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#1 Posted by TankZorz (1836 posts) -

I've seen a lot of posts by people who obviously think the DSi isn't the next level of the DS.

The hardware upgrades and new features make it clear to me that this is the DS2. If Nintendo had merely added a couple features and made it slimmer I could understand why people would not consider this the DS2. The bigger screens, faster processors, and all the other new features mean that we will see new and more impressive games that would not have a chance of working on the DS and DSL. There is already a new Warioware download available for the DSi in Japan that demonstrates one of the many possible uses of the camera.

With every generation of Nintendo handheld some backwards compatibility is lost. The DSi no longer supports the GBA just as the original DS didn't support GB and GBC games.

#2 Posted by Resimaniac (683 posts) -

I've seen a lot of posts by people who obviously think the DSi isn't the next level of the DS.

The hardware upgrades and new features make it clear to me that this is the DS2. If Nintendo had merely added a couple features and made it slimmer I could understand why people would not consider this the DS2. The bigger screens, faster processors, and all the other new features mean that we will see new and more impressive games that would not have a chance of working on the DS and DSL. There is already a new Warioware download available for the DSi in Japan that demonstrates one of the many possible uses of the camera.

With every generation of Nintendo handheld some backwards compatibility is lost. The DSi no longer supports the GBA just as the original DS didn't support GB and GBC games.

TankZorz
How DSi is DS 2 when their games are the same? Is Gameboy Advance able to play DS games? NO. DSi its the next level of DS (the 3rd) but its not a DS2... We don't know when DS2 is coming out...
#3 Posted by Velocitas8 (10748 posts) -

No, it's essentially the same system. The faster processor is to accommodate the system's new features (camera, media playback.)

It's hardly a "DS2" ..the power leap isn't anywhere near significant enough to carry it very far into the future. We might see some downloadable DSi-specific games and other content, but I really don't expect that we'll see any retail DSi-specific games. Developers/publishers of such games just wouldn't have a very big install base to market their games to.

#4 Posted by Tubenz (184 posts) -
[QUOTE="TankZorz"]

I've seen a lot of posts by people who obviously think the DSi isn't the next level of the DS.

The hardware upgrades and new features make it clear to me that this is the DS2. If Nintendo had merely added a couple features and made it slimmer I could understand why people would not consider this the DS2. The bigger screens, faster processors, and all the other new features mean that we will see new and more impressive games that would not have a chance of working on the DS and DSL. There is already a new Warioware download available for the DSi in Japan that demonstrates one of the many possible uses of the camera.

With every generation of Nintendo handheld some backwards compatibility is lost. The DSi no longer supports the GBA just as the original DS didn't support GB and GBC games.

Resimaniac

How DSi is DS 2 when their games are the same? Is Gameboy Advance able to play DS games? NO. DSi its the next level of DS (the 3rd) but its not a DS2... We don't know when DS2 is coming out...

DSi will have exclusive games that DS won't play. Games that use the camera.

#5 Posted by Resimaniac (683 posts) -
[QUOTE="Resimaniac"][QUOTE="TankZorz"]

I've seen a lot of posts by people who obviously think the DSi isn't the next level of the DS.

The hardware upgrades and new features make it clear to me that this is the DS2. If Nintendo had merely added a couple features and made it slimmer I could understand why people would not consider this the DS2. The bigger screens, faster processors, and all the other new features mean that we will see new and more impressive games that would not have a chance of working on the DS and DSL. There is already a new Warioware download available for the DSi in Japan that demonstrates one of the many possible uses of the camera.

With every generation of Nintendo handheld some backwards compatibility is lost. The DSi no longer supports the GBA just as the original DS didn't support GB and GBC games.

Tubenz

How DSi is DS 2 when their games are the same? Is Gameboy Advance able to play DS games? NO. DSi its the next level of DS (the 3rd) but its not a DS2... We don't know when DS2 is coming out...

DSi will have exclusive games that DS won't play. So basically it's a new DS ( DS 2).

Do you mean DSi ware? I don't really care about it... GBA games > DSi ware (IMO) If DSi had better graphics, DSi exclusive games(I mean non downloadable) and new shape of DS it would be a DS2
#6 Posted by TankZorz (1836 posts) -
[QUOTE="Resimaniac"][QUOTE="TankZorz"]

I've seen a lot of posts by people who obviously think the DSi isn't the next level of the DS.

