all media is corrupt, were nazi's portrayed accurately?

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#1 Posted by moloch999 (125 posts) -

How bad were the nazi's? america had a lot to gain so did russia. nobody trusts the media these days, it shows how you can paint a picture of somebody that's not really true. So were the nazi's really that bad?

#2 Posted by Boston_Boyy (3892 posts) -

So were the nazi's really that bad?

Yes

#3 Posted by moloch999 (125 posts) -

@moloch999 said:

So were the nazi's really that bad?

Yes

How do you know things weren't doctored so you would hate them and we could take their technology (which we did).

#4 Edited by strategyfn (334 posts) -

I believe so yes, they holocausted 5.5 or so million Jews. Hitler lied about Poland firing the first shot giving him pretense to invade and start a war.

I don't have any firm reason to doubt what I am told. Why would countless people including several history teachers lie. The evidence points to yes, and I don't see what you could come up with.

Are you saying the German army was never in France, Poland, Russia? My grand-dad must've been in on the conspiracy because he claimed to have spent 1-2 years in an allied POW camp. I've heard other WWII accounts.

I don't think all media is corrupt. I think CNN is fairly accurate.

They have videos of Jews in the holocaust. Are you saying people starved themselves nearly to death just for the camera? Plus most Germans even admit to being wrong. Why would a majority of a country admit to something for no reason.

I don't have much of a reason to doubt it, blow my mind.

#5 Posted by the_bi99man (11026 posts) -

@Boston_Boyy said:
@moloch999 said:

So were the nazi's really that bad?

Yes

How do you know things weren't doctored so you would hate them and we could take their technology (which we did).

Regardless of the fact that we took their technology (spoils of war), we know they were really that bad because it wasn't that long ago. Pretty sure the last holocaust survivor just died this year. So there are actually still people alive who were there to personally witness the Nazi atrocities, and tell the stories in their own words. All media is corrupt, sure, but I, for one, have never learned anything about Nazis from the media that I didn't already know, from being told about it by my grandparents and their friends, who saw it with their own eyes.

#6 Edited by moloch999 (125 posts) -

@moloch999 said:

@Boston_Boyy said:
@moloch999 said:

So were the nazi's really that bad?

Yes

How do you know things weren't doctored so you would hate them and we could take their technology (which we did).

Regardless of the fact that we took their technology (spoils of war), we know they were really that bad because it wasn't that long ago. Pretty sure the last holocaust survivor just died this year. So there are actually still people alive who were there to personally witness the Nazi atrocities, and tell the stories in their own words. All media is corrupt, sure, but I, for one, have never learned anything about Nazis from the media that I didn't already know, from being told about it by my grandparents and their friends, who saw it with their own eyes.

I'm not saying the nazi's didn't do anything wrong. i'm asking do you think other country's added stuff so they could get the scientists and technology.

#7 Posted by strategyfn (334 posts) -

No, they were that bad, but the allies committed some atrocities/warcrimes too which some allied neckbeards don't care about want to excuse.

#8 Posted by strategyfn (334 posts) -

If it makes you feel any better OP, there is the extreme rumor that Hitler offered up some Jews to the allies (I don't know a large part), but the Allies didn't take them. I am indifferent to that idea.

You should study history OP, if you ever see the opportunity, it seems like you are interested and you would see that they were that bad.

#9 Edited by Bardock47 (5146 posts) -

Holocaust /thread

#10 Edited by the_bi99man (11026 posts) -

@the_bi99man said:

Regardless of the fact that we took their technology (spoils of war), we know they were really that bad because it wasn't that long ago. Pretty sure the last holocaust survivor just died this year. So there are actually still people alive who were there to personally witness the Nazi atrocities, and tell the stories in their own words. All media is corrupt, sure, but I, for one, have never learned anything about Nazis from the media that I didn't already know, from being told about it by my grandparents and their friends, who saw it with their own eyes.

I'm not saying the nazi's didn't do anything wrong. i'm asking do you think other country's added stuff so they could get the scientists and technology.

I'm sure that's possible, but I doubt it. Because they didn't need to make anything up. The stuff that was obvious and well-known facts, which no one even tried to hide (at the time) was more than bad enough for people to rightly consider Nazis to be the embodiment of evil, and Hitler to be the closest thing the world has ever seen to the Devil himself, walking the earth.

There wouldn't have been a point in making up more shit, to convince the world that they were the bad guys. They did a mighty fine job of putting off the "crazed violent regime, bent on world domination" vibe all on their own, and were proud of it.

