Roll Call: iOS

Hey dudes,

A thread where anything is discussable but we have to keep it friendly or else my green robot will chew your apple on the other side too! :P

SO!!!!!

I have terrible news, i swapped my beautiful One XL for a week with my mates iPhone 4s...

How do i get widgets on my home screeen, its frustrating me!!!! Its so plain and boring, i need excitement and beautiful weather display on my home screen!!

Substance over flash, my friend. It's not all about the way it's optimized for the UI. It's for all apps and processes. That iPhone 4S you're borrowing is the model of efficiency. If you're bored of the phone, hit up the App Store. I know you aren't used to such a high quality, robust app lineup. ;)musicalmac

No offence but you seriously sound like you've been brainwashed by Apple. Try to be a little more unbiased. CircuitLord

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Substance over flash, my friend. It's not all about the way it's optimized for the UI. It's for all apps and processes. That iPhone 4S you're borrowing is the model of efficiency. If you're bored of the phone, hit up the App Store. I know you aren't used to such a high quality, robust app lineup. ;)CircuitLord

@mm The app store i experienced i got my dad an iPad before. mystic_knight

[QUOTE="mystic_knight"]@mm The app store i experienced i got my dad an iPad before. musicalmac

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="mystic_knight"]@mm The app store i experienced i got my dad an iPad before. mjc

Lots of Android chatter on this iOS board...

Anyway, I jumped on to say that I found a glitch that may interest some. I was having a problem with the new iPad where the home button was working intermittently. I sent it back to Apple, but they couldn't find a problem. Sure enough, it was fine when it came back. Yesterday, it started again! However, it was while docked and connected to a power source. It's perfectly fine while not docked, but has issues while sitting there pretty. I thought I'd share in case anyone else was having the problem.

Lots of Android chatter on this iOS board...

Anyway, I jumped on to say that I found a glitch that may interest some. I was having a problem with the new iPad where the home button was working intermittently. I sent it back to Apple, but they couldn't find a problem. Sure enough, it was fine when it came back. Yesterday, it started again! However, it was while docked and connected to a power source. It's perfectly fine while not docked, but has issues while sitting there pretty. I thought I'd share in case anyone else was having the problem.

mjc

Have you tried another idevice on the dock to see if it has the same issue?

I got a nice flashy bluetooth keyboard (aluminium frame from ebay for $29) Works nice as a stand and a keyboard and clips in to protect the screen, thought it was a genius idea.

Hey Mj would you ever develop stuff, I'm still thinking of ideas, me and my mate want to develop for iOS and android. I just thought, all it takes is a great idea and it gets you thousands. Look at the silly game angry birds or the draw something game... they are like millionaires for something simple.

Actually when i complete my blog on the 7th day when my week will be completed i will list the great things about iOS, those include peripheral support such as docks and accessories. Thats one thing i can truly appreciate on the device, obviously due to high demand of the device, these features become prevalent, but it does enhance the phones attractiveness.

Have you tried another idevice on the dock to see if it has the same issue?

I got a nice flashy bluetooth keyboard (aluminium frame from ebay for $29) Works nice as a stand and a keyboard and clips in to protect the screen, thought it was a genius idea.

Hey Mj would you ever develop stuff, I'm still thinking of ideas, me and my mate want to develop for iOS and android. I just thought, all it takes is a great idea and it gets you thousands. Look at the silly game angry birds or the draw something game... they are like millionaires for something simple.

mystic_knight

I'm using a generic dock, so it's probably my fault for being cheap.

I've created a few programs and functions for my research, which others may find handy. However, I don't think I'd be able to invest the time into turning it into an app. It would be nice if all it took was an idea, but there's a little more to it!

I'm using a generic dock, so it's probably my fault for being cheap.

I've created a few programs and functions for my research, which others may find handy. However, I don't think I'd be able to invest the time into turning it into an app. It would be nice if all it took was an idea, but there's a little more to it!

mjc

Iphone 4 not getting the apple maps and free navigation, so much for the great apple support. What is the point of having the latest version when you dont get it's biggest feature? Iphone 4 was restricted access to siri as well for no reason. While the likes of samsung and HTC do this as well but google doesnt. So as far as I am concerned google nexus support >>> iphone support.

The new ipad getting siri but the ipad 2 isnt. Typical move again like what android OEMs are criticized for doing, not bringing the latest software to old phones to force people to buy new hardware.

The original ipad not getting an update at all.

Suffice it to say the apple iOS product software support is not all it's made up to be.

