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#51 Posted by monkeytoes61 (8319 posts) -

Interesting article here about dysfunction in the Mariners front office. I know Wedge resigned due to different visions or something but..wow.

http://seattletimes.com/html/mariners/2022420240_mariners08xml.html

Just read that yesterday. What a joke. This is why I haven't watched the Mariners in years, not going to give the franchise my support when all this shit is going down.

#52 Edited by JohnBean42 (2810 posts) -

@monkeytoes61 said:

@JohnBean42 said:

Interesting article here about dysfunction in the Mariners front office. I know Wedge resigned due to different visions or something but..wow.

http://seattletimes.com/html/mariners/2022420240_mariners08xml.html

Just read that yesterday. What a joke. This is why I haven't watched the Mariners in years, not going to give the franchise my support when all this shit is going down.

I've read that from fans on Twitter. They said it makes sense now why there have been so many bad deals in the past like they mentioned..singing Figgins, trading Morrow, Delabar, Lee and Fister. What a mess.

Pineda looks like his best move, even if Montero hasn't been great. And getting Ryan.

#53 Posted by Braun_Roid_Rage (701 posts) -

Fawk ! I wanted the Rangers to waste money on Cano.

#54 Posted by monkeytoes61 (8319 posts) -

@monkeytoes61 said:

@JohnBean42 said:

Interesting article here about dysfunction in the Mariners front office. I know Wedge resigned due to different visions or something but..wow.

http://seattletimes.com/html/mariners/2022420240_mariners08xml.html

Just read that yesterday. What a joke. This is why I haven't watched the Mariners in years, not going to give the franchise my support when all this shit is going down.

I've read that from fans on Twitter. They said it makes sense now why there have been so many bad deals in the past like they mentioned..singing Figgins, trading Morrow, Delabar, Lee and Fister. What a mess.

Pineda looks like his best move, even if Montero hasn't been great. And getting Ryan.

I was really pissed when they traded Fister for scraps. Guy is a good pitcher. Borderline number two guy.

#57 Posted by Boston_Boyy (3892 posts) -

Roy Halladay is going to sign a one-day contract with the Blue Jays to retire. I personally hope he can overcome playing on shitty Toronto teams and somewhat weak counting stats to get into the hall of fame someday.

#58 Posted by JohnBean42 (2810 posts) -

Roy Halladay is going to sign a one-day contract with the Blue Jays to retire. I personally hope he can overcome playing on shitty Toronto teams and somewhat weak counting stats to get into the hall of fame someday.

I hope so. Not winning a ring may hurt, but the general thought from writers is he'll get in there. From 2002-2011, there weren't many pitchers better.

#59 Edited by JML897 (33111 posts) -

@monkeytoes61 said:

@JohnBean42 said:

Interesting article here about dysfunction in the Mariners front office. I know Wedge resigned due to different visions or something but..wow.

http://seattletimes.com/html/mariners/2022420240_mariners08xml.html

Just read that yesterday. What a joke. This is why I haven't watched the Mariners in years, not going to give the franchise my support when all this shit is going down.

Now there's this:

http://deadspin.com/the-mariners-may-have-bid-against-themselves-for-robins-1479755692

By mid-day Friday, Seattle had heard that some team bid nine years and $225 million for Robinson Cano, so the Mariners upped their bid to $240 million and 10 years before apparently realizing the initial bid had come from themselves, too.

#60 Edited by monkeytoes61 (8319 posts) -

I defended Jack Z for a while, but it's time for him to go. Even with this big signing, his plan is failing so far. The young talent hasn't come through, and his trades have mostly been head scratchers.

#61 Edited by JohnBean42 (2810 posts) -
@JML897 said:

@monkeytoes61 said:

@JohnBean42 said:

Interesting article here about dysfunction in the Mariners front office. I know Wedge resigned due to different visions or something but..wow.

http://seattletimes.com/html/mariners/2022420240_mariners08xml.html

Just read that yesterday. What a joke. This is why I haven't watched the Mariners in years, not going to give the franchise my support when all this shit is going down.

Now there's this:

http://deadspin.com/the-mariners-may-have-bid-against-themselves-for-robins-1479755692

By mid-day Friday, Seattle had heard that some team bid nine years and $225 million for Robinson Cano, so the Mariners upped their bid to $240 million and 10 years before apparently realizing the initial bid had come from themselves, too.

Wow. I don't know if I've seen that before.