The hardware upgrades and new features make it clear to me that this is the DS2. If Nintendo had merely added a couple features and made it slimmer I could understand why people would not consider this the DS2. The bigger screens, faster processors, and all the other new features mean that we will see new and more impressive games that would not have a chance of working on the DS and DSL. There is already a new Warioware download available for the DSi in Japan that demonstrates one of the many possible uses of the camera.

With every generation of Nintendo handheld some backwards compatibility is lost. The DSi no longer supports the GBA just as the original DS didn't support GB and GBC games.

Tubenz

How DSi is DS 2 when their games are the same? Is Gameboy Advance able to play DS games? NO. DSi its the next level of DS (the 3rd) but its not a DS2... We don't know when DS2 is coming out...

DSi will have exclusive games that DS won't play. Games that use the camera.

Just because the DSi can play DS games doesn't mean their games are the same. They both have touch screens but the DSi is capable of playing games with improved graphics and more control options. It doesn't make sense that the faster processor will only be used to play media when it can be used to play games with better graphics.
#7 Posted by Resimaniac (683 posts) -
OK but you can't say Its a whole new DS... It's not a DS2 at all.
#8 Posted by Jaysonguy (37602 posts) -

No, not at all

The DSi doesn't have anything better then the DS. The upgrades to it's internals are only to work the add ons. What's running the games is exactly the same. They added some power to work the average camera and media player. Things everyone's phones can do better.

The games (what people's phones CANNOT beat) are the same

This isn't the DS 2, it's not even the DS one and a half

#9 Posted by TankZorz (1836 posts) -
OK but you can't say Its a whole new DS... It's not a DS2 at all.Resimaniac
Why not? At what point will the next level of DS be considered the DS2. This is not just a small change like the DSL. This is a much more dramatic change that will ultimately be able to play games with better graphics.
#11 Posted by koneki1 (110 posts) -
Although better graphics would be nice, I'm doubtful that it'll convince me to get a DSi. Games that are graphically intensive might run more smoothly, but I don't think it'll be a significant jump from what the DS already has to offer. I have a feeling that it's just gonna be like what the GBA micro was the GBA SP, and what the GBA SP was the original GBA.
#12 Posted by Raiko101 (3339 posts) -
[QUOTE="Resimaniac"][QUOTE="TankZorz"]

I've seen a lot of posts by people who obviously think the DSi isn't the next level of the DS.

The hardware upgrades and new features make it clear to me that this is the DS2. If Nintendo had merely added a couple features and made it slimmer I could understand why people would not consider this the DS2. The bigger screens, faster processors, and all the other new features mean that we will see new and more impressive games that would not have a chance of working on the DS and DSL. There is already a new Warioware download available for the DSi in Japan that demonstrates one of the many possible uses of the camera.

With every generation of Nintendo handheld some backwards compatibility is lost. The DSi no longer supports the GBA just as the original DS didn't support GB and GBC games.

Tubenz

How DSi is DS 2 when their games are the same? Is Gameboy Advance able to play DS games? NO. DSi its the next level of DS (the 3rd) but its not a DS2... We don't know when DS2 is coming out...

DSi will have exclusive games that DS won't play. Games that use the camera.

There's an external camera for the DS that plugs into the GBA port already. Came with a face training game.
#14 Posted by Head_of_games (10859 posts) -
I have to agree. New games = new handheld. Just like the GBC was a different system than the GB, the DSi is a different system than the DS. After all, all "Upgrades" have simply been changes on the outside. The DSi on the other hand has changes on the inside. Thanks for posting this.
#15 Posted by ComboTroop (197 posts) -
Its kinda the DS2 but it isn't its an DS lite but with extras, however i can see why people are saying! "This is the DS2 its real cool!" Which the DSi i have to agree looks cool but i ain't buying it cause i got my DS lite to play for a while!
#16 Posted by darth-pyschosis (9322 posts) -

No, not at all

The DSi doesn't have anything better then the DS. The upgrades to it's internals are only to work the add ons. What's running the games is exactly the same. They added some power to work the average camera and media player. Things everyone's phones can do better.

The games (what people's phones CANNOT beat) are the same

This isn't the DS 2, it's not even the DS one and a half

Jaysonguy
DSi has two nintendo IPs on it, dr.mario & warioware. having 4 times the RAM, double CPU speed, there will be many good dsi only downloadable games, alot of bad ones too, its clear this will be like apples app store, its only time b4 dsi ware gets big exclusive games like ipod has metal gear, katamari, silent hill, simcity, etc. it has new games, therefore new handheld also, im done with my gba slot, its been 5 yrs since a good GBA game came out i played, plus dsi emulation opens up BC possibilities
#17 Posted by Jaysonguy (37602 posts) -
[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

No, not at all

The DSi doesn't have anything better then the DS. The upgrades to it's internals are only to work the add ons. What's running the games is exactly the same. They added some power to work the average camera and media player. Things everyone's phones can do better.