Iphone 4 not getting the apple maps and free navigation, so much for the great apple support. What is the point of having the latest version when you dont get it's biggest feature? Iphone 4 was restricted access to siri as well for no reason. While the likes of samsung and HTC do this as well but google doesnt. So as far as I am concerned google nexus support >>> iphone support.

The new ipad getting siri but the ipad 2 isnt. Typical move again like what android OEMs are criticized for doing, not bringing the latest software to old phones to force people to buy new hardware.

The original ipad not getting an update at all.

Suffice it to say the apple iOS product software support is not all it's made up to be.

Gambler_3

Apple support device = geting apple maps. Which is not the case at all.DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Apple support device = geting apple maps. Which is not the case at all.Gambler_3

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Apple support device = geting apple maps. Which is not the case at all.DroidPhysX

Wednesday can't come soon enough, i was so uninterested in the device yesterday that the only time i touched it was to take it to work and answer a few phone calls. :( I feel a depression hanging over my shoulders. I want my phone back. I think it this trial has made me more distant from iOS than ever. Like the saying goes, you don't know what you got till its gone.mystic_knight

Ive got the iPad 2, but nothing can replace my phone. Honestly i've never felt so upset in my life. This is more depressing than the day my mother left home.

Just so i can put it in perspective, my phone will always be my android device, my tablet im more than happy making it an apple device, it just works that way quite well for me.

Ive got the iPad 2, but nothing can replace my phone. Honestly i've never felt so upset in my life. This is more depressing than the day my mother left home.

Just so i can put it in perspective, my phone will always be my android device, my tablet im more than happy making it an apple device, it just works that way quite well for me.

mystic_knight

I think you really need to integrate your phone into your daily tech life. When I moved to the competition, it took a few weeks before I was really comfortable with the move. I don't think I would have been convinced if someone lent it to me for a week. It's hard to make a change when you're used to something.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Hmm what??

Gambler_3

Exclusive games. Exclusive apps. Unrivaled stability. Unmatched 1st, 2nd and 3rd party support. Uncontested billion-dollar after-market accessory industry catered to Apple. Astounding online community. Seamless multi-class inter-device connectivity.

80% of iOS owners are on iOS5. 7.1% of Android owners are on Android 4.0 (which makes it safe to assume only 7 percent of Android owners are actually power-users with technical expertise, as opposed to the millions of lower-class folk saving money by buying a $20-$50 Android brick). REAL Impressive numbers there, Google :roll:

Unification > Fragmentation (as made apparent with previous updated-user percentile).

"No FLASH!" - 2007. 2012: Flash is being phased out.

"No functionality!" - 2007. 2012: The best function-providing apps are either made for iOS first and released on Android a year or two later, or completely iOS exclusive.

"No physical keyboard or buttons!" - 2007. 2012: Only few lower-end or half-baked devices stubbornly cling to physical keyboards.

Apple won already... They won about five years ago. When will people realize that iOS and the iPhone has accomplished in the mobile space what only Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony could lustfully dream of? Never. Because people are too busy playing with their UI's instead of enjoying actual substance.

/debate

Haha, you're a shocker :P

I think you really need to integrate your phone into your daily tech life. When I moved to the competition, it took a few weeks before I was really comfortable with the move. I don't think I would have been convinced if someone lent it to me for a week. It's hard to make a change when you're used to something.

mjc

The support is not good because they omitted one feature? Splitting hairsDroidPhysX

iOS is years behind android in terms of functionality and ease of use.

There is no back button and applications have no consistent use of where they place the back button. It can pop up anywhere depending on the application and is hugely annoying.

In the app store there is nothing showing the progress of a download, you have to go all the way back to the homescreen icon of the app to see the progress how ridiculous. In android it shows the progress right there and also in the notification center so you see check it out from anywhere.

The keyboard has no haptic feedback and there is no such thing as a third party keyboard. I for one cannot enjoy typing without feedback and I have tried. On android I get dozens of different vibration levels that I can keep for the keyboard.

There is no way to automatically set the app icons to arrange themselves alphabetically. Once again the android way of having separate homescreens for most frequently used shortcuts and a separate alphabetical app drawer trumps it big time. iOS is such a clutter, I want to see more of my wallpaper not a bunch of fat icons blocking it.

I could go on really iOS almost feels like a dark ages OS compared to android gingerbread let alone ICS. The only redeeming factor is the quality of apps and accessories. The quality of the games is let down by the size of the screen.