#11 Posted by lamprey263 (22428 posts) -

How do you know you're not living in your own Truman Show? How do you know there even is a Germany? How do you know the world that exists beyond what you've seen is even real? How do you know we're not living in some simulation like the Matrix?

#12 Posted by the_bi99man (11026 posts) -

How do you know you're not living in your own Truman Show? How do you know there even is a Germany? How do you know the world that exists beyond what you've seen is even real? How do you know we're not living in some simulation like the Matrix?

#13 Posted by lamprey263 (22428 posts) -

@lamprey263 said:

How do you know you're not living in your own Truman Show? How do you know there even is a Germany? How do you know the world that exists beyond what you've seen is even real? How do you know we're not living in some simulation like the Matrix?

I wasn't attempting to say anything profound. I don't quite understand the drive of some people though to be so anti-establishment about stuff they over-question everything. The irony though is such people usually buy into some remarkably awful bullshit... that's how we have people that believe in some interdimensional shapeshifting reptilian overloards the run world governments through the Illuminati / Trilateral Commission / Bilderbergs, and so on.

#14 Posted by ad1x2 (5402 posts) -

Here is a list of famous Holocaust survivors, some of whom are still alive.

If you want the truth you can ask them or read their memoirs. Also, there are World War II vets who walked through the camps that may still be alive.

There really was no reason to make up the atrocities that took place. Yes, there are Holocaust deniers but the vast majority of them deny it due to either racism or stupidity.

#15 Edited by Nibroc420 (13567 posts) -

No.

Nazi soldiers weren't necessarily anti semitic as many people portray them today. Many were simply soldiers who were a part of the German army prior to Hitler's rise to power.
Think of it like the War-crimes the USA is committing in modern times; soldiers receive orders to use drone strikes on X,Y,Z locations. It is their job, they're not only paid for it, but they're told they're protecting people, their country, their families.
Yet we constantly hear about how the USA uses double-taps on civilians, does that make all US soldiers bad people? Does it make the person doing the job they're ordered to do, a bad person? What if they didn't even know the people they were firing upon were innocent?

I'm not saying some people weren't/aren't completely barbaric, but in today's society, every Nazi is demonized. Which seems a little unfair.

#16 Posted by Master_Live (13614 posts) -

How bad were the nazi's? america had a lot to gain so did russia. nobody trusts the media these days, it shows how you can paint a picture of somebody that's not really true. So were the nazi's really that bad?

Nah, actually they were alright.

#17 Posted by playmynutz (5921 posts) -

The Nazi may have been a tool for the New World Order. Praise God the meek shall inherit Earth.

#18 Edited by VaguelyTagged (10039 posts) -

i for one have never seen a fair documentary on the matter. in fact not a single documentary on nazis (as far as i know) meets the required standards to be called a documentary. they were all just biased, paranoid crap on behalf of the winners side. that doesn't make nazis any good though. it just proves that both parties were probably just as bad.

#19 Edited by SEANMCAD (5464 posts) -

ahhhhh...

were nazi's the victims?..how sad

#20 Posted by Master_Live (13614 posts) -

i for one have never seen a fair documentary on the matter.

How would a fair documentary about the Nazi look like in your mind?

#21 Edited by GamingGod999 (2891 posts) -

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#22 Posted by vl4d_l3nin (765 posts) -

Of course they were not some kind of living incarnation of evil. They promoted good health, national unity, and closed social division between social class better than most nations in history. The price was just far too great.

#23 Edited by jun_aka_pekto (15753 posts) -

@moloch999 said:

@the_bi99man said:

@moloch999 said:

@Boston_Boyy said:
@moloch999 said:

So were the nazi's really that bad?

Yes

How do you know things weren't doctored so you would hate them and we could take their technology (which we did).

Regardless of the fact that we took their technology (spoils of war), we know they were really that bad because it wasn't that long ago. Pretty sure the last holocaust survivor just died this year. So there are actually still people alive who were there to personally witness the Nazi atrocities, and tell the stories in their own words. All media is corrupt, sure, but I, for one, have never learned anything about Nazis from the media that I didn't already know, from being told about it by my grandparents and their friends, who saw it with their own eyes.

I'm not saying the nazi's didn't do anything wrong. i'm asking do you think other country's added stuff so they could get the scientists and technology.

The US got Nazi tech by giving Nazi scientists a free pass to immigrate to the US. Nothing new about that.

I should clarify that as German tech. Not all Germans were hardcore nazis.

#26 Posted by Sword-Demon (6871 posts) -

"History is written by the victors" - Is it coincidence that Winston Churchill made that quote?

