Americans' Dissatisfaction With Gun Laws Highest Since 2001.

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#52  Edited By Fightingfan
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@sSubZerOo said:

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Well, there are a lot of moronic gun laws.

For example,

It's 10 years in prison if you put a vertical foregrip on a pistol, but perfectly legally to use bump-fire modify - turning any weapon fully automatic.

You need to be 21 to purchase anything from an FFL, but can join the military at 17.

How is the military one illogical? When you join the military they don't hand you a gun and send you off on your way.. Your put into intense training under sharp supervision in which you have to pass testing to be trusted in it's operation on the field. On topic: The American public are filled with morons.. 2001 is a odd mark because there literally have been no huge gun restrictions instated, in fact we have been seeing huge deregulation and massive pro gun laws like "stand your ground" being instated..

Because in America when you have a conceal carry permit they don't just hand you a gun and send you off on your way...

You're put into intense training under sharp supervision.... monitored by the state.

In America you can't just walk around with a gun without any form of training in 99% of the union (only the constitutional carry states allow the carrying of guns without any form of state/NRA run training).

You can be the most responsible 20 year old that can out gun any Navy Seal, but because you're not 21 and not in the military you can't purchase a gun from a FFL holder. I find it funny we can trust a 18 year old with an M16, but the 20 year old who goes to work in a bad area of town can't carry a gun for his protection even if he attends the mandatory gun safety courses mandated by the states.

*people in the military under 21 still can't purchase a handgun from an FFL holder.

Yet again getting your permit in NO way some how equates to the months to years of military training you receive if you enlist.. Training in which you can fail.. IN a military that even AFTER the training your still under supervision by your superiors. This is a stupid comparison..

The comparison isn't stupid.

Ask the average person in the military to shoot a .45ACP - it'll be comical.

You fail an NRA safety course you're not given your permit; you may not think a permit is not enough, but the states disagree and state if you can pass a safety course you're trustworthy enough to carry a firearm.

lets be realistic the majority of the military is sitting behind a computer in an RV located somewhere in Afghanistan. They have a limit grasp on gun knowledge, or how to use a gun unless they're infantry men/spec ops.

If I train with Lee harvey Oswald my entire minor life on how to snipe there's no reason I shouldn't be given a CCW at 18, or be restrict on what I can or cannot buy at an FFL.

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#53  Edited By Fightingfan
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@thegerg said:

@Fightingfan said:

@sSubZerOo said:

@Fightingfan said:

Well, there are a lot of moronic gun laws.

For example,

It's 10 years in prison if you put a vertical foregrip on a pistol, but perfectly legally to use bump-fire modify - turning any weapon fully automatic.

You need to be 21 to purchase anything from an FFL, but can join the military at 17.

How is the military one illogical? When you join the military they don't hand you a gun and send you off on your way.. Your put into intense training under sharp supervision in which you have to pass testing to be trusted in it's operation on the field. On topic: The American public are filled with morons.. 2001 is a odd mark because there literally have been no huge gun restrictions instated, in fact we have been seeing huge deregulation and massive pro gun laws like "stand your ground" being instated..

Because in America when you have a conceal carry permit they don't just hand you a gun and send you off on your way...

You're put into intense training under sharp supervision.... monitored by the state.

In America you can't just walk around with a gun without any form of training in 99% of the union (only the constitutional carry states allow the carrying of guns without any form of state/NRA run training).

You can be the most responsible 20 year old that can out gun any Navy Seal, but because you're not 21 and not in the military you don't have legal access to a handgun outside of straw purchases, or private sell, which one is illegal and the other dangerous

. I find it funny we can trust a 18 year old with an M16, but the 20 year old who goes to work in a bad area of town can't carry a gun for his protection even if he attends the mandatory gun safety courses mandated by the states.

*people in the military under 21 still can't purchase a handgun from an FFL holder.

"because you're not 21 and not in the military you don't have legal access to a handgun outside of straw purchases, or private sell,"

Not true. Some states prohibit possession of a handgun by anyone under 21, but others do not.

California is currently having a lot of their gun laws attacked by the SCOTUS. Which state are you referring to? Most states make it borderline illegal, but not prison time illegal.

I can't see a 20 year old with a pistol in his apartment being illegal, but you never know with CA, NY, and the other hippie states.

@sSubZerOo It's also moronic you can die for the US constitution at 18, but it only applies to you(entirely) at the age of 21.

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, receive preemptive take downs by a more well armed police force, and then bitch about police brutality, shall not be infringed!

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#56  Edited By Makhaidos
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I'd like to ask those same respondents a few more questions. Specifically: Do you know your state's gun laws; Do you own a gun; and What is your level of education.

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#57  Edited By deactivated-59d151f079814
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@Fightingfan said:

@sSubZerOo said:

@Fightingfan said:

@sSubZerOo said:

@Fightingfan said:

Well, there are a lot of moronic gun laws.

