im geting the wii U may not be at launch but eventually.
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Still not sure yet... I was a huge fan of the Gamecube, but the Wii sucked. I'm hoping the Wii U is a step back in the right direction. Does anybody know if Gamecube games will be available to download on it? That would be a huge factor in me buying one.
yes Nintendo said we will be able to download gamecube games from the eshop...and i got the deluxe preordered at gamestop:D cant wait till nov 18Still not sure yet... I was a huge fan of the Gamecube, but the Wii sucked. I'm hoping the Wii U is a step back in the right direction. Does anybody know if Gamecube games will be available to download on it? That would be a huge factor in me buying one.
hrt_rulz01
I'll be getting it at launch. Plus if all goes well... I might have a job by then. Though to be completly honest, I already have the money for the Wii U Delux and plenty of money for the games. I'll even have some left over (maybe).
I might not get all of them at launch, since well...I won't be able to all of them at the same time :P But to me this looks like one of the best launch line-ups I have ever seen from a console.
I preordered online so they will ship it the day after Launch; it should arrive at my house Friday or Saturday after Launch which is will be the 23rd or 24th of November.
Definitely going to pick it up at some point, but I feel the launch title list is not strong enough for me to even consider getting it when it launches. I'll wait a year for the price to drop $100 and the Zelda U game to come out, then pick it up.
Definitely going to pick it up at some point, but I feel the launch title list is not strong enough for me to even consider getting it when it launches. I'll wait a year for the price to drop $100 and the Zelda U game to come out, then pick it up.
Definitely going to pick it up at some point, but I feel the launch title list is not strong enough for me to even consider getting it when it launches. I'll wait a year for the price to drop $100 and the Zelda U game to come out, then pick it up.
Hsk_Dark_Link
$100 price drop? I doubt it. If there will be a price drop within a year it will be a $50 drop.
No. Not now, not ever. Fool me once Nintendo Wii, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.BrixtanHow exactly did they fool you?
Yes but not at launch..later when there is more games.
Oh playing RE6 (PS3) atm & I don't mind so much its not on WiiU..nothing great.:P
Right now, no. THe second I see a MEtroid or Zelda that blows my mind (has to blow my mind ;) ), I will buy one. Or if some other game comes that is just amazing.
if your expecting the games to be the second coming I can already tell you you're setting yourself up for disappointmentRight now, no. THe second I see a MEtroid or Zelda that blows my mind (has to blow my mind ;) ), I will buy one. Or if some other game comes that is just amazing.
NaveedLife
[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]if your expecting the games to be the second coming I can already tell you you're setting yourself up for disappointmentRight now, no. THe second I see a MEtroid or Zelda that blows my mind (has to blow my mind ;) ), I will buy one. Or if some other game comes that is just amazing.
Shinobishyguy
NOt the second coming, just a return to former glory. SNES did it. N64 did it. Gamecube did it. Wii changed it. Good games, not up to snuff though. I am hoping that changes.
if your expecting the games to be the second coming I can already tell you you're setting yourself up for disappointment[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="NaveedLife"]
Right now, no. THe second I see a MEtroid or Zelda that blows my mind (has to blow my mind ;) ), I will buy one. Or if some other game comes that is just amazing.
NaveedLife
NOt the second coming, just a return to former glory. SNES did it. N64 did it. Gamecube did it. Wii changed it. Good games, not up to snuff though. I am hoping that changes.
Thats what I'm talking about, if you keep stacking the games up to those precious memories of playing the older titles when you were a kid, it's going to be impossible for them to live up[QUOTE="NaveedLife"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] if your expecting the games to be the second coming I can already tell you you're setting yourself up for disappointmentShinobishyguy
NOt the second coming, just a return to former glory. SNES did it. N64 did it. Gamecube did it. Wii changed it. Good games, not up to snuff though. I am hoping that changes.
Thats what I'm talking about, if you keep stacking the games up to those precious memories of playing the older titles when you were a kid, it's going to be impossible for them to live uplol you think im so blinded by nostalgia, but do you not agree that Skyward Sword is the most linear 3D Zelda to date? Do you not agree that Prime 3 and Other M were more linear than prime 1, 2, and Super (and all the others)? There is no denying this. This is a fact. Is it really so unreasonable for me to want them to go back to being exploration based?
