Mario Kart 8 first update details

#1 Edited by trugs26 (5388 posts) -

This is great news. Japan and the US are getting the first Mario Kart 8 update on August 27th. The rest of us will probably get it at a similar date.

  • map display on the TV screen
  • 3 free Mercedes-Benz karts: GLA, W25 Silver Arrow, 300 SL Roadster
  • records screen w/ total coins, online win-loss record, character selection rates, etc.
  • improved online stability
  • default menu selection following GP changing to next race
  • last used kart customization added to save
  • edit others' highlights

Sources:

==============================================

I'm really glad Nintendo are fixing some of those small details (menu layout, save last kart, more general stats, on screen map). Looks like they are listening, and I hope they continue to update the game. Also digging the karts.

#2 Posted by Star0 (443 posts) -

Small fixes don't make up for huge flaws.

#3 Edited by yokofox33 (29516 posts) -

I think it was ridiculous that some of these updates weren't in the original product. I mean, no maps and no race date? Are you serious? At least it's finally being resolved though.

Our update better soon follow Japan's update though...

#4 Posted by trugs26 (5388 posts) -

@yokofox33: Well it did have a map, just badly implemented (it appeared on the gamepad instead of the TV, which is impossible to look at in a frantic game like Mario Kart 8). Also, what do you mean by "no race date"? But I agree in general, it's annoying that these things weren't in game in the first place. But I appreciate that they're putting the time in to acknowledge these issues and fix them. I prefer to look at this more positively. Here's hoping they continue to fix the other issues though.

@Star0: Huge flaws? I'm a big critic of Mario Kart 8, and even I acknowledge that MK8 consists of many small issues, not "huge" issues.

#5 Posted by YearoftheSnake5 (7313 posts) -

Now we need some Battle Mode content. Some arenas to fight in would be nice.

#6 Edited by trugs26 (5388 posts) -

@YearoftheSnake5 said:

Now we need some Battle Mode content. Some arenas to fight in would be nice.

Definitely agree. I hope the next update is more to do with tracks at least anyway. Personally I'd prefer normal racing tracks, but I would welcome battle arenas too. Also one more update to fix some other minor problems too.

#7 Posted by Star0 (443 posts) -

@trugs26: Anemic number of tracks + barebones unrewarding online = huge flaws

#8 Edited by trugs26 (5388 posts) -

@Star0 said:

@trugs26: Anemic number of tracks + barebones unrewarding online = huge flaws

I guess it's a matter of perspective, but I completely disagree.

The number of tracks is standard in the franchise, and has more than other racers like Sonic Racing (around 21 tracks) and LBP Karting (mostly just user created with a few built in) and ModNation Racers (31 tracks). Though the last two contain track editors which is another story, and LBP Karting has its own issues with a bad interface for editing - again, another story. So overall, I wouldn't call this a negative, it seems very standard (or possibly above average), and definitely not a "huge floor".

In regards to barebones unrewarding online, sure there aren't many features. But the fact that online is a ton of fun negates the lack of features as a "huge flaw". I'd call the set of features to add are a bunch of minor flaws. Yes it should get these features, but without it, it's not like it's breaking the game or making the game not fun.

#9 Posted by Star0 (443 posts) -

@trugs26: I'm not going to change my opinion just because you disgaree. The game is barebones. My taste differs from you.

#10 Posted by Raptor_Herc (208 posts) -
@Star0 said:

@trugs26: I'm not going to change my opinion just because you disgaree. The game is barebones. My taste differs from you.

I doubt he was trying to force you to change your opinion in the first place.

Btw, how many tracks do you think are needed to make the game less "barebones"?

I have yet to personally play the game for an extended period of time and will not likely get the game as I already have Mario Kart 7, so I sadly cannot give my take on the game.

#11 Edited by Sphensen (742 posts) -

The patch pretty much fixes my issues with the Game. Now if we can get some HD MK64 battle arena DLC

#12 Edited by yokofox33 (29516 posts) -
#13 Posted by starwolf474 (605 posts) -

@trugs26 said:

@Star0: Huge flaws? I'm a big critic of Mario Kart 8, and even I acknowledge that MK8 consists of many small issues, not "huge" issues.

I would consider the crappy battle mode to be a huge flaw since battle mode is half of Mario Kart. They really need to release some real battle arenas as DLC. It doesn't even have to be new battle arenas; I would be happy if they just release some classic battle arenas like Block Fort and Double Deck.

#14 Posted by trugs26 (5388 posts) -

@trugs26 said:

@Star0: Huge flaws? I'm a big critic of Mario Kart 8, and even I acknowledge that MK8 consists of many small issues, not "huge" issues.

