Sony widens PS3 marketing, to focus on blu-ray.

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#1 Posted by dvader654 (44752 posts) -

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6439199.html

Sony is preparing to hype the PS3 as the most comprehensive Blu-ray Disc player available on the market. Currently, PS3 is the only device that features a Web-enabled Blu-ray player, although no studio has released a Blu-ray title boasting Web-based content.

"Our goal is to definitely widen our target base and not be so niche," said Kim Nguyen, PS3 manager. "We are not all about shoot 'em-up bloody games.There are friendly games."

She added, "This is high-def entertainment messaging, where we have our exclusive software titles, and we are delivering a very powerful machine. On the movie side, you have beautiful movies that you can watch on the PS3. We are going for that larger audience."

Nguyen said a TV, print and online blitz will push these various talking points during the back half of the year, leading toward the fourth quarter. She declined to give a specific launch date.

Wii has sold 5.84 million systems worldwide through March, Nintendo officials said last month. Launched near the same time last year, PS3 has sold 3 million units worldwide, Sony confirmed.

Michael Pachter, an analyst at Wedbush Morgan Securities, thinks marketing should boost PS3. He agrees that PS3 can improve upon how it singles out its Blu-ray functionality.

"What they want to do is position the consumer to start wanting the PS3 in time for Christmas," said Pachter, figuring advertising might start as early as June. Plus, Sony "needs to educate consumers on why they need a Blu-ray player."

Nguyen said PS3 supply has increased at retail and noted that between February and March of this year, PS3 was the only next-generation console to show a sales gain.

"The Wii was down 22%, and the Xbox 360 was down 12%, and we were up 2%," said Nguyen, citing U.S. statistics from NPD Funworld.

However, PS3 still lagged in March sales, moving 130,000 units, compared to Wii's 260,000 units sold and Xbox 360's 200,000 units sold.

"The timing is definitely right [for renewed PS3 promotion], as the manufacturing issues have been ironed out," Nguyen said. "Retailers are getting an influx of supply, so it makes sense to ramp up marketing to coincide with that."

For me one of the most interesting aspects of this gen is to see how the once king of the industry handles being last place.  Its facinating to see how they got there, why its happening and what they will do to fix it.  This is one of those attempts but I dont like it.  They need to focus on games not that its a blu-ray player, they are in the dumps cause of that blu-ray player. Educate people on why they need a blu-ray player, what?!  They need to focus much more on Little Big Planet, Ratchet, Warhawk , Heavenly Sword, MGS4, and Home not that it could play movies.  Plus now its not even that good a deal anymroe, HD players are becoming cheaper and cheaper.  And enough of the spin, they were up 2% cause the feb numbers were pathetic.

I hope they turn things around but I dont like this idea.

#2 Posted by superartan (199 posts) -
I guess Blu-Ray will make them the most money if it manages to over take DVD so they rather concentrate on that  rather than try and concentrate on advertising PS3 for what it's meant to be which is a gaming system. Rather sad but oh well, it might manage to move lots of units tho which might help them get more third party support.
#3 Posted by CarnageHeart (18316 posts) -

I agree with you that focusing on blu-ray isn't the way to go (even if a game ever comes along which makes use of the blu-ray in a meaningful way, Sony should hype the game, not the technology which enables it) I'd say that marketing needs to focus on the quality exclusive games that are out now (Virtua Fighter 5, Motorstorm, Flow and Resistance) and to a lesser extent, quality multiplatform games like Oblivion, Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection (I say multiplatform because its on the PSP) and Marvel Ultimate Alliance. 

#4 Posted by ArchieGates (8843 posts) -

For me one of the most interesting aspects of this gen is to see how the once king of the industry handles being last place.  Its facinating to see how they got there, why its happening and what they will do to fix it.  This is one of those attempts but I dont like it.  They need to focus on games not that its a blu-ray player, they are in the dumps cause of that blu-ray player. Educate people on why they need a blu-ray player, what?!  They need to focus much more on Little Big Planet, Ratchet, Warhawk , Heavenly Sword, MGS4, and Home not that it could play movies.  Plus now its not even that good a deal anymroe, HD players are becoming cheaper and cheaper.  And enough of the spin, they were up 2% cause the feb numbers were pathetic.

I hope they turn things around but I dont like this idea.

dvader654

I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition.  Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future.  Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.

The Blu Ray drive is their only trump card, so they're going to promote the heck out of it.  I don't know if it's going to work though.  I still have a hard time seeing too many people drop that kind of money on a console, Blu Ray or not.

What they need is some kind of amazinly sick looking Gran Turismo 5 video to make fence sitters feel that PS3 is at the top of the food chain.  The fallout from Gears of War is still evident.

#5 Posted by Alaris83 (1620 posts) -
Does this mean they're renaming the PS3 to "Blue-Ray Player  +++"?
#6 Posted by mike7677 (2426 posts) -
Maybe they should concentrate on cutting the price.
#7 Posted by TonicBH (720 posts) -

Here's the problem with promoting it more as a Blu-ray player: If the format fails (let's make this a what-if), then the marketing will have been blown, you're stuck with a dead format ala PSP's UMD, and you've more or less dug your own hole to jump into.

It needs to focus on all the aspects of the system, not just one of them.

#8 Posted by RoboticZombie (370 posts) -
they are hoping that this new marketing will do the same thing the dvd did to the ps2 and help them boost sales. Lets face it gamers know that it is strictly a gaming machine, but what about that person that doesn't play games but watches alot of movies,  they are trying to push it as a next gen movie player that happens to play games.
#9 Posted by GodModeEnabled (15314 posts) -
Focusing on Blu Ray is what got them into this mess in the first place for gods sake. I don't have a soloution for them, but then again thats not my worry, all I want is good games to justify the system. Keep the games coming and everything is icing on the cake.
#10 Posted by CarnageHeart (18316 posts) -
[QUOTE="dvader654"]

For me one of the most interesting aspects of this gen is to see how the once king of the industry handles being last place.  Its facinating to see how they got there, why its happening and what they will do to fix it.  This is one of those attempts but I dont like it.  They need to focus on games not that its a blu-ray player, they are in the dumps cause of that blu-ray player. Educate people on why they need a blu-ray player, what?!  They need to focus much more on Little Big Planet, Ratchet, Warhawk , Heavenly Sword, MGS4, and Home not that it could play movies.  Plus now its not even that good a deal anymroe, HD players are becoming cheaper and cheaper.  And enough of the spin, they were up 2% cause the feb numbers were pathetic.

I hope they turn things around but I dont like this idea.