For example,

It's 10 years in prison if you put a vertical foregrip on a pistol, but perfectly legally to use bump-fire modify - turning any weapon fully automatic.

You need to be 21 to purchase anything from an FFL, but can join the military at 17.

How is the military one illogical? When you join the military they don't hand you a gun and send you off on your way.. Your put into intense training under sharp supervision in which you have to pass testing to be trusted in it's operation on the field. On topic: The American public are filled with morons.. 2001 is a odd mark because there literally have been no huge gun restrictions instated, in fact we have been seeing huge deregulation and massive pro gun laws like "stand your ground" being instated..

Because in America when you have a conceal carry permit they don't just hand you a gun and send you off on your way...

You're put into intense training under sharp supervision.... monitored by the state.

In America you can't just walk around with a gun without any form of training in 99% of the union (only the constitutional carry states allow the carrying of guns without any form of state/NRA run training).

You can be the most responsible 20 year old that can out gun any Navy Seal, but because you're not 21 and not in the military you can't purchase a gun from a FFL holder. I find it funny we can trust a 18 year old with an M16, but the 20 year old who goes to work in a bad area of town can't carry a gun for his protection even if he attends the mandatory gun safety courses mandated by the states.

*people in the military under 21 still can't purchase a handgun from an FFL holder.

Yet again getting your permit in NO way some how equates to the months to years of military training you receive if you enlist.. Training in which you can fail.. IN a military that even AFTER the training your still under supervision by your superiors. This is a stupid comparison..

The comparison isn't stupid.

Ask the average person in the military to shoot a .45ACP - it'll be comical.

You fail an NRA safety course you're not given your permit; you may not think a permit is not enough, but the states disagree and state if you can pass a safety course you're trustworthy enough to carry a firearm.

lets be realistic the majority of the military is sitting behind a computer in an RV located somewhere in Afghanistan. They have a limit grasp on gun knowledge, or how to use a gun unless they're infantry men/spec ops.

If I train with Lee harvey Oswald my entire minor life on how to snipe there's no reason I shouldn't be given a CCW at 18, or be restrict on what I can or cannot buy at an FFL.

Wow your really hard headed.. The people who are sitting behind a desk are NOT issued weapons genius to carry around as they please.. And that is the point that even as soldier the weapon is issued TO YOU under supervision and can be taken away from you.. These are not the same things, stop trying to compare the two..

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#59  Edited By always_explicit
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If there were less guns...less people would get shot.

Im pleased this simple logical conclusion has been reached after several hundred years.

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#60 surrealnumber5
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@toast_burner: what do you think democracy is? mob rule.

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@surrealnumber5 said:

@toast_burner: what do you think democracy is? mob rule.

which is one of the reasons why no country is a pure democracy

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#62  Edited By Fightingfan
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Wow your really hard headed.. The people who are sitting behind a desk are NOT issued weapons genius to carry around as they please.. And that is the point that even as soldier the weapon is issued TO YOU under supervision and can be taken away from you.. These are not the same things, stop trying to compare the two..

That's your opinion, but mine and many states disagree, which is why they're (people under 21 in military) granted special permits via a tax form.

All soldiers have access to a gun at all times - there's usually a mossberg 500/590 in every vehicle in Afghanistan.

There's no difference between a 18 year old kid who did 3 weeks of gun safety course in BCT VS some redneck 18 year old who has been shooting guns his entire life in smalltown USA.

They both have the training, they both know basic gun safety, they both are trusted by the federal and state government to possess/use a gun. I find it comical someone can protect the 2nd amendment, but can't participate fully.

It's like the blacks in the 1700s they fought for rights they didn't/weren't going to receive.

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#64  Edited By yixingtpot
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Gun grab agenda, they don't seem to want to give up until we have no rights at all. The elites have utter contempt for our lives. When they construct illegal wars and send you off carrying uranium bullets to eat you alive... inside and out and they know you don't object, then they know they have you. A mass of stupid consumers satiated on 'non reality, reality tv', beer, sports, WWWrastin' and Rap music or some jingoistic feel good country tunes in a vain attempt to buoy up your delusional mind.

Any American can be strip searched without warrant since 2012, the government can detain you forever without proof of wrong doing and they don't even have to give reasons... only based on a fabrication or suspicion. The reason people don't realize we're living in basically a police state now if simply because most are happy with watching TV, talking about Kim Kardouchian, eating their cream puffs and Cheetos blinded into zombified complacency. Once you wake up and start realizing and talking about reality and truth then you realize it's too late and you usually get shut down, perma banned from the corporate controlled servers(Net Neutrality never existed)... ostracized from your job, or killed. Yeah... real freedom. Freedom is much more than gummy bears and Coca Cola. If freedom to you is the choice of chocolate or cola then you're really not free, or you're afraid to find out un free you've always been.