Which Developer is the Most Overrated

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Posted by sundayismyDAD (438 posts) 1 year, 8 months ago

Poll: Which Developer is the Most Overrated (57 votes)

Nintendo 11%
Treyarch/ Infinity Ward 23%
Valve 18%
Kojima Productions 7%
Square Enix 14%
Bungie 14%
Naughty Dog 16%
None of These 16%
All of These 4%
Ubisoft 5%
Rockstar 14%
Rocksteady 2%

My money is on Nintendo and Valve.

#1 Posted by drekula2 (3249 posts) -

Square Enix, Capcom and Sega haven't put out anything wonderful in a long while.

Valve, while they do troll their fanbase, they did make my favorite games of the generation.

#2 Edited by Jacanuk (5860 posts) -

Valve isn't really a developer anymore so they kinda have to be the most overrated as a developer hands down.

But "real" developers i would have to put my money on Blizzard and Rockstar, Blizzard because they tried to rip gamers of with their p2w game Diablo 3 and Rockstar for what they said would be GTA V and what they delivered.

#3 Edited by Pikminmaniac (9520 posts) -

Naughty Dog for sure. They've just degraded over the past generation IMO.

#4 Edited by The_Last_Ride (75068 posts) -

Valve is just overrated in my view. I don't think their games are really that good. Metal Gear Solid might be a great series, but people do look at Kojima as a god in game development. I am not saying he is bad in any way, just a little overrated. Also COD is just overrated as hell

#5 Posted by ristactionjakso (6118 posts) -

Went with R*.

RDR was a great game. But any other game than that, I feel that the gameplay in general is terrible. I can't stand games that have horrible gameplay.

#6 Edited by speedfreak48t5p (9896 posts) -

Any developer who makes stealth games.

#7 Edited by Lulu_Lulu (19034 posts) -

How the Hell did Bethesda not make your list ! Fix It.... !

#8 Posted by firefox59 (4516 posts) -

Naughty Dog. And it's actually in first. I'm proud of you forums.

#9 Posted by hari4431 (25 posts) -

rockstar bcoz every game they have like this ugly filthy looking protagonist and antagonist....Red dead redemption just doesnt have anything good beside targeting system....its a insult to humanity the way the people are shown in rockstar games...i will never buy there games unless they change

#10 Edited by UpInFlames (13281 posts) -

Naughty Dog, not even a contest.

All they do is derivative and uninspired action blockbuster yawnfests with a B-movie story yet they're heralded as some sort of geniuses. What a load of horseshit.

#11 Posted by Flubbbs (3740 posts) -

rockstar

#12 Edited by Dog (37 posts) -

Naughty Dog, 100%... Its games are great tech demos, but beyond that, they're forgettable.

#13 Posted by dvader654 (44751 posts) -

Are these forums just going to become the lets hate on everything that is good and popular.

#14 Posted by S0lidSnake (29001 posts) -

Nintendo is a Publisher.

#15 Posted by Randolph (10542 posts) -

@S0lidSnake said:

Nintendo is a Publisher.

Yeah, it's getting hard to peg them down. Developed by Nintendo, ok, which part of Nintendo? The Retro area? Tokyo EAD? One of the other teams under the umbrella? My vote went to Square-Enix. They have done absolutely nothing this generation that is worth mentioning, aside form running Final Fantasy into the ground with a bad game and two sequels no one asked for to same said game.

#16 Posted by Jacanuk (5860 posts) -

@S0lidSnake said:

Nintendo is a Publisher.

And a developer

Also Nintendo isn't just a publisher, they are also a console maker. So arguing about what they are is kinda stupid.

#17 Posted by Kats_RK (2080 posts) -

Valve.

#18 Edited by uninspiredcup (13559 posts) -

Anyone who lists Valve as overrated are practically advertising they know nothing about gaming.

#19 Posted by UpInFlames (13281 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@S0lidSnake said:

Nintendo is a Publisher.

And a developer

Also Nintendo isn't just a publisher, they are also a console maker. So arguing about what they are is kinda stupid.

