Can Retro be turned into a "new Rare" ?

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#1 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

Altho some of you may already consider them as such, I personally still do not.

To be worthy of that title, they would have to make more than just two-three games per generation and make new IPs as well.

In their best times, Rare were chucking out great games left and right and they were making both, new IPs as well as sequels to established ones.

Part of that reason was also that they often re-used a lot of the same assets and graphics engines, but nevertheless, their efforts were impressive.

With the recent news of Retro expanding their team, I think they have the manpower neccessary to bring out more new games and fresh experiences.

But there is a fundamental difference between old Rare and the current Retro.

And that is that Retro is fully owned by Nintendo and it's up to Nintendo to decide what they'll work on.

Rare had quite some creative freedom to do what they wanted partly also because they weren't fully owned by Nintendo, hence could make their own games besides working on Ninty's franchises.

So far, Nintendo has only allowed Retro to work on their franchises, but not also make their own ones.

I think this last part is very important to realize as it's the key to Retro becomming a more "versatile" developer with a own identity.

To allow them to make own IPs, as well as potentially fund some of them, would be the first steps to realizing this potential.

 

What do you think?

#2 Posted by WreckEm711 (6922 posts) -

Wanting more than 2 or 3 quality unique games per gen in this day and age from a SINGLE studio is ridiculous. As technology increases, development times do to. It was easy for people to pop out games left and right in the SNES and N64 days, not so much anymore.

#3 Posted by spike6958 (4839 posts) -
Retro are better than Rare.
#4 Posted by ArataWata (21 posts) -

Considering how they pumped out amazing title after amazing title I'd say they're on the right track to becoming the next RARE, if not better!

#5 Posted by manicfoot (2633 posts) -

I think they're the closest thing Nintendo has to Rare. Their games have always pushed the hardware to their limits and they've demonstrated their versatility with Donkey Kong Country Returns and their work on Mario Kart 7.

I would love to see smaller, experimental projects from Nintendo's studios so we get fun, quirky bite-sized games inbetween the big releases like Mario and Zelda.

#6 Posted by deomag4 (86 posts) -

Retro are better than Rare.spike6958

 

disagree

#7 Posted by deomag4 (86 posts) -

[QUOTE="spike6958"]Retro are better than Rare.deomag4

 

disagree

unless you are talking about today's rare

#8 Posted by superbuuman (2903 posts) -

Retro is Retro, don't try to be somebody else, just be Retro..look at Capcom how they're screwing up all their old games because they're trying to be like Western devs. :P

#9 Posted by spike6958 (4839 posts) -

[QUOTE="spike6958"]Retro are better than Rare.deomag4

 

disagree

Retro made Metroid Prime, therefore, they are better.
#10 Posted by darkspineslayer (19799 posts) -
[QUOTE="deomag4"]

[QUOTE="spike6958"]Retro are better than Rare.spike6958

 

disagree

Retro made Metroid Prime, therefore, they are better.

Old Rare made Donkey Kong Country. I would say they are about even.
#11 Posted by spike6958 (4839 posts) -
[QUOTE="spike6958"][QUOTE="deomag4"]

 

disagree

darkspineslayer
Retro made Metroid Prime, therefore, they are better.

Old Rare made Donkey Kong Country. I would say they are about even.

Retro made a better Donkey Kong Country, so no, there not even close.
#12 Posted by darkspineslayer (19799 posts) -
[QUOTE="spike6958"][QUOTE="darkspineslayer"][QUOTE="spike6958"] Retro made Metroid Prime, therefore, they are better.

Old Rare made Donkey Kong Country. I would say they are about even.

Retro made a better Donkey Kong Country, so no, there not even close.

False. Returns was good, but not DKC2 good.
#13 Posted by Nintendo_Ownes7 (30917 posts) -

Well Retro recently moved into a building that could house 1200 people. They cuurently only have between 51-200 employees as of 2012.

#14 Posted by deomag4 (86 posts) -

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"][QUOTE="spike6958"] Retro made Metroid Prime, therefore, they are better.spike6958
Old Rare made Donkey Kong Country. I would say they are about even.

Retro made a better Donkey Kong Country, so no, there not even close.

 

banjo kazooie, perfect dark, blast corps, conker's bad fur day and goldeneye  tell me a different story

 

like metroid prime, but meh not quite as much. DKC:Returns was solid but i still prefer the snes titles. Mario Kart 7 was fun but didn't do anything groundbreaking either.

 

Retro is a damn good company, i just prefer the old rare to be honest. I think if i picked my top 10 n64 games there would be more Rare titles than Nintendo, and that's not an easy feat as nintendo makes a lot of great games especially in those days.

#15 Posted by Madmangamer364 (3605 posts) -

Wanting more than 2 or 3 quality unique games per gen in this day and age from a SINGLE studio is ridiculous. As technology increases, development times do to. It was easy for people to pop out games left and right in the SNES and N64 days, not so much anymore.