But if you're going to make that argument, then there's nothing you can trust. Anything can be doctored / forged / manipulated to make you believe what they want you to believe.

In the end, all evidence we know of points to the Nazis being exactly what they were portrayed as.

#27 Edited by lostrib (31535 posts) -

@the_bi99man said:

@moloch999 said:

@Boston_Boyy said:
@moloch999 said:

So were the nazi's really that bad?

Yes

How do you know things weren't doctored so you would hate them and we could take their technology (which we did).

Regardless of the fact that we took their technology (spoils of war), we know they were really that bad because it wasn't that long ago. Pretty sure the last holocaust survivor just died this year. So there are actually still people alive who were there to personally witness the Nazi atrocities, and tell the stories in their own words. All media is corrupt, sure, but I, for one, have never learned anything about Nazis from the media that I didn't already know, from being told about it by my grandparents and their friends, who saw it with their own eyes.

I'm not saying the nazi's didn't do anything wrong. i'm asking do you think other country's added stuff so they could get the scientists and technology.

Why would they need to add stuff? they won the war, they just took the tech and got the scientists

#28 Posted by jun_aka_pekto (15753 posts) -

I like to distinguish between German and Nazis. I have a lot of respect for Germans. The true blue Nazis need to die.

#29 Posted by TheStatusQuo (4991 posts) -

The National Socialism Party was created by the Zionist (the League of the Just--Capitalistic German/Jews). The purpose was to allow Germany to unify. Unfortunately, Adolf Hitler made an error when he issued his own fiat currency. The Nazis become the new power-house of Europe, and this made the corrupt United Kingdom, and its corporation, "The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA", create fear to allow the people to think that Hitler was another Napoleon. Such a people cannot flourish since it is a threat to global governance. The goal is a unified empire. That will not happen with the Zionist. The ADL (created by the Rothschilds) makes sure to punish anyone who knows the truth about history.

#30 Posted by robokill (1064 posts) -

most media is corrupt, and yes the nazis were as bad as people say. They have information about them in the German museums as way to avoid it from happening again and as a way to make peace with their history. You can see the concentration camps, the propaganda and the weapons they used in the museums. Really crazy stuff actually seeing the magazines they used to produce.

#31 Posted by Meinhard1 (6743 posts) -

Well the consensus among most historians is pretty damning.

But the media at the time?

#32 Edited by vfibsux (4205 posts) -

@Nibroc420 said:

No.

Nazi soldiers weren't necessarily anti semitic as many people portray them today. Many were simply soldiers who were a part of the German army prior to Hitler's rise to power.

Think of it like the War-crimes the USA is committing in modern times; soldiers receive orders to use drone strikes on X,Y,Z locations. It is their job, they're not only paid for it, but they're told they're protecting people, their country, their families.

Yet we constantly hear about how the USA uses double-taps on civilians, does that make all US soldiers bad people? Does it make the person doing the job they're ordered to do, a bad person? What if they didn't even know the people they were firing upon were innocent?

I'm not saying some people weren't/aren't completely barbaric, but in today's society, every Nazi is demonized. Which seems a little unfair.

And here we go.....doesn't take long before the United States is thrown in. Way to go GS-off topic, you don't disappoint.

And there is a difference between a German soldier and a Nazi...such as those in the SS. Saying that...as a member of the US military if we started land grabbing Canada, Central, and South america I would absolutely say fuck this, it goes against everything I stand for. Obviously these German soldiers were all for conquering every neighboring nation in its path.

And the whole "drone strike" (they are not drones, they are piloted) thing is overblown. 99% of these missions are simple surveillance or over watching our troops to protect them.

#33 Posted by vfibsux (4205 posts) -

Of course they were not some kind of living incarnation of evil. They promoted good health, national unity, and closed social division between social class better than most nations in history. The price was just far too great.

Yea because promoting good health, national unity, and socialism erases that whole holocaust thing you forgot to mention. Wow.

#34 Edited by alim298 (1013 posts) -

Nazis weren't the people who nuked Hiroshima so yeah...

(But keep blaming them for killing some Jews because after all they were Jews not some tiny eyed Japaneses)

#35 Posted by turtlethetaffer (16389 posts) -

Are you fucking kidding me? The first time in weeks I come to OT and this is the first fucking thread I see.

#36 Posted by fueled-system (6225 posts) -

You cannot possibly be serious... No wonder offtopic has lost so much activity...

Still alot of WW2 survivors, go find one and talk to them..