I am not a fanboy. I am not a hate. I am not blinded by nostalgia. I am optomistically cautious of Nintendo's future.
Thats what I'm talking about, if you keep stacking the games up to those precious memories of playing the older titles when you were a kid, it's going to be impossible for them to live up[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="NaveedLife"]
NOt the second coming, just a return to former glory. SNES did it. N64 did it. Gamecube did it. Wii changed it. Good games, not up to snuff though. I am hoping that changes.
NaveedLife
lol you think im so blinded by nostalgia, but do you not agree that Skyward Sword is the most linear 3D Zelda to date? Do you not agree that Prime 3 and Other M were more linear than prime 1, 2, and Super (and all the others)? There is no denying this. This is a fact. Is it really so unreasonable for me to want them to go back to being exploration based?
I am not a fanboy. I am not a hate. I am not blinded by nostalgia. I am optomistically cautious of Nintendo's future.
:I'm not denying that those games were different design wise but that's besides the point.If you keep on playing the games and directly comparing them to past entries like it's some sort of exam it's going to taint your experience
And nostalgia does have a role in this. Every human being feels it even if it's in the back of our minds.
[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]
[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Thats what I'm talking about, if you keep stacking the games up to those precious memories of playing the older titles when you were a kid, it's going to be impossible for them to live upShinobishyguy
lol you think im so blinded by nostalgia, but do you not agree that Skyward Sword is the most linear 3D Zelda to date? Do you not agree that Prime 3 and Other M were more linear than prime 1, 2, and Super (and all the others)? There is no denying this. This is a fact. Is it really so unreasonable for me to want them to go back to being exploration based?
I am not a fanboy. I am not a hate. I am not blinded by nostalgia. I am optomistically cautious of Nintendo's future.
:I'm not denying that those games were different design wise but that's besides the point.If you keep on playing the games and directly comparing them to past entries like it's some sort of exam it's going to taint your experience
And nostalgia does have a role in this. Every human being feels it even if it's in the back of your minds
"I'm not denying that those games were different design wise but that's besides the point."
How the heck is that besides the point? Should I not be dissapointed by Metal Gear Rising? Should I not be dissapointed by Tales of Symphonia 2 ? Should I not be dissapointed by Final Fantasy XIII?
What you are saying is it is unreasonable for fans of series to be dissapointed when the devs change the core of the games design. How dare I expect series to stay true to their roots! :P
:I'm not denying that those games were different design wise but that's besides the point.[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]
[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]
lol you think im so blinded by nostalgia, but do you not agree that Skyward Sword is the most linear 3D Zelda to date? Do you not agree that Prime 3 and Other M were more linear than prime 1, 2, and Super (and all the others)? There is no denying this. This is a fact. Is it really so unreasonable for me to want them to go back to being exploration based?
I am not a fanboy. I am not a hate. I am not blinded by nostalgia. I am optomistically cautious of Nintendo's future.
NaveedLife
If you keep on playing the games and directly comparing them to past entries like it's some sort of exam it's going to taint your experience
And nostalgia does have a role in this. Every human being feels it even if it's in the back of your minds
"I'm not denying that those games were different design wise but that's besides the point."
How the heck is that besides the point? Should I not be dissapointed by Metal Gear Rising? Should I not be dissapointed by Tales of Symphonia 2 ? Should I not be dissapointed by Final Fantasy XIII?
What you are saying is it is unreasonable for fans of series to be dissapointed when the devs change the core of the games design. How dare I expect series to stay true to their roots! :P
it depends, if they change things up while still maintain core gameplay conventions you can't really blame them for trying to spice things up.I mean people constantly give nintendo sh*t for rehashing NSMB but as soon as they try something new with paper mario sticker star they're up in arms
"baww where's my partners"
"baww where's my exp"
"Baww where's my badges"
[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]
[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]:I'm not denying that those games were different design wise but that's besides the point.