WreckEm711

Agreed. More importantly, I don't think Retro necessarily needs to be a "new Rare" in order to make a similar impact. The two are compared because they are known for developing exclusively on Nintendo platforms and creating software using Nintendo properties. However, I think Retro's upside to Nintendo is actually greater if they are ever given the green light to create a new IP. Most of Rare's past concepts piggybacked off of Nintendo's established ideas, but I think Retro might be the Nintendo-owned development studio best-equipped to create a new hit series under the HD model of game design, given what they've accomplished with past hardware and with the recent expansion of the team itself.

One of these days, I'd like to see what Retro can do without having to live up to the expectations set by established IPs, like Metroid and Donkey Kong. Much like what Monolith has started to do, I think this is a studio that can give Nintendo's library of titles a unique set of quality games, and that would be huge moving forward.

#16 Posted by deomag4 (86 posts) -

[QUOTE="WreckEm711"]

Wanting more than 2 or 3 quality unique games per gen in this day and age from a SINGLE studio is ridiculous. As technology increases, development times do to. It was easy for people to pop out games left and right in the SNES and N64 days, not so much anymore.

Madmangamer364

Agreed. More importantly, I don't think Retro necessarily needs to be a "new Rare" in order to make a similar impact. The two are compared because they are known for developing exclusively on Nintendo platforms and creating software using Nintendo properties. However, I think Retro's upside to Nintendo is actually greater if they are ever given the green light to create a new IP. Most of Rare's past concepts piggybacked off of Nintendo's established ideas, but I think Retro might be the Nintendo-owned development studio best-equipped to create a new hit series under the HD model of game design, given what they've accomplished with past hardware and with the recent expansion of the team itself.

One of these days, I'd like to see what Retro can do without having to live up to the expectations set by established IPs, like Metroid and Donkey Kong. Much like what Monolith has started to do, I think this is a studio that can give Nintendo's library of titles a unique set of quality games, and that would be huge moving forward.

 

I agree with this 100% actualy. I personally really want to see what Retro can do making their own new IP. I was pretty excited by early footage of raven blade so i know they can make something pretty awesome. 

Hell i wouldn't mind if nintendo tried to organize another studio like retro again.

#17 Posted by lazyathew (3748 posts) -

They are their own studio. And a really good one at that. I can't compare them to how good they are to Rare because I only played Metroid Prime. I was never even a fan of Donkey Kong Country to begin with, so I never picked up Returns. 

And honestly, I haven't played many Rare games either. But I played a TON of Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. I enjoyed DK 64 as well. But not nearly as much.

What I mean is, they both made some excelent games. But yeah, I would love to see what Rare does if they make a new ip as well.

#18 Posted by GreekGameManiac (6439 posts) -

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"][QUOTE="spike6958"] Retro made Metroid Prime, therefore, they are better.spike6958
Old Rare made Donkey Kong Country. I would say they are about even.

Retro made a better Donkey Kong Country, so no, there not even close.

Rare also made Killer Instict,GoldenEye,Perfect Dark,Jet Force Gemini,Banjo Kazooie,Banjo Tooie,Conker's Bad Fur Day and Starfox Adventures.(among others)

So,take that.

Retro Studios won't reach them untill they've made a bunchload of high quality games for Nintendo.

#19 Posted by TheBlackKnight3 (1586 posts) -

I loved the Rare games on the N64, but I hated DKC. I like DKC Returns and Metroid Prime a lot too... Metroid Prime alone probably tips the scales over Conker, Banjo Kazooie, and Donkey Kong 64 for me, which I love, but Star Fox Adventures really made me hate Rare so I definitely like Retro more.

#20 Posted by Nintendo_Ownes7 (30917 posts) -

[QUOTE="spike6958"][QUOTE="darkspineslayer"] Old Rare made Donkey Kong Country. I would say they are about even.GreekGameManiac

Retro made a better Donkey Kong Country, so no, there not even close.

Rare also made Killer Instict,GoldenEye,Perfect Dark,Jet Force Gemini,Banjo Kazooie,Banjo Tooie,Conker's Bad Fur Day and Starfox Adventures.(among others)

So,take that.

Retro Studios won't reach them untill they've made a bunchload of high quality games for Nintendo.

But Retro wouldn't be able to make more games until they either move into their new building (If they haven't already) and hire more employees since their new building houses 1200 Employees; Retro currently has 51-200 employees.

 
#21 Posted by spike6958 (4839 posts) -

[QUOTE="spike6958"][QUOTE="darkspineslayer"] Old Rare made Donkey Kong Country. I would say they are about even.GreekGameManiac

Retro made a better Donkey Kong Country, so no, there not even close.

