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Boy, 5, killed sister, 2, with "children's rifle"

At first I was thinking how the hell a children's rifle can kill, and I Googled it and found this which looks like the gun involved in the incident.

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Real bullets... in a children's rifle.

I've said it before, I'll say it again...as a gun owner and lover...parents need to start being held responsible if anything happens with any guns in their house or any guns they own. Whether they committed the crime or not, the parents need to be held responsible. If the parents start having to take the hit for what kids do with their guns, they will start actually locking them up. I'm tired of idiots making the 99.99 percent of responsible gun owners look bad.

Little .22s have been given to kids for decades so the kids and learn to properly handle firearms. Accidents like this happen from time to time when the parent is irresponsible enough to give a kid the gun without keeping the ammo and gun separated and locked up except when out shooting.

Also this goes to show the caliber and type of gun is irrelevant.

Accidents like this happen from time to time just like any other gun related accident. It's sad and shouldn't happen, but it does.

Also what would you expect a .22 rilfe to shoot? Paintballs? BBs? 

My question is, why was the gun out and loaded? That's irresponsible.

My question is why would you give your five year old child anything other then a waterpistol? What reason, which would have to make sense, would you buy a child below at least 14-15 years a firearm? Regardless of caliber.Treflis

I've said it before, I'll say it again...as a gun owner and lover...parents need to start being held responsible if anything happens with any guns in their house or any guns they own. Whether they committed the crime or not, the parents need to be held responsible. If the parents start having to take the hit for what kids do with their guns, they will start actually locking them up. I'm tired of idiots making the 99.99 percent of responsible gun owners look bad.

Pirate700

My question is why would you give your five year old child anything other then a waterpistol? What reason, which would have to make sense, would you buy a child below at least 14-15 years a firearm? Regardless of caliber.Treflis

That's a damn good quesiton. 5 years old is way too young for riles. I can see 7-8 under parental guidence, but not 5 all by themselves. 

[QUOTE="Treflis"]My question is why would you give your five year old child anything other then a waterpistol? What reason, which would have to make sense, would you buy a child below at least 14-15 years a firearm? Regardless of caliber.Wasdie

That's a damn good quesiton. 5 years old is way too young for riles. I can see 7-8 under parental guidence, but not 5 all by themselves. 

[QUOTE="Treflis"]My question is why would you give your five year old child anything other then a waterpistol? What reason, which would have to make sense, would you buy a child below at least 14-15 years a firearm? Regardless of caliber.Pirate700

I still think 5 is a bit young. A bit older when they can more easily respect the responsibility that comes with guns and then while the gun is being handled by the kid the parent should be supervising at all times. All other times the ammo and rifle are locked up so that the kids cannot get to them.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Treflis"]My question is why would you give your five year old child anything other then a waterpistol? What reason, which would have to make sense, would you buy a child below at least 14-15 years a firearm? Regardless of caliber.Wasdie

I still think 5 is a bit young. A bit older when they can more easily respect the responsibility that comes with guns and then while the gun is being handled by the kid the parent should be supervising at all times. All other times the ammo and rifle are locked up so that the kids cannot get to them.

Wow, I can't even this thread. How people can condone a 5 year old to have a rifle as a toy is beyond me,. Do you people forget a guns purpose is to harm or kill whether your being respectful, or acknowledge this, it doesn't change the fact that it's purpose is to harm or kill nothing will come out of owning a gun that young. Chicken453

I don't think anybody here believes a 5 year old should have a gun. I certainly don't and same with Pirate.

A gun isn't a toy. Nobody is saying it is. They need to be treated with the utmost respect at all time, not given to an unsupervised 5 year old.

smfh. As the campaign for citizen disarmament vamp up, gun owners are shaking in their boots because they are now starting to see how the irresponsibility of a few will jeopardize the rights of the many. I doubt talking about parental responsibility or infringed freedoms will remedy the gun issues. Talk is cheap, it is time for action and I see the politicians using every trick and misfortune at their disposal. We can't sit by doing nothing and claim rights when we/some steadily abuse those rights with stupidity. What affects a few will ultimately affect the all... in due time. These problems have to be address by responsible caring citizens, or the government will do it for us and risks losing a few of our privileges along the way.

