Anders Breivik wins court case against Norwegian state

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#1  Edited By KHAndAnime
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I'm really surprised they ruled in his favor. I remember when this was previously brought up, he was mocked for this. And now he's won that case. I agree that torture shouldn't be necessary - the law should always prevail regardless of the circumstances.

Anyone else think this guy will make it out at the end of his 21 year sentence?

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Using the system against itself. How many other countries would have given him such a cushy sentence? What a joke! And no, he won't get out.

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#3  Edited By deactivated-5cf0a2e13dbde
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Thousands of African children die from hunger every day, and a PS2 is something this person cant abide by. How could his country acquiesce to a person who is obviously deranged? How oculd they not just tell him that he murdered dozens, therefore he does not deserve any instruments of leisure? Somebody should smash the PS2 right in front of his apparently 5 year old ass and "Now you dont get to play anything!"

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Should I ever go to prison, isolation would be A-OK with me.

Also, I couldn't help but laugh at the complaint about microwave dinners. Having eaten Illinois prison cuisine, I can safely say that would be heaven by comparison.

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I bet he'll get out early like Varg did.

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He should be send to middle east and rage against terrorist

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#7  Edited By Boddicker
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He's right you know. Only current gen consoles are relevant.

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#9  Edited By KHAndAnime
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@SOedipus said:

Using the system against itself. How many other countries would have given him such a cushy sentence? What a joke! And no, he won't get out.

Well, this just proved that Norway is more concerned with rehabilitation than revenge. If Anders seems sound of mind and has good behavior (not sure what the odds of this are), I'm not sure how they can keep him if they are running an honest legal system.

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@KHAndAnime said:
@SOedipus said:

Using the system against itself. How many other countries would have given him such a cushy sentence? What a joke! And no, he won't get out.

Well, this just proved that Norway is more concerned with rehabilitation than revenge. If Anders seems sound of mind and has good behavior (not sure what the odds of this are), I'm not sure how they can keep him if they are running an honest legal system.

I never understand stuff like this. The right cares only about vengeance, and the left only cares about rehabilitation. They need a balanced approach. Sure, rehab should be the goal, but he killed 77 people. He stole the right to exist from 77 people, I think it's fair he has forfeited his own.

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Everybody knows that the plastic containers for microwave dinners contain phthalates that leach into the food. This poor man is the victim of state-inflicted chemical poisoning! :-O

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I normally have a lot of respect for Norway's progressive values, but this is ridiculous.

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Is Behring Strait?

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In 21year time when he released if not sooner he will do it again. Hang him slowly.

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#16  Edited By Treflis
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He's not getting out in 21 years, Relax.

21 Years is the maximum jail sentence you can get, however we also have a thing called "Forvaring" (Containment) which is different. Breivik got 21 years containment sentence in jail.

While both involve prison, the containment means that after the 21 years a committee will evaluate wether the person is no longer dangerous to be released in public and if still deemed a danger they get 3-5 years more and then the committee will again evaluate the person which might cause them to give another 5 years and so on.

While if you are given 21 years jail time then after 21 years you are then a free man until you commit another crime.

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@Treflis said:

He's not getting out in 21 years, Relax.

21 Years is the maximum jail sentence you can get, however we also have a thing called "Forvaring" (Containment) which is different. Breivik got 21 years containment sentence in jail.

While both involve prison, the containment means that after the 21 years a committee will evaluate wether the person is no longer dangerous to be released in public and if still deemed a danger they get 3-5 years more and then the committee will again evaluate the person which might cause them to give another 5 years and so on.

While if you are given 21 years jail time then after 21 years you are then a free man until you commit another crime.

And who's to say the committee will extend his sentence? If he gives the committee no reason to think he's still dangerous (which should be pretty easy to do for him, though Nazi salutes don't help), then I'm not sure how they can hold him. Once again, I don't think the law is going to make an exception. If anything, I bet he will get out eventually, but he will be heavily watched and/or murdered.

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#18 Treflis
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@KHAndAnime said:
@Treflis said:

He's not getting out in 21 years, Relax.

21 Years is the maximum jail sentence you can get, however we also have a thing called "Forvaring" (Containment) which is different. Breivik got 21 years containment sentence in jail.