Rare also made Killer Instict,GoldenEye,Perfect Dark,Jet Force Gemini,Banjo Kazooie,Banjo Tooie,Conker's Bad Fur Day and Starfox Adventures.(among others)

So,take that.

Retro Studios won't reach them untill they've made a bunchload of high quality games for Nintendo.

Not one of those games comes close to the quality of Metroid Prime. In fact the only games on that list that are good are Conker's BFD and Starfox Adventures. Everything else is mediocre at best, and only hyped by N64 fans because they system had nothing else outside of Nintendo's usual outings.
#22 Posted by nini200 (9827 posts) -

[QUOTE="spike6958"][QUOTE="darkspineslayer"] Old Rare made Donkey Kong Country. I would say they are about even.GreekGameManiac

Retro made a better Donkey Kong Country, so no, there not even close.

Rare also made Killer Instict,GoldenEye,Perfect Dark,Jet Force Gemini,Banjo Kazooie,Banjo Tooie,Conker's Bad Fur Day and Starfox Adventures.(among others)

So,take that.

Retro Studios won't reach them untill they've made a bunchload of high quality games for Nintendo.

Actually Rare and Midway made Killer Instinct. I'd say, let Retro work on a new Perfect Dark (after reacquiring the IP) or spy type FPS and then we'll see who's the better dev Free Radical or Retro. Retro however did make Metroid Prime which is one of my favorite games as well. We'll see.
#23 Posted by meetroid8 (21140 posts) -
[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

[QUOTE="spike6958"] Retro made a better Donkey Kong Country, so no, there not even close.nini200

Rare also made Killer Instict,GoldenEye,Perfect Dark,Jet Force Gemini,Banjo Kazooie,Banjo Tooie,Conker's Bad Fur Day and Starfox Adventures.(among others)

So,take that.

Retro Studios won't reach them untill they've made a bunchload of high quality games for Nintendo.

Actually Rare and Midway made Killer Instinct. I'd say, let Retro work on a new Perfect Dark (after reacquiring the IP) or spy type FPS and then we'll see who's the better dev Free Radical or Retro. Retro however did make Metroid Prime which is one of my favorite games as well. We'll see.

It's Retro, not even worth comparing.
#24 Posted by Meinhard1 (6775 posts) -
[QUOTE="spike6958"][QUOTE="deomag4"]

 

disagree

darkspineslayer
Retro made Metroid Prime, therefore, they are better.

Old Rare made Donkey Kong Country. I would say they are about even.

+1 Love Metroid Prime but Donkey Kong Country 1 and 2 occupy a very dear place in my heart (or brain, rather). Diddy's Kong Quest is basically my favorite game.
#25 Posted by DJ-Lafleur (34159 posts) -

DKC: Returns was about as good as the orginal trilogy on the SNES, stupid roll manuever aside. Metroid Prime 1 and 2 were amazing games (Prime 3 was just okay in comparison), and Mario kart 7 was a worhty addition to the Mario kart series.

I'd say Retro is at the very least close to old rare's level of quality. 

#26 Posted by ssj_neo (162 posts) -

Seems like they already are. Let them make Eternal Darkness 2 and Raven blade and I will be happy.

#27 Posted by GreekGameManiac (6439 posts) -

[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

[QUOTE="spike6958"] Retro made a better Donkey Kong Country, so no, there not even close.spike6958

Rare also made Killer Instict,GoldenEye,Perfect Dark,Jet Force Gemini,Banjo Kazooie,Banjo Tooie,Conker's Bad Fur Day and Starfox Adventures.(among others)

So,take that.

Retro Studios won't reach them untill they've made a bunchload of high quality games for Nintendo.

Not one of those games comes close to the quality of Metroid Prime. In fact the only games on that list that are good are Conker's BFD and Starfox Adventures. Everything else is mediocre at best, and only hyped by N64 fans because they system had nothing else outside of Nintendo's usual outings.

Uh,they are too many.

They beat MP,if they unite.

Stop exaggerating already.

MP is just one game.

#28 Posted by WreckEm711 (6922 posts) -

[QUOTE="spike6958"][QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

Rare also made Killer Instict,GoldenEye,Perfect Dark,Jet Force Gemini,Banjo Kazooie,Banjo Tooie,Conker's Bad Fur Day and Starfox Adventures.(among others)

So,take that.

Retro Studios won't reach them untill they've made a bunchload of high quality games for Nintendo.

GreekGameManiac

Not one of those games comes close to the quality of Metroid Prime. In fact the only games on that list that are good are Conker's BFD and Starfox Adventures. Everything else is mediocre at best, and only hyped by N64 fans because they system had nothing else outside of Nintendo's usual outings.

Uh,they are too many.

They beat MP,if they unite.

Stop exaggerating already.

MP is just one game.

Metroid Prime spans 3 games actually.. :P

#29 Posted by GreekGameManiac (6439 posts) -

Metroid Prime spans 3 games actually.. :P

WreckEm711

We meant the first one,and you knew that.