Nintendo as a whole is a publisher in the same way that EA and Activision are publishers. Nintendo EAD, Intelligent Sytems, Retro, HAL Laboratory are developers just like EA Canada, EA Tiburon, BioWare and DICE are developers. I don't understand why people think this applies to everyone except Nintendo.

#20 Posted by sukraj (24187 posts) -

Valve and Naughty Dog

#21 Posted by ZEYAAM898 (1921 posts) -

Square Enix

#22 Edited by contracts420 (1956 posts) -

If you have chosen any developer off that list other than Treyarch/Infinity Ward than you must have some sort of bitter resentment of whichever solid dev team you did pick.

Take a look at any COD campaign, lack of gameplay variety and one use gimmicks which are often tied to QTE-like mechanics. You could say the same for many of the weapons, vehicles and more. The stealth sections have you follow a very specific path usually alongside an A.I partner who instructs the player of every move they must make, failure to do so often results in a mission failure. They do little to give the player freedom when on foot and set up each area like a shooting gallery. Add in fairly bland visuals, muted sound design, uninteresting story and characters and all you're left with is a solid multiplayer offering.

#23 Posted by UpInFlames (13281 posts) -

@contracts420 said:

If you have chosen any developer off that list other than Treyarch/Infinity Ward than you must have some sort of bitter resentment of whichever solid dev team you did pick.

Treyarch/Infinity Ward/Call of Duty are widely hated and despised so you can't really say that they're overrated. But they're the worst of the bunch, that's for sure.

#24 Edited by MirkoS77 (8588 posts) -

Bethesda. Skyrim has got to be one of the most overrated games in the history of gaming. It's a perfect example of something being better than the sum of its parts. Nothing is particularly well done in any of Bethesda's games.

Kojima also. Well ok: good developer, shitty writer (if he can even be called that).

I also am beginning to find Nintendo to be lacking. Lazy and boring.

#25 Posted by contracts420 (1956 posts) -

@UpInFlames:

This is a thread based around which developer is overrated. Not a community popularity contest. We're talking about a series that constantly scores very well considering the train wreck of titles they have produced over the years yet still garner nominations across the board for their games and sell a ridiculous amount of copies.

The fact that anyone would even put Rockstar, Naughty Dog, Valve, Bungie, Rocksteady and Nintendo on this list is a damn tragedy. I understand some people here dislike Naughty Dog, I disagree with you and those people and I'm sure most on these forums would as well. But putting them up is just wrong. Also anyone who votes Valve should instantly have their account banned. This is a great developer who focuses on fantastic design while retaining an interesting narrative line without ever interrupting gameplay. They are not my favourite but I highly respect what they do and so should everyone else.

It's also disgusting that Rockstar has more votes than Ubisoft, while I enjoy their titles I am not going to put them up at the top with Rockstar who deserves every bit of praise they have received over the years.

#26 Posted by UpInFlames (13281 posts) -

@contracts420 said:

@UpInFlames:

This is a thread based around which developer is overrated. Not a community popularity contest. We're talking about a series that constantly scores very well considering the train wreck of titles they have produced over the years yet still garner nominations across the board for their games and sell a ridiculous amount of copies.

The fact that anyone would even put Rockstar, Naughty Dog, Valve, Bungie, Rocksteady and Nintendo on this list is a damn tragedy. I understand some people here dislike Naughty Dog, I disagree with you and those people and I'm sure most on these forums would as well. But putting them up is just wrong. Also anyone who votes Valve should instantly have their account banned. This is a great developer who focuses on fantastic design while retaining an interesting narrative line without ever interrupting gameplay. They are not my favourite but I highly respect what they do and so should everyone else.

It's also disgusting that Rockstar has more votes than Ubisoft, while I enjoy their titles I am not going to put them up at the top with Rockstar who deserves every bit of praise they have received over the years.

I don't think this thread is based on reviews and sales exclusively, at least I didn't perceive it as such, but rather on which widely beloved and respected developer you personally think doesn't deserve the praise it gets. And like I said, Treyarch and Infinity Ward aren't widely beloved nor respected.