If you keep on playing the games and directly comparing them to past entries like it's some sort of exam it's going to taint your experience
And nostalgia does have a role in this. Every human being feels it even if it's in the back of your minds
Shinobishyguy
"I'm not denying that those games were different design wise but that's besides the point."
How the heck is that besides the point? Should I not be dissapointed by Metal Gear Rising? Should I not be dissapointed by Tales of Symphonia 2 ? Should I not be dissapointed by Final Fantasy XIII?
What you are saying is it is unreasonable for fans of series to be dissapointed when the devs change the core of the games design. How dare I expect series to stay true to their roots! :P
it depends, if they change things up while still maintain core gameplay conventions you can't really blame them for trying to spice things up.I mean people constantly give nintendo sh*t for rehashing NSMB but as soon as they try something new with paper mario sticker star they're up in arms
"baww where's my partners"
"baww where's my exp"
"Baww where's my badges"
Did Metroid and Zelda NES (and future adaptions) NOT revolve around exploration in an open world? That IS their core gameplay design.
As for them changing things. I am scared for Sticker Star. It could be awesome, and I will wait and see. But while the ideas they have in place are cool, they stripped it down quite a bit too (from what I can tell). They took out the interconnected world, partners, badges, experience, and permanent upgrades and gave us a more level based RPG with stickers that you get and use, then are gone. Again, I don't know enough abotu the game to judge yet, but please tell me how this should not upset fans? Why not make the game more complex and add to it, rather than taking away all of what makes it so great to begin with?
I cannot find the quote right now, but as Reggie said himself at E3 in regards to Mario Kart 7. We want the same thing we have come to love, but with new stuff. With a twist, while retaining the core of the game. Meaning we want it to be expanded upon and improved, not stripped down for the masses!
it depends, if they change things up while still maintain core gameplay conventions you can't really blame them for trying to spice things up.[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]
[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]
"I'm not denying that those games were different design wise but that's besides the point."
How the heck is that besides the point? Should I not be dissapointed by Metal Gear Rising? Should I not be dissapointed by Tales of Symphonia 2 ? Should I not be dissapointed by Final Fantasy XIII?
What you are saying is it is unreasonable for fans of series to be dissapointed when the devs change the core of the games design. How dare I expect series to stay true to their roots! :P
NaveedLife
I mean people constantly give nintendo sh*t for rehashing NSMB but as soon as they try something new with paper mario sticker star they're up in arms
"baww where's my partners"
"baww where's my exp"
"Baww where's my badges"
Did Metroid and Zelda NES (and future adaptions) NOT revolve around exploration in an open world? That IS their core gameplay design.
As for them changing things. I am scared for Sticker Star. It could be awesome, and I will wait and see. But while the ideas they have in place are cool, they stripped it down quite a bit too (from what I can tell). They took out the interconnected world, partners, badges, experience, and permanent upgrades and gave us a more level based RPG with stickers that you get and use, then are gone. Again, I don't know enough abotu the game to judge yet, but please tell me how this should not upset fans? Why not make the game more complex and add to it, rather than taking away all of what makes it so great to begin with?
I cannot find the quote right now, but as Reggie said himself at E3 in regards to Mario Kart 7. We want the same thing we have come to love, but with new stuff. With a twist, while retaining the core of the game. Meaning we want it to be expanded upon and improved, not stripped down for the masses!
paper mario does have permanent health and album upgrades. You get them by either finding them or doing sidequests, it's the stickers that are temporary. You have to make sure that you have enough and spend them wisely. Same with coins.stickers can deal damage to multiple enemies so you also factor that in as well, it really adds a new layer of strategy.
But ofcourse people don't take this in to account and we get alot of whiners accusing them of killing the franchise simply because it isn't a 1:1 clone of the thousand year door
[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]
[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]it depends, if they change things up while still maintain core gameplay conventions you can't really blame them for trying to spice things up.
I mean people constantly give nintendo sh*t for rehashing NSMB but as soon as they try something new with paper mario sticker star they're up in arms
"baww where's my partners"
"baww where's my exp"
"Baww where's my badges"
Shinobishyguy
Did Metroid and Zelda NES (and future adaptions) NOT revolve around exploration in an open world? That IS their core gameplay design.