ArchieGates

I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition.  Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future.  Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.

The Blu Ray drive is their only trump card, so they're going to promote the heck out of it.  I don't know if it's going to work though.  I still have a hard time seeing too many people drop that kind of money on a console, Blu Ray or not.

What they need is some kind of amazinly sick looking Gran Turismo 5 video to make fence sitters feel that PS3 is at the top of the food chain.  The fallout from Gears of War is still evident.

I agree with you about the PS3's library vi a vi the X360's, but looking backwards to determine how successful a game will be is always a bad idea, especially when a game makes a generational leap.  Looking backwards, GTA3 should have been a minor game, as opposed to the biggest game of the year.

GT may be Sony's biggest current franchise, but of late, its been a franchise in decline (GT4's lack of forward progress was highlighted by the excellent Forza), so unless Yamauchi turns it around, Sony would probably be smarter to throw Christmas 2007 marketing dollars behind the likes of Heavenly Sword, Warhawk (I'm not thrilled by the dropping of the campaign mode, but the online portion that remains looks cool), Lair and the inevitable SOCOM PS3 (the quality of the series has stayed high and the fact Sony's online plan is better this time around could signfigantly boost the popularity of the series).  Judging by past sales patterns, Playstation fans will be receptive to quality original games built from the ground up, Sony doesn't need to stress the familiar.

#11 Posted by yomi_basic (3915 posts) -
Why would you not talk about all the advantages of your product? It makes sense because it really ddoes seperate the PS3 from other systems. Now, I would not expect them to to build their whole campaign around this but as a part of their marketing it makes a lot of sense.
#12 Posted by UpInFlames (13279 posts) -

I don't recall shoot-em-ups having much blood at all. Besides, isn't the genre dead and buried? Oh my God, what a terrible attempt to make a crack about the competition.

Anyway, it's no big surprise they are focusing on Blu-Ray so much, Sony doesn't have that much going on right now and something needs to justify that price. Also, if Blu-Ray takes off, the royalties that will start pouring in will make PS3's market share loss very much acceptible, moot even.

 

#13 Posted by Acenso (2355 posts) -

Actually Sony has it right. Focus on BluRay for this year. To be frank...Thier line up for this year is meh at best. While the 360's could quite possible be even on par's with PS2's 2001. Not to mention Wii has all the right hype going for it. And PC is definitly primed to have a great year also unlike the past few slow ones. It is going to be very strong also.

The thing is...PS3 really can not stand up to either of them this Holiday season. It is kind of the season were they just have to make it through with it's head intact. It should be a bit easier to push then afterwards. But the Holiday season is just something they have to hope they get through. But now you may ask why I said Push BluRay. This will be the last season were BluRay can really be pushed as a "Cheaper player". They already are having players down to 500dollars now. What will it be like at the end of the year? 400...Maybe even 300. Not to mention Dell and other computer companies are now having them installed into thier drives. You may say it will help PS3 like it did the PS2...But the PS2 was not 500/600dollars. What may the prices be next year then? 200dollar players finally? Maybe even less? And also a Low-Ball could be MS releasing a BluRay Player for the 360. Like for 100dollars. An Xbox Elite plus BluRay the same price as the 60gig PS3. Not to mention the Prem with BluRay 100dollars less. Heck they could even make it a bundled. Not to mention how XBL is now the 2nd biggest media network for digital downloads right behind Ipod which is definitly attractive(Hint Sony...Use your resources).

It is just...The BluRay player in the PS3 is probably at its peak this year for appeal until the price gets really low for it. Not to mention MS can really cut Sony's feet under next year if they really want too. Your line up this year really is not that strong. Focus a bit more on the one thing you have over the competition and price cut.

#14 Posted by CarnageHeart (18316 posts) -

I don't recall shoot-em-ups having much blood at all. Besides, isn't the genre dead and buried? Oh my God, what a terrible attempt to make a crack about the competition.

Anyway, it's no big surprise they are focusing on Blu-Ray so much, Sony doesn't have that much going on right now and something needs to justify that price. Also, if Blu-Ray takes off, the royalties that will start pouring in will make PS3's market share loss very much acceptible, moot even.

 

UpInFlames

I wouldn't put such a shot past Sony, but my impression was that Sony (whose big launch game was the M rated shooter Resistance) was referring to themselves (they used 'our and we' as opposed to 'theirs and they' ) stating that they were going to put more focus on their 'casual' games in order to counter the Wii.  The article mentioned Singstar and Littlebigplanet. 

I don't know about Singstar, but I don't think Littlebigplanet is going to hold much appeal for people who have been scared off by traditional games. Judging by the GDC demo, Littlebigplanet makes level building quite easy, but its probably still more effort than people scared off by traditional games are willing to make, though it might do well among traditional gamers.  Time will tell.

#15 Posted by dvader654 (44752 posts) -

I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition.  Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future.  Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.

ArchieGates

Well in your opinion, but remember that same type of lineup (plus a ton of third party support) lead to the PS2 dominating the Xbox.  The Sony lineup is more than good enough to compete.

#16 Posted by gqman2121_basic (4322 posts) -
I really don't see how anyone can say that the system doesn't have a strong line up of third and fourth quarter games coming out. It's just as strong, if not more so depending on your taste than the other consoles.
#17 Posted by UpInFlames (13279 posts) -
I wouldn't put such a shot past Sony, but my impression was that Sony (whose big launch game was the M rated shooter Resistance) was referring to themselves (they used 'our and we' as opposed to 'theirs and they' ) stating that they were going to put more focus on their 'casual' games in order to counter the Wii.  The article mentioned Singstar and Littlebigplanet. 

I don't know about Singstar, but I don't think Littlebigplanet is going to hold much appeal for people who have been scared off by traditional games. Judging by the GDC demo, Littlebigplanet makes level building quite easy, but its probably still more effort than people scared off by traditional games are willing to make, though it might do well among traditional gamers.  Time will tell.CarnageHeart

I don't know Carnage, seems pretty clear to me:

"Our goal is to definitely widen our target base and not be so niche (like Microsoft is)," said Kim Nguyen, PS3 manager. "We are not all about shoot 'em-up bloody games (like Microsoft is)."

I don't really mind the crack, I actually enjoy when these guys try to put each other down (it's amusing), it's just that this one was so pitiful. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it.

Singstar will probably remain popular in Europe, I don't have a clue how it will perform in America, but I seriously doubt it's going to light up the charts or anything. As for LittleBigPlanet, who knows? The Sims was a fairly complex game yet it supposedly managed to attract new audiences - particularly women.

