I say Yay. You wouldn't let a dog suffer such agony and we're supposed to care about humans a lot more.

Razor-Lazor

i guess it really depends on the situation and the patient. If a person is seriously sufferring and asking for death , assisted suicide can be allowed on the patients saying.

my cousin is seriously handicapped and is in lots of pain like not able to do anything, we care about her a lot. If she insistied on assisted suicide, we would feel really bad you know.

Physical/Mental Handicap =/= A Terminal Illness

I don't see why there needs to be a legal distinction. If someone is completely incapacitated and feels like thier quality of life is so low as to make them not want to live anymore then I don't see why there should be a legal barrier to voluntary euthanasia for them. Whether one should end their life or not because they're quadraplegic is a different matter.

#15 Posted by Razor-Lazor (12761 posts) -

If they want it, then they should have the right to check out whenever they want.

Blueresident87
So, just to play devil's advocate, should suicide itself be legal then?
#16 Posted by tenaka2 (17013 posts) -

[QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

If they want it, then they should have the right to check out whenever they want.

Razor-Lazor

So, just to play devil's advocate, should suicide itself be legal then?

Does the legality of the fact matter? Is it even really illegal?

#17 Posted by Razor-Lazor (12761 posts) -

[QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"][QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

If they want it, then they should have the right to check out whenever they want.

tenaka2

So, just to play devil's advocate, should suicide itself be legal then?

Does the legality of the fact matter? Is it even really illegal?

You can get in a lot of trouble for attempted suicide.
#18 Posted by theone86 (20555 posts) -

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"] So, just to play devil's advocate, should suicide itself be legal then?Razor-Lazor

Does the legality of the fact matter? Is it even really illegal?

You can get in a lot of trouble for attempted suicide.

Actually, I think they just commit you until a doctor can verify you're not a risk to yourself.

#19 Posted by JohnF111 (14046 posts) -

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]

[QUOTE="indzman"]

nay, taking ones life even if its own is a crime.sets a bad example plus near and dear ones also get affected. My cousin sister is born handiccaped, can't eat, can't do potty, can't move at all without help of nanny. does it mean she should end her life? no. Her parents and we love and care for her all the same. But i do feel the pain of those worst cases of terminally ill patients.

indzman

Who says that it's mandatory?

TC clearly mentions assisted suicide, not Compassionate Murder, get your facts straight.

Also if the person suffering wants to die and wholeheartedly agrees to euthanasia then I say Yay. You wouldn't let a dog suffer such agony and we're supposed to care about humans a lot more.

i guess it really depends on the situation and the patient. If a person is seriously sufferring and asking for death , assisted suicide can be allowed on the patients saying.

my cousin is seriously handicapped and is in lots of pain like not able to do anything, we still care about her a lot. If she insisted on assisted suicide, we would feel really bad you know, specially her parents.

You say you would all feel bad but you never mentioned allowing it, would you do it? I can understand not wanting to let go of a loved one but really if someone is asking for help to die then it must be bad. Also it should only come from people who are mentally capable of a reliable decision, you say your cousins sister is handicapped so like you say it would depend on the patient and if they're consciously capable of making the decision, it should also be put through a few tests to determine mental health.. Don't want people being euthanised who don't want it after all.
#20 Posted by tenaka2 (17013 posts) -

[QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Does the legality of the fact matter? Is it even really illegal?

theone86

You can get in a lot of trouble for attempted suicide.

Actually, I think they just commit you until a doctor can verify you're not a risk to yourself.

Yet if a person sacrificed themselves to save another, a child for example the person would be deemed a hero.

I can understand the legal side if someone jumps of a building/infront of a train etc as that endangers others,

#21 Posted by theone86 (20555 posts) -

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"] You can get in a lot of trouble for attempted suicide.tenaka2

Actually, I think they just commit you until a doctor can verify you're not a risk to yourself.

Yet if a person sacrificed themselves to save another, a child for example the person would be deemed a hero.

I can understand the legal side if someone jumps of a building/infront of a train etc as that endangers others,

Well, I mean if someone is clinically depressed then obviously treatment could legitimately help them avoid the urge to kill themselves. However, if someone really does not want to live as a quadriplegic (for example, the blind and deaf twins could be another example) then that's not a case of chemical imbalance, that's a conscious decision.

#22 Posted by Squeets (8184 posts) -

[QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

If they want it, then they should have the right to check out whenever they want.

Razor-Lazor

So, just to play devil's advocate, should suicide itself be legal then?

If it doesn't inhibit others, sure.

By this I mean, don't jump off a building into the middle of a busy street. In fact not in public places at all.