The games (what people's phones CANNOT beat) are the same

This isn't the DS 2, it's not even the DS one and a half

darth-pyschosis

DSi has two nintendo IPs on it, dr.mario & warioware. having 4 times the RAM, double CPU speed, there will be many good dsi only downloadable games, alot of bad ones too, its clear this will be like apples app store, its only time b4 dsi ware gets big exclusive games like ipod has metal gear, katamari, silent hill, simcity, etc. it has new games, therefore new handheld also, im done with my gba slot, its been 5 yrs since a good GBA game came out i played, plus dsi emulation opens up BC possibilities

No

The "extra" in the DSi are to run the camera and the media player and to run the emulated games

There is no extra horsepower for games

Know what the DSi is? It's the Genesis when they started adding on pieces trying to make it live longer.

Plus you think that maybe NOW it'll get big exclusive games?

The DS is the best seller in gaming, whatever support it's not getting now it's not getting ever.

#18 Posted by Master-Thief-09 (2534 posts) -
Nah, it's just an upgrade. Not enough of a power change to make it a DS2. It will have exclusives games, but stuff like Wario Ware, and the downloadable stuff. Those are a different step. DS2 would have around Gamecube capabilities if you ask me.
#21 Posted by koneki1 (110 posts) -
I understand, and thanks for the warning. User-made apps like the ones for the apple iphone would be a nice possibility for the DSi.
#22 Posted by ComboTroop (197 posts) -
No problem, they have just been harsh to me in the last 2 hours, 2 punishments for jokes and showing the truth about EA Games! Man, its like the MODs will find a way to nail you down and harsh before you can say, whoops!
#23 Posted by world-ender-49 (9302 posts) -
Nintendo DSi games will come. Remeber the Game Boy Colour? When it first came out many of us assumed it wasn't going to have exclusives because it used the same size cartrige as the Gameboy but the colour did get games that didn't work in the Game Boy just like the Dsi will get Games that Won't work on the DS lite.
#24 Posted by TankZorz (1836 posts) -
It does not make sense to include all the extra power and NOT use it for games. Would you seriously buy a new video card and only use it to watch movies? That does not make sense and Nintendo is not that narrow minded.
#25 Posted by Jaysonguy (37602 posts) -

It does not make sense to include all the extra power and NOT use it for games. Would you seriously buy a new video card and only use it to watch movies? That does not make sense and Nintendo is not that narrow minded.TankZorz

It needs the extra power for the camera, media player, and the emulated games from the new download service. Are you not aware that something needs to run those too?

The games wont see a change at all

They took out the GBA slot and added a camera and media player (cell phones do it better for less) and then they added the download service

The horsepower that runs games is still the same

There will be NO change in the games, as much as you want to think differently

The DSi is the 32X, it's the last ditch attempt to continue a current platform until it's successor is released. This is just to occupy the masses
Also since the camera and the media player will be highly touted I expect a large advertising push towards very young children (age 3-10) who are unable to get other devices.

#26 Posted by TankZorz (1836 posts) -

[QUOTE="TankZorz"]It does not make sense to include all the extra power and NOT use it for games. Would you seriously buy a new video card and only use it to watch movies? That does not make sense and Nintendo is not that narrow minded.Jaysonguy

It needs the extra power for the camera, media player, and the emulated games from the new download service. Are you not aware that something needs to run those too?

The games wont see a change at all

They took out the GBA slot and added a camera and media player (cell phones do it better for less) and then they added the download service

The horsepower that runs games is still the same

There will be NO change in the games, as much as you want to think differently

The DSi is the 32X, it's the last ditch attempt to continue a current platform until it's successor is released. This is just to occupy the masses
Also since the camera and the media player will be highly touted I expect a large advertising push towards very young children (age 3-10) who are unable to get other devices.

The DSi will not need that extra processing power to run those new features at all times. It will only need that extra power to run the camera/media/emulator WHEN THEY ARE BEING USED. At all other times it can use the extra power to run games.

The processing power used to run the CURRENT games will stay the same as it has been but NEW games can be made to use the extra power now available to them.

