so I just played 5 different fighting games on the Saturn back to back

the games were:

Virtua Fighter

Virtua Fighter remix

Virtua Fighter 2

Fighting Vipers

Fighters megamix

they're in the order I played them and in the order that they were launched in the west. Now, is it me, or is Virtua Fighter 2 the best looking game in the bunch? The gameplay felt smoother, the characters models looked better and so did the backgrounds.

I compared the models from Fighters Megamix to that of Virtua Fighter 2, and the Virtua Fighters 2 characters looked more detailed to me (and so did the backgrounds)

Ive been saying that! The models are better. The people that designed them likely had a better understanding of human anatomy.Heirren

VF2 looks better in most ways because its in a higher resolution , 720X480, as opposed to the 320X240 Megamix was in (I think)

reason for that was that Megamix had a 3D floor, 3D walls and extra effects here and there (like shading on the characters), all of which done by the CPU.

problem obviously is that due to the limited polygon budgets at the time, the extra detail is basic, and doesn't always compensate for the lower res and

DOA basically looks like a better VF2, and I think at that time, it was proper way to create a fighting game.

AM2 were considered to be some of the best technical developers at that time. The odd thing is that the first Virtua Fighter, and Daytona, are rather lackluster. Heirren

am2 also did fighters megamix

[QUOTE="Heirren"]AM2 were considered to be some of the best technical developers at that time. The odd thing is that the first Virtua Fighter, and Daytona, are rather lackluster. bultje112

am2 also did fighters megamix

AM2 were considered to be some of the best technical developers at that time. The odd thing is that the first Virtua Fighter, and Daytona, are rather lackluster. Heirren

VF2 looks better in most ways because its in a higher resolution , 720X480, as opposed to the 320X240 Megamix was in (I think)

reason for that was that Megamix had a 3D floor, 3D walls and extra effects here and there (like shading on the characters), all of which done by the CPU.

problem obviously is that due to the limited polygon budgets at the time, the extra detail is basic, and doesn't always compensate for the lower res and

DOA basically looks like a better VF2, and I think at that time, it was proper way to create a fighting game.

Darkman2007

there's more then just that though, the backgrounds look better on the saturn, there's some extra detail on the characters, that sort of thing :P

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

VF2 looks better in most ways because its in a higher resolution , 720X480, as opposed to the 320X240 Megamix was in (I think)

reason for that was that Megamix had a 3D floor, 3D walls and extra effects here and there (like shading on the characters), all of which done by the CPU.

problem obviously is that due to the limited polygon budgets at the time, the extra detail is basic, and doesn't always compensate for the lower res and

DOA basically looks like a better VF2, and I think at that time, it was proper way to create a fighting game.

rilpas

there's more then just that though, the backgrounds look better on the saturn, there's some extra detail on the characters, that sort of thing :P

VF2 on the Saturn was impressive for the time and for the limitations of the console (the PC port is based on the Saturn version too) but it still didn't hold a candle to the real deal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrje0yVPlJY

And speaking of Virtua Fighter, how come Sega still hasn't released a VF Collection featuring arcade-perfect ports of the first four VFs?

I'm pretty sure fans of the series would buy that.

VF2 on the Saturn was impressive for the time and for the limitations of the console (the PC port is based on the Saturn version too) but it still didn't hold a candle to the real deal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrje0yVPlJY

And speaking of Virtua Fighter, how come Sega still hasn't released a VF Collection featuring arcade-perfect ports of the first four VFs?

I'm pretty sure fans of the series would buy that.

nameless12345

they announced a collection of Sega Model 2 games incoming to PSN and XBLA

VF2 on the Saturn was impressive for the time and for the limitations of the console (the PC port is based on the Saturn version too) but it still didn't hold a candle to the real deal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrje0yVPlJY

And speaking of Virtua Fighter, how come Sega still hasn't released a VF Collection featuring arcade-perfect ports of the first four VFs?

I'm pretty sure fans of the series would buy that.

nameless12345

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

VF2 on the Saturn was impressive for the time and for the limitations of the console (the PC port is based on the Saturn version too) but it still didn't hold a candle to the real deal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrje0yVPlJY

And speaking of Virtua Fighter, how come Sega still hasn't released a VF Collection featuring arcade-perfect ports of the first four VFs?

I'm pretty sure fans of the series would buy that.

rilpas

they announced a collection of Sega Model 2 games incoming to PSN and XBLA

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

VF2 on the Saturn was impressive for the time and for the limitations of the console (the PC port is based on the Saturn version too) but it still didn't hold a candle to the real deal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrje0yVPlJY

And speaking of Virtua Fighter, how come Sega still hasn't released a VF Collection featuring arcade-perfect ports of the first four VFs?

