Theory about Rare Ltd.

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#1 Posted by TransformerRobo (488 posts) -

There's this post I saw on YouTube by a guy named jordin mccoy (That's how he spelled it), and here's something interesting he said:

"I have a theory of why Rare is making bad games for Microsoft: they want to get fired, so they can go back to Nintendo, and make Banjo-Threeie, Conker's Next Bad Fur Day, and, yes, Tiptup Nuts and Bolts."

That seems like a likely theory to me, what about to you guys? Do you think Rare is trying to get themselves fired from Microsoft so they can come back to Nintendo?

#2 Posted by Jaysonguy (37520 posts) -

There's this post I saw on YouTube by a guy named jordin mccoy (That's how he spelled it), and here's something interesting he said:

"I have a theory of why Rare is making bad games for Microsoft: they want to get fired, so they can go back to Nintendo, and make Banjo-Threeie, Conker's Next Bad Fur Day, and, yes, Tiptup Nuts and Bolts."

That seems like a likely theory to me, what about to you guys? Do you think Rare is trying to get themselves fired from Microsoft so they can come back to Nintendo?

TransformerRobo

I don't know how much you know about Rare

You understand that they're the most profitable that they've ever been in the company's history right?

Why would Microsoft get rid of something that was making them money?

#3 Posted by TransformerRobo (488 posts) -

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

There's this post I saw on YouTube by a guy named jordin mccoy (That's how he spelled it), and here's something interesting he said:

"I have a theory of why Rare is making bad games for Microsoft: they want to get fired, so they can go back to Nintendo, and make Banjo-Threeie, Conker's Next Bad Fur Day, and, yes, Tiptup Nuts and Bolts."

That seems like a likely theory to me, what about to you guys? Do you think Rare is trying to get themselves fired from Microsoft so they can come back to Nintendo?

Jaysonguy

I don't know how much you know about Rare

You understand that they're the most profitable that they've ever been in the company's history right?

Why would Microsoft get rid of something that was making them money?

Because Rare has been making nothing but Wii Sports clones. It's like they're at least TRYING to make bad games (they succeeded with Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts).

#4 Posted by Justforvisit (5047 posts) -

You obviously never had a job, huh?

If they'd do that noone would want to work with them in the future anymore because it wouldn't be a good reference for future money-givers.

Also, gaming industry isn't like slavery. If they wouldn't want to work with them anymore, they'd just say bye bye.

Also, why on earth should the fact MS doesn't want to work with them anymore automatically employ them to Nintendo? Mind to explain?

Aaand....what would keep them off of doing so? You can have an exclusive right for a game or maybe a series, but nobody has the exclusive right to a whole company, except they've buyed them, which isn't the case as far as I know.

#5 Posted by TransformerRobo (488 posts) -

You obviously never had a job, huh?

If they'd do that noone would want to work with them in the future anymore because it wouldn't be a good reference for future money-givers.

Also, gaming industry isn't like slavery. If they wouldn't want to work with them anymore, they'd just say bye bye.

Also, why on earth should the fact MS doesn't want to work with them anymore automatically employ them to Nintendo? Mind to explain?

Aaand....what would keep them off of doing so? You can have an exclusive right for a game or maybe a series, but nobody has the exclusive right to a whole company, except they've buyed them, which isn't the case as far as I know.

Justforvisit

It's because of how the public views Microsoft and it's decisions made with Rare.

Besides, Nintendo is able to take companies who have screwed up and get them back on their feet. After all they allowed Sega to work on an F-Zero game and F-Zero GX was a masterpiece. Who's to say Nintendo couldn't fix Rare after Rare butchered Banjo Kazooie.

#6 Posted by Archangel3371 (15261 posts) -
That "theory" is just flat-out ridiculous.
#7 Posted by Namgis (3572 posts) -

They are making the games M$ wants them to. They are owned by M$. If a game is sub par, the blame is not solely on Rare. I don't get why people think the devs have final say to how the game is made. If I were to hire a developing company to make me a game, Is it their fault for listening to me? All M$ wants from them is what they are doing. I'm sure they would welcome a chance to make something other than Kinect titles. They're just not getting the chance.

#8 Posted by Black_Knight_00 (18196 posts) -
Sure, Satoru Iwata and Reggie would DEFINITELY greenlight another Conker rofl :lol:
#11 Posted by KnightSkull (1698 posts) -

Microsoft could fire every single person working for Rare right now or close the developer down completely, that wouldn't mean the now ex-Rare staff could go to Nintendo, or any other developer, and start working on a new Banjo, Conker or any other Rare IP as Microsoft would still own the rights to them. The only way they could work on them is if Microsoft sold Rare and/or the rights to those IP's.

#12 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

Sure, Satoru Iwata and Reggie would DEFINITELY greenlight another Conker rofl :lol:Black_Knight_00

Sooner than MS tbh...

#13 Posted by TransformerRobo (488 posts) -

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Sure, Satoru Iwata and Reggie would DEFINITELY greenlight another Conker rofl :lol:nameless12345

Sooner than MS tbh...