At least that iPhone 4S is properly optimized (or rather, optimized at all) for both the cores in the processor. musicalmac

I think earlier today i went through some sort of emotional breakdown,over a phone, pretty silly aye!

Anyway, i didn't create this thread to make an arguement for either side, i did it to get ideas on how to enhance my iOS experience. I think i went over the hard stage of adjusting to a new phone. The screen size is crippling but im more than happy to use it for the rest of the week.

One thing i have found for certain is that iOS and Android are both far superior to windows phone 7 and Research in Motion. Hopefully windows phone 8 will improve their restrictions and actually make it a great contender.

I so hate the metro interface unless that can be changed I aint ever considering a windows phone. iOS interface is better than windows, microsoft shouldnt have tried so hard to be original. Side scrolling is just so much more natural than vertical scrolling.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] The support is not good because they omitted one feature? Splitting hairsGambler_3

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] The support is not good because they omitted one feature? Splitting hairsDroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Apple OS updates only have a few noteworthy features to begin with, omitting the biggest feature is like a getting a 0.5 update.

Gambler_3

Go back to your vibrating keyboard.

How far back should they go in their hardware lineup before you'd be happy? The Apple Newton?

Go back to your vibrating keyboard.

userzero

They dont have to go back anywhere to include voice navigation and siri in iphone 4, it's hardware is fully capable of it. They are just locking it out of it to make the 4S seem more appealing. The point is apple users have always criticized android OEMs for doing that when apple itself is doing the same thing. ;)

[QUOTE="userzero"]

How far back should they go in their hardware lineup before you'd be happy? The Apple Newton?

Go back to your vibrating keyboard.

Gambler_3

They dont have to go back anywhere to include voice navigation and siri in iphone 4, it's hardware is fully capable of it. They are just locking it out of it to make the 4S seem more appealing. The point is apple users have always criticized android OEMs for doing that when apple itself is doing the same thing. ;)

iOS is years behind android in terms of functionality and ease of use.

There is no back button and applications have no consistent use of where they place the back button. It can pop up anywhere depending on the application and is hugely annoying.

In the app store there is nothing showing the progress of a download, you have to go all the way back to the homescreen icon of the app to see the progress how ridiculous. In android it shows the progress right there and also in the notification center so you see check it out from anywhere.

The keyboard has no haptic feedback and there is no such thing as a third party keyboard. I for one cannot enjoy typing without feedback and I have tried. On android I get dozens of different vibration levels that I can keep for the keyboard.

There is no way to automatically set the app icons to arrange themselves alphabetically. Once again the android way of having separate homescreens for most frequently used shortcuts and a separate alphabetical app drawer trumps it big time. iOS is such a clutter, I want to see more of my wallpaper not a bunch of fat icons blocking it.

I could go on really iOS almost feels like a dark ages OS compared to android gingerbread let alone ICS. The only redeeming factor is the quality of apps and accessories. The quality of the games is let down by the size of the screen.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]

At least that iPhone 4S is properly optimized (or rather, optimized at all) for both the cores in the processor. Gambler_3

When a fandroid is whittled down to harping on inconsequential things like "download progress" it really goes to show just how much there is to do on an Android device and how much he's trying to avoid addressing shortcomings that REALLY matter.

Why don't you convert like some of your comrades from these forums already have? 7% of users on Android 4.0, with a dwindling 30% developer interest? GTFO. There's so few of you "power" users that I don't even know why you defend Android to your last dying breath. Even developers are abandoning ship. Nevermind that Apple is poised to enter their "end-game" later this year by omitting most of the features that Google RELIES on for most of their mobile profits. Google will be bleeding out their noses paying money to support an ecosystem they barely profit from, if even at all anymore.

You know what's in store for Google in the future? Mutiny. Amazon bastardized Android for their own use, completely separate from Google, does not pay a dime to Google, and what happened there? The kindle line is laughably the best selling Android based tablet, and this goes completely unaccredited to Google. I garauntee we'll be seeing another instance like this very very soon.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Apple OS updates only have a few noteworthy features to begin with, omitting the biggest feature is like a getting a 0.5 update.

Gambler_3

Honestly, most of these ranting haters are just so butt-hurt that all their predictions and objections from five years ago fell completely apart.

"Touch screen? No buttons?" "Can't use for business!" "No flash, OMG!" "Gaming will never grow on a touchscreen!" "The gaming industry won't ever pay attention to an iPhone!" "FAD!" "Businesses won't ever use iOS!" "FAD!" "Hardly any programmers will support IOS!" "FAD" "Android will be the platform of choice for games!" "Every developer will be fighting each other just to code for Android!" "UNIFICATION?! EW!" "OPEN SOURCE RUUUULES!"