I'm pretty sure fans of the series would buy that.

Darkman2007

they announced a collection of Sega Model 2 games incoming to PSN and XBLA

I own Sonic Fighters on the Sonic Gems collection... yep, a good game it is not, even wrote a short review for it back when I was starting out :P

I did like the graphics and artstyle though

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

they announced a collection of Sega Model 2 games incoming to PSN and XBLA

rilpas

I own Sonic Fighters on the Sonic Gems collection... yep, a good game it is not, even wrote a short review for it back when I was starting out :P

I did like the graphics and artstyle though

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] this is good news, although if it was me, I would thrown Sonic Fighters out (because quite honestly, it sucks) , and instead put in Indianapolis 500. it would make up for the game not making it to the Saturn.Darkman2007

I own Sonic Fighters on the Sonic Gems collection... yep, a good game it is not, even wrote a short review for it back when I was starting out :P

I did like the graphics and artstyle though

House of the dead 1,2 and 3 would probably get me to buy Kinect, lol

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

I own Sonic Fighters on the Sonic Gems collection... yep, a good game it is not, even wrote a short review for it back when I was starting out :P

I did like the graphics and artstyle though

rilpas

House of the dead 1,2 and 3 would probably get me to buy Kinect, lol

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]AM2 were considered to be some of the best technical developers at that time. The odd thing is that the first Virtua Fighter, and Daytona, are rather lackluster. Heirren

am2 also did fighters megamix

Ive been saying that! The models are better. The people that designed them likely had a better understanding of human anatomy.

you said this. and both games were developped by the same people. vf2 and fighters megamix. it was a design choice and vf2 didn't look better than fm, it simply had high resolution

VF2 on the Saturn was impressive for the time and for the limitations of the console (the PC port is based on the Saturn version too) but it still didn't hold a candle to the real deal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrje0yVPlJY

And speaking of Virtua Fighter, how come Sega still hasn't released a VF Collection featuring arcade-perfect ports of the first four VFs?

I'm pretty sure fans of the series would buy that.

nameless12345

lol you again and your "facts" I doubt you ever played virtua fighter 2 in an arcade. yes it looks better than the saturn version. but definitley not a lot. backgrounds were better quite a bit, but saying it didn't hold a candle to the real deal. lol

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="bultje112"]

am2 also did fighters megamix

bultje112

Ive been saying that! The models are better. The people that designed them likely had a better understanding of human anatomy.

you said this. and both games were developped by the same people. vf2 and fighters megamix. it was a design choice and vf2 didn't look better than fm, it simply had high resolution

actually Virtua Fighter 2 looks better in just about every regard except the floors outside the arenas

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

VF2 on the Saturn was impressive for the time and for the limitations of the console (the PC port is based on the Saturn version too) but it still didn't hold a candle to the real deal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrje0yVPlJY

And speaking of Virtua Fighter, how come Sega still hasn't released a VF Collection featuring arcade-perfect ports of the first four VFs?

I'm pretty sure fans of the series would buy that.

bultje112

lol you again and your "facts" I doubt you ever played virtua fighter 2 in an arcade. yes it looks better than the saturn version. but definitley not a lot. backgrounds were better quite a bit, but saying it didn't hold a candle to the real deal. lol

it's not a fact, it's his opinion

and I agree with him, Virtua fighter 2 arcade looks miles ahead of the Saturn version

heck, how can you even compare the two? Sega's Model 2 arcade was a beast of a machine

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

VF2 on the Saturn was impressive for the time and for the limitations of the console (the PC port is based on the Saturn version too) but it still didn't hold a candle to the real deal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrje0yVPlJY

And speaking of Virtua Fighter, how come Sega still hasn't released a VF Collection featuring arcade-perfect ports of the first four VFs?

I'm pretty sure fans of the series would buy that.

bultje112

lol you again and your "facts" I doubt you ever played virtua fighter 2 in an arcade. yes it looks better than the saturn version. but definitley not a lot. backgrounds were better quite a bit, but saying it didn't hold a candle to the real deal. lol

Well, would you say that the arcade version of SFII wasn't much better than the 16-bit console ports?

The console ports were nice but still the arcade version was just better in every way.

It's like saying there's no difference between the current-gen consoles and current gaming PCs.

Well there is.

A large one infact.

The "not holding a candle" statement was, of course, exaggerated and you needn't take it so literally.