My point stands. Rare hasn't made a good game in over 5 years.

#14 Posted by Namgis (3572 posts) -

My point stands. Rare hasn't made a good game in over 5 years.

TransformerRobo

M$ hasn't allowed them to do so. They have been told to make Kinect titles, that's what they're doing.

#15 Posted by TransformerRobo (488 posts) -

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

My point stands. Rare hasn't made a good game in over 5 years.

Namgis

M$ hasn't allowed them to do so. They have been told to make Kinect titles, that's what they're doing.

Just as I said, they haven't made a GOOD game in over 5 years. Microsoft has been throwing away so many missed opportunities with Rare that it's gotten hopeless.

#16 Posted by Namgis (3572 posts) -

Wasn't your original point that they were making bad games in order to get fired? No one will deny they have been wasted. But is that their fault? The blame starts at the top. I'm sure they haven't put forth their full effort, but saying they are purposefully slacking in order to move to another company is laughable. How many of the team that brought us the 'great' games are still there? I'm sure the people who wanted to do more than make Kinect games have left to do so.

#17 Posted by Black_Knight_00 (18196 posts) -

[QUOTE="Namgis"]

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

My point stands. Rare hasn't made a good game in over 5 years.

TransformerRobo

M$ hasn't allowed them to do so. They have been told to make Kinect titles, that's what they're doing.

Just as I said, they haven't made a GOOD game in over 5 years. Microsoft has been throwing away so many missed opportunities with Rare that it's gotten hopeless.

That's because most of the original talent has left. By now only the Rare logo remains. That's why they get stuck with making sh*t kinect games.

It's the people who make a great studio, not the name.

#18 Posted by wiouds (5018 posts) -

It funny how Microsoft is portray as the evil one in Rare event happening.

Microsoft bought a game developer what as been known to make outstanding games. Then Rare just started to ride their past games letting Microsoft take the blame for them.

#19 Posted by TransformerRobo (488 posts) -

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

[QUOTE="Namgis"]

M$ hasn't allowed them to do so. They have been told to make Kinect titles, that's what they're doing.

Black_Knight_00

Just as I said, they haven't made a GOOD game in over 5 years. Microsoft has been throwing away so many missed opportunities with Rare that it's gotten hopeless.

That's because most of the original talent has left. By now only the Rare logo remains. That's why they get stuck with making sh*t kinect games.

It's the people who make a great studio, not the name.

Might as well change their name from Rare to Repulsive.

#20 Posted by 1PMrFister (3134 posts) -
That "theory" is just flat-out ridiculous.Archangel3371
#21 Posted by Black_Knight_00 (18196 posts) -

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

Just as I said, they haven't made a GOOD game in over 5 years. Microsoft has been throwing away so many missed opportunities with Rare that it's gotten hopeless.

TransformerRobo

That's because most of the original talent has left. By now only the Rare logo remains. That's why they get stuck with making sh*t kinect games.

It's the people who make a great studio, not the name.

Might as well change their name from Rare to Repulsive.

I think that ship has sailed with their first kinect game
#22 Posted by TransformerRobo (488 posts) -

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"] That's because most of the original talent has left. By now only the Rare logo remains. That's why they get stuck with making sh*t kinect games.

It's the people who make a great studio, not the name.

Black_Knight_00

Might as well change their name from Rare to Repulsive.

I think that ship has sailed with their first kinect game

Which is just a Wii Sports clone.

#23 Posted by TrainerCeleste (1774 posts) -
Nuts and Bolts was actually really fun :P YOu got to make such silly vehicles and it was fun collecting all the parts xD It was different yes, but you know what I kinda enjoyed the change :P
#24 Posted by Archangel3371 (15261 posts) -
Well as far as I'm concerned Rare's been as good as they've always been if not better. Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero, Viva Pinata 1 & 2, and Banjo Nuts & Bolts were all excellent games with Nuts & Bolts sporting some great visuals. I can't comment on the Kinect games though since I've never played them.
#25 Posted by TrainerCeleste (1774 posts) -
Well as far as I'm concerned Rare's been as good as they've always been if not better. Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero, Viva Pinata 1 & 2, and Banjo Nuts & Bolts were all excellent games with Nuts & Bolts sporting some great visuals. I can't comment on the Kinect games though since I've never played them.Archangel3371
YES! I don't get why everyone was complaining about nuts and bolts. It's like everyone was crying it wasn't the traditional Banjo clone. Once you got into it, the game was so fun xD Viva Pinata was genius, and PDZ was ok as well :P They make me miss my xbox actually xP
#26 Posted by Black_Knight_00 (18196 posts) -

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

Might as well change their name from Rare to Repulsive.

TransformerRobo

I think that ship has sailed with their first kinect game

Which is just a Wii Sports clone.

Part of why it sucks
#27 Posted by TheSacredFlame (324 posts) -

Well, that theory is completely false. The very idea of a company doing poorly on purpose because of an agenda they're trying to accomplish doesn't make any sense at all.