 

#18 Posted by ArchieGates (8843 posts) -
[QUOTE="ArchieGates"]

I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition.  Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future.  Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.

dvader654

Well in your opinion, but remember that same type of lineup (plus a ton of third party support) lead to the PS2 dominating the Xbox.  The Sony lineup is more than good enough to compete.

Sony's lineup is the same or worse than the PS2's was, while the 360 has a far better lineup in its second year than the Xbox did.  This gen is a whole new ballgame for games.  Walk into any video game store.  The PS3 is the console that lacks titles, not the 360.

#19 Posted by Lanezy (2438 posts) -
I think we need to look at the big picture here. Sony is a company that, like all companies, wants to make money. The inclusion of the Blu-Ray will help Sony win the format war. Blu-Ray as the new medium to watch movies would have enormous profits, more than the video game market. Sure, Sony's gaming division takes a hit, they probably anticipated that. But they are directly involved in two "wars" and I think it would pay off more if Blu-Ray wins. However, if Blu-Ray looses, my god help us! (and by us, I mean Sony)
#20 Posted by ASK_Story (11455 posts) -

I'm not comparing handhelds with consoles, but didn't the PSP fuzzle out because they focused more on the UMD's instead of games in the beginning?

I know, that's a bad analogy, but I guess my point is (which coincides with most on this forum) is that Sony's first focus should be the games, not the movies. I think Sony is either getting desperate or losing track on what they are really about. Playstation made a name for itself in providing the best gaming a console can offer not on the best hi-def movies they can offer. I didn't buy the PS2 to play DVDs. The PS2 was always first and foremost a game machine.

I think Sony is being hypocritical here. They said that the main focus for blu-ray was to enhance gaming since it holds more memory. For games, the Blu-ray is a great format because it allows developers to pack in more content in creating the best games possible. But really, for movies the blu-ray is rather unneccessary when you think about it, because it's really just a more expensive device that let's you do something that we can already do with our old machines. It really does nothing new. It's not a format change but more of a evolutionary device that enhances a already existing format. For example, me and most average consumers are completely happy with watching movies on a regular old DVD player. Why would I want to buy Casino Royale or Rocky Balboa for $29.99 on Blu-Ray when I could get it for $12 at Wal-Mart on a regular DVD? Or why would I want a Blu-Ray Resident Evil Apocaplyse when I could get it for less than $7 on DVD at Wal-Mart? It makes no sense to me, IMO.

All the Blu-Ray does is empty our wallets.

#21 Posted by Lanezy (2438 posts) -

I'm not comparing handhelds with consoles, but didn't the PSP fuzzle out because they focused more on the UMD's instead of games in the beginning?

I know, that's a bad analogy, but I guess my point is (which coincides with most on this forum) is that Sony's first focus should be the games, not the movies. I think Sony is either getting desperate or losing track on what they are really about. Playstation made a name for itself in providing the best gaming a console can offer not on the best hi-def movies they can offer. I didn't buy the PS2 to play DVDs. The PS2 was always first and foremost a game machine.

I think Sony is being hypocritical here. They said that the main focus for blu-ray was to enhance gaming since it holds more memory. For games, the Blu-ray is a great format because it allows developers to pack in more content in creating the best games possible. But really, for movies the blu-ray is rather unneccessary when you think about it, because it's really just a more expensive device that let's you do something that we can already do with our old machines. It really does nothing new. It's not a format change but more of a evolutionary device that enhances a already existing format. For example, me and most average consumers are completely happy with watching movies on a regular old DVD player. Why would I want to buy Casino Royale or Rocky Balboa for $29.99 on Blu-Ray when I could get it for $12 at Wal-Mart on a regular DVD? Or why would I want a Blu-Ray Resident Evil Apocaplyse when I could get it for less than $7 on DVD at Wal-Mart? It makes no sense to me, IMO.

All the Blu-Ray does is empty our wallets.

ASK_Story


I couldn't agree more.

I too believe that Blu-Ray brings very little to the table, especially for average consumers and their wallets. Let's look at what made people make the jump from VHS to DVD:

  • 16:9 aspect ratio (widescreen) - That means more picture! The director's vision!! And who doesn't want that?
  • Special feature - Now we can watch deleted scenes, outakes, lsiten to commentaries, etc.
  • Better quality movies - Great picture + great sound=Great movie watchin'
  • Chapter selections - Look ma! No more rewinding or fastforwarding.

 

I have yet to be convinced on why I should buy into Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Sure, they offer great sound and amazing picture, but is that all it's got? Don't I need a high definition TV and a sound system to really get the most out of it? Is it possible to say that both formats could fail due to lack of consumer demand?

#22 Posted by ASK_Story (11455 posts) -
[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

I'm not comparing handhelds with consoles, but didn't the PSP fuzzle out because they focused more on the UMD's instead of games in the beginning?

I know, that's a bad analogy, but I guess my point is (which coincides with most on this forum) is that Sony's first focus should be the games, not the movies. I think Sony is either getting desperate or losing track on what they are really about. Playstation made a name for itself in providing the best gaming a console can offer not on the best hi-def movies they can offer. I didn't buy the PS2 to play DVDs. The PS2 was always first and foremost a game machine.

I think Sony is being hypocritical here. They said that the main focus for blu-ray was to enhance gaming since it holds more memory. For games, the Blu-ray is a great format because it allows developers to pack in more content in creating the best games possible. But really, for movies the blu-ray is rather unneccessary when you think about it, because it's really just a more expensive device that let's you do something that we can already do with our old machines. It really does nothing new. It's not a format change but more of a evolutionary device that enhances a already existing format. For example, me and most average consumers are completely happy with watching movies on a regular old DVD player. Why would I want to buy Casino Royale or Rocky Balboa for $29.99 on Blu-Ray when I could get it for $12 at Wal-Mart on a regular DVD? Or why would I want a Blu-Ray Resident Evil Apocaplyse when I could get it for less than $7 on DVD at Wal-Mart? It makes no sense to me, IMO.

All the Blu-Ray does is empty our wallets.

Lanezy


I couldn't agree more.

I too believe that Blu-Ray brings very little to the table, especially for average consumers and their wallets. Let's look at what made people make the jump from VHS to DVD:

  • 16:9 aspect ratio (widescreen) - That means more picture! The director's vision!! And who doesn't want that?
  • Special feature - Now we can watch deleted scenes, outakes, lsiten to commentaries, etc.
  • Better quality movies - Great picture + great sound=Great movie watchin'
  • Chapter selections - Look ma! No more rewinding or fastforwarding.