[QUOTE="Chicken453"]Wow, I can't even this thread. How people can condone a 5 year old to have a rifle as a toy is beyond me,. Do you people forget a guns purpose is to harm or kill whether your being respectful, or acknowledge this, it doesn't change the fact that it's purpose is to harm or kill nothing will come out of owning a gun that young. Wasdie

I don't think anybody here believes a 5 year old should have a gun. I certainly don't and same with Pirate.

A gun isn't a toy. Nobody is saying it is. They need to be treated with the utmost respect at all time, not given to an unsupervised 5 year old.

what is it with americans and their obsession with guns?!j_assassin

Being a fan of owning, collecting, and operating firearms is something you cannot describe to somebody raised in a culture devoid of all firearms. So yeah, there is no real good answer here to satisfy people who's only exposure to gun culture is Hollywood and the bad news that comes from it.

A real .22 for a 5 year old is just stupid.  At that age I probably wouldn't get them anything, but at maybe 6 or 7 i would get them a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun.  Something to shoot cans and bottles that isn't really deadly.  

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Chicken453"]Wow, I can't even this thread. How people can condone a 5 year old to have a rifle as a toy is beyond me,. Do you people forget a guns purpose is to harm or kill whether your being respectful, or acknowledge this, it doesn't change the fact that it's purpose is to harm or kill nothing will come out of owning a gun that young. Pirate700

I don't think anybody here believes a 5 year old should have a gun. I certainly don't and same with Pirate.

A gun isn't a toy. Nobody is saying it is. They need to be treated with the utmost respect at all time, not given to an unsupervised 5 year old.

A real .22 for a 5 year old is just stupid.  At that age I probably wouldn't get them anything, but at maybe 6 or 7 i would get them a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun.  Something to shoot cans and bottles that isn't really deadly.  

hoola

You'll shoot your eye out!

accidents and stupidity happen.  While unfortunate, this is just another case of the media using fear to make people think things are really bad.

I do feel bad for the family, though.  Well, the boy at least.  The parents can't feel bad enough for what they have done in my opinion.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Chicken453"]Wow, I can't even this thread. How people can condone a 5 year old to have a rifle as a toy is beyond me,. Do you people forget a guns purpose is to harm or kill whether your being respectful, or acknowledge this, it doesn't change the fact that it's purpose is to harm or kill nothing will come out of owning a gun that young. Pirate700

I don't think anybody here believes a 5 year old should have a gun. I certainly don't and same with Pirate.

A gun isn't a toy. Nobody is saying it is. They need to be treated with the utmost respect at all time, not given to an unsupervised 5 year old.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I don't think anybody here believes a 5 year old should have a gun. I certainly don't and same with Pirate.

A gun isn't a toy. Nobody is saying it is. They need to be treated with the utmost respect at all time, not given to an unsupervised 5 year old.

Chicken453

Pirate you just stated i the kids was 7 or 8 you'd be ok with this. a 7 or 8 year old is still a child a minor .Chicken453

So? That doesn't make a gun a toy. A responsible parent who wishes to teach their kids about firearms at an early age buys a gun their kids can use while under their supervision only. This is very common practice to teach kids how to operate and respect firearms. You never leave them alone with the gun and you never keep it unlocked so they can get at it at any time. That's common sense and being responsible.

If you want to give your kid a gun they can shoot others with, Nerf makes a very large array of foam based firearms that are a lot of fun to use. 

[QUOTE="Chicken453"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Exactly. Nobody is saying a kid should have a gun as a toy. The point is, or typically is, to teach the child that guns are NOT toys.

Pirate700

On the first page you said " I agree 5 is too young but even at 7-8, the same rules apply." As if to say it's accpetable for a 7 year old to own a gun, or am i reading your reply wrong?

what better way to learn than by killing your little sister? comp_atkins

Is that what any of us have been implying? 

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I don't think anybody here believes a 5 year old should have a gun. I certainly don't and same with Pirate.

A gun isn't a toy. Nobody is saying it is. They need to be treated with the utmost respect at all time, not given to an unsupervised 5 year old.

comp_atkins

7, 8 ,9 ,10, 11, 12 That doesn't chang the fact they from 7 to 16 you are a minor and 7 to 12 year olds are still seen as children. Chicken453

Again, does it matter? 

