When will they make a traditional, gimmick-free console?

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#1 Tigerman950
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i thought the NX would be it but I just read some rumors about it and, if they're to be believed, that does not appear to be the case. Their past 2 home consoles have relied solely on gimmicks and had inferior hardware, graphics, etc. Are they ever gonna make a traditional game console with normal controllers and graphics that are up to par with PS4 and Xbox One? From what I remember the GameCube and N64 did this and competed strongly, and didn't rely on these gimmicks.

Will Nintendo ever make a console with games that are the same quality as PS4/Xbox One and can play games that are also released for those two consoles, with the same graphics? I remember Resident Evil 4 and TimeSplitters 2 actually looking the best on the GameCube out of all 3 systems...what happened to those days?

Or am I wrong and is the NX really going to be that console?

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@Tigerman950: I don't see how the n64 or GC competed strongly. They sold terribly.

Nintendo isn't Nintendo if they didn't innovate. The way I see it is, they tried to make the WiiU more traditional. Made it pretty strong, has a normal controller (yes it has a huge screen on it, but it plays like a normal controller) and it's selling like trash. So the NX, whatever it is, it's going to be different and innovative.

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@polishkid99 said:

@Tigerman950: I don't see how the n64 or GC competed strongly. They sold terribly.

Nintendo isn't Nintendo if they didn't innovate. The way I see it is, they tried to make the WiiU more traditional. Made it pretty strong, has a normal controller (yes it has a huge screen on it, but it plays like a normal controller) and it's selling like trash. So the NX, whatever it is, it's going to be different and innovative.

Except that it wasn't strong at all and doesn't have close to a normal controller.

So Nintendo made a console that isn't anything like a mainstream console and it's selling poorly.

As for the topic at hand I don't see them ever making one because they don't have the technological chops to hang with the other companies. Most of their dev teams don't really know how to make high end games. It's like Nintendo devs don't know how to drive and you want them to have a Ferrari, it's just not good.

You give them a vespa and when they go somewhere fast you say good job.

I think Nintendo is comfortable being a cell phone company and getting their profits from there.

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@Jaysonguy: love the analogy haha.

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#5 Sepewrath
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There is no such thing as a gimmick free console.

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@Tigerman950:

When has nintendo ever made a console with "normal" controllers?

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@Jaysonguy:

Nintendo makes the highest end games. They define and perfect genres. It's why they have so many classics in their catalog. The games always stand on a solid foundation with more depth than any other developer. Comparing a game like Uncharted to Mario Galaxy? Uncharted is fcking pre school in comparison.

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#8 GameboyTroy
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Here are the rumors. I hope that they make a proper console. A console that is competitive.

More Nintendo NX Rumours Emerge

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#9 Spinnerweb
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The last time they made a traditional, gimmick-free console (the GC), it got outsold by its main competitor by about 135 million units. They won't make a 'simple' console anytime soon, they won't rely on it for good early sales.

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@Sepewrath said:

There is no such thing as a gimmick free console.

This. All the consoles have gimmicks that are used to help sell the product. I'm amazed at how many people on gamespot don't know what a Gimmick is

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#11  Edited By Collie_Lover
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I hope whatever the NX is, it is nothing like the PS4 or Xbox One because it won’t be innovative if it is. If the NX is like the PS4 and the Xbox One, we will have 3 identical consoles and PC to choose to game on. That would be EXTREMELY boring. Whatever the NX is going to be, I hope that Nintendo goes full force into Blue Oceans to bring regular gamers back in, and not just loyal Nintendo fans like me.

If you didn’t get a Wii U this generation all you have is a safe, boring, traditional game controller, and you are pretty much stuck with playing glitzy broken games one way. With the Wii U we still have Wii Remotes plus the Gamepad for a greater variety in gameplay options.

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@Collie_Lover said:

"If the NX is like the PS4 and the Xbox One, we will have 3 identical consoles and PC to choose to game on".