 

I have yet to be convinced on why I should buy into Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Sure, they offer great sound and amazing picture, but is that all it's got? Don't I need a high definition TV and a sound system to really get the most out of it? Is it possible to say that both formats could fail due to lack of consumer demand?

Also, let's not leave out the lasting value of a DVD or Blu-ray movie. I mean, I have tons of old DVDs that I don't even watch anymore. Movies are only fun on their first-time through so they get boring right away. And when Blu-Ray's cost almost as much as a video game, it's really not worth it when you really consider what you're getting for how much you're paying for. I think that's the same reason what killed the UMDs. 

In other words, it's not worth it, unless you rent.

Also, I don't think there will be movies like The Quiet, Garden State, Pollack, Dads, In the Name of the Father, or Kramer vs Kramer available on Blu-Ray. Never heard of these movies? Exactly my point! But they are on DVD and cost only $9 at Best Buy! Get what I'm trying to say? ;)

#23 Posted by GodModeEnabled (15314 posts) -
[QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"]

I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition.  Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future.  Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.

ArchieGates

Well in your opinion, but remember that same type of lineup (plus a ton of third party support) lead to the PS2 dominating the Xbox.  The Sony lineup is more than good enough to compete.

Sony's lineup is the same or worse than the PS2's was, while the 360 has a far better lineup in its second year than the Xbox did.  This gen is a whole new ballgame for games.  Walk into any video game store.  The PS3 is the console that lacks titles, not the 360.

While thats true atm to be fair the 360 has a years head start on the PS3 so its not like we aren't going to see any good games on the PS3..
#24 Posted by Archangel3371 (15335 posts) -
Meh. I'm more interested in hearing about a price cut or two then anything else. There are a few games I want to play that are available for it now and I know there will be some more in the future it's just that the darn thing is too expensive for me right now.
#25 Posted by The_Duke_Lives (597 posts) -
[QUOTE="ArchieGates"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"]

I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition.  Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future.  Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.

GodModeEnabled

Well in your opinion, but remember that same type of lineup (plus a ton of third party support) lead to the PS2 dominating the Xbox.  The Sony lineup is more than good enough to compete.

Sony's lineup is the same or worse than the PS2's was, while the 360 has a far better lineup in its second year than the Xbox did.  This gen is a whole new ballgame for games.  Walk into any video game store.  The PS3 is the console that lacks titles, not the 360.

While thats true atm to be fair the 360 has a years head start on the PS3 so its not like we aren't going to see any good games on the PS3..

Unfortunately, most of us aren't really waiting for a few good games to be released on the PS3, we're waiting for a few to just at least be announced. I'll jump in at that point, whether the library at that time is of quality or not.
#26 Posted by GodModeEnabled (15314 posts) -
[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"]

I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition.  Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future.  Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.

The_Duke_Lives

Well in your opinion, but remember that same type of lineup (plus a ton of third party support) lead to the PS2 dominating the Xbox.  The Sony lineup is more than good enough to compete.

Sony's lineup is the same or worse than the PS2's was, while the 360 has a far better lineup in its second year than the Xbox did.  This gen is a whole new ballgame for games.  Walk into any video game store.  The PS3 is the console that lacks titles, not the 360.

While thats true atm to be fair the 360 has a years head start on the PS3 so its not like we aren't going to see any good games on the PS3..

Unfortunately, most of us aren't really waiting for a few good games to be released on the PS3, we're waiting for a few to just at least be announced. I'll jump in at that point, whether the library at that time is of quality or not.

Theres some good stuff in the pipeline though, MGS4, FF13, White Knight Story, Heavenly Sword, possibly Lair.. so the games are there... it just needs to be there now for me to care. The theres some good multi-plat form stuff like The Darkness, GTA4, DMC4 etc. Yeah still seems best to wait for me, although my 360 breakin prematurly will certainly hasten my decision and push me over the edge to get one. I can't stand shoddy electronics, about as usefull as three nipples on a man.
#27 Posted by CarnageHeart (18316 posts) -

Meh. I'm more interested in hearing about a price cut or two then anything else. There are a few games I want to play that are available for it now and I know there will be some more in the future it's just that the darn thing is too expensive for me right now.Archangel3371

Yeah, I'm not a big believer in the power of advertising.  If Sony wants to change anything right now, they need to chop the price.  The PS3 is selling for 50% more than the premium (if not the luxury or whatever its called) X360 which makes most the choice of most single console owners looking for full games obvious.

#28 Posted by The_Duke_Lives (597 posts) -
[QUOTE="The_Duke_Lives"][QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"]

I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition.  Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future.  Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.

GodModeEnabled

Well in your opinion, but remember that same type of lineup (plus a ton of third party support) lead to the PS2 dominating the Xbox.  The Sony lineup is more than good enough to compete.

Sony's lineup is the same or worse than the PS2's was, while the 360 has a far better lineup in its second year than the Xbox did.  This gen is a whole new ballgame for games.  Walk into any video game store.  The PS3 is the console that lacks titles, not the 360.

While thats true atm to be fair the 360 has a years head start on the PS3 so its not like we aren't going to see any good games on the PS3..

Unfortunately, most of us aren't really waiting for a few good games to be released on the PS3, we're waiting for a few to just at least be announced. I'll jump in at that point, whether the library at that time is of quality or not.

Theres some good stuff in the pipeline though, MGS4, FF13, White Knight Story, Heavenly Sword, possibly Lair.. so the games are there... it just needs to be there now for me to care. The theres some good multi-plat form stuff like The Darkness, GTA4, DMC4 etc. Yeah still seems best to wait for me, although my 360 breakin prematurly will certainly hasten my decision and push me over the edge to get one. I can't stand shoddy electronics, about as usefull as three nipples on a man.

MGS4 I'll give you ......... Heavenly Sword and Lair, eh not so much. Heavenly Sword being from a crappy developer and being a game that MS turned down when being the first approached by "Ninja Theory" as an exclusive for the 360, and Lair being a game that makes me shake my head in disbelief at what Factor 5 has become everytime I see a gameplay clip of it.

Right now MGS4 is about it for me, and if that one ends up going multiplatform, then it will effectively kill any desire I have to drop the 600 bones. In fact, I'm awfully tempted to just locate someone that owns a ps3, and play MGS4 until I'm done with it.

By the way, did your 360 break down? Sorry to hear. I'm sure you can have that fixed free of charge. I understand they're pretty good about that.