#63 Edited by Boston_Boyy (3892 posts) -

Shin Soo Choo to the Rangers for 7 years $130M. Not a bad a signing if you ask me, they'll be overpaying 4-5 years from now and all (though his skill set does age better than Cano or Ellsbury), but with the way the Rangers are built Choo will fit in nicely right in front of Fielder and Beltre.

#64 Edited by darkpanther874 (7 posts) -

The Rangers are a top 3 offense in MLB with Choo and Fielder in the top 4 of their lineup. Good signing.

#65 Posted by Braun_Roid_Rage (701 posts) -

Shin Soo Choo to the Rangers for 7 years $130M. Not a bad a signing if you ask me, they'll be overpaying 4-5 years from now and all (though his skill set does age better than Cano or Ellsbury), but with the way the Rangers are built Choo will fit in nicely right in front of Fielder and Beltre.

I love it.

#66 Posted by ManBearPuig (14 posts) -

I'm super excited about what the Dodgers did this year. I thought Wilson and Howell were gone for sure. Can't wait for pitchers and catchers to report.

#67 Posted by X360PS3AMD05 (36298 posts) -

@manbearpuig: Are you on MSTI? It'll be insane if they add Tanaka as well

#68 Posted by Master_Live (13618 posts) -

Tanaka come to the Yanks baby!

#69 Edited by X360PS3AMD05 (36298 posts) -
#70 Edited by JML897 (33111 posts) -
#71 Edited by Boston_Boyy (3892 posts) -

@JML897 said:

http://deadspin.com/greg-maddux-will-not-be-a-unanimous-hall-of-famer-1496300490

The baseball HOF selection process is fucked beyond repair if people like this can vote

Welp, that settles that then. Nothing to see here folks. But honestly, I don't know what's worse. That logic or "if Babe Ruth doesn't get 100%, nobody does" logic. The fact that he did vote for Morris makes it worse too, in addition to that whole 3.90 ERA thing, their careers overlapped by 8 years. During which time Maddux won 3 Cy Young awards and Morris had no top-3 finishes.

#72 Edited by JML897 (33111 posts) -

There's a guy out there who is paid to write about baseball for a living and he voted for Jacque Jones for the Hall of Fame.

what the fuck

#73 Posted by mems_1224 (45746 posts) -

Wow, Biggio misses by 2 votes. Thats a load of horse shit.

#74 Edited by Master_Live (13618 posts) -

Congrats to the trio and their fans, specially Maddux who is a legend. Biggio gets in next year.

#75 Edited by Boston_Boyy (3892 posts) -

Seems like a lot of voters limited themselves to voting for 3 candidates, which is a allegedly an unwritten rule some of the older and more traditional voters follow. All 3 that got in deserved with out doubt, as did Biggio but he's hardly going to be the best player who didn't make it in on his first couple ballots either. Out of the players who fell short I'd like to see Biggio, Bagwell, Schilling, along with maybe Raines and/or Mussina all make it at some time or another from players who fell short this

#76 Posted by PSP107 (11583 posts) -

@Boston_Boyy:

Didn't Biggio and Bagwell always choked in the playoffs?

#77 Edited by Boston_Boyy (3892 posts) -

@PSP107 said:

@Boston_Boyy:

Didn't Biggio and Bagwell always choked in the playoffs?

I mean I guess you could say that, they did each lose about .200 points off their career regular seasons, but the postseason still made up like 2% of their career at-bats. It's not as if it's completely unimportant, but they've got strong enough resumes in other areas to overcome it.

#78 Posted by 36Ounces (2062 posts) -

Great to see Maddux an Glavine get in together. That rotation with them an Smoltz was one of the greatest ever.

#79 Edited by mems_1224 (45746 posts) -

Props to Dan LeBatard for selling his vote to the fans.

#80 Posted by JML897 (33111 posts) -

Props to Dan LeBatard for selling his vote to the fans.

I think it's hilarious that so many writers are bitching about it. The Deadspin readers ended up filling out a better ballot than most of the other voters did.

Anyone whining about what LeBatard did is pretty much proving the point that he was trying to make

#81 Edited by PSP107 (11583 posts) -

Props to Dan LeBatard for selling his vote to the fans.

Is he even a baseball guy?

#82 Posted by Ring_of_fire (15620 posts) -

@PSP107 said:

@mems_1224 said:

Props to Dan LeBatard for selling his vote to the fans.

Is he even a baseball guy?

No, that was one of his points for doing this.