#28 Posted by Blazingfury08 (19 posts) -

The DSI has been out in japan for a few months now.

Has there been and any exclusive retail games yet? Nope.

The dsi is NOT a ds2. Its just another hardware revision. The slightly upgrade power is probberbly to accomidate the new features. The dsi will not get its own exlcusive games in stores.

#29 Posted by ColdfireTrilogy (4911 posts) -
Yes and you have to remember a majority of the DS fanbase has a DS phat or lite ... thus any game that REQUIRES DSi features is going to sell not so well ... dont expect many publishers to put down large chunks of money for DSi only games... maybe a tacked on feature for DSi's but not game required features.
#30 Posted by xtremetcx (112 posts) -
DSi is absolutely not DS2.......
#32 Posted by Head_of_games (10859 posts) -
[QUOTE="TankZorz"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

It needs the extra power for the camera, media player, and the emulated games from the new download service. Are you not aware that something needs to run those too?

The games wont see a change at all

They took out the GBA slot and added a camera and media player (cell phones do it better for less) and then they added the download service

The horsepower that runs games is still the same

There will be NO change in the games, as much as you want to think differently

The DSi is the 32X, it's the last ditch attempt to continue a current platform until it's successor is released. This is just to occupy the masses
Also since the camera and the media player will be highly touted I expect a large advertising push towards very young children (age 3-10) who are unable to get other devices.

Redonkulous_D

The DSi will not need that extra processing power to run those new features at all times. It will only need that extra power to run the camera/media/emulator WHEN THEY ARE BEING USED. At all other times it can use the extra power to run games.

The processing power used to run the CURRENT games will stay the same as it has been but NEW games can be made to use the extra power now available to them.

I'm gonna elaborate on this. Hit ctrl+alt+delete to open the task manager on your computer. Click on processes. What you are looking at is a list of apps and functions(similar to the DSi's extra features). You can see that some of these processes have a 0, 1, or some other number depending on how much of the processors power each process is using. A "0" means that the process is not using the processor at the moment. When the CPU usage is lower, more straining processes(like a game) can be run. If all processes were using the processor at all times, the computer would freeze on startup, ergo, why the processes only draw power when necessary.

Let me relate this back to the DSi. When games are running, none of the other processes are using the processor. This extra power-and extra RAM- can be used to render objects with higher resolution textures and to render more polygons on-screen at any given time. This means reduced pixelation and smoother, more complex character models. More polys+larger textures= better graphics.

Now for the DS. Some games, when too many instances are rendered, lag occurs. This extra processing power can eliminate this lag. (Just in case that you didn't know, the DS used both of its processors to run games, one of which has been replaced by a more powerful processor. That means it has to be used for games)

So, current games WILL sea a change, and new ones will be of a higher quality.

Correct. I have to say that more processing power, a camera controller, and the ability to store data on an internal memory or SD card justifies a classification of a new system. I mean,the Game Boy Color had less than that over the original gameboy and it was called a new system.
#33 Posted by RPGfan5 (144 posts) -
Personally I think it's a waist of money to buy a DSI when I have a perfectly good DSL
#34 Posted by Nanu- (873 posts) -
[QUOTE="Redonkulous_D"][QUOTE="TankZorz"] The DSi will not need that extra processing power to run those new features at all times. It will only need that extra power to run the camera/media/emulator WHEN THEY ARE BEING USED. At all other times it can use the extra power to run games.

The processing power used to run the CURRENT games will stay the same as it has been but NEW games can be made to use the extra power now available to them.

Head_of_games

I'm gonna elaborate on this. Hit ctrl+alt+delete to open the task manager on your computer. Click on processes. What you are looking at is a list of apps and functions(similar to the DSi's extra features). You can see that some of these processes have a 0, 1, or some other number depending on how much of the processors power each process is using. A "0" means that the process is not using the processor at the moment. When the CPU usage is lower, more straining processes(like a game) can be run. If all processes were using the processor at all times, the computer would freeze on startup, ergo, why the processes only draw power when necessary.

Let me relate this back to the DSi. When games are running, none of the other processes are using the processor. This extra power-and extra RAM- can be used to render objects with higher resolution textures and to render more polygons on-screen at any given time. This means reduced pixelation and smoother, more complex character models. More polys+larger textures= better graphics.