As for them changing things. I am scared for Sticker Star. It could be awesome, and I will wait and see. But while the ideas they have in place are cool, they stripped it down quite a bit too (from what I can tell). They took out the interconnected world, partners, badges, experience, and permanent upgrades and gave us a more level based RPG with stickers that you get and use, then are gone. Again, I don't know enough abotu the game to judge yet, but please tell me how this should not upset fans? Why not make the game more complex and add to it, rather than taking away all of what makes it so great to begin with?
I cannot find the quote right now, but as Reggie said himself at E3 in regards to Mario Kart 7. We want the same thing we have come to love, but with new stuff. With a twist, while retaining the core of the game. Meaning we want it to be expanded upon and improved, not stripped down for the masses!
paper mario does have permanent health and album upgrades. You get them by either finding them or doing sidequests, it's the stickers that are temporary. You have to make sure that you have enough and spend them wisely. Same with coins.Also of the stickers can deal damage to multiple enemies so you also factor that in as well, it really adds a new layer of strategy.
But ofcourse people don't take this in to account and we get alot of whiners accusing them of killing the franchise simply because it isn't a 1:1 clone of the thousand year door
Of course Sticker Star is not out and I will not pass judgement yet, but I don't like what I am hearing. Ultimately it comes down to opinion. I see how the strategic element is there and that does excite me to some extent. But with that said, aside from stories, one of the BIG reasons I play RPG's is because I really enjoy obtaining those godly items and exploring for each little thing. I cannot imagine playing a game like Tales of Symphonia and getting a weapon that breaks after use. Thats not fun. Have the stickers and all, but why do we need to take away the permanence of becoming awesome? Now it just seems like a gold farming game. If you have deep pockets, you can buy good stickers. If you have good stickers, you win. I know I will get a godly sticker and never use it because I will be saving it for that special time.
Who here agrees? Again, I am reserving judgement and in some ways it sounds good, but why not do what they are doing AND have partners? Why not do what they are doing AND have some permanent gear to find or something? It just feels like it has been simplified in every regard, aside from combat, which is never really the reason I play Paper mario, despite it being very good combat.
PS - they completely alienate fans with Super Paper Mario, know that they want a true RPG, then change it completely when they bring it back? Change can be made without ripping apart what makes the game so good to begin with.
paper mario does have permanent health and album upgrades. You get them by either finding them or doing sidequests, it's the stickers that are temporary. You have to make sure that you have enough and spend them wisely. Same with coins.[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]
[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]
Did Metroid and Zelda NES (and future adaptions) NOT revolve around exploration in an open world? That IS their core gameplay design.
As for them changing things. I am scared for Sticker Star. It could be awesome, and I will wait and see. But while the ideas they have in place are cool, they stripped it down quite a bit too (from what I can tell). They took out the interconnected world, partners, badges, experience, and permanent upgrades and gave us a more level based RPG with stickers that you get and use, then are gone. Again, I don't know enough abotu the game to judge yet, but please tell me how this should not upset fans? Why not make the game more complex and add to it, rather than taking away all of what makes it so great to begin with?
I cannot find the quote right now, but as Reggie said himself at E3 in regards to Mario Kart 7. We want the same thing we have come to love, but with new stuff. With a twist, while retaining the core of the game. Meaning we want it to be expanded upon and improved, not stripped down for the masses!
NaveedLife
Also of the stickers can deal damage to multiple enemies so you also factor that in as well, it really adds a new layer of strategy.
But ofcourse people don't take this in to account and we get alot of whiners accusing them of killing the franchise simply because it isn't a 1:1 clone of the thousand year door
Of course Sticker Star is not out and I will not pass judgement yet, but I don't like what I am hearing. Ultimately it comes down to opinion. I see how the strategic element is there and that does excite me to some extent. But with that said, aside from stories, one of the BIG reasons I play RPG's is because I really enjoy obtaining those godly items and exploring for each little thing. I cannot imagine playing a game like Tales of Symphonia and getting a weapon that breaks after use. Thats not fun. Have the stickers and all, but why do we need to take away the permanence of becoming awesome? Now it just seems like a gold farming game. If you have deep pockets, you can buy good stickers. If you have good stickers, you win. I know I will get a godly sticker and never use it because I will be saving it for that special time.