Rare is developing the type of games that Microsoft has instructed them to do. That's all.

#28 Posted by TransformerRobo (488 posts) -

Well, that theory is completely false. The very idea of a company doing poorly on purpose because of an agenda they're trying to accomplish doesn't make any sense at all.

Rare is developing the type of games that Microsoft has instructed them to do. That's all.

TheSacredFlame

Then Microsoft needs to get their act together and get Rare to make GOOD games, not just Wii Sports clones.

And the reasons so many people hate Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts are because it made Kazooie useless, took away all the components of the first 2 games that made them so great, made the objectives boring and irritating, characters like Mumbo and Humba Wumba are reduced to boring extras, and the process of getting Jiggies had become dull and uninteresting.

#29 Posted by skrat_01 (33767 posts) -
And that's a pretty terrible notion. The core developers at Rare are all long gone. Rare means nothing these days, it's a completely different company, and it's a Microsoft company. It's not autonomous in the slightest. And now the Free Radical is long gone (mostly absorbed by Crytek), there are former Rare employees everywhere. You don't get a company 'fired' from Microsoft. That's not how businesses work. Rare is gone, the reason they're making terrible Kinect stuff, is because that's what Microsoft wants them to do - they're a, if not the Kinect division. Honestly I have no clue why people come up with such absurd reasoning and rationals when there are so many interviews, and sources of information there on the web.
#30 Posted by TransformerRobo (488 posts) -

And that's a pretty terrible notion. The core developers at Rare are all long gone. Rare means nothing these days, it's a completely different company, and it's a Microsoft company. It's not autonomous in the slightest. And now the Free Radical is long gone (mostly absorbed by Crytek), there are former Rare employees everywhere. You don't get a company 'fired' from Microsoft. That's not how businesses work. Rare is gone, the reason they're making terrible Kinect stuff, is because that's what Microsoft wants them to do - they're a, if not the Kinect division. Honestly I have no clue why people come up with such absurd reasoning and rationals when there are so many interviews, and sources of information there on the web.skrat_01

Because by destroying Rare Microsoft ripped out a chunk of our souls we'll never get back. So yes, it's a personal bias.

#31 Posted by skrat_01 (33767 posts) -

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]And that's a pretty terrible notion. The core developers at Rare are all long gone. Rare means nothing these days, it's a completely different company, and it's a Microsoft company. It's not autonomous in the slightest. And now the Free Radical is long gone (mostly absorbed by Crytek), there are former Rare employees everywhere. You don't get a company 'fired' from Microsoft. That's not how businesses work. Rare is gone, the reason they're making terrible Kinect stuff, is because that's what Microsoft wants them to do - they're a, if not the Kinect division. Honestly I have no clue why people come up with such absurd reasoning and rationals when there are so many interviews, and sources of information there on the web.TransformerRobo

Because by destroying Rare Microsoft ripped out a chunk of our souls we'll never get back. So yes, it's a personal bias.

And that has happened to too many game companies. I'm sad that Bullfrog and Westwood were eviscerated by EA, and Looking Glass shut its doors. It happens. The sooner you take Rare for what it is nowadays - Microsoft - the sooner the bitterness will go.
#32 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

[QUOTE="Archangel3371"]Well as far as I'm concerned Rare's been as good as they've always been if not better. Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero, Viva Pinata 1 & 2, and Banjo Nuts & Bolts were all excellent games with Nuts & Bolts sporting some great visuals. I can't comment on the Kinect games though since I've never played them.TrainerCeleste
YES! I don't get why everyone was complaining about nuts and bolts. It's like everyone was crying it wasn't the traditional Banjo clone. Once you got into it, the game was so fun xD Viva Pinata was genius, and PDZ was ok as well :P They make me miss my xbox actually xP

lol

No.


(inb4 "you didn't play them"; Well, yes I did. They didn't hold a candle to the games they made on Nintendo's platforms.)

#33 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]And that's a pretty terrible notion. The core developers at Rare are all long gone. Rare means nothing these days, it's a completely different company, and it's a Microsoft company. It's not autonomous in the slightest. And now the Free Radical is long gone (mostly absorbed by Crytek), there are former Rare employees everywhere. You don't get a company 'fired' from Microsoft. That's not how businesses work. Rare is gone, the reason they're making terrible Kinect stuff, is because that's what Microsoft wants them to do - they're a, if not the Kinect division. Honestly I have no clue why people come up with such absurd reasoning and rationals when there are so many interviews, and sources of information there on the web.skrat_01

Because by destroying Rare Microsoft ripped out a chunk of our souls we'll never get back. So yes, it's a personal bias.

And that has happened to too many game companies. I'm sad that Bullfrog and Westwood were eviscerated by EA, and Looking Glass shut its doors. It happens. The sooner you take Rare for what it is nowadays - Microsoft - the sooner the bitterness will go.

Don't forget Shiny and Origin.