While both involve prison, the containment means that after the 21 years a committee will evaluate wether the person is no longer dangerous to be released in public and if still deemed a danger they get 3-5 years more and then the committee will again evaluate the person which might cause them to give another 5 years and so on.

While if you are given 21 years jail time then after 21 years you are then a free man until you commit another crime.

And who's to say the committee will extend his sentence? If he gives the committee no reason to think he's still dangerous (which should be pretty easy to do for him, though Nazi salutes don't help), then I'm not sure how they can hold him. Once again, I don't think the law is going to make an exception. If anything, I bet he will get out eventually, but he will be heavily watched and/or murdered.

If he somehow do get out, at which point I'd assume he'd be an old man. He might very likely be put in protective custody. If that is the case then they'll likely have him in a sort of house arrest.

Considering the largest criminal gang in Norway has put a bounty on his head and the rest of us hate him like the plague, He'd likely never truely be free to walk on the streets again.

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@KHAndAnime said:
@Treflis said:

He's not getting out in 21 years, Relax.

21 Years is the maximum jail sentence you can get, however we also have a thing called "Forvaring" (Containment) which is different. Breivik got 21 years containment sentence in jail.

While both involve prison, the containment means that after the 21 years a committee will evaluate wether the person is no longer dangerous to be released in public and if still deemed a danger they get 3-5 years more and then the committee will again evaluate the person which might cause them to give another 5 years and so on.

While if you are given 21 years jail time then after 21 years you are then a free man until you commit another crime.

And who's to say the committee will extend his sentence? If he gives the committee no reason to think he's still dangerous (which should be pretty easy to do for him, though Nazi salutes don't help), then I'm not sure how they can hold him. Once again, I don't think the law is going to make an exception. If anything, I bet he will get out eventually, but he will be heavily watched and/or murdered.

As a Norwegian... I honestly expect him to be released one day. Maybe as early as 21 years. Though there are still things he is denied, so for what it is worth, he is still considered dangerous, maybe not directly, but indirectly. I think that will take longer time to change.

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@hillelslovak said:
@KHAndAnime said:
@SOedipus said:

Using the system against itself. How many other countries would have given him such a cushy sentence? What a joke! And no, he won't get out.

Well, this just proved that Norway is more concerned with rehabilitation than revenge. If Anders seems sound of mind and has good behavior (not sure what the odds of this are), I'm not sure how they can keep him if they are running an honest legal system.

I never understand stuff like this. The right cares only about vengeance, and the left only cares about rehabilitation. They need a balanced approach. Sure, rehab should be the goal, but he killed 77 people. He stole the right to exist from 77 people, I think it's fair he has forfeited his own.

He's also still giving the "heil Hitler" salute, or variation of, showing little to no rehabilitation or desire to change.

Anyway, send him to an American prison. An "exchange" program.

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@Storm_Marine: oh he will then they'll play in a band together or something.

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Pathetic country

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#23  Edited By deactivated-59d151f079814
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I normally have a lot of respect for Norway's progressive values, but this is ridiculous.

Their politics has become self hating as of late in which they are actually propping up assholes like this at the expense of everyone else.. This isn't suggesting the US justice system is good, but clearly there is a middle ground between systems like Norway's and the US's..

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@mrbojangles25 said:
@hillelslovak said:
@KHAndAnime said:
@SOedipus said:

Using the system against itself. How many other countries would have given him such a cushy sentence? What a joke! And no, he won't get out.

Well, this just proved that Norway is more concerned with rehabilitation than revenge. If Anders seems sound of mind and has good behavior (not sure what the odds of this are), I'm not sure how they can keep him if they are running an honest legal system.

I never understand stuff like this. The right cares only about vengeance, and the left only cares about rehabilitation. They need a balanced approach. Sure, rehab should be the goal, but he killed 77 people. He stole the right to exist from 77 people, I think it's fair he has forfeited his own.

He's also still giving the "heil Hitler" salute, or variation of, showing little to no rehabilitation or desire to change.

Anyway, send him to an American prison. An "exchange" program.

Why cant they just administer a hot shot of heroin to him? At some point, a human being can no longer live with other human beings, and he crossed that line 77 times. Putting him to sleep for good does not have to be about vengeance and hatred. He has simply forfeited his right to live. Imagine being one of these families. He murders a family member of yours, and your tax dollars have to pay for his PS3 and whatever other items he wants IN PRISON. Immoral.