Who here agrees? Again, I am reserving judgement and in some ways it sounds good, but why not do what they are doing AND have partners? Why not do what they are doing AND have some permanent gear to find or something? It just feels like it has been simplified in every regard, aside from combat, which is never really the reason I play Paper mario, despite it being very good combat.
PS - they completely alienate fans with Super Paper Mario, know that they want a true RPG, then change it completely when they bring it back? Change can be made without ripping apart what makes the game so good to begin with.
You're still going to be solving puzzles, you're still going to have the same turn based combat the first 2 games were known for and all that typical mario rpg stuff. It's just the way you go about doing it that has changed.[QUOTE="NaveedLife"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] paper mario does have permanent health and album upgrades. You get them by either finding them or doing sidequests, it's the stickers that are temporary. You have to make sure that you have enough and spend them wisely. Same with coins.
Also of the stickers can deal damage to multiple enemies so you also factor that in as well, it really adds a new layer of strategy.
But ofcourse people don't take this in to account and we get alot of whiners accusing them of killing the franchise simply because it isn't a 1:1 clone of the thousand year door
Shinobishyguy
Of course Sticker Star is not out and I will not pass judgement yet, but I don't like what I am hearing. Ultimately it comes down to opinion. I see how the strategic element is there and that does excite me to some extent. But with that said, aside from stories, one of the BIG reasons I play RPG's is because I really enjoy obtaining those godly items and exploring for each little thing. I cannot imagine playing a game like Tales of Symphonia and getting a weapon that breaks after use. Thats not fun. Have the stickers and all, but why do we need to take away the permanence of becoming awesome? Now it just seems like a gold farming game. If you have deep pockets, you can buy good stickers. If you have good stickers, you win. I know I will get a godly sticker and never use it because I will be saving it for that special time.
Who here agrees? Again, I am reserving judgement and in some ways it sounds good, but why not do what they are doing AND have partners? Why not do what they are doing AND have some permanent gear to find or something? It just feels like it has been simplified in every regard, aside from combat, which is never really the reason I play Paper mario, despite it being very good combat.
PS - they completely alienate fans with Super Paper Mario, know that they want a true RPG, then change it completely when they bring it back? Change can be made without ripping apart what makes the game so good to begin with.
You're still going to be solving puzzles, you're still going to have the same turn based combat the first 2 games were known for and all that typical mario rpg stuff. It's just the way you go about doing it that has changed. different=/= stripped downHow is taking out a connected world, experience, badges, items, and partners, then adding stickers and album upgrades not stripping it down? I don't get that.
You're still going to be solving puzzles, you're still going to have the same turn based combat the first 2 games were known for and all that typical mario rpg stuff. It's just the way you go about doing it that has changed. different=/= stripped down[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="NaveedLife"]
Of course Sticker Star is not out and I will not pass judgement yet, but I don't like what I am hearing. Ultimately it comes down to opinion. I see how the strategic element is there and that does excite me to some extent. But with that said, aside from stories, one of the BIG reasons I play RPG's is because I really enjoy obtaining those godly items and exploring for each little thing. I cannot imagine playing a game like Tales of Symphonia and getting a weapon that breaks after use. Thats not fun. Have the stickers and all, but why do we need to take away the permanence of becoming awesome? Now it just seems like a gold farming game. If you have deep pockets, you can buy good stickers. If you have good stickers, you win. I know I will get a godly sticker and never use it because I will be saving it for that special time.
Who here agrees? Again, I am reserving judgement and in some ways it sounds good, but why not do what they are doing AND have partners? Why not do what they are doing AND have some permanent gear to find or something? It just feels like it has been simplified in every regard, aside from combat, which is never really the reason I play Paper mario, despite it being very good combat.
PS - they completely alienate fans with Super Paper Mario, know that they want a true RPG, then change it completely when they bring it back? Change can be made without ripping apart what makes the game so good to begin with.
