Two 12-year old girls stab friend over video game

#1 Edited by Jimmy_Russell (772 posts) -

Original Article

Two Wisconsin girls, aged 12, have stabbed their best friend nearly to death in the woods to please the "Slender Man," a fictional video game character. The girls thought that Slender Man would let them move into his mansion if they acted as his proxy by murder.

Do video games have a profound affect on the mentally ill? How could this have been prevented?

#2 Posted by Archangel3371 (15650 posts) -

This seems misleading to me. My understanding is that Slender Man is a fictonal character who was created outside of video games and appears in other mediums besides having appeared in a video game. It's also my understanding that the two girls attempted to kill the other girl because of the lore about having to commit murder to appease Slender Man which they found on a web site. Trying to link this to video games or even a specific video game is tenuous at best.

#3 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (13044 posts) -

Mentally Ill ?

Sounds like two normal girls who just went crazy.

@Archangel3371

If my popculture knowledge is correct.... Slender Man originated from the internet.... The exact details escape me....

#4 Edited by Jacanuk (4541 posts) -

@jimmy_russell said:

Original Article

Two Wisconsin girls, aged 12, have stabbed their best friend nearly to death in the woods to please the "Slender Man," a fictional video game character. The girls thought that Slender Man would let them move into his mansion if they acted as his proxy by murder.

Do video games have a profound affect on the mentally ill? How could this have been prevented?

Yes Video games is evil so please stop playing them right now.

On a more serious note, Slender man is indeed as the above mention a fictional character which had a videogame based on it and the lore surrounding the myth.

So pointing the blame on a videogame is just stupid.

This is two mentally ill unstable kids whose parents and society failed them.. and thats the sad thing. Instead of looking at themselfs they blame videogames

#5 Edited by JustPlainLucas (74013 posts) -

Maybe I'm missing something, but the article does not mention anything at all about video games. Yes, as some said, a video game character was created using the Slender Man myth, but everything I've read was that they only learned about it through a website. This could have been any numerous myths they decided to appease.

My question to you, TC, is why are you so quick to blame video games for this incident?

#6 Posted by The_Last_Ride (71822 posts) -

So where were the parents?

#7 Posted by Crypt_mx (4124 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

So where were the parents?

No one ever blames parents. Blame the schools, blame the kids, blame the weapons (guns mostly) but don't you ever dare point your finger at that person who's taught them everything since birth. In 90% of cases where kids just lose their mind and do some crazy shit, the parents are the cause.

People might blame games or the internet for this one...I'm gonna keep pointing my finger.

#8 Posted by The_Last_Ride (71822 posts) -

@Crypt_mx said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

So where were the parents?

No one ever blames parents. Blame the schools, blame the kids, blame the weapons (guns mostly) but don't you ever dare point your finger at that person who's taught them everything since birth. In 90% of cases where kids just lose their mind and do some crazy shit, the parents are the cause.

People might blame games or the internet for this one...I'm gonna keep pointing my finger.

Hell why not blame the kids for actually doing it. They might just be mental

#9 Posted by Jacanuk (4541 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Crypt_mx said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

So where were the parents?

No one ever blames parents. Blame the schools, blame the kids, blame the weapons (guns mostly) but don't you ever dare point your finger at that person who's taught them everything since birth. In 90% of cases where kids just lose their mind and do some crazy shit, the parents are the cause.

People might blame games or the internet for this one...I'm gonna keep pointing my finger.

Hell why not blame the kids for actually doing it. They might just be mental

Its just kids Ride.

But Crypt is right, the main culprit is the parents, and thats parents in every area of the scale. from the seemingly caring umbrella parents to the sick twisted dweeps who never should have had kids.

#10 Posted by Morphic (4342 posts) -

It wasnt video games. They said they got the idea from Creepypasta site and slenderman stories are on there.

#11 Edited by MLBknights58 (5015 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

So where were the parents?

#12 Edited by jdc6305 (3878 posts) -

Theres a difference between being mentally ill and being a psychopath. I came down with paranoid schizophrenia 18 years ago and I'm not a murderer. Learn the difference. Most mentally ill people don't commit crimes. People that are mentally ill and commit crimes are criminally insane and unable to know write from wrong. People who kill in cold blood and know it's wrong but do it anyways are psychopaths. 1 in 10 people are psychopaths. 1 in 100 have schizophrenia.

#13 Edited by Behardy24 (4212 posts) -

It sounds like young kids doing extreme things.

#14 Posted by mattykovax (22693 posts) -

For those wondering slenderman was created in a photo contest at the something rotten site. it has since become one of the biggest inspirations for creepypasta and spinpasta. the mythology has nothing to do with the games those are just game versions of fanfic, so yeah they may not even have played the game though its would not be the games fault. Anything can inspire those on the edge and have since the beginning of time. There are just as many that have killed for the bible and I am not talking inquisitions or holy wars, I mean garden variety psychos. I do believe media such as books, movies, games etc can be a catalyst and inspiritaion to the unquiet mind, but it is never the root cause.

#15 Posted by Behardy24 (4212 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

So where were the parents?

This.

#16 Posted by mattykovax (22693 posts) -

@jdc6305 said:

Theres a difference between being mentally ill and being a psychopath. I came down with paranoid schizophrenia 18 years ago and I'm not a murderer. Learn the difference. Most mentally ill people don't commit crimes. People that are mentally ill and commit crimes are criminally insane and unable to know write from wrong. People who kill in cold blood and know it's wrong but do it anyways are psychopaths. 1 in 10 people are psychopaths. 1 in 100 have schizophrenia.