#29 Posted by nopalversion (4757 posts) -
Even though I'm hoping for more than that, I think that Lair is going to be the PS3's Rogue Leader. Heavenly Sword could turn out very well, though, not least due to the fact that Ninja Factory has doubled in size in order to produce the game. As far as MGS 4 goes, I'd rather have the new Ratchet. FFXIII is going to be nice, but I don't know if I'll have the patience for it. I'd rather see more God of War, Ico, or Wipeout to be honest.
#30 Posted by Shifty_Pete (2678 posts) -
[QUOTE="Lanezy"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

I'm not comparing handhelds with consoles, but didn't the PSP fuzzle out because they focused more on the UMD's instead of games in the beginning?

I know, that's a bad analogy, but I guess my point is (which coincides with most on this forum) is that Sony's first focus should be the games, not the movies. I think Sony is either getting desperate or losing track on what they are really about. Playstation made a name for itself in providing the best gaming a console can offer not on the best hi-def movies they can offer. I didn't buy the PS2 to play DVDs. The PS2 was always first and foremost a game machine.

I think Sony is being hypocritical here. They said that the main focus for blu-ray was to enhance gaming since it holds more memory. For games, the Blu-ray is a great format because it allows developers to pack in more content in creating the best games possible. But really, for movies the blu-ray is rather unneccessary when you think about it, because it's really just a more expensive device that let's you do something that we can already do with our old machines. It really does nothing new. It's not a format change but more of a evolutionary device that enhances a already existing format. For example, me and most average consumers are completely happy with watching movies on a regular old DVD player. Why would I want to buy Casino Royale or Rocky Balboa for $29.99 on Blu-Ray when I could get it for $12 at Wal-Mart on a regular DVD? Or why would I want a Blu-Ray Resident Evil Apocaplyse when I could get it for less than $7 on DVD at Wal-Mart? It makes no sense to me, IMO.

All the Blu-Ray does is empty our wallets.

ASK_Story


I couldn't agree more.

I too believe that Blu-Ray brings very little to the table, especially for average consumers and their wallets. Let's look at what made people make the jump from VHS to DVD:

  • 16:9 aspect ratio (widescreen) - That means more picture! The director's vision!! And who doesn't want that?
  • Special feature - Now we can watch deleted scenes, outakes, lsiten to commentaries, etc.
  • Better quality movies - Great picture + great sound=Great movie watchin'
  • Chapter selections - Look ma! No more rewinding or fastforwarding.

 

I have yet to be convinced on why I should buy into Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Sure, they offer great sound and amazing picture, but is that all it's got? Don't I need a high definition TV and a sound system to really get the most out of it? Is it possible to say that both formats could fail due to lack of consumer demand?

Also, let's not leave out the lasting value of a DVD or Blu-ray movie. I mean, I have tons of old DVDs that I don't even watch anymore. Movies are only fun on their first-time through so they get boring right away. And when Blu-Ray's cost almost as much as a video game, it's really not worth it when you really consider what you're getting for how much you're paying for. I think that's the same reason what killed the UMDs.

In other words, it's not worth it, unless you rent.

Also, I don't think there will be movies like The Quiet, Garden State, Pollack, Dads, In the Name of the Father, or Kramer vs Kramer available on Blu-Ray. Never heard of these movies? Exactly my point! But they are on DVD and cost only $9 at Best Buy! Get what I'm trying to say? ;)

I think so... you don't have an HDTV, so HD formats are useless to everyone, right? YOU may not care about the difference between DVD and HD formats, but with your assertion that movies are only worth watching once, might it be possible that others have a greater appreciation for the medium than you, and want to enjoy it in higher quality?. Personally, If I'm going to watch a movie, I want it in the best quality I can get it. DVD cannot go above 525p, so if I want something better, I need a new format.

Yes, Blu-Ray movies are a little more expensive than DVD's right now (~$24.99, with some titles higher and some sale prices lower), but DVD was very expensive at first, too. Prices will come down, and until then, the Blu-Ray player will play DVD's too. So owning a Blu-Ray player just means you have a choice to buy each movie on DVD or on BR. 

Although what Sony ultimately needs to do is to build a solid library for the PS3, a little Blu-Ray marketing wouldn't hurt. Most people out there are woefully misinformed about HD formats, so maybe this campaign will help with that.

#31 Posted by GodModeEnabled (15314 posts) -
[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"][QUOTE="The_Duke_Lives"][QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"]

I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition.  Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future.  Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.

The_Duke_Lives

Well in your opinion, but remember that same type of lineup (plus a ton of third party support) lead to the PS2 dominating the Xbox.  The Sony lineup is more than good enough to compete.

Sony's lineup is the same or worse than the PS2's was, while the 360 has a far better lineup in its second year than the Xbox did.  This gen is a whole new ballgame for games.  Walk into any video game store.  The PS3 is the console that lacks titles, not the 360.

While thats true atm to be fair the 360 has a years head start on the PS3 so its not like we aren't going to see any good games on the PS3..

Unfortunately, most of us aren't really waiting for a few good games to be released on the PS3, we're waiting for a few to just at least be announced. I'll jump in at that point, whether the library at that time is of quality or not.

Theres some good stuff in the pipeline though, MGS4, FF13, White Knight Story, Heavenly Sword, possibly Lair.. so the games are there... it just needs to be there now for me to care. The theres some good multi-plat form stuff like The Darkness, GTA4, DMC4 etc. Yeah still seems best to wait for me, although my 360 breakin prematurly will certainly hasten my decision and push me over the edge to get one. I can't stand shoddy electronics, about as usefull as three nipples on a man.

MGS4 I'll give you ......... Heavenly Sword and Lair, eh not so much. Heavenly Sword being from a crappy developer and being a game that MS turned down when being the first approached by "Ninja Theory" as an exclusive for the 360, and Lair being a game that makes me shake my head in disbelief at what Factor 5 has become everytime I see a gameplay clip of it.

Right now MGS4 is about it for me, and if that one ends up going multiplatform, then it will effectively kill any desire I have to drop the 600 bones. In fact, I'm awfully tempted to just locate someone that owns a ps3, and play MGS4 until I'm done with it.

By the way, did your 360 break down? Sorry to hear. I'm sure you can have that fixed free of charge. I understand they're pretty good about that.

Yeah I agree its still a wait and see thing, all im saying is that there is a few quality games. Nah didnt break yet but im getting some early warning signs like DRE errors and it making noises like that chick off the exorcist.
#32 Posted by SemiMaster (19009 posts) -

I can't read through all that spin. So basically the PS3 is a Blu-Ray player first, game player second now?

#33 Posted by IonescoF (3050 posts) -
They gotta be kidding! They shouldn't focus on Blu-Ray but on the games. That's why they went downhill so much.
#34 Posted by Lanezy (2438 posts) -
[QUOTE="ASK_Story"][QUOTE="Lanezy"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

I'm not comparing handhelds with consoles, but didn't the PSP fuzzle out because they focused more on the UMD's instead of games in the beginning?