Now for the DS. Some games, when too many instances are rendered, lag occurs. This extra processing power can eliminate this lag. (Just in case that you didn't know, the DS used both of its processors to run games, one of which has been replaced by a more powerful processor. That means it has to be used for games)

So, current games WILL sea a change, and new ones will be of a higher quality.

Correct. I have to say that more processing power, a camera controller, and the ability to store data on an internal memory or SD card justifies a classification of a new system. I mean,the Game Boy Color had less than that over the original gameboy and it was called a new system.

I dont think, with all those features, you can say its a new system. If you compare the upgrades that the DSi is having with other systems, like the N64 with the GC, you can see (really) big differences. But if you compare the DS with the DSi, there are only minor changes. I believe, Nintendo made the DSi just to win some time to release the next handheld generation.
#35 Posted by Head_of_games (10859 posts) -
[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="Redonkulous_D"]

I'm gonna elaborate on this. Hit ctrl+alt+delete to open the task manager on your computer. Click on processes. What you are looking at is a list of apps and functions(similar to the DSi's extra features). You can see that some of these processes have a 0, 1, or some other number depending on how much of the processors power each process is using. A "0" means that the process is not using the processor at the moment. When the CPU usage is lower, more straining processes(like a game) can be run. If all processes were using the processor at all times, the computer would freeze on startup, ergo, why the processes only draw power when necessary.

Let me relate this back to the DSi. When games are running, none of the other processes are using the processor. This extra power-and extra RAM- can be used to render objects with higher resolution textures and to render more polygons on-screen at any given time. This means reduced pixelation and smoother, more complex character models. More polys+larger textures= better graphics.

Now for the DS. Some games, when too many instances are rendered, lag occurs. This extra processing power can eliminate this lag. (Just in case that you didn't know, the DS used both of its processors to run games, one of which has been replaced by a more powerful processor. That means it has to be used for games)

So, current games WILL sea a change, and new ones will be of a higher quality.

Nanu-
Correct. I have to say that more processing power, a camera controller, and the ability to store data on an internal memory or SD card justifies a classification of a new system. I mean,the Game Boy Color had less than that over the original gameboy and it was called a new system.

I dont think, with all those features, you can say its a new system. If you compare the upgrades that the DSi is having with other systems, like the N64 with the GC, you can see (really) big differences. But if you compare the DS with the DSi, there are only minor changes. I believe, Nintendo made the DSi just to win some time to release the next handheld generation.

But the thing is, I don't think you can say it's simply an update like the DS lite was to the original DS. In all of Nintendos "updates" none of the systems features have been changed. Also, there where no games exclusive to the GBA: SP, GB Micro, or DS Lite. But with the DSi, quite a bit is different and there will be different games. You don't have to have an increase in graphics to be called a new system. Then again, with a new system generally the entire lay-out is changed from the previous one. Maybe we can call it a Semi-System.
#36 Posted by darth-pyschosis (9322 posts) -
[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

No, not at all

The DSi doesn't have anything better then the DS. The upgrades to it's internals are only to work the add ons. What's running the games is exactly the same. They added some power to work the average camera and media player. Things everyone's phones can do better.

The games (what people's phones CANNOT beat) are the same

This isn't the DS 2, it's not even the DS one and a half

Jaysonguy

DSi has two nintendo IPs on it, dr.mario & warioware. having 4 times the RAM, double CPU speed, there will be many good dsi only downloadable games, alot of bad ones too, its clear this will be like apples app store, its only time b4 dsi ware gets big exclusive games like ipod has metal gear, katamari, silent hill, simcity, etc. it has new games, therefore new handheld also, im done with my gba slot, its been 5 yrs since a good GBA game came out i played, plus dsi emulation opens up BC possibilities

No

The "extra" in the DSi are to run the camera and the media player and to run the emulated games

There is no extra horsepower for games

Know what the DSi is? It's the Genesis when they started adding on pieces trying to make it live longer.

Plus you think that maybe NOW it'll get big exclusive games?