#37 Edited by the_bi99man (11026 posts) -

@alim298 said:

Nazis weren't the people who nuked Hiroshima so yeah...

(But keep blaming them for killing some Jews because after all they were Jews not some tiny eyed Japaneses)

Just in case you're serious (if you are..... wow. just.... wow.)...

Total casualties from the nukes in Japan (both Hiroshima and Nagasaki), including those who died of radiation and other complications in the years and decades after the blasts, according to the memorials in Japan (and based on the highest of estimates): ~700,000

Total number of people killed by Nazis during the holocaust: ~11 Million (about 6 million of which were "some Jews").

(but keep being laughably clueless about history)

Your move, dumbass.

#38 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (3680 posts) -
#40 Posted by vfibsux (4205 posts) -

@alim298 said:

Nazis weren't the people who nuked Hiroshima so yeah...

(But keep blaming them for killing some Jews because after all they were Jews not some tiny eyed Japaneses)

Big bad America! Did my flag make you cry?

#41 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (3680 posts) -

@alim298 said:

Nazis weren't the people who nuked Hiroshima so yeah...

(But keep blaming them for killing some Jews because after all they were Jews not some tiny eyed Japaneses)

my god the retard just come right out of people in threads like this.

The nuclear weapons are estimated to have saved 10-15 million lives, most of them Japanese, because they caused an immediate surrender by japan. A land invasion by the U.S. and russia would have killed millions.

#42 Edited by vfibsux (4205 posts) -

@MakeMeaSammitch said:

@alim298 said:

Nazis weren't the people who nuked Hiroshima so yeah...

(But keep blaming them for killing some Jews because after all they were Jews not some tiny eyed Japaneses)

my god the retard just come right out of people in threads like this.

The nuclear weapons are estimated to have saved 10-15 million lives, most of them Japanese, because they caused an immediate surrender by japan. A land invasion by the U.S. and russia would have killed millions.

Also funny how people ignore the fact the fire bombings of Tokyo in the month prior to the nukes killed more than the nukes did....but that was okay because they weren't nukes.

World War II was a terrible freaking war in which estimates in the range of 60 million people died. Japan's civilian deaths were NOTHING compared to that of China, Russia, Poland, and Yugoslavia. Last I checked the U.S. did not nuke any of those countries. We don't even have to get into the holocaust to talk about the ridiculous number of civilians Germany killed.

This guy is either a troll or a complete f'ing moron for even going here.

#43 Edited by Master_Live (13614 posts) -

The National Socialism Party was created by the Zionist (the League of the Just--Capitalistic German/Jews). The purpose was to allow Germany to unify. Unfortunately, Adolf Hitler made an error when he issued his own fiat currency. The Nazis become the new power-house of Europe, and this made the corrupt United Kingdom, and its corporation, "The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA", create fear to allow the people to think that Hitler was another Napoleon. Such a people cannot flourish since it is a threat to global governance. The goal is a unified empire. That will not happen with the Zionist. The ADL (created by the Rothschilds) makes sure to punish anyone who knows the truth about history.

Exactly, where is ultimate-k?

#44 Posted by the_bi99man (11026 posts) -

@vfibsux said:

World War II was a terrible freaking war in which estimates in the range of 60 million people died. Japan's civilian deaths were NOTHING compared to that of China, Russia, Poland, and Yugoslavia. Last I checked the U.S. did not nuke any of those countries. We don't even have to get into the holocaust to talk about the ridiculous number of civilians Germany killed.

Indeed. Like I said,

Total casualties from the nukes in Japan (both Hiroshima and Nagasaki), including those who died of radiation and other complications in the years and decades after the blasts, according to the memorials in Japan (and based on the highest of estimates): ~700,000

Total number of people killed by Nazis during the holocaust: ~11 Million

#45 Edited by jun_aka_pekto (15753 posts) -

@the_bi99man said:

@alim298 said:

Nazis weren't the people who nuked Hiroshima so yeah...

(But keep blaming them for killing some Jews because after all they were Jews not some tiny eyed Japaneses)

Just in case you're serious (if you are..... wow. just.... wow.)...

Total casualties from the nukes in Japan (both Hiroshima and Nagasaki), including those who died of radiation and other complications in the years and decades after the blasts, according to the memorials in Japan (and based on the highest of estimates): ~700,000

Total number of people killed by Nazis during the holocaust: ~11 Million (about 6 million of which were "some Jews").

(but keep being laughably clueless about history)

Your move, dumbass.

Muslim Nazis. F-ing evil people too. They need to die as well.