NaveedLife
How is taking out a connected world, experience, badges, items, and partners, then adding stickers and album upgrades not stripping it down? I don't get that.
All the areas in the game have about the same amount of exploration and puzzle solving as you'd find in any other paper mario, the only difference is you get to them via the world map rather than using a warp pipe.You'll even find alternate routes and stuff. Although you might not be able to progress in them till you find a certain item
Outside of battles partners were used for puzzle solving. In this one it's done with stickers,( placing them in certain areas to activate things and such)
[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]
[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] You're still going to be solving puzzles, you're still going to have the same turn based combat the first 2 games were known for and all that typical mario rpg stuff. It's just the way you go about doing it that has changed. different=/= stripped downShinobishyguy
How is taking out a connected world, experience, badges, items, and partners, then adding stickers and album upgrades not stripping it down? I don't get that.
All the areas in the game have about the same amount of exploration and puzzle solving as you'd find in any other paper mario, the only difference is you get to them via the world map rather than using a warp pipe.You'll even find alternate routes and stuff. Although you might not be able to progress in them till you find a certain item
Outside of battles partners were used for puzzle solving In this one it's done with stickers,( placing them in certain areas to activate things and such)
I still stand that it lacks any interesting upgrades taht will motivate me to play and explore. Do we know everything yet? Maybe there is some permanent item upgrades and such? I sure hope so. Could be amazing if so.
All the areas in the game have about the same amount of exploration and puzzle solving as you'd find in any other paper mario, the only difference is you get to them via the world map rather than using a warp pipe.[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]
[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]
How is taking out a connected world, experience, badges, items, and partners, then adding stickers and album upgrades not stripping it down? I don't get that.
NaveedLife
You'll even find alternate routes and stuff. Although you might not be able to progress in them till you find a certain item
Outside of battles partners were used for puzzle solving In this one it's done with stickers,( placing them in certain areas to activate things and such)
I still stand that it lacks any interesting upgrades taht will motivate me to play and explore. Do we know everything yet? Maybe there is some permanent item upgrades and such? I sure hope so. Could be amazing if so.
they way I see it, album upgrades are essentially like upgrading your FP meter in that It determines the amount of actions you can perform.[QUOTE="NaveedLife"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] All the areas in the game have about the same amount of exploration and puzzle solving as you'd find in any other paper mario, the only difference is you get to them via the world map rather than using a warp pipe.
You'll even find alternate routes and stuff. Although you might not be able to progress in them till you find a certain item
Outside of battles partners were used for puzzle solving In this one it's done with stickers,( placing them in certain areas to activate things and such)
Shinobishyguy
I still stand that it lacks any interesting upgrades taht will motivate me to play and explore. Do we know everything yet? Maybe there is some permanent item upgrades and such? I sure hope so. Could be amazing if so.
they way I see it, album upgrades are essentially like upgrading your FP meter in that It determines the amount of actions you can perform.I mean upgrades beyond numbers. Old ones have experience, this has quests that give you more health and bigger albums. Both are nice, but that is where it stops with Sticker Star. there are no badges, items, partners, or recipes it seems. That troubles me.
Yes I disagree, Metroid and Zelda(outside of the original which even itself had some) particularly since ALTTP, have always been linear. The game is designed to be beat in the order of X Y and Z, glitches that let you sequence break does not change that fact. No SS is not the most linear Zelda to date, it simply lacked a connected overworld. Its no different than the set path you were put on in all the other Zelda's. Could SS have used more side content? Yes. Is it any more of a designed path than he other Zelda's?No. The same goes for Metroid, The game is designed Ice Beam, Screwball, Gravity Suit, not get them in any order you want. So yes it is unreasonable for you to go back to something, they've never been. The only difference between games back then and games now, is they spell out how directed games are now.lol you think im so blinded by nostalgia, but do you not agree that Skyward Sword is the most linear 3D Zelda to date? Do you not agree that Prime 3 and Other M were more linear than prime 1, 2, and Super (and all the others)? There is no denying this. This is a fact. Is it really so unreasonable for me to want them to go back to being exploration based?.
NaveedLife
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