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] And?rilpas

Ive been saying that! The models are better. The people that designed them likely had a better understanding of human anatomy.

you said this. and both games were developped by the same people. vf2 and fighters megamix. it was a design choice and vf2 didn't look better than fm, it simply had high resolution

actually Virtua Fighter 2 looks better in just about every regard except the floors outside the arenas

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

VF2 on the Saturn was impressive for the time and for the limitations of the console (the PC port is based on the Saturn version too) but it still didn't hold a candle to the real deal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrje0yVPlJY

And speaking of Virtua Fighter, how come Sega still hasn't released a VF Collection featuring arcade-perfect ports of the first four VFs?

I'm pretty sure fans of the series would buy that.

rilpas

lol you again and your "facts" I doubt you ever played virtua fighter 2 in an arcade. yes it looks better than the saturn version. but definitley not a lot. backgrounds were better quite a bit, but saying it didn't hold a candle to the real deal. lol

it's not a fact, it's his opinion

and I agree with him, Virtua fighter 2 arcade looks miles ahead of the Saturn version

heck, how can you even compare the two? Sega's Model 2 arcade was a beast of a machine

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

lol you again and your "facts" I doubt you ever played virtua fighter 2 in an arcade. yes it looks better than the saturn version. but definitley not a lot. backgrounds were better quite a bit, but saying it didn't hold a candle to the real deal. lol

Darkman2007

it's not a fact, it's his opinion

and I agree with him, Virtua fighter 2 arcade looks miles ahead of the Saturn version

heck, how can you even compare the two? Sega's Model 2 arcade was a beast of a machine

I knew that the Saturn version ran at an uncommonly high resolution, but I didn't know that it surpassed even the arcade version, very impressive

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

it's not a fact, it's his opinion

and I agree with him, Virtua fighter 2 arcade looks miles ahead of the Saturn version

heck, how can you even compare the two? Sega's Model 2 arcade was a beast of a machine

rilpas

I knew that the Saturn version ran at an uncommonly high resolution, but I didn't know that it surpassed even the arcade version, very impressive

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

it's not a fact, it's his opinion

and I agree with him, Virtua fighter 2 arcade looks miles ahead of the Saturn version

heck, how can you even compare the two? Sega's Model 2 arcade was a beast of a machine

rilpas

I knew that the Saturn version ran at an uncommonly high resolution, but I didn't know that it surpassed even the arcade version, very impressive

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] well, in the Saturn verison's defense, it is a higher res than the arcade. everything else is better in the arcade though.Heirren

I knew that the Saturn version ran at an uncommonly high resolution, but I didn't know that it surpassed even the arcade version, very impressive

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

I knew that the Saturn version ran at an uncommonly high resolution, but I didn't know that it surpassed even the arcade version, very impressive

Darkman2007

You would be right about that; VF2 is the best looking of those 5-games you just described.

Personally, my favorite fighting game on the Saturn in the original VF. I know it's not perfect and has plenty of flaws that came up when ported to the Saturn, but the asthetic and feeling to that game is timeless. Porbably one of my favorite games of all time.

You would be right about that; VF2 is the best looking of those 5-games you just described.

Personally, my favorite fighting game on the Saturn in the original VF. I know it's not perfect and has plenty of flaws that came up when ported to the Saturn, but the asthetic and feeling to that game is timeless. Porbably one of my favorite games of all time.

Shenmue_Jehuty

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

You would be right about that; VF2 is the best looking of those 5-games you just described.

Personally, my favorite fighting game on the Saturn in the original VF. I know it's not perfect and has plenty of flaws that came up when ported to the Saturn, but the asthetic and feeling to that game is timeless. Porbably one of my favorite games of all time.

Darkman2007

I have it, but I still prefer the original VF, mostly because the character models more closely resemble the arcade models, even though they are considerably more blocky and the pixels flicker a lot. VF-Remix characters seemed to look more like VF2's characters which were more smooth looking. I know most people would see this as an upgrade, and it is, I just prefer the look and feel of the original Saturn and arcade VF better.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

You would be right about that; VF2 is the best looking of those 5-games you just described.

Personally, my favorite fighting game on the Saturn in the original VF. I know it's not perfect and has plenty of flaws that came up when ported to the Saturn, but the asthetic and feeling to that game is timeless. Porbably one of my favorite games of all time.

Shenmue_Jehuty

I have it, but I still prefer the original VF, mostly because the character models more closely resemble the arcade models, even though they are considerably more blocky and the pixels flicker a lot. VF-Remix characters seemed to look more like VF2's characters which were more smooth looking. I know most people would see this as an upgrade, and it is, I just prefer the look and feel of the original Saturn and arcade VF better.