I would consider the crappy battle mode to be a huge flaw since battle mode is half of Mario Kart. They really need to release some real battle arenas as DLC. It doesn't even have to be new battle arenas; I would be happy if they just release some classic battle arenas like Block Fort and Double Deck.

Yeah true, I'll accept that as a huge flaw. I personally don't care for battle mode, but I appreciate that other people do, and I can understand how this is a huge flaw for that mode. For the rest of the game though, I don't think there are huge flaws.

#15 Edited by ANIMEguy10034 (4734 posts) -
  • Added new feature that can display the course map on the TV screen.
  • Changed default choice to "Next Race" instead of "View highlight" in the menu that appears after the race of the Grand Prix.

I really appreciate these two fixes.

#16 Edited by nini200 (9690 posts) -

Honestly I just think this is a Mercedes promo mainly and not an actual Nintendo DLC update for this game. It's just not enough added although I can't really complain as it's all free. I just hope the next update includes some real Mario Kart additions. Keep the Mercedes Karts Balanced also.

A few things that need to be addressed:

1. Battle Mode Specific arenas

2. Removal of Fire Hopping Glitch

3. Addition of Stages/Cars/Characters/Items

4. Coins appear rate dropped some when item box is acquired.

5. Ability to delete, edit and modify tournaments.

#17 Edited by trugs26 (5388 posts) -

@nini200 said:

2. Removal of Fire Hopping Glitch

No, that's the worst thing you could do to the game. MK8 is one of the least skillful Mario Kart's. Once Fire Hopping was found, it added a slight skill-gap. This is a technical move that can actually be difficult to pull off in online races (it can cause you to go off course). If you pull it off, you deserve to be slightly further ahead.

Note that in previous Mario Kart games, there have been many different things you could do to improve your performance. For example, in MK7, if you drifted a certain way, and released your drift during a certain animation, you maintain your top speed. Not many people know about this, and the media didn't report it, because it isn't as obvious or "catchy" as "fire hopping". The fact of the matter is that these things exist in all of these games, and are good for those who want to be a more skillful player.This is simply adding to the skill gap. If a skill-gap doesn't exist then Mario Kart feels really pointless to a lot of players. For those more casual, you can still have fun online because these skillful things only add a minor amount, and are negated a lot by the hectic items.

I agree with the rest of your points though. Personally I hope they fix the item balance. The algorithm used in the game is a bit whack.

#18 Posted by DaBrainz (7635 posts) -

oh this is great. Its like they listened to us.

#19 Edited by Jaysonguy (37630 posts) -

@trugs26 said:

@nini200 said:

2. Removal of Fire Hopping Glitch

No, that's the worst thing you could do to the game. MK8 is one of the least skillful Mario Kart's. Once Fire Hopping was found, it added a slight skill-gap. This is a technical move that can actually be difficult to pull off in online races (it can cause you to go off course). If you pull it off, you deserve to be slightly further ahead.

You lost your right to participate in this conversation

The game is broken, if you think that broken is a good thing you're done

#20 Edited by trugs26 (5388 posts) -
@Jaysonguy said:

@trugs26 said:

@nini200 said:

2. Removal of Fire Hopping Glitch

No, that's the worst thing you could do to the game. MK8 is one of the least skillful Mario Kart's. Once Fire Hopping was found, it added a slight skill-gap. This is a technical move that can actually be difficult to pull off in online races (it can cause you to go off course). If you pull it off, you deserve to be slightly further ahead.

You lost your right to participate in this conversation

The game is broken, if you think that broken is a good thing you're done

Please enlighten me on how exactly the game is "broken"? Last I checked, people are still playing the game online. Even if you're concerned about people breaching the skill gap, there is match making anyway. Furthermore, I've raced a lot of highly ranked VR players (7 to 9k) and they still didn't fire hop. Most people in this game don't fire hop, and the ones that try to fire hop usually don't fire hop effectively. This is not like snaking. This is a difficult trick to pull off, especially online where there is a hectic environment. And even if you do pull it off, you get very little gain online. So it's useful and it's not an "auto-win" button either. Again, tell me exactly how it "breaks" a functioning and fun game that's still being played? And what's wrong with adding a little skill to the game?

#21 Posted by Chozofication (2809 posts) -

@trugs26 said:
@Jaysonguy said:

@trugs26 said:

@nini200 said:

2. Removal of Fire Hopping Glitch

No, that's the worst thing you could do to the game. MK8 is one of the least skillful Mario Kart's. Once Fire Hopping was found, it added a slight skill-gap. This is a technical move that can actually be difficult to pull off in online races (it can cause you to go off course). If you pull it off, you deserve to be slightly further ahead.