Also don't fail at suicide. If an ambulance is taken away from preparation for actual emergencies and people who need assistance and actually want to live, then yes you deserve criminal charges.

I think the above reasons are the only reason suicide is criminalized in the first place. Some kid wants to kill himself and then changes his mind AFTER he injest 30 tylenol or AFTER she cuts her wrists... Then it inhibits emergency personnel. I don't think the government gives a sh-t otherwise.

#23 Posted by indzman (16841 posts) -

[QUOTE="indzman"]

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]

Who says that it's mandatory?

TC clearly mentions assisted suicide, not Compassionate Murder, get your facts straight.

Also if the person suffering wants to die and wholeheartedly agrees to euthanasia then I say Yay. You wouldn't let a dog suffer such agony and we're supposed to care about humans a lot more.

JohnF111

i guess it really depends on the situation and the patient. If a person is seriously sufferring and asking for death , assisted suicide can be allowed on the patients saying.

my cousin is seriously handicapped and is in lots of pain like not able to do anything, we still care about her a lot. If she insisted on assisted suicide, we would feel really bad you know, specially her parents.

You say you would all feel bad but you never mentioned allowing it, would you do it? I can understand not wanting to let go of a loved one but really if someone is asking for help to die then it must be bad. Also it should only come from people who are mentally capable of a reliable decision, you say your cousins sister is handicapped so like you say it would depend on the patient and if they're consciously capable of making the decision, it should also be put through a few tests to determine mental health.. Don't want people being euthanised who don't want it after all.

Yep, very tough decision to make lol. If only there was other way around besides death Heh

#24 Posted by TehFuneral (8026 posts) -

It is unethical and highly controversial.

#25 Posted by indzman (16841 posts) -

It is unethical and highly controversial.

TehFuneral

more like cruel if you ask me :P

#26 Posted by theone86 (20555 posts) -

It is unethicalTehFuneral

It is?
and highly controversial.

TehFuneral

So that makes it wrong?

#27 Posted by tenaka2 (17013 posts) -

It is unethical and highly controversial.

TehFuneral

Why do you think it is unethical?

#28 Posted by MaddenMad92 (9 posts) -
if that is what the person wants, then so be it.
#29 Posted by MrGeezer (56019 posts) -
[QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"] Physical/Mental Handicap =/= A Terminal Illness

Well, see, that's the thing. While everyone has the right to die, that doesn't mean that people should have the right to help kill other people. Obviously there's a line that shouldn't be crossed, it's just really hard to determine exactly where that line should lie. I'm not opposed to assisted suicide, but I don't like when people portray assisted suicide opponents as cruel and ignorant. That's not really fair.
#30 Posted by TehFuneral (8026 posts) -

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

It is unethical and highly controversial.

tenaka2

Why do you think it is unethical?

There is really no direct answer to this, but as a medical doctor you are, under the hippocratic oath, obliged to heal only... and causing death is not considered healing.

Then you have all that medico-legal laws and whatnot where it differs around the world and comes to play a role ... which I unfortunately do not hold much information about.

#31 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -
Without a doubt. There comes a time when helping someone die is a mercy. Quality of life is just as important as quantity of it.
#32 Posted by KingKinect (540 posts) -

Unless they are a paraplegic or something why can't they just kill themselves? It's easy enough. Find a cliff, overdose on painkillers, put an electrical appliance in the bath ect. Not hard.

#33 Posted by roulettethedog (10944 posts) -

Never understood that I can put my dog to sleep instead of suffering but I can't have that option.

#34 Posted by Jazz_Fan (29516 posts) -

If the person is in no capacity to do it themselves and are untreatable, then I see it as a medical obligation to assist them.

Then again, I think doctors should just kill paitents for the fun of it.

#35 Posted by zenogandia (912 posts) -

Other than religious people saying that only god can take and give life, I don't see an issue with assisted suicide. If I were suffering from a terminal disease that I knew could not be cured, why keep on living? Life is suffering, but not to that extent.

#36 Posted by scoots9 (3191 posts) -

I don't particularly like it, but it's not my place to say what you do with your body.

#37 Posted by LostProphetFLCL (17060 posts) -

As someone who works in healthcare and has seen alot of **** in his career, I say yes.

It is disgusting to me the condition some people are kept in thanks to family members who just can't ******* let go.

Keep a person alive with feeding tubes to just lay to waste in a bed 24/7. They are aware of things going on but can't move or speak or anything. Oh lets not forget the trach tube making them breathe.

I understand for a period of time someone being in such a state if there is actually a chance for them to get their life back, but by God people will be left like that for YEARS....