#27 Posted by muthsera666 (13271 posts) -

Adoration versus product quality is exactly what this discussion is about, not sales figures or industry contributions. I would assume that the inclusion of some favorited developers is the reason for the discussion; the TC isn't stating a belief that these developers necessarily are overrated, but that they have a lot of adoration and inquiring as to their deservedness.

#28 Posted by LJS9502_basic (152919 posts) -

EA....where are they in the list?

#29 Edited by Pedro (21550 posts) -

Valve is the emperor of all overrated developers.

#30 Posted by Jacanuk (5860 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

EA....where are they in the list?

The question was "Which developer is overrated" which means it has a good public image or widely recognized for the games.

Do you think EA have a good public image?

#31 Posted by Randolph (10542 posts) -

Half-Life series, Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead series, and the sheer genius of the Portal games. I'm utterly flabbergasted how a dev with this kind of credentials is overrated.

#32 Edited by Jacanuk (5860 posts) -

@Randolph said:

Half-Life series, Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead series, and the sheer genius of the Portal games. I'm utterly flabbergasted how a dev with this kind of credentials is overrated.

2 Portal games

2 Halflife games

2 TF games

2 L4D games

In 20 years , compare that to many of the other developers and how many hits they have released, i would say its pretty clear why Valve is overrated.

#34 Posted by muthsera666 (13271 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@Randolph said:

Half-Life series, Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead series, and the sheer genius of the Portal games. I'm utterly flabbergasted how a dev with this kind of credentials is overrated.

2 Portal games

2 Halflife games

2 TF games

2 L4D games

In 20 years , compare that to many of the other developers and how many hits they have released, i would say its pretty clear why Valve is overrated.

Some would argue the influence of these relatively few games have had on the current status of the gaming industry rises about a sheer number of good releases.

#35 Posted by UpInFlames (13281 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@Randolph said:

Half-Life series, Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead series, and the sheer genius of the Portal games. I'm utterly flabbergasted how a dev with this kind of credentials is overrated.

2 Portal games

2 Halflife games

2 TF games

2 L4D games

In 20 years , compare that to many of the other developers and how many hits they have released, i would say its pretty clear why Valve is overrated.

There is no developer that released more games than Valve in the past 10 years - no one has released at least one game per year except Valve:

  1. Half-Life 2 (2004)
  2. Counter-Strike: Source (2004)
  3. Day of Defeat: Source (2005)
  4. Half-Life 2: Episode One (2006)
  5. Half-Life 2: Episode Two (2007)
  6. Portal (2007)
  7. Team Fortress 2 (2007)
  8. Left 4 Dead (2008)
  9. Left 4 Dead 2 (2009)
  10. Alien Swarm (2010)
  11. Portal 2 (2011)
  12. Counter-Strike: Global Offensive (2012)
  13. Dota 2 (2013)
#36 Edited by platinumking320 (667 posts) -

@Jacanuk: from video games to historic film trilogies, a lot of franchises either screw up or lose their sophomoric magic on iteration number 3

Either it's superstition at this point, or its them formally declaring to world that they frankly gave up on concluding half-life back in 2008 if another franchise gets a 3.

#37 Posted by Revixe06 (1021 posts) -

Valve

#38 Posted by WR_Platinum (4667 posts) -

You didn't mention Quantam Dream and Bethesda.

#39 Posted by buccomatic (1941 posts) -

bungie, ubisoft

bungie is a joke and ubisoft uplay is horrible - far worse than origin.

#40 Edited by ARKphoenix2k (325 posts) -

Bethesda not on the list? Why the fuck not? Easily one of the most overrated developers. I beat both Oblivion and Fallout 3 and thought they were trash. I decided to buy Skyrim when it was on sale and my word... I only paid £15 and it was £15 too much, what absolute rubbish.

And Valve... they're OK, but Half-Life is DEFINITELY one of the most overrated games ever.

#41 Edited by dipdish (874 posts) -

Actually, Valve is amazing.