I second this sentiment. Looking forward to seeing what Nintendo comes up with.

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@polishkid99 said:

@Tigerman950: I don't see how the n64 or GC competed strongly. They sold terribly.

Nintendo isn't Nintendo if they didn't innovate. The way I see it is, they tried to make the WiiU more traditional. Made it pretty strong, has a normal controller (yes it has a huge screen on it, but it plays like a normal controller) and it's selling like trash. So the NX, whatever it is, it's going to be different and innovative.

The real reason the Wii-U isn't selling well is because they don't support it half as well as the 3ds. The Wii-U is a good console with some good games, but not as many good games as ps4 or xbox. Nintendo really needs to stop pushing mario based games down our throat. Where is Zelda Wii-U? The console needs it badly.

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@Heirren said:

@Jaysonguy:

Nintendo makes the highest end games. They define and perfect genres. It's why they have so many classics in their catalog. The games always stand on a solid foundation with more depth than any other developer. Comparing a game like Uncharted to Mario Galaxy? Uncharted is fcking pre school in comparison.

Yeah, that's a lie that's been going around for quite a while.Glad to see that you parrot it instead of you know, use actual facts.

I love how you don't say that a large portion of their top tier games have glitches that completely break the games.

Zelda, Metroid, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, Mario Kart.

And let's not forget that any kind of leaderboards on Nintendo created titles are useless because people break them in about a week.

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The N64 had the analog stick gimmick and rumble pack gimmick until Sony create the first Dualshock controler that had all that. The GC had the GBA adaptor to use the GBA as a controler or for displaying some stuff that you couldn't have otherwise and it also had the GBA player adaptor on top of using disc format that no one use

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@burnslash: I see Nintendo publish pretty much the same amount of games on the 3DS than on the Wii but the cataclog is more diverse on the 3DS and it cost a lot less to do a game so of course they made a lot of unique stuff that wouldn't sell on a home consol.

Also the 3DS is supported by 3rd parties because the Vita isn't even a competitor so the only way to publish their game and reach their sale targets is to make it for the 3DS. Publishers know that it won't sell on the WiiU so they don't bother making a version for it

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@Coco_pierrot said:

@burnslash: I see Nintendo publish pretty much the same amount of games on the 3DS than on the Wii but the cataclog is more diverse on the 3DS and it cost a lot less to do a game so of course they made a lot of unique stuff that wouldn't sell on a home consol.

Also the 3DS is supported by 3rd parties because the Vita isn't even a competitor so the only way to publish their game and reach their sale targets is to make it for the 3DS. Publishers know that it won't sell on the WiiU so they don't bother making a version for it

Yes the diversity on the 3ds is great. The Wii-U does have good games too. It is a good system. It just needs the 1rst party support from Nintendo. It needed a better launch line up, and it needs (and will get) Zelda Wii-U and Xenoblade X.

I think there will never be a game that will make Wii-U sell at this point in time. I think a proper launch line up would have boosted their units sold.

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@Jaysonguy: You really like to shit on everything don't you ? Every game of the NES, SNES and N64 area had glitches. Nintendo games are more notorious exemple because they had the most popular title of those area simple as that Even games of today have glitches but I agree they aren't the same type of glitches

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#19  Edited By KBFloYd
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ill buy whatever they put out....

if it wasnt for the wii...i would not be playing fps games right now.... gyro in the gamepad lets me play splatoon...

i enjoy their new ideas to gamming. if you dont then dont buy it.

if they go more traditional next gen im fine with that too.

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#20 Jut
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Forget that, if you want a generic console that's the same as the last one, but with a bit more power, just go and buy a PS4 / Xbox. That angle is already covered by two other companies.

I like the innovation that Nintendo brings. I'm happy with my Wii U, it does exactly what I want it to do. The fact that no-one else really bought one is a shame, but that doesn't stop me enjoying it.