I know, that's a bad analogy, but I guess my point is (which coincides with most on this forum) is that Sony's first focus should be the games, not the movies. I think Sony is either getting desperate or losing track on what they are really about. Playstation made a name for itself in providing the best gaming a console can offer not on the best hi-def movies they can offer. I didn't buy the PS2 to play DVDs. The PS2 was always first and foremost a game machine.

I think Sony is being hypocritical here. They said that the main focus for blu-ray was to enhance gaming since it holds more memory. For games, the Blu-ray is a great format because it allows developers to pack in more content in creating the best games possible. But really, for movies the blu-ray is rather unneccessary when you think about it, because it's really just a more expensive device that let's you do something that we can already do with our old machines. It really does nothing new. It's not a format change but more of a evolutionary device that enhances a already existing format. For example, me and most average consumers are completely happy with watching movies on a regular old DVD player. Why would I want to buy Casino Royale or Rocky Balboa for $29.99 on Blu-Ray when I could get it for $12 at Wal-Mart on a regular DVD? Or why would I want a Blu-Ray Resident Evil Apocaplyse when I could get it for less than $7 on DVD at Wal-Mart? It makes no sense to me, IMO.

All the Blu-Ray does is empty our wallets.

Shifty_Pete


I couldn't agree more.

I too believe that Blu-Ray brings very little to the table, especially for average consumers and their wallets. Let's look at what made people make the jump from VHS to DVD:

  • 16:9 aspect ratio (widescreen) - That means more picture! The director's vision!! And who doesn't want that?
  • Special feature - Now we can watch deleted scenes, outakes, lsiten to commentaries, etc.
  • Better quality movies - Great picture + great sound=Great movie watchin'
  • Chapter selections - Look ma! No more rewinding or fastforwarding.

 

I have yet to be convinced on why I should buy into Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Sure, they offer great sound and amazing picture, but is that all it's got? Don't I need a high definition TV and a sound system to really get the most out of it? Is it possible to say that both formats could fail due to lack of consumer demand?

Also, let's not leave out the lasting value of a DVD or Blu-ray movie. I mean, I have tons of old DVDs that I don't even watch anymore. Movies are only fun on their first-time through so they get boring right away. And when Blu-Ray's cost almost as much as a video game, it's really not worth it when you really consider what you're getting for how much you're paying for. I think that's the same reason what killed the UMDs.

In other words, it's not worth it, unless you rent.

Also, I don't think there will be movies like The Quiet, Garden State, Pollack, Dads, In the Name of the Father, or Kramer vs Kramer available on Blu-Ray. Never heard of these movies? Exactly my point! But they are on DVD and cost only $9 at Best Buy! Get what I'm trying to say? ;)

I think so... you don't have an HDTV, so HD formats are useless to everyone, right? YOU may not care about the difference between DVD and HD formats, but with your assertion that movies are only worth watching once, might it be possible that others have a greater appreciation for the medium than you, and want to enjoy it in higher quality?. Personally, If I'm going to watch a movie, I want it in the best quality I can get it. DVD cannot go above 525p, so if I want something better, I need a new format.

Yes, Blu-Ray movies are a little more expensive than DVD's right now (~$24.99, with some titles higher and some sale prices lower), but DVD was very expensive at first, too. Prices will come down, and until then, the Blu-Ray player will play DVD's too. So owning a Blu-Ray player just means you have a choice to buy each movie on DVD or on BR.

Although what Sony ultimately needs to do is to build a solid library for the PS3, a little Blu-Ray marketing wouldn't hurt. Most people out there are woefully misinformed about HD formats, so maybe this campaign will help with that.



You have a valid point. What I was implying was that the differences between VHS and DVD were vast, which made it worht the investment. But I honestly don't see the differences between DVD and Blu-Ray.

I also believe that Sony is doing the right thing with the Blu-Ray. They should and need to educate the public on the Blu-Ray because that's what they have over the competition. Xbox has Live, Ninetendo has motion sensing, and Sony has their Blu-Ray, which is trying to compete over HD-DVD. So yeah, I do think Sony is doing the right thing.
#35 Posted by SolidSnake2020 (2180 posts) -
They should focus on keeping some games exclusive, and put a more suitable price.
#36 Posted by mike7677 (2426 posts) -
Maybe EBGames knows something Sony doesn't.  I went to the mall and saw EBG lowered the price by $100USD.  I don't know if this is temporary.

the greatest fear, I think, si if the PS3 goes belly up, it may take the Blu-Ray format with it.

On other fronts, I think Sony may be coming out with a $500 stand alone Blu-Ray machine.

I don't know why they insisted on putting a Blu-Ray machine in the PS3 in the first place.
#37 Posted by HiResDes (5919 posts) -
[QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"]

I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition.  Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future.  Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.

ArchieGates

Well in your opinion, but remember that same type of lineup (plus a ton of third party support) lead to the PS2 dominating the Xbox.  The Sony lineup is more than good enough to compete.

Sony's lineup is the same or worse than the PS2's was, while the 360 has a far better lineup in its second year than the Xbox did.  This gen is a whole new ballgame for games.  Walk into any video game store.  The PS3 is the console that lacks titles, not the 360.

Plus the PS3's recession in securing exclusive third party support, further proves your point, no one including Sony themselves are really all to confident in their console.

#38 Posted by MarcusAntonius (15667 posts) -
Sony continues to exacerbate the problem, not solve it. Now, let's all shout so that Sony can hear us all the way out in Japan........**ahem**......."It's the games stupid!"
#39 Posted by dvader654 (44752 posts) -
[QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"]

I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition.  Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future.  Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.

ArchieGates

Well in your opinion, but remember that same type of lineup (plus a ton of third party support) lead to the PS2 dominating the Xbox.  The Sony lineup is more than good enough to compete.

Sony's lineup is the same or worse than the PS2's was, while the 360 has a far better lineup in its second year than the Xbox did.  This gen is a whole new ballgame for games.  Walk into any video game store.  The PS3 is the console that lacks titles, not the 360.

It just started of course it lacks titles right now but Sony's first party will come around and they had many of the best games of last gen and probably the same this gen.  This fall there will be a bunch of ecxcellent games coming out on the PS3, they need to focus on that. 

#40 Posted by MarcusAntonius (15667 posts) -
[QUOTE="ArchieGates"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"]

I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition.  Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future.  Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.

dvader654

Well in your opinion, but remember that same type of lineup (plus a ton of third party support) lead to the PS2 dominating the Xbox.  The Sony lineup is more than good enough to compete.