You lost your right to participate in this conversation

The game is broken, if you think that broken is a good thing you're done

Please enlighten me on how exactly the game is "broken"? Last I checked, people are still playing the game online. Even if you're concerned about people breaching the skill gap, there is match making anyway. Furthermore, I've raced a lot of highly ranked VR players (7 to 9k) and they still didn't fire hop. Most people in this game don't fire hop, and the ones that try to fire hop usually don't fire hop effectively. This is not like snaking. This is a difficult trick to pull off, especially online where there is a hectic environment. And even if you do pull it off, you get very little gain online. So it's useful and it's not an "auto-win" button either. Again, tell me exactly how it "breaks" a functioning and fun game that's still being played?

Yeah fire hopping usually is detrimental. I think it's pretty ridiculous actually, I couldn't enjoy the game if I had to be doing it all the time.

I've beaten many people who do it in the 5 - 7000's and up as well.

Using a mushroom while gliding is 1000 times more beneficial than fire hopping..

#22 Posted by trugs26 (5388 posts) -

@Chozofication: Not sure where you stand on it being removed or not. Seems like you don't like doing it but don't mind others that do since you can still beat them? Or you'd prefer them remove it completely?

#23 Posted by Chozofication (2809 posts) -

@trugs26 said:

@Chozofication: Not sure where you stand on it being removed or not. Seems like you don't like doing it but don't mind others that do since you can still beat them? Or you'd prefer them remove it completely?

They should leave it in, it doesn't matter.

I don't even think it's possible for them to fix it since it isn't a glitch, it's a mechanic so that you get get more of a boost from a mushroom whenever you're gliding in the air, since you don't have tire traction slowing your kart down.

#24 Edited by trugs26 (5388 posts) -

@trugs26 said:

@Chozofication: Not sure where you stand on it being removed or not. Seems like you don't like doing it but don't mind others that do since you can still beat them? Or you'd prefer them remove it completely?

They should leave it in, it doesn't matter.

I don't even think it's possible for them to fix it since it isn't a glitch, it's a mechanic so that you get get more of a boost from a mushroom whenever you're gliding in the air, since you don't have tire traction slowing your kart down.

Not sure if I'm on the same page as you. Fire hopping is something you do after a drift, not to do with a mushroom boost or gliding.

#25 Posted by Chozofication (2809 posts) -

@trugs26 said:

@Chozofication said:

@trugs26 said:

@Chozofication: Not sure where you stand on it being removed or not. Seems like you don't like doing it but don't mind others that do since you can still beat them? Or you'd prefer them remove it completely?

They should leave it in, it doesn't matter.

I don't even think it's possible for them to fix it since it isn't a glitch, it's a mechanic so that you get get more of a boost from a mushroom whenever you're gliding in the air, since you don't have tire traction slowing your kart down.

Not sure if I'm on the same page as you. Fire hopping is something you do after a drift, not to do with a mushroom boost or gliding.

I know.

You haven't noticed you go faster with boosts while gliding than when you're driving? That's the mechanic that makes fire hopping possible, any time you're in the air you get more out of boosts than on the ground. That's why fire hopping is a thing, to hop off the ground in short bursts and get a minute boost of speed from *any* boost.

So they couldn't get rid of fire hopping even if they wanted to, it's an exploit of that mechanic I explained, not a glitch.

But anyways, it's really not a big deal. If people want to get all excessive and fire hop in a casual game like mario kart, go for it, but it doesn't even remotely make it unfair for anyone who doesn't fire hop.

#26 Posted by trugs26 (5388 posts) -

@trugs26 said:

@Chozofication said:

@trugs26 said:

@Chozofication: Not sure where you stand on it being removed or not. Seems like you don't like doing it but don't mind others that do since you can still beat them? Or you'd prefer them remove it completely?

They should leave it in, it doesn't matter.

I don't even think it's possible for them to fix it since it isn't a glitch, it's a mechanic so that you get get more of a boost from a mushroom whenever you're gliding in the air, since you don't have tire traction slowing your kart down.

Not sure if I'm on the same page as you. Fire hopping is something you do after a drift, not to do with a mushroom boost or gliding.

I know.

You haven't noticed you go faster with boosts while gliding than when you're driving? That's the mechanic that makes fire hopping possible, any time you're in the air you get more out of boosts than on the ground. That's why fire hopping is a thing, to hop off the ground in short bursts and get a minute boost of speed from *any* boost.

So they couldn't get rid of fire hopping even if they wanted to, it's an exploit of that mechanic I explained, not a glitch.