Fast forward half a decade, the most they can now say is:

"NO UI CUSTOMIZATION! WAAAAAAAH!" "NO DOWNLOAD PROGRESS INDICATOR?! I HAVE TO CLICK A BUTTON TO SEE IT?!! KITTEN DEATHS!!!!"

[QUOTE="mystic_knight"]Wednesday can't come soon enough, i was so uninterested in the device yesterday that the only time i touched it was to take it to work and answer a few phone calls. :( I feel a depression hanging over my shoulders. I want my phone back. I think it this trial has made me more distant from iOS than ever. Like the saying goes, you don't know what you got till its gone.Kid-Atari

Don't think you know me. If that's what you say on a daily living to get by don't associate your weakness and petty talk with my thoughts on my experiences. Because you like an iPhone you expect everyone else to like it. Get a reality check buddy.

You can sniff a "load-of-crock" easily... maybe you need to get your senses checked out because it seems a little faulty.

Such a weak counter-argument. You're harping on minor UI discrepancies, which is ironic considering that Android's own UI is so ambiguous that carriers are allowed to mutate it into their own little monsters at their liking.

When a fandroid is whittled down to harping on inconsequential things like "download progress" it really goes to show just how much there is to do on an Android device and how much he's trying to avoid addressing shortcomings that REALLY matter.

Why don't you convert like some of your comrades from these forums already have? 7% of users on Android 4.0, with a dwindling 30% developer interest? GTFO. There's so few of you "power" users that I don't even know why you defend Android to your last dying breath. Even developers are abandoning ship. Nevermind that Apple is poised to enter their "end-game" later this year by omitting most of the features that Google RELIES on for most of their mobile profits. Google will be bleeding out their noses paying money to support an ecosystem they barely profit from, if even at all anymore.

You know what's in store for Google in the future? Mutiny. Amazon bastardized Android for their own use, completely separate from Google, does not pay a dime to Google, and what happened there? The kindle line is laughably the best selling Android based tablet, and this goes completely unaccredited to Google. I garauntee we'll be seeing another instance like this very very soon.

Kid-Atari

It's not a small thing considering how often things are downloaded on a smartphone. Little little things enhance the whole experience, the sum is greater than the parts.

At the time google said that there were still plenty of high end android phones that were waiting to get the ICS update. Sure that particular fact sucks but it doesnt mean there are very few people who buy high end phones, need I show galaxy S3 pre order numbers? :lol:

I dont see the dwindling interest, the android play store continues to grow.

Thats the whole point of open source anyone can do anything. Google is going to release their own tablet soon. iOS accounts for 2% of total profits for google which are mostly made from search, it doesnt hurt them in the slightest. If google cared they would have given iOS similar google maps functionality as it is on android but it seems like they didnt and so apple was forced to make their own maps.

Honestly, most of these ranting haters are just so butt-hurt that all their predictions and objections from five years ago fell completely apart.

"Touch screen? No buttons?" "Can't use for business!" "No flash, OMG!" "Gaming will never grow on a touchscreen!" "The gaming industry won't ever pay attention to an iPhone!" "FAD!" "Businesses won't ever use iOS!" "FAD!" "Hardly any programmers will support IOS!" "FAD" "Android will be the platform of choice for games!" "Every developer will be fighting each other just to code for Android!" "UNIFICATION?! EW!" "OPEN SOURCE RUUUULES!"

Fast forward half a decade, the most they can now say is:

"NO UI CUSTOMIZATION! WAAAAAAAH!" "NO DOWNLOAD PROGRESS INDICATOR?! I HAVE TO CLICK A BUTTON TO SEE IT?!! KITTEN DEATHS!!!!"

Kid-Atari

Microsoft recently patented a smartphone with detachable controller, it's like a phone that can transform into a slim phone or thick gaming phone whenever you want. That idea can be revolutionary for gaming because the problem with an xperia play class of phone is that the bulk is permanently there even when you are not gaming.

[QUOTE="Kid-Atari"]

Such a weak counter-argument. You're harping on minor UI discrepancies, which is ironic considering that Android's own UI is so ambiguous that carriers are allowed to mutate it into their own little monsters at their liking.

When a fandroid is whittled down to harping on inconsequential things like "download progress" it really goes to show just how much there is to do on an Android device and how much he's trying to avoid addressing shortcomings that REALLY matter.