The DS is the best seller in gaming, whatever support it's not getting now it's not getting ever.

it already did get big exclusive games, a new WarioWare with innovative features not on DS lite, nintendo didn't even bother making Dr.Mario for Ds lite and its already out for DSi

both have gotten positive reviews in japan, both cost no more than $8

the DSi, to run a game like the new exclusive warioware, has to use the 132mhz CPU for the top screen to in real time use the camera, and use the lesser 67mhz CPU for the touch screen to animate objects, also using the 16mb RAM.

so yes, there is already a game downloadable for the DSi, which is exclusive, that uses its extra horsepower, and couldn't be done on the DS lite

so you jasonguy, are wrong.

jasonguy don't say there isn't ANY extra horsepower for games. i think it have "there isn't any" mistaken for "developers may choose not to use possibly"

because yes, the extra horsepower is there for the camera, web browser, but for developers (who can make SO much more $ off selling their DS games on DSiware instead of at retail) its out there if they make a game for DSi ware

so yes, every developer in the world could ignore it, but you got to think in 2010 when the DSi sells like 30-40 million and DS lite owners are a thing of the past, why not?

addittionaly, if they combine this extra power with using SDHC cards for the retail games instead of the tiny 256mb (at max) game cards they use now, i'll be a happy camper. you need that bigger storage for more features

i hope nintendo's next gen handheld after DSi uses 4gb,8gb,16gb SDHC cards for the games, maybe have them be locked out or erased when put into anything other than the DS system to prevent priacy. can you imagine? in 2012 or 2013 which is when i'd guess a new ninty handheld would come out, we could have 16gb handheld games, if SDHC was used. wow

#37 Posted by Rocky32189 (8996 posts) -
No. It's just a new version of the DS. The DSi is to the DS what the GBC was to the GB and the GB Micro was to the GBA.
#38 Posted by jjtiebuckle (1856 posts) -
If the DSi had exclusive CARTRIDGE games, then it would be a DS2. The DSi does not, therefor it's not a DS2. Downloadable content doesn't count because it's just shovelware - randomness to fuel that consoles economy. Just because the iPhone has a few exclusive games, are you going to call it a new console? Of course not. Just because the DS is receiving a few extra features, should be it called a new console? Also, Nintendo wouldn't put games on SDHC cards because those small cards they use now are a lot cheaper and thus more profitable. SDHC cards hold a lot more, but they'd have to restructure the DS completely to accommodate SDHC games and when that happens, Then you can paint the town "DS2".
#39 Posted by Nanu- (873 posts) -
[QUOTE="Nanu-"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"] Correct. I have to say that more processing power, a camera controller, and the ability to store data on an internal memory or SD card justifies a classification of a new system. I mean,the Game Boy Color had less than that over the original gameboy and it was called a new system.Head_of_games
I dont think, with all those features, you can say its a new system. If you compare the upgrades that the DSi is having with other systems, like the N64 with the GC, you can see (really) big differences. But if you compare the DS with the DSi, there are only minor changes. I believe, Nintendo made the DSi just to win some time to release the next handheld generation.

But the thing is, I don't think you can say it's simply an update like the DS lite was to the original DS. In all of Nintendos "updates" none of the systems features have been changed. Also, there where no games exclusive to the GBA: SP, GB Micro, or DS Lite. But with the DSi, quite a bit is different and there will be different games. You don't have to have an increase in graphics to be called a new system. Then again, with a new system generally the entire lay-out is changed from the previous one. Maybe we can call it a Semi-System.

I believe the only exclusive games for the DSi are the downloable ones and that's because they added the DSiWare. But i agree we can call it a Semi-New System
#40 Posted by riariases (2335 posts) -
If the DSi had exclusive CARTRIDGE games, then it would be a DS2. The DSi does not, therefor it's not a DS2. Downloadable content doesn't count because it's just shovelware - randomness to fuel that consoles economy. Just because the iPhone has a few exclusive games, are you going to call it a new console? Of course not. Just because the DS is receiving a few extra features, should be it called a new console? Also, Nintendo wouldn't put games on SDHC cards because those small cards they use now are a lot cheaper and thus more profitable. SDHC cards hold a lot more, but they'd have to restructure the DS completely to accommodate SDHC games and when that happens, Then you can paint the town "DS2".jjtiebuckle
Don't be so blind. You don't know if they'll make catridges that are only usable with the DSi. They could very well just make a small shape change like they did to the GameBoy Color to make it so that the GameBoy couldn't play the GameBoy Color games. Small changes like that could easily be done. And the screen is bigger which could be used for something, not to mention the DSi has a processor of 64mb(or more, theres alot of info going around) which is even double the PSP's. The original DS and DS Lite couldn't run those games at full speed. Which means this will have to have DSi exclusive games that are incompatible with the DS or DS Lite. The Nintendo DSi therefore is a whole new system. If you disagree thats like saying because the Xbox360 can still play normal Xbox games, its not a new console. Don't be stupid. You're just too baffled to realize.
#41 Posted by cman823 (57 posts) -
the DSI should be the 3rd instalment for the DS series
#42 Posted by meiaman (3300 posts) -

Well, i'm remaining neutral on this discussion, hence i'm here to try to help people undenstand each other a bit.