But anyways, it's really not a big deal. If people want to get all excessive and fire hop in a casual game like mario kart, go for it, but it doesn't even remotely make it unfair for anyone who doesn't fire hop.

Oh right, I see what you're saying now.

#27 Edited by KBFloYd (13415 posts) -

awesome changes!

remember people this is just a patch and some minor DLC......when we get some real DLC hopefully it will be more charcaters or tracks.

#28 Posted by KBFloYd (13415 posts) -

you know what i want for the next patch? the ability to save more than just 6 races to my favorites.

only 6 races nintendo? r u kidding me...people will be playing this for years and you can only save 6 games?

#29 Posted by ZyroXZ2 (73 posts) -

@KBFloYd said:

you know what i want for the next patch? the ability to save more than just 6 races to my favorites.

only 6 races nintendo? r u kidding me...people will be playing this for years and you can only save 6 games?

Technically, since it keeps a running log of your last 12 races, it's really not that bad...

The favorites is more so that you can save it to upload to MKTV/YouTube later, and then delete it once you've done your deed!

#30 Edited by KBFloYd (13415 posts) -

looks like the racing score limit has also been raised past 9999.

keep playing veterans ;)

#31 Posted by Solaryellow (477 posts) -

Using even the most rudimentary definition of the word "broken", MK8 would need to be unplayable but anyone who has played it knows it is fully functioning.

#32 Edited by Glutenbob (249 posts) -

They should have fixed this garbage item distribution balance. This game could have been so good, if they just kept MKWii's balance.

As of now the item balance ruins the game. Its essentially garbage.

#33 Posted by KBFloYd (13415 posts) -

They should have fixed this garbage item distribution balance. This game could have been so good, if they just kept MKWii's balance.

As of now the item balance ruins the game. Its essentially garbage.

what do you mean? what items are you not getting?

also..

i noticed something else they did in the patch...if you get 6th place it counts as a win now....before it was only up to 3rd or 4th..

maybe those win lose ratios were always negative so they made winning more frequent.

#34 Posted by trugs26 (5388 posts) -

@KBFloYd said:

@Glutenbob said:

They should have fixed this garbage item distribution balance. This game could have been so good, if they just kept MKWii's balance.

As of now the item balance ruins the game. Its essentially garbage.

what do you mean? what items are you not getting?

also..

i noticed something else they did in the patch...if you get 6th place it counts as a win now....before it was only up to 3rd or 4th..

maybe those win lose ratios were always negative so they made winning more frequent.

I think it's not as simple as that... Not sure yet, but I think there's a formula based on your VR rating and the opponents that distributes your win/loss. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

#35 Edited by KBFloYd (13415 posts) -

@trugs26 said:

@KBFloYd said:

@Glutenbob said:

They should have fixed this garbage item distribution balance. This game could have been so good, if they just kept MKWii's balance.

As of now the item balance ruins the game. Its essentially garbage.

what do you mean? what items are you not getting?

also..

i noticed something else they did in the patch...if you get 6th place it counts as a win now....before it was only up to 3rd or 4th..

maybe those win lose ratios were always negative so they made winning more frequent.

I think it's not as simple as that... Not sure yet, but I think there's a formula based on your VR rating and the opponents that distributes your win/loss. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

well i got 6th place and i lost 6 points...so i didnt win at all yet my character was pumping his fist in a winning motion. so i think it counted as a win....it didnt use to happen...if i got 5th or 6th before his head would be down in shame.

#36 Posted by trugs26 (5388 posts) -

@KBFloYd said:

@trugs26 said:

@KBFloYd said:

@Glutenbob said:

They should have fixed this garbage item distribution balance. This game could have been so good, if they just kept MKWii's balance.

As of now the item balance ruins the game. Its essentially garbage.

what do you mean? what items are you not getting?

also..

i noticed something else they did in the patch...if you get 6th place it counts as a win now....before it was only up to 3rd or 4th..

maybe those win lose ratios were always negative so they made winning more frequent.

I think it's not as simple as that... Not sure yet, but I think there's a formula based on your VR rating and the opponents that distributes your win/loss. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

well i got 6th place and i lost 6 points...so i didnt win at all yet my character was pumping his fist in a winning motion. so i think it counted as a win....it didnt use to happen...if i got 5th or 6th before his head would be down in shame.

You actually don't just get a single win or a loss point added to your score. In a single race, you can get +3 wins added, and +6 losses added, just as an example. Which all depends on your VR score and your opponents VR. In your circumstance, 6th may have counted as (for example) +3 wins and +1 loss, but it's not guaranteed that 6th will always distribute more wins.

I'm still experimenting to figure out the formula.