#42 Edited by Jacanuk (5860 posts) -

@UpInFlames said:

@Jacanuk said:

@Randolph said:

Half-Life series, Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead series, and the sheer genius of the Portal games. I'm utterly flabbergasted how a dev with this kind of credentials is overrated.

2 Portal games

2 Halflife games

2 TF games

2 L4D games

In 20 years , compare that to many of the other developers and how many hits they have released, i would say its pretty clear why Valve is overrated.

There is no developer that released more games than Valve in the past 10 years - no one has released at least one game per year except Valve:

  1. Half-Life 2 (2004)
  2. Counter-Strike: Source (2004)
  3. Day of Defeat: Source (2005)
  4. Half-Life 2: Episode One (2006)
  5. Half-Life 2: Episode Two (2007)
  6. Portal (2007)
  7. Team Fortress 2 (2007)
  8. Left 4 Dead (2008)
  9. Left 4 Dead 2 (2009)
  10. Alien Swarm (2010)
  11. Portal 2 (2011)
  12. Counter-Strike: Global Offensive (2012)
  13. Dota 2 (2013)

If you take away sequels and games they didn´t actually make but just bought, what is there left.

#43 Posted by Pedro (21550 posts) -

@UpInFlames said:

There is no developer that released more games than Valve in the past 10 years - no one has released at least one game per year except Valve:

  1. Half-Life 2 (2004)
  2. Counter-Strike: Source (2004)
  3. Day of Defeat: Source (2005)
  4. Half-Life 2: Episode One (2006)
  5. Half-Life 2: Episode Two (2007)
  6. Portal (2007)
  7. Team Fortress 2 (2007)
  8. Left 4 Dead (2008)
  9. Left 4 Dead 2 (2009)
  10. Alien Swarm (2010)
  11. Portal 2 (2011)
  12. Counter-Strike: Global Offensive (2012)
  13. Dota 2 (2013)

Nintendo.

#44 Posted by UpInFlames (13281 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

If you take away sequels and games they didn´t actually make but just bought, what is there left.

Yes well, there will always be some kind of a meaningless parameter you can use, but the fact remains that you made a claim which is simply not true.

All of those games were developed by Valve or at least co-developed. Just take a look at Turtle Rock's Left 4 Dead and then look at the final game. If you take away sequels, then I'm afraid nobody anywhere made any games.

#45 Posted by UpInFlames (13281 posts) -

@Pedro said:

Nintendo.

Nintendo is a publisher just like EA. The actual developers are Nintendo EAD, Intelligent Systems, HAL Laboratory just like EA Tiburon, EA Canada, DICE...

#46 Posted by Trail_Mix (2579 posts) -

Naughty Dog, Valve, Valve, Valve, Valve, Valve, Naughty Dog, Valve.

#47 Posted by n00bkid (4162 posts) -

Ubisoft for sure unfortunately.

#48 Posted by AvatarMan96 (7324 posts) -

Out of the choices on the poll, I went with Kojima, Infinity Ward/Treyarch, and Bungie

#49 Posted by Jacanuk (5860 posts) -

@UpInFlames said:

@Pedro said:

Nintendo.

Nintendo is a publisher just like EA. The actual developers are Nintendo EAD, Intelligent Systems, HAL Laboratory just like EA Tiburon, EA Canada, DICE...

Wrong, Nintendo is a company which branches out, so calling Nintendo a developer is as right as calling them a console manufacturer, they have in house dev teams, so unless they hire outside , its Nintendo who develop games.

#50 Edited by UpInFlames (13281 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@UpInFlames said:

@Pedro said:

Nintendo.

Nintendo is a publisher just like EA. The actual developers are Nintendo EAD, Intelligent Systems, HAL Laboratory just like EA Tiburon, EA Canada, DICE...

Wrong, Nintendo is a company which branches out, so calling Nintendo a developer is as right as calling them a console manufacturer, they have in house dev teams, so unless they hire outside , its Nintendo who develop games.

So Microsoft, Sony, EA, Activision are also developers?

The same rules and definitions apply to everyone and Nintendo is in no way, shape or form exempt from them.