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#25  Edited By KHAndAnime
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@mrbojangles25 said:

He's also still giving the "heil Hitler" salute, or variation of, showing little to no rehabilitation or desire to change.

Anyway, send him to an American prison. An "exchange" program.

He still has more than 3/4 of his sentence to go. If anything it would be a little too suspicious if he already claimed to have pulled a 180 and is a completely changed person after only a few years.

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In civilized country even mass murderers have human rights.

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@Icarian said:

In civilized country even mass murderers have human rights.

If we deny those who deny the rights of others, then we sink to their own level. It's why, even in a case such as Brevik, I am entirely against the death penalty. Granted, I doubt he could ever be rehabilitated and keeping him locked away until he dies is the wise decision to make, he still deserves a clean place to live and something to keep his mind occupied. Books would be a better option, as they are much cheaper than a video game console.

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@foxhound_fox: Just to add to your argument, I see little reason to retain the death penalty regardless of one's priorities. It's not more effective as a deterrent, it kills the wrongfully accused, it's more expensive. What exactly merits it's continuation?

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@mattbbpl said:

@foxhound_fox: Just to add to your argument, I see little reason to retain the death penalty regardless of one's priorities. It's not more effective as a deterrent, it kills the wrongfully accused, it's more expensive. What exactly merits it's continuation?

Agreed wholeheartedly. The death penalty as it exists today is merely an emotional crutch the state retains in order to provide comfort to the victim's families. There is no benefit to the state whatsoever that comes from the death penalty.

I still think one of the best quotes regarding justice and forsakeing revenge on all levels came from the Batman Begins character Rachel Dawes:

"Justice is about harmony. Revenge is about you making yourself feel better. Which is why we have an impartial system."

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@foxhound_fox said:
@Icarian said:

In civilized country even mass murderers have human rights.

If we deny those who deny the rights of others, then we sink to their own level. It's why, even in a case such as Brevik, I am entirely against the death penalty. Granted, I doubt he could ever be rehabilitated and keeping him locked away until he dies is the wise decision to make, he still deserves a clean place to live and something to keep his mind occupied. Books would be a better option, as they are much cheaper than a video game console.

I would be surprised if he doesn't have access to plenty of books. Some inmates take education while doing their time.

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@horgen: The video states that he does, indeed, have access to books.

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@hillelslovak said:

Thousands of African children die from hunger every day, and a PS2 is something this person cant abide by. How could his country acquiesce to a person who is obviously deranged? How oculd they not just tell him that he murdered dozens, therefore he does not deserve any instruments of leisure? Somebody should smash the PS2 right in front of his apparently 5 year old ass and "Now you dont get to play anything!"

Yeah exactly.

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@foxhound_fox said:
@Icarian said:

In civilized country even mass murderers have human rights.

If we deny those who deny the rights of others, then we sink to their own level. It's why, even in a case such as Brevik, I am entirely against the death penalty. Granted, I doubt he could ever be rehabilitated and keeping him locked away until he dies is the wise decision to make, he still deserves a clean place to live and something to keep his mind occupied. Books would be a better option, as they are much cheaper than a video game console.

I don't video game consoles are a human rights issue. Food, clothing, medical treatment, and shelter yes.

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@mattbbpl said:

@horgen: The video states that he does, indeed, have access to books.

As I expected...

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He is never getting out, just like Clifford Olson never got out of a Canadian prison except in a pine box. No parole board is ever going to let out a man who killed 77 people, mostly children.

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Send him to Joe's jail in Arizona.

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#37  Edited By horgen  Moderator
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So the Norwegian state disagrees with the ruling. And wish to take it further.

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@horgen said:

So the Norwegian state disagrees with the ruling. And wish to take it further.

Have any links?

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@JimB said:

Send him to Joe's jail in Arizona.

God no, nobody deserves to be subjected to Joe Arapaio.

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@horgen: maybe they'll just give him probation and a ps4.

Seems like the direction they're going.

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@KHAndAnime said:
@horgen said:

So the Norwegian state disagrees with the ruling. And wish to take it further.

Have any links?

Only a norwegian news report.