Sony's lineup is the same or worse than the PS2's was, while the 360 has a far better lineup in its second year than the Xbox did.  This gen is a whole new ballgame for games.  Walk into any video game store.  The PS3 is the console that lacks titles, not the 360.

It just started of course it lacks titles right now but Sony's first party will come around and they had many of the best games of last gen and probably the same this genThis fall there will be a bunch of ecxcellent games coming out on the PS3, they need to focus on that. 

That's some pretty bold conjecture on your part Dvader.

There are actually just two excellent games coming out for the PS3 this fall, unfortunately for Sony, one of them is coming out for the X360. By the time the rest of the PS3 goodies come out sometime down the road, who will care anymore? By the time Halo 3 comes out, I highly doubt Sony will ever catch MS, let alone Nintendo, unless Sony comes out with something on par with redefining gaming forever which I just don't see happening at this point.

 

#41 Posted by gaminggeek (14223 posts) -

Sounds like a good idea to me to push Blu-Ray I see it as a major selling point, but still the price needs to shift.

LOL at the spin though:

"The Wii was down 22%, and the Xbox 360 was down 12%, and we were up 2%," said Nguyen, citing U.S. statistics from NPD Funworld.

#42 Posted by dvader654 (44752 posts) -
[QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"]

I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition.  Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future.  Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.

MarcusAntonius

Well in your opinion, but remember that same type of lineup (plus a ton of third party support) lead to the PS2 dominating the Xbox.  The Sony lineup is more than good enough to compete.

Sony's lineup is the same or worse than the PS2's was, while the 360 has a far better lineup in its second year than the Xbox did.  This gen is a whole new ballgame for games.  Walk into any video game store.  The PS3 is the console that lacks titles, not the 360.

It just started of course it lacks titles right now but Sony's first party will come around and they had many of the best games of last gen and probably the same this genThis fall there will be a bunch of ecxcellent games coming out on the PS3, they need to focus on that. 

That's some pretty bold conjecture on your part Dvader.

There are actually just two excellent games coming out for the PS3 this fall, unfortunately for Sony, one of them is coming out for the X360. By the time the rest of the PS3 goodies come out sometime down the road, who will care anymore? By the time Halo 3 comes out, I highly doubt Sony will ever catch MS, let alone Nintendo, unless Sony comes out with something on par with redefining gaming forever which I just don't see happening at this point.

Wow thats a fact now, can I try out your time machine some day please.

MGS4, Ratchet, Uncharted, Little Big Planet all have potential to be excellent, thats not including some other games that who knows how they turn out like Heavenly Sword and what not.  Thats not including any of the third party games which Sony will have practically all the same ones as the 360.

I never said anyting about Sony catching up, they will most likely be third place.

#43 Posted by dvader654 (44752 posts) -

Sounds like a good idea to me to push Blu-Ray I see it as a major selling point, but still the price needs to shift.

LOL at the spin though:

"The Wii was down 22%, and the Xbox 360 was down 12%, and we were up 2%," said Nguyen, citing U.S. statistics from NPD Funworld.

gaminggeek

Woah what a makeover.

#44 Posted by Archangel3371 (15335 posts) -

[QUOTE="Archangel3371"]Meh. I'm more interested in hearing about a price cut or two then anything else. There are a few games I want to play that are available for it now and I know there will be some more in the future it's just that the darn thing is too expensive for me right now.CarnageHeart

Yeah, I'm not a big believer in the power of advertising.  If Sony wants to change anything right now, they need to chop the price.  The PS3 is selling for 50% more than the premium (if not the luxury or whatever its called) X360 which makes most the choice of most single console owners looking for full games obvious.

The 14% sales tax we pay where I live isn't really doing me any favours either. :(

#45 Posted by MarcusAntonius (15667 posts) -
[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"]

I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition.  Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future.  Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.

dvader654

Well in your opinion, but remember that same type of lineup (plus a ton of third party support) lead to the PS2 dominating the Xbox.  The Sony lineup is more than good enough to compete.

Sony's lineup is the same or worse than the PS2's was, while the 360 has a far better lineup in its second year than the Xbox did.  This gen is a whole new ballgame for games.  Walk into any video game store.  The PS3 is the console that lacks titles, not the 360.

It just started of course it lacks titles right now but Sony's first party will come around and they had many of the best games of last gen and probably the same this genThis fall there will be a bunch of ecxcellent games coming out on the PS3, they need to focus on that. 

That's some pretty bold conjecture on your part Dvader.

There are actually just two excellent games coming out for the PS3 this fall, unfortunately for Sony, one of them is coming out for the X360. By the time the rest of the PS3 goodies come out sometime down the road, who will care anymore? By the time Halo 3 comes out, I highly doubt Sony will ever catch MS, let alone Nintendo, unless Sony comes out with something on par with redefining gaming forever which I just don't see happening at this point.

Wow thats a fact now, can I try out your time machine some day please.

MGS4, Ratchet, Uncharted, Little Big Planet all have potential to be excellent, thats not including some other games that who knows how they turn out like Heavenly Sword and what not.  Thats not including any of the third party games which Sony will have practically all the same ones as the 360.

I never said anyting about Sony catching up, they will most likely be third place.

Yes, I'll give you a lift in my time machine. We'll go to a time where people don't throw around descriptions of excellence around so freely.

Seriously, I don't know of any gamer who would describe any game in the Ratchet series as excellent. They're good, but excellence? Come the hell on.

I haven't seen anything that suggests that Heavenly Sword is going to live up to such lofty billing.

#46 Posted by Skylock00 (20069 posts) -

Seriously, I don't know of any gamer who would describe any game in the Ratchet series as excellent. They're good, but excellence? Come the hell on.MarcusAntonius
Well, for one, he said that Ratchet had potential to be excellent, not that it will be.  Furthermore, I found most of the games in the Ratchet series to be indeed excellent games in design, presentation, and style.

Seriously, while I don't mind people having different opinons, could you please be less dismissive in your tone about this sort of thing? 

#47 Posted by MarcusAntonius (15667 posts) -

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]Seriously, I don't know of any gamer who would describe any game in the Ratchet series as excellent. They're good, but excellence? Come the hell on.Skylock00

Well, for one, he said that Ratchet had potential to be excellent, not that it will be.  Furthermore, I found most of the games in the Ratchet series to be indeed excellent games in design, presentation, and style.

Seriously, while I don't mind people having different opinons, could you please be less dismissive in your tone about this sort of thing? 