Why don't you convert like some of your comrades from these forums already have? 7% of users on Android 4.0, with a dwindling 30% developer interest? GTFO. There's so few of you "power" users that I don't even know why you defend Android to your last dying breath. Even developers are abandoning ship. Nevermind that Apple is poised to enter their "end-game" later this year by omitting most of the features that Google RELIES on for most of their mobile profits. Google will be bleeding out their noses paying money to support an ecosystem they barely profit from, if even at all anymore.

You know what's in store for Google in the future? Mutiny. Amazon bastardized Android for their own use, completely separate from Google, does not pay a dime to Google, and what happened there? The kindle line is laughably the best selling Android based tablet, and this goes completely unaccredited to Google. I garauntee we'll be seeing another instance like this very very soon.

Gambler_3

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/18/us-samsung-idUSBRE84H00X20120518

"Everyone is talking about Samsung?s third-generation Galaxy smartphone and the extraordinary number of pre-orders the company received for the new device. It's bull.

The media is reporting that the company has already received 9 million pre-orders for the device. On the surface, that sounds impressive, but read this paragraph from the original Reuters reportagain.

Samsung Electronics Co has received some 9 million pre-orders for its third-generation Galaxy S smartphone from more than 100 global carriers, the Korea Economic Daily reported on Friday.

Those are orders from its global carriers, not customers. Come on people.

When Apple reports its pre-orders for a new iPhone, it uses the number of phones ordered by end users. If Apple played this type of silly game, they could add on all of the orders from AT&T, Verizon and all of its carriers from around the world. And if they did that, the number of pre-orders would still be skewed in Apple?s favor.

There is no guarantee that carriers will sell all of the Samsung phones they ordered to end users. In fact, there is no guarantee they will sell even one phone.

What happens to all of the unsold inventory? They go back to Samsung, but they still count as pre-orders.

The lesson of the day: Don't be fooled by bull."

So what would happen if Apple released GLOBAL carrier "pre-orders?" It would make your touting of 9 Million seem like chump change.

I dont see the dwindling interest, the android play store continues to grow.

http://www.technobuffalo.com/companies/google/android/study-finds-developer-interest-in-android-is-slowly-eroding/

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-20/news/31372130_1_amazon-appstore-android-developer-interest

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Android-loses-developer-interest-due-to-fragmentation_id28247

http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/03/20/developers.peg.ios.at.1.android.2.wp7.3/

"Following news that Battleheart developer Mika Mobile is dropping support for the Android platform, a new survey of developer interest in mobile platforms shows that this could be a sign of a growing trend facing the Android platform. In explaining its reasons for dropping Android support, Mika Mobile said that the fragmentation of the platform meant that it had been forced to spend countless hours modifying shaders and texture formats to work on different GPUs among other complaints. Appcelerator found that even though the Android platform is expanding, developer interest is waning, a result of the massive array of devices and hardware configurations requiring support.

The fragmentation of the platform, which Google seems unable to curtail, is driving this drop in interest, said Mike King, an Appcelerator strategist."

Thats the whole point of open source anyone can do anything.

- I guess letting anyone do anything means carriers can enforce their own skins, hardware and software configurations, and well... Fragment the hell out of the entire eco-system, making it near impossible to sustain any meaningful unified online-community service, or sensible developer profit.

Google is going to release their own tablet soon.

About four years late on that. They're going to have a tough time even just "emulating" the foundation of an entire market Apple has single handedly built. Google will be stretching themselves thin just familiarizing themselves into the "HARDWARE-DESIGN" business. What happened to the first Google Nexus Phone? How come they need to rely on other hardware vendors to put out their software? Yeah we'll see what happens with their own tablet soon.

iOS accounts for 2% of total profits for google which are mostly made from search, it doesnt hurt them in the slightest.

FromCNET:

In an investors note released yesterday, Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster said he expects Google to generate around $4.5 billion in mobile revenue this year. And iOS will kick in the largest or close to the largest chunk of that.

All told, by the close of 2012, iOS will have driven close to 40 percent of Google?s total mobile search revenue. How much does that amount to? Roughly $1.6 billion.

http://www.slashgear.com/ios-brings-in-40-of-googles-mobile-profits-07232783/

- When you're speaking in terms of billions, especially 1.6 billion from 4.5 billion, it suddenly does hurt.

If google cared they would have given iOS similar google maps functionality as it is on android but it seems like they didnt and so apple was forced to make their own maps.

Correct. Google doesn't care. It's why you have Android, and why Android is starting to slowly erode right before our eyes.

"Grasping for straws now are we?"