I believe the center of this discussion is basically: "what you consider as a new system?"

Here are the basics:

New System: When the developer create a new design, based or not on a previous design, with the choosen specifications and features and release it at the market. The system has a new set of games, but maybe it can have backward capability.

Upgraded Version: When the developer picks a existing design, add/remove a couple of features and release it.

The DSi is still a DS, nothing more than a upgraded DS... but, it's current specifications and the DSi ware games would classify it as a new system, but it can't be classified as a new system because it's still a DS, it will be advertised as a DS and people would still see it as a DS. (DSi wsare games exist and have a lot of potential, most are still minor games, Nintendo is probably waiting to see how well the DSi sells before planning something major in the DSi ware).

So... i see it's a lot more fair to classify it as a new sub-system.

#43 Posted by garathe_den (1283 posts) -
Obviously it's not the DS2, otherwise it should actually look different and have completely different games, not just be an "upgrade"
#44 Posted by jjtiebuckle (1856 posts) -
[QUOTE="jjtiebuckle"]If the DSi had exclusive CARTRIDGE games, then it would be a DS2. The DSi does not, therefor it's not a DS2. Downloadable content doesn't count because it's just shovelware - randomness to fuel that consoles economy. Just because the iPhone has a few exclusive games, are you going to call it a new console? Of course not. Just because the DS is receiving a few extra features, should be it called a new console? Also, Nintendo wouldn't put games on SDHC cards because those small cards they use now are a lot cheaper and thus more profitable. SDHC cards hold a lot more, but they'd have to restructure the DS completely to accommodate SDHC games and when that happens, Then you can paint the town "DS2".riariases
Don't be so blind. You don't know if they'll make catridges that are only usable with the DSi. They could very well just make a small shape change like they did to the GameBoy Color to make it so that the GameBoy couldn't play the GameBoy Color games. Small changes like that could easily be done. And the screen is bigger which could be used for something, not to mention the DSi has a processor of 64mb(or more, theres alot of info going around) which is even double the PSP's. The original DS and DS Lite couldn't run those games at full speed. Which means this will have to have DSi exclusive games that are incompatible with the DS or DS Lite. The Nintendo DSi therefore is a whole new system. If you disagree thats like saying because the Xbox360 can still play normal Xbox games, its not a new console. Don't be stupid. You're just too baffled to realize.

Uh buddy? You do know the DS is already out in Japan yes? And these "changes" aren't going to happen yes? Ok good. As the person above stated, it's a sub-system or basically DS 1.5. The extra hardware components are just to run the extra peripherals, as someones already stated. It's like saying you need to swap out regular shoes with running shoes for a marathon. Regular shoes Can do the job, but running shoes will do them much better.
#45 Posted by riariases (2335 posts) -
[QUOTE="riariases"][QUOTE="jjtiebuckle"]If the DSi had exclusive CARTRIDGE games, then it would be a DS2. The DSi does not, therefor it's not a DS2. Downloadable content doesn't count because it's just shovelware - randomness to fuel that consoles economy. Just because the iPhone has a few exclusive games, are you going to call it a new console? Of course not. Just because the DS is receiving a few extra features, should be it called a new console? Also, Nintendo wouldn't put games on SDHC cards because those small cards they use now are a lot cheaper and thus more profitable. SDHC cards hold a lot more, but they'd have to restructure the DS completely to accommodate SDHC games and when that happens, Then you can paint the town "DS2".jjtiebuckle
Don't be so blind. You don't know if they'll make catridges that are only usable with the DSi. They could very well just make a small shape change like they did to the GameBoy Color to make it so that the GameBoy couldn't play the GameBoy Color games. Small changes like that could easily be done. And the screen is bigger which could be used for something, not to mention the DSi has a processor of 64mb(or more, theres alot of info going around) which is even double the PSP's. The original DS and DS Lite couldn't run those games at full speed. Which means this will have to have DSi exclusive games that are incompatible with the DS or DS Lite. The Nintendo DSi therefore is a whole new system. If you disagree thats like saying because the Xbox360 can still play normal Xbox games, its not a new console. Don't be stupid. You're just too baffled to realize.