Ok, I guess. :|

I know what he said Skylock, but you didn't read his post that I had replied to when he refers to a bunch of excellent games. That's what I referred to. I used the Ratchet series as an example. Why are you so hell bent on getting hung up on a minor detail? At the heart of my post, Ratchet has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

None of what you're saying changes the fact that my comments were dead-on. I get a bit agitated when people are so quick to assign greatness and excellence to anything the slightest bit pleasing to themselves. But if you really want to obsess over whatever else, so be it. Sensationalism bores me.

Guess we can check back later this year on how the newest Ratchet game release translates into PS3 sales. If it moves more PS3s, then fine, I stand corrected.

I'm not the one being dismissive here Skylock, its you who chooses to dismiss a valid point which is most unfortunate.

#48 Posted by Skylock00 (20069 posts) -

I'm not the one being dismissive here Skylock, its you who chooses to dismiss a valid point.MarcusAntonius
I did read his post back then, and one thing I noticed is that he never said they had a bunch of exclusive excellent games, which could mean that those excellent games included the likes of GTAIV and the likes.

Furthermore, Sony was responsible, both with internal development teams, and close 2nd party developers, for a strong number of excellent/great games in the past generation, and if those relationships and teams are retained during this generation, it isn't crazy to assume that they'll put out more games that are of a strong quality.

Your attempt to say that there's only two excellent games coming out for the PS3 this fall is just as much conjecture as Dvader saying that there are a bunch of excellent games coming out this fall, which means your argument has just as little weight as the one you are trying to contest, giving you little room to act as if you are somehow more right than Dvader is.

Dvader's initial stance was not that these games would make the PS3 push Halo like numbers, but simply that Sony is going to (probably) have a number of strong/excellent games this fall/winter, and instead of focusing on the Blu-Ray playback of the system, they should focus on those games being the selling point, which really means that he's more or less agreeing with the sentiment you set forth earlier when you mentioned that we should all shout out "It's the games, stupid!" to Sony, which is a mentality/viewpoint that I fully support as well, so I'm not being dismissive of anything on your stance.  All I really did was emphasize how Dvader was talking about potential, and interjecting my own opinion regarding the Ratchet series.

I never said you were being dismissive, I just asked for you to have a less dismissive tone in your posting, which is a comment that is more dead-on, IMHO, than yours claiming that there are only two excellent games coming out on the PS3 this Fall/Winter, given that the accuracy of either yours or Dvader's predictions will be made clear after this fall comes around.

#49 Posted by dvader654 (44752 posts) -

[QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"]I'm not the one being dismissive here Skylock, its you who chooses to dismiss a valid point.Skylock00

I did read his post back then, and one thing I noticed is that he never said they had a bunch of exclusive excellent games, which could mean that those excellent games included the likes of GTAIV and the likes.

Furthermore, Sony was responsible, both with internal development teams, and close 2nd party developers, for a strong number of excellent/great games in the past generation, and if those relationships and teams are retained during this generation, it isn't crazy to assume that they'll put out more games that are of a strong quality.

Your attempt to say that there's only two excellent games coming out for the PS3 this fall is just as much conjecture as Dvader saying that there are a bunch of excellent games coming out this fall, which means your argument has just as little weight as the one you are trying to contest, giving you little room to act as if you are somehow more right than Dvader is.

Dvader's initial stance was not that these games would make the PS3 push Halo like numbers, but simply that Sony is going to (probably) have a number of strong/excellent games this fall/winter, and instead of focusing on the Blu-Ray playback of the system, they should focus on those games being the selling point, which really means that he's more or less agreeing with the sentiment you set forth earlier when you mentioned that we should all shout out "It's the games, stupid!" to Sony, which is a mentality/viewpoint that I fully support as well, so I'm not being dismissive of anything on your stance.  All I really did was emphasize how Dvader was talking about potential, and interjecting my own opinion regarding the Ratchet series.

I never said you were being dismissive, I just asked for you to have a less dismissive tone in your posting, which is a comment that is more dead-on, IMHO, than yours claiming that there are only two excellent games coming out on the PS3 this Fall/Winter, given that the accuracy of either yours or Dvader's predictions will be made clear after this fall comes around.

Your awesome.

#50 Posted by dvader654 (44752 posts) -
[QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="MarcusAntonius"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ArchieGates"]

I think they have to focus on the Blu Ray aspect because it's really the only thing that separates them from the competition.  Sony could advertise the games, but to be honest, the competition has a much better game lineup already and for the forseeable future.  Ratchet, Warhawk, MGS4...nice games, but none of those are a Halo 3 or a Mass Effect.

MarcusAntonius

Well in your opinion, but remember that same type of lineup (plus a ton of third party support) lead to the PS2 dominating the Xbox.  The Sony lineup is more than good enough to compete.

Sony's lineup is the same or worse than the PS2's was, while the 360 has a far better lineup in its second year than the Xbox did.  This gen is a whole new ballgame for games.  Walk into any video game store.  The PS3 is the console that lacks titles, not the 360.

It just started of course it lacks titles right now but Sony's first party will come around and they had many of the best games of last gen and probably the same this genThis fall there will be a bunch of ecxcellent games coming out on the PS3, they need to focus on that. 

That's some pretty bold conjecture on your part Dvader.

There are actually just two excellent games coming out for the PS3 this fall, unfortunately for Sony, one of them is coming out for the X360. By the time the rest of the PS3 goodies come out sometime down the road, who will care anymore? By the time Halo 3 comes out, I highly doubt Sony will ever catch MS, let alone Nintendo, unless Sony comes out with something on par with redefining gaming forever which I just don't see happening at this point.

Wow thats a fact now, can I try out your time machine some day please.

MGS4, Ratchet, Uncharted, Little Big Planet all have potential to be excellent, thats not including some other games that who knows how they turn out like Heavenly Sword and what not.  Thats not including any of the third party games which Sony will have practically all the same ones as the 360.

I never said anyting about Sony catching up, they will most likely be third place.

Yes, I'll give you a lift in my time machine. We'll go to a time where people don't throw around descriptions of excellence around so freely.

Seriously, I don't know of any gamer who would describe any game in the Ratchet series as excellent. They're good, but excellence? Come the hell on.

I haven't seen anything that suggests that Heavenly Sword is going to live up to such lofty billing.

All three main Ratchet games have averaged around 90%, thats for the most part excellent when it comes to review scores, everything else is personal opinions, I think its excellent you dont oh well.  The series has always been high quality, there is no evidence to suggest it will be otherwise now that its on the PS3.