Um....while the mentally ill are not all psychopaths , psychopaths are mentally ill. While I agree that most mentaly ill people are not dangerous your self preservation instincts are leading you into faulty thinking. Psychopaths are as mentally ill as a schizophrenic, its just a different type of mental illness. And most people that murder in cold blood and know its wrong are not psychopaths, there is more to being a psychopath than that.

#17 Posted by Old_Gooseberry (3672 posts) -

can't even trust your own friends. What a shame. When I was 12 I didn't have any thoughts like this...

i wonder if the internet could be to blame, seems sick minds get too much access to information too easily these days and this happens.

But they must be have been slightly retarded to think that killing their friend would get them into slendermans bachelor pad.

#18 Posted by speedfog (3201 posts) -

It has nothing to do with the game, they did it cus they read it on creepy paste.
Should have posted this on off topic.

#19 Edited by sabretooth2066 (301 posts) -

mentally ill people could be affected by videogames, by movies, by media news, by newspapers, by books, by comics, hell they could even be affected by the bedtime-stories told from their parents....

......yeah...lets just forbid all those things

#20 Posted by Jimmy_Russell (772 posts) -

@JustPlainLucas said:

Maybe I'm missing something, but the article does not mention anything at all about video games. Yes, as some said, a video game character was created using the Slender Man myth, but everything I've read was that they only learned about it through a website. This could have been any numerous myths they decided to appease.

My question to you, TC, is why are you so quick to blame video games for this incident?

I did not blame video games. I merely asked if video games have a profound affect on those suffering from mental illness. And I also asked us as a community to discuss what we could have done to prevent this, parents included.

#21 Posted by mattykovax (22693 posts) -

@jimmy_russell said:

@JustPlainLucas said:

Maybe I'm missing something, but the article does not mention anything at all about video games. Yes, as some said, a video game character was created using the Slender Man myth, but everything I've read was that they only learned about it through a website. This could have been any numerous myths they decided to appease.

My question to you, TC, is why are you so quick to blame video games for this incident?

I did not blame video games. I merely asked if video games have a profound affect on those suffering from mental illness. And I also asked us as a community to discuss what we could have done to prevent this, parents included.

Parents, and those around people need to take it seriously when they see signs of behavior problems or mental instability. And that is still not going to weed out all of the problems. So we do what the human species has done from the beginning of time, move on and live. However if we want to prevent as I said its about the people, not media in general. There is no need to punish everyone over the actions of a few mentally ill or not.

It reminds from when I was young some kid killed himself while listening to an Ozzy album that had the song Suicide Solution. the parents then sued. However the facts are that the song is about alcoholism not a call to suicide, and there are I am sure hundreds of thousands if not more since the songs release that have listened to that song with no adverse affects. So maybe parents as individuals and society as a whole need stop looking for blame after the fact and look to underlying issues. maybe if we stopped attacking the symptoms (violent playing or watching violent material, suicidal listening,watching,playing depressing things, Etc) and actually recognized and treated the root causes of these issues (behavior of and what makes these individuals, violent, depressed, etc) we may be able to start reducing the problem without clouding the issue or attacking mediaq enjoyed by a majority that do not display those behaviours.

I know this is all over the place but its really the only way I can verbalize the issue.

Plus, if they have tose signs they should be kept from some kinds of media. As I said in an earlier post they are not the root cause but can be a catalyst. When Stephen king took his early work rage out of print because of it being in kip kinkels locker, he did not think he should have to but was doing it willingly out of respect for the dead, he also went on to say while he truly believes the kid may have got a blueprint for how to do it from the book, the book itself did not cause it that was already there, the book just gave the kid ideas. That is what I believe.

Rant Over.

#22 Edited by Jimmy_Russell (772 posts) -

@mattykovax: Yeah I agree with you that we are quick to blame the media rather than the society that raises us. I admit to using a sensationalist angle in the title to grab the attention of gamers here. There's obviously a ton of underlying issues that need to be weeded out, discussed to death and then fixed for the benefit of mankind and the posterity of the human race. It makes me very sad to read a story like this, and I can't help but feel the need to discuss it with people to get the issue out there to parents, and maybe more concern will be placed in areas that need our attention. Thanks for your well-thought response Matty.

#23 Posted by ShepardCommandr (2689 posts) -

this has nothing to do with games

Slenderman is a popular urban legend

#24 Edited by JustPlainLucas (74013 posts) -

@jimmy_russell said:

@JustPlainLucas said:

Maybe I'm missing something, but the article does not mention anything at all about video games. Yes, as some said, a video game character was created using the Slender Man myth, but everything I've read was that they only learned about it through a website. This could have been any numerous myths they decided to appease.

My question to you, TC, is why are you so quick to blame video games for this incident?

I did not blame video games. I merely asked if video games have a profound affect on those suffering from mental illness. And I also asked us as a community to discuss what we could have done to prevent this, parents included.

Your topic title inherently framed it as such. As I said, there was no indication at all in the article that there was a game involved in this. It seems like you took an incident and reached for some way to connect it to a video game to start up a debate about video games affecting mentally ill people. If that's what you wanted to talk about it, simply state it as such. Don't mislead people with topics connecting things that may not be connected.

#25 Edited by Jimmy_Russell (772 posts) -

@JustPlainLucas said:
Don't mislead people with topics connecting things that may not be connected.

But Eddie @GameSpot does that all the time, why can't I? :(