Uh buddy? You do know the DS is already out in Japan yes? And these "changes" aren't going to happen yes? Ok good. As the person above stated, it's a sub-system or basically DS 1.5. The extra hardware components are just to run the extra peripherals, as someones already stated. It's like saying you need to swap out regular shoes with running shoes for a marathon. Regular shoes Can do the job, but running shoes will do them much better.

How do you KNOW these changes aren't going to happen? Do you own a DSi? Did you check to see if the catridge slot is the same shape as the DS's catridge slot? I don't think Nintendo would but in extra features like a camera and so on and not use them in actual games. Which means those games would only be compatible with the DSi. If they were really that stupid, they wouldn't make Mii's usable in the actual games. So its nothing like you're metaphor. In the sense, the regular shoes could run the marathon, yes. But this marathon has a lake in the middle and the running shoes can turn into flippers. And the regular shoes are made of leather so their too heavy to swim in.
#46 Posted by riariases (2335 posts) -
It does look different. Just not substantially. I mean, they didn't make substantial changes to the GBC from the GB. And no one knows if it has completelly different games or not. For all we know it could or couldn't. But theres a bigger chance that they WILL make games only compatible with the DSi. There are way too many new features that they could utilize in games. And we all know Nintendo isn't daft, considering they're the leading video game industry in the world to date.
#47 Posted by riariases (2335 posts) -
[QUOTE="meiaman"]

Well, i'm remaining neutral on this discussion, hence i'm here to try to help people undenstand each other a bit.

I believe the center of this discussion is basically: "what you consider as a new system?"

Here are the basics:

New System: When the developer create a new design, based or not on a previous design, with the choosen specifications and features and release it at the market. The system has a new set of games, but maybe it can have backward capability.

Upgraded Version: When the developer picks a existing design, add/remove a couple of features and release it.

The DSi is still a DS, nothing more than a upgraded DS... but, it's current specifications and the DSi ware games would classify it as a new system, but it can't be classified as a new system because it's still a DS, it will be advertised as a DS and people would still see it as a DS. (DSi wsare games exist and have a lot of potential, most are still minor games, Nintendo is probably waiting to see how well the DSi sells before planning something major in the DSi ware).

So... i see it's a lot more fair to classify it as a new sub-system.

Basically any console with new games that aren't compatible with other systems make it a new system. So we don't really know yet if its a DS2 or not. But theres a bigger chance there is.
#48 Posted by jjtiebuckle (1856 posts) -
If you don't understand what anyone else has posted, then understand from a business point of view. DS is the greatest selling handheld since Gameboy. Now, with a market of 40 million, why would they tarnish the numbers? Ok so I'm using fictitious numbers, but use your imagination. The PSP came out after the Gameboy armed with multimedia functions unparalleled to anything at the time. Nintendo dominates the handheld market, but it's weakened because lack of features. Enter in the DSi with (somewhat) decent capabilities matching the competition. If you change the DSi to a new handheld, you're not only losing out on customers who feel the DS is enough, but now you put strain on developers who have to make basically the same game twice. There isn't enough extra "umph' to progress the DSi into "new" console teritory nor any valid reason why the US DSi will be completely different from the Japanese one already released. What you want is DS2, which will probably happen realistically in 2-3 years.
#49 Posted by Blazingfury08 (19 posts) -

DO YOU SEE ANY EXCLUSIVE RETAIL GAMES FOR THE DSI IN JAPAN YET????

NO

The only exclusive **** the dsi getting is dsware games. The dsi is not a new system.

#50 Posted by riariases (2335 posts) -
That really doesn't make sense. You Nintendo is losing out because of lack of features, yet the NDS has sold over 96.2 million units worldwide. So you're not at all relying on facts. And how would adding features thus creating a new system "tarnish numbers"? And althouhg the PSP with all its features, its only sold just over 50 million worldwide. And thats with all three model sales put together. Not to mention the DSi has already sold over 95% of the units manufactured so far. So don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say anything about the US Version being different than the Japanese version. And yeah, there are people who think the DS is enough. But new systems have to come. People get bored, and dulled out. The bottom line that your not seeing because you're too busy saying a bunch of crap that no one will understand considering it makes no sense in the begining - anyways. The DSi could go either way. It COULD just be a modest upgrade with many new features. Or they would do what Nintendo's been known to do and utilize the new features into gameplay. Thus that would create games only compatible with the DSi. I've said it before. So next time you reply to my messages, read them first before talking about some false information while being impossible to understand. I'm not USING my imagination. I'm going by facts of the trade. Maybe if you got out of you're dream land you would understand.