Even worse, without euthanasia once a family FINALLY decides to pull the plug it means the person starves to death. They only pull the plug on the freaking feeding tube......

So yeah, there needs to be some way of making this legal. I have dealt with people attempting suicide at my work because they didn't want to live the rest of their life in a nursing home....

#38 Posted by LostProphetFLCL (17060 posts) -

Unless they are a paraplegic or something why can't they just kill themselves? It's easy enough. Find a cliff, overdose on painkillers, put an electrical appliance in the bath ect. Not hard.

KingKinect

If they are in a healthcare facility (which alot of the time someone who would be in this position would be) they CAN'T unless the facility screws up.

We HAVE to prevent anyone from eloping (leaving when they aren't supposed to) or killing themselves. A person succeeds with either of those the facility itself is going to be in big trouble...

#39 Posted by MrGeezer (56019 posts) -

Other than religious people saying that only god can take and give life, I don't see an issue with assisted suicide. If I were suffering from a terminal disease that I knew could not be cured, why keep on living? Life is suffering, but not to that extent.

zenogandia
The part I just emphasized, that is the issue. You too are basically implying, "no, doctors should not be able to help people kill themselves, except in these particular instances." But it's an arbitrary standard. What if the affliction isn't terminal, but it affects my life so much that I don't feel it's a life worth living? Should assisted suicide be allowed in those cases? What if the affliction is treatable, but the treatment is so painful and uncomfortable that I'd rather just die? Is it okay then? The issue is not if people have the right to die, the issue is when a doctor is allowed to kill a patient. And there isn't any objective "right" answer to that.
#40 Posted by tocool340 (20448 posts) -
Since its what I'd want for myself. yay...
#41 Posted by zenogandia (912 posts) -

[QUOTE="zenogandia"]

Other than religious people saying that only god can take and give life, I don't see an issue with assisted suicide. If I were suffering from a terminal disease that I knew could not be cured, why keep on living? Life is suffering, but not to that extent.

MrGeezer

The part I just emphasized, that is the issue. You too are basically implying, "no, doctors should not be able to help people kill themselves, except in these particular instances." But it's an arbitrary standard. What if the affliction isn't terminal, but it affects my life so much that I don't feel it's a life worth living? Should assisted suicide be allowed in those cases? What if the affliction is treatable, but the treatment is so painful and uncomfortable that I'd rather just die? Is it okay then? The issue is not if people have the right to die, the issue is when a doctor is allowed to kill a patient. And there isn't any objective "right" answer to that.

I didn't imply that, though. I was giving an example of someone who wanted to die because of a terminal disease, but I personally am not against anyone who wishes to take their lives.

I would do everything possible to prevent the scuicide though... let's say from a depressive person who simply finds no reason to live.

#42 Posted by Aljosa23 (24539 posts) -

Yes. Though I imagine in today's society the bureaucracy involved in this would be gargantuan.

#43 Posted by -Renegade (8340 posts) -

Hey if they want to take their own lives why not? There is many easy ways to kill yourself if you really wanted to though so not sure why someone would need assistance with something so simple, unless you were unable to do it yourself.

#44 Posted by IdioticIcarus (2242 posts) -

Yay. But I think it should be for anyone that wants it, not justterminally ill people.

#45 Posted by curono (7710 posts) -
I don't see any problem with stopping pain on someone who is on the end of his life. Seriously. We do that with dogs as a mercy killing. And we don't show that mercy with other human??
#46 Posted by DJ-Lafleur (34115 posts) -

Definitely yay. If after any and all procedures, the patient is still suffering and without much hope, and it is the patient's wish to end their life, then I see no reason to let them contniue suffering.

Hell, we euthenize pets if they are suffering and we don't technically get consent from them.

#47 Posted by Shmiity (5007 posts) -

Yes. Although very surprised my state voted it down...

#48 Posted by Ace6301 (21388 posts) -
They should have the option if they're terminally ill. Give them a period of time after agreeing to see if they get cold feet and then if they don't then they should be able to make that choice. It's their life.
#50 Posted by MrGeezer (56019 posts) -
I didn't imply that, though. I was giving an example of someone who wanted to die because of a terminal disease, but I personally am not against anyone who wishes to take their lives.

I would do everything possible to prevent the scuicide though... let's say from a depressive person who simply finds no reason to live.

zenogandia
Seriously? If I go asking for assisted suicide because I'm bummed out that I lost my job, then you think that's a valid reason for a doctor to help kill me? You think they should be allowed to help kill pretty much anyone for whatever reason?