And that's 4 games.

#30 Posted by WreckEm711 (6922 posts) -

[QUOTE="WreckEm711"]

Metroid Prime spans 3 games actually.. :P

GreekGameManiac

We meant the first one,and you knew that.

And that's 4 games.

He he he, yeah I knew, I was just giving you a hard time :P

#31 Posted by GreekGameManiac (6439 posts) -

He he he, yeah I knew, I was just giving you a hard time :P

WreckEm711

Love you too,man.

But yeah,i do think that if they make a variety of good games,they can be considered the new Rare.

#32 Posted by VendettaRed07 (14012 posts) -

I know that normally, Quality > Quantity.. but Rare did so much more in less time than retro has. Retro has only made 4 games in 11 years. Rare made about 2-3 good- amazing games every single year.

While I think Metriod prime is better than any game Rare made if Im going to be honest, rare did more for Nintendo and even the gaming industry than Retro ever has. Without Rare, the n64s library is borderline pitiful. But rare gave Nintendo the n64 a ton of amazing games making it JUST enough to compete with the psone, which was getting games from every developer on the planet, which is just a testament to how good they were at the time. They put out 7AAAes and 5AAes for the n64 at IGN. Back in a time when igns ratings weren't nearly as inflated as they are today. Imagine ANY one developer doing that today. Its almost unthinkable. We'd bow to them as gods.

Sure, you can look back and say certain games are dated, or whatever. But thats not really fair. Rare gave N64 owners fantastic games to play when it actually mattered. Gamers and reviewers loved them at the time. And they weren't afraid to try something new and different. And alot of them still hold up really well today also.

Retro imo needs to expand. They need more parts, and need better funding and support by Nintendo to be to what Rare was to Nintendo at the time.

#33 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

Retro is Retro, don't try to be somebody else, just be Retro..look at Capcom how they're screwing up all their old games because they're trying to be like Western devs. :P

superbuuman

 

I didn't say they should becomme a carbon copy of them but simply that I'd like to see some new IPs and more games from them.

I feel Retro is the type of company that could shine in graphically intensive games and also make their own shooter, action-adventure, platformer, fighter, racing game, ect. IPs.

#34 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

Retro are better than Rare.spike6958

 

For you, but for me the Prime trilogy, DKC:R and MK7 don't outweight the whole (huge) collection of games Rare made in the past...

#35 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

[QUOTE="spike6958"] Retro made a better Donkey Kong Country, so no, there not even close.nini200

Rare also made Killer Instict,GoldenEye,Perfect Dark,Jet Force Gemini,Banjo Kazooie,Banjo Tooie,Conker's Bad Fur Day and Starfox Adventures.(among others)

So,take that.

Retro Studios won't reach them untill they've made a bunchload of high quality games for Nintendo.

Actually Rare and Midway made Killer Instinct. I'd say, let Retro work on a new Perfect Dark (after reacquiring the IP) or spy type FPS and then we'll see who's the better dev Free Radical or Retro. Retro however did make Metroid Prime which is one of my favorite games as well. We'll see.

 

Yeah, I agree.

Games like GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, Project IGI, No One Lives Forever, XIII, ect.

There should be more "stealthy FPS" type games and not just "guns-a-blazin'" ones... (but should still have a fun multi-player with lots of options)

#36 Posted by GreekGameManiac (6439 posts) -

[QUOTE="spike6958"]Retro are better than Rare.nameless12345

 

For you, but for me the Prime trilogy, DKC:R and MK7 don't outweight the whole (huge) collection of games Rare made in the past...

This.

#37 Posted by Pffrbt (6565 posts) -

Wanting more than 2 or 3 quality unique games per gen in this day and age from a SINGLE studio is ridiculous.

WreckEm711

Not really. Platinum Games does it all the time.

#38 Posted by Pffrbt (6565 posts) -

[QUOTE="spike6958"]Retro are better than Rare.nameless12345

 

For you, but for me the Prime trilogy, DKC:R and MK7 don't outweight the whole (huge) collection of games Rare made in the past...

Rare's only good game is Banjo Kazooie though.

#39 Posted by GreekGameManiac (6439 posts) -

Rare's only good game is Banjo Kazooie though.

Pffrbt

>_>

That's such a naive and idiotic statement.

#40 Posted by jer_1 (7451 posts) -

If nintendo has any say in what they do or create then hell no, their games will suck ass and they will flounder just like damn near everything nintendo touches these days.

#41 Posted by Bubble_Man (3095 posts) -

[QUOTE="deomag4"]

[QUOTE="spike6958"]Retro are better than Rare.spike6958

disagree

Retro made Metroid Prime, therefore, they are better.

I'm more of a Banjo Kazooie kind of guy, so I'm gonna disagree with you on that.