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#21 Collie_Lover
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Look at the wonderful artwork people are making on Miiverse (ok there is some bad art on there too). Some of the artwork ranges from simple doodling to amazing professional level fine art. All of that will go away when the Gamepad goes away. If you own a Wii U, you know what I am talking about.

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I can see the NX being a hybrid console. In that it has a tablet like controller that can also function as a handheld when not connected to the console itself. That tablet would have a slot for handheld cartridges while the console itself would have the traditional disc slot.

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I don't think you understand what a gimmick is, because every console has one.

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@Jaysonguy:

Which nintendo games are really broken?

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@Heirren said:

@Jaysonguy:

Which nintendo games are really broken?

Twilight Princess

Metroid: 3 and Other M

Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze

Pokemon X and Y

Mario Kart is usually a bug riddled mess but Mario Kart Wii has like three dozen of them.

That's just the ones off the top of my head.

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@Tigerman950: Probably never because traditional nintendo consoles don't sell very well.

They haven't had a successful gen (as far as console sales go) since the SNES really. and thats subjective since they had no real competition back then (ala Playstation coming in and selling 100 million units in the next gen).

Really, look at N64 sales and Gamecube sales. pretty terrible compared to PS1 and PS2. and those were as traditional as you can get- many would argue the games from those 2 gens are better games in terms of quality and variety than anything nintendo has done recently. but their arrogance in those gens hurt the console sales- "**** you" to third parties with cartridge instead of disc (ever looked at how much it cost to product a game on cartridge than disc? and devs would have to gamble and order x amount of cartridges before the game development was complete, so they may lose money)with N64 and mini-dvd instead of regular dvd with gamecube.

Also they didn't shake their kiddy family friendly persona and thats now stuck with them for life in the eyes of the gaming world.

They hit it big with gimmicks with the Wii, selling 100 million. thats their biggest console success to date.

Well, maybe gimmicks dont sell consoles for them, considering the Wii U sales.

Besides, we all know Wii owners really werent gamers. The majority, that is. 100 million Wiis sold yet only a few million copies of Zelda, Metroid Prime 3, Donkey Kong, Mario Galaxy, and other good titles on the system, while Just Dance and Wii Sports probably sold like 50 million? uhuh.

(yes yes i know Mario Kart sold like 40 mil and Smash sold 10 mil. Those are their 2 top sellers as always)

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@Collie_Lover said:

I hope whatever the NX is, it is nothing like the PS4 or Xbox One because it won’t be innovative if it is. If the NX is like the PS4 and the Xbox One, we will have 3 identical consoles and PC to choose to game on. That would be EXTREMELY boring. Whatever the NX is going to be, I hope that Nintendo goes full force into Blue Oceans to bring regular gamers back in, and not just loyal Nintendo fans like me.

If you didn’t get a Wii U this generation all you have is a safe, boring, traditional game controller, and you are pretty much stuck with playing glitzy broken games one way. With the Wii U we still have Wii Remotes plus the Gamepad for a greater variety in gameplay options.

this is all so opinionated. a lot of people prefer the "boring traditional gaming control". I think the PS4 controller is the best controller made since the Gamecube controller. I HATE motion controls. I will never use them as they are finnicky and just annoying. I was getting frustrated tonight with the motion control parts of Everybody's Gone To The Rapture.

"broken games day one" lmao this summer alone I've played Rocket League, Limbo, Until Dawn, Rapture, Journey, Bloodborne, The Witcher 3, Batman Arkham Knight and now Metal Gear Solid The Phantom Pain, which is one of the best games I've played in forever. People who dickride Nintendo and are oblivious to other gaming companies are hilarious.

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#29  Edited By deactivated-58ce94803a170
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@jcrame10: This summer i played Splatoon, Rocket League, Witcher 3, Limbo, Heroes of the Storm, Cities Skylines, Her Story, Ori and the Blind Forrest, Hearthstone, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, Card Hunter, Shadowrun Hong Kong, Runbow, Lego Jurassic World, and MGS5.