As long as the kids are supervised it's fine. Just like any child activity at that age.

You don't give a kid a gun at those ages. You let them use one of your own under supervision in a controlled environment. Heck I wouldn't give a gun to a lot of people my age for the same reasons I wouldn't give it to a 5 year old.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Chicken453"] Pirate you just stated i the kids was 7 or 8 you'd be ok with this. a 7 or 8 year old is still a child a minor .Chicken453

Little .22s have been given to kids for decades so the kids and learn to properly handle firearms. Accidents like this happen from time to time when the parent is irresponsible enough to give a kid the gun without keeping the ammo and gun separated and locked up except when out shooting.

Also this goes to show the caliber and type of gun is irrelevant.

Accidents like this happen from time to time just like any other gun related accident. It's sad and shouldn't happen, but it does.

Also what would you expect a .22 rilfe to shoot? Paintballs? BBs? 

My question is, why was the gun out and loaded? That's irresponsible.

Wasdie

I've said it before, I'll say it again...as a gun owner and lover...parents need to start being held responsible if anything happens with any guns in their house or any guns they own. Whether they committed the crime or not, the parents need to be held responsible. If the parents start having to take the hit for what kids do with their guns, they will start actually locking them up. I'm tired of idiots making the 99.99 percent of responsible gun owners look bad.

Pirate700

couldnt agree more. that was one of the first things my dad did once i discovered he had a gun in the house. although i was never dumb enough to grab it because i knew my dad would whip me. which brings up another point that parents these days are soft on kids. If kids of this generation got beat a few times they would not be doing things like this and look all these anti bully campaigns we have now(ok getting off topic)... i now own a gun that has a lock on the trigger and is locked in a case at all times.

Personally, I wouldn't buy a gun for a kid until they were 18.

There's probably less of a chance they'd be stupid with it.

Maybe.

Well, probably not.

Pirate's pretty much hit the nail right on the head.

Parents fault, should have locked up the ammo but..... As of latley been kind of sick of gun deaths.

I would not mind if they had strickter laws against guns. Funny how a 5 year old is allowed to have a gun. WTF who ever made it ok for a 5 year old to use a deadly weapon?

I guess that's not meant for someone who's 5.

That is 100% the parents fault for letting the kid go unsupervised with a loaded firearm. .22 rifles are capable of killing grown adults and deer as well so that is crazy.

I've said it before, I'll say it again...as a gun owner and lover...parents need to start being held responsible if anything happens with any guns in their house or any guns they own. Whether they committed the crime or not, the parents need to be held responsible. If the parents start having to take the hit for what kids do with their guns, they will start actually locking them up. I'm tired of idiots making the 99.99 percent of responsible gun owners look bad.

Pirate700

of course 4 year olds need guns to defend themselves.

if only the 2 year old was armed...

Frankly, anyone who thinks giving a child a real or realish gun is a good idea has mental issues. JustBeYourself

i dont know if they have mental issues but clearly they are not to smart.

[QUOTE="Chicken453"] Pirate you just stated i the kids was 7 or 8 you'd be ok with this. a 7 or 8 year old is still a child a minor .Wasdie

So? That doesn't make a gun a toy. A responsible parent who wishes to teach their kids about firearms at an early age buys a gun their kids can use while under their supervision only. This is very common practice to teach kids how to operate and respect firearms. You never leave them alone with the gun and you never keep it unlocked so they can get at it at any time. That's common sense and being responsible.

If you want to give your kid a gun they can shoot others with, Nerf makes a very large array of foam based firearms that are a lot of fun to use. 

its dumb though. there are powerful enough pellet rifles that will kill small animals that could also teach them the same. there is no reason a minor any near this age should own a gun.

I've said it before, I'll say it again...as a gun owner and lover...parents need to start being held responsible if anything happens with any guns in their house or any guns they own. Whether they committed the crime or not, the parents need to be held responsible. If the parents start having to take the hit for what kids do with their guns, they will start actually locking them up. I'm tired of idiots making the 99.99 percent of responsible gun owners look bad.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="Treflis"]My question is why would you give your five year old child anything other then a waterpistol? What reason, which would have to make sense, would you buy a child below at least 14-15 years a firearm? Regardless of caliber.Pirate700