I find it hilarious that people are more angry at LeBatard doing this than some of the awful ballots and inconsistent moral stands against PEDs from some of the writers (thinking of Gurnick). At the end of the day, LeBatard's ballot (therefore, deadspin's readers) ballot was far more educated than some of the voters, like Lawrence Rocca who voted for Hideo Nomo but not Greg Maddux.

http://bbwaa.com/14-hof-ballots/

#83 Posted by Master_Live (13618 posts) -

LeBatard wanted to make a point, he made his point. Good for him. And now he is out and I agree with that. And that is that.

#84 Edited by Master_Live (13618 posts) -

As for the A-Rod saga: I'm glad the suspension was upheld, even if reduced, so the Yanks can save a boat load of money. A-Rod's contract is an albatross hanging on the Yanks neck and we needed this relief. No more A-Bomb's from A-Rod next season.

#85 Edited by yokofox33 (28934 posts) -

A-Rod is a terrible person.

#86 Edited by Boston_Boyy (3892 posts) -

Kershaw is offically the first $30M in any US professional sport: http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/10298436/clayton-kershaw-los-angeles-dodgers-agree-seven-year-deal-worth-215-million

Not sure how i'd feel about this if I were Dodgers. I love Kershaw and if there were ever a pitcher who deserved this deal it'd be him. However, because he is a pitcher, a deal like has to be taken with caution. Hopefully Kershaw will stay on top of his game into his 30s, but you'd be fooling yourself if you think Kershaw is somehow inherently different than all of the pitchers in recent baseball history that feel apart before their 30th birthday.

#87 Edited by Master_Live (13618 posts) -

Well, they got him on the right side of 30. He is the best (plus Verlander/Hernandez) and he is being paid like that.

#88 Edited by PSP107 (11583 posts) -

@

Kershaw is offically the first $30M in any US professional sport: http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/10298436/clayton-kershaw-los-angeles-dodgers-agree-seven-year-deal-worth-215-million

Not sure how i'd feel about this if I were Dodgers. I love Kershaw and if there were ever a pitcher who deserved this deal it'd be him. However, because he is a pitcher, a deal like has to be taken with caution. Hopefully Kershaw will stay on top of his game into his 30s, but you'd be fooling yourself if you think Kershaw is somehow inherently different than all of the pitchers in recent baseball history that feel apart before their 30th birthday.

The Dodgers will regret this.

#89 Posted by X360PS3AMD05 (36298 posts) -

Thing sounded shady as heck, they met a "Doctor" in a parking lot and gave him a briefcase full of money to get stolen documents? And if they test them after the game how the heck do they stay undetected? Sounds crazy.

Deal sounds great after we were hearing 10 years 300 Mill, tons of them are given out, if you want to win you gotta do it, getting just 5 solid years make it worth it. In most of these contracts you hope to just get half of it, then if they drop off in the second whatever, i'm sure the Yanks are happy with their spending spree that ended with a 2009 World Series. This team can also better afford it than most

#90 Posted by The-Apostle (12106 posts) -

Good Lord that's a lot of money. /Cheap Pete

#91 Posted by CWEBB04z (4523 posts) -

Kershaw is good, but he isn't worth 30 million a year.

#92 Posted by Braun_Roid_Rage (701 posts) -

@CWEBB04z said:

Kershaw is good, but he isn't worth 30 million a year.

Agreed. Dodgers are so thirsty for that WS title lol.

A-Roid is such a bitch, man.

#93 Posted by ManBearPuig (14 posts) -

Locked Kershaw up, now go get Tanaka.

#94 Posted by Master_Live (13618 posts) -

Oh my, oh my. Yanks sure went for it. If we get Darvish 2.0 it is ok, if not...oh my.

#95 Posted by Master_Live (13618 posts) -

Aaaaaaand the 189M cap target is gone. So you might as well go all the way and fortify the bullpen and bench.

#96 Edited by PSP107 (11583 posts) -

@Master_Live said:

Oh my, oh my. Yanks sure went for it. If we get Darvish 2.0 it is ok, if not...oh my.

50% chance the Yanks will regret this.

#97 Posted by Braun_Roid_Rage (701 posts) -

Michael Young, a Ranger great, man.

#98 Edited by Ring_of_fire (15620 posts) -

Heyward extended for 2 years/13M.

Freeman extended 8 years/125M

Doubt a last second extension will stop Kimbrel's arbitration case. I doubt he will be a Brave for longer than 2 more seasons.

#99 Posted by GamerForca (7070 posts) -

Glad to see the Freeman extension, at least.

#100 Edited by Braun_Roid_Rage (701 posts) -

Russell Wilson needs to come play for my Rangers man.

And T-Mac trying baseball ? LMAO that should be entertaining.