Get yourself a PC mate, your missing out on best graphics, free online and mods.

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I said “broken games one way” not “day one”.

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What classifies as a gimmick? The Wii's motion control was optional, so it's really just a feature. The Wii U's tablet is optional, so it's really just a feature too. The belief that hardware specs ensure success is shown to false by the Dreamcast and the Vita and others. There's more to it than what's on paper.

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#32  Edited By Toxic-Seahorse
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What you call "gimmicks" is what will make the NX successful. Seriously, entering this late in the game with a copycat console of the PS4 and Xbox One would be a huge mistake for Nintendo. They need something new and exciting to get people to buy it when they already have a PS4 or Xbox One.

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@so_hai said:

What classifies as a gimmick? The Wii's motion control was optional, so it's really just a feature. The Wii U's tablet is optional, so it's really just a feature too. The belief that hardware specs ensure success is shown to false by the Dreamcast and the Vita and others. There's more to it than what's on paper.

Gimmick - noun - an ingenious or novel device, scheme, or stratagem, especially one designed to attract attention or increase appeal.

Motion controls on the Wii are a gimmick. The Gamepad is also a gimmick. Multimedia playback is a gimmick. Gimmick isn't a dirty word. Some gimmicks just work better than others.

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@mesome713: I already own PS4/Wii U/Xbone I see no reason to invest in a PC at this point in time.

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@jcrame10: That sucks mate, PC could have played majority of your PS4 and Xbone One games with better graphics, free online, mods and so much more. Thats why i went PC, Wii U, and 3DS, best combo ever. But to each their own, if its worth it to you, then its worth it to you.

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@mesome713: but then you're stuck with the same nintendo games you've probably been playing since you were 5 and third party games.

You're missing out on sunset overdrive, halo, infamous, last of us, uncharted, ratchet and clank, quantum break, LBP, Scalebound, ect games won't be on 3ds or wii u or PC. Nintendo fans act like nintendo is the only company with first party games

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#37  Edited By deactivated-58ce94803a170
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@jcrame10: And your missing out on so many awesome PC games, choices mate, they be hard to make. I cant go without my Nintendo, Blizzard, and Valve, sorry mate, wont happen.

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@mesome713: like what? Counterstrike? DOTA? League of legends, world of Warcraft?

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@jcrame10: Team Fortress 2, Starcraft 2, WoW, Heroes of the Storm, Black Mesa, Overwatch, Warcraft III, The Stanley Parable, and so many more from them. They make some awesome stuff. PC is best gaming device ever.

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@mesome713: I'm not really into the big fantasy mmo type games like wow and Starcraft. I like story driven single player games, those are my favorite and that's why I like PS the best.

I have always wanted to try team fortress though. That game seems good. I'm not a huge fan of FPS games but I do know it's not like a typical shooter

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@jcrame10: Yeah, i feel you, i cant stand story games though, majority of them put me to sleep. I need my gameplay. Ive been playing Dues Ex Human Revolution for 4 days now and its rough, im pushing through it though, but the story stuff gets boring. If it werent for the fun stealth, i would have dropped the game long ago.

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@mesome713: yeah I get that. I like a happy dose of both- last of us, uncharted, infamous. But some games are just too much or too boring- a lot of people like mass effect but I couldn't finish it

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& people just continue to ignore that pointless blue light on PS4 controller. :P

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@Jaysonguy said:
@Heirren said:

@Jaysonguy:

Which nintendo games are really broken?

Twilight Princess

Metroid: 3 and Other M

Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze

Pokemon X and Y

Mario Kart is usually a bug riddled mess but Mario Kart Wii has like three dozen of them.

That's just the ones off the top of my head.

Other M is the only one of those where I came across a glitch and it got patched. Maybe I'm just lucky :)