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] get VF remix if you didn't, its what the game should have been.Darkman2007

I have it, but I still prefer the original VF, mostly because the character models more closely resemble the arcade models, even though they are considerably more blocky and the pixels flicker a lot. VF-Remix characters seemed to look more like VF2's characters which were more smooth looking. I know most people would see this as an upgrade, and it is, I just prefer the look and feel of the original Saturn and arcade VF better.

I actually heard the PC VF port is the best in terms of looking like the arcade.

Given how reletively cheap they are now (for an aracde cabinet), I'm trying to get my hands on an original VF arcade unit. I have such awesome memories of playing that game in the arcade when I was about 7/8 years old. The graphics, music, backgrounds, gameplay, all of it was and still is mindblowing to me. I think they cost about $300-$400 typically.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

I have it, but I still prefer the original VF, mostly because the character models more closely resemble the arcade models, even though they are considerably more blocky and the pixels flicker a lot. VF-Remix characters seemed to look more like VF2's characters which were more smooth looking. I know most people would see this as an upgrade, and it is, I just prefer the look and feel of the original Saturn and arcade VF better.

Shenmue_Jehuty

I actually heard the PC VF port is the best in terms of looking like the arcade.

Given how reletively cheap they are now (for an aracde cabinet), I'm trying to get my hands on an original VF arcade unit. I have such awesome memories of playing that game in the arcade when I was about 7/8 years old. The graphics, music, backgrounds, gameplay, all of it was and still is mindblowing to me. I think they cost about $300-$400 typically.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

I have it, but I still prefer the original VF, mostly because the character models more closely resemble the arcade models, even though they are considerably more blocky and the pixels flicker a lot. VF-Remix characters seemed to look more like VF2's characters which were more smooth looking. I know most people would see this as an upgrade, and it is, I just prefer the look and feel of the original Saturn and arcade VF better.

Shenmue_Jehuty

I actually heard the PC VF port is the best in terms of looking like the arcade.

Given how reletively cheap they are now (for an aracde cabinet), I'm trying to get my hands on an original VF arcade unit. I have such awesome memories of playing that game in the arcade when I was about 7/8 years old. The graphics, music, backgrounds, gameplay, all of it was and still is mindblowing to me. I think they cost about $300-$400 typically.

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] I know what you mean , although its interesting to note that I don't think the character models actually have more polygons on them in Remix, its just that they are textured which hides that. Im interested to see what the PC version of VF1 looks like, or how close is it to the arcade.Heirren

I actually heard the PC VF port is the best in terms of looking like the arcade.

Given how reletively cheap they are now (for an aracde cabinet), I'm trying to get my hands on an original VF arcade unit. I have such awesome memories of playing that game in the arcade when I was about 7/8 years old. The graphics, music, backgrounds, gameplay, all of it was and still is mindblowing to me. I think they cost about $300-$400 typically.

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] I know what you mean , although its interesting to note that I don't think the character models actually have more polygons on them in Remix, its just that they are textured which hides that. Im interested to see what the PC version of VF1 looks like, or how close is it to the arcade.Darkman2007

I actually heard the PC VF port is the best in terms of looking like the arcade.

Given how reletively cheap they are now (for an aracde cabinet), I'm trying to get my hands on an original VF arcade unit. I have such awesome memories of playing that game in the arcade when I was about 7/8 years old. The graphics, music, backgrounds, gameplay, all of it was and still is mindblowing to me. I think they cost about $300-$400 typically.

NV1, now that was a funny card.

Did quadratic rendering like the Satty and supported games (few Saturn PC ports) looked worse in hardware than software mode. :P

Not exactly a glorious beginning for Nvidia but you gotta start somewhere, eh? :P

VF1 on PC is the texture mapped Remix version and supports NV1.

And VF2 is also a Saturn port and features the option for Model 2 characters and 3D acceleration (only the floor gets filtered btw).

Compatibility on newer PCs is not good for either game.

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

VF2 on the Saturn was impressive for the time and for the limitations of the console (the PC port is based on the Saturn version too) but it still didn't hold a candle to the real deal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrje0yVPlJY

And speaking of Virtua Fighter, how come Sega still hasn't released a VF Collection featuring arcade-perfect ports of the first four VFs?

I'm pretty sure fans of the series would buy that.

rilpas

lol you again and your "facts" I doubt you ever played virtua fighter 2 in an arcade. yes it looks better than the saturn version. but definitley not a lot. backgrounds were better quite a bit, but saying it didn't hold a candle to the real deal. lol

it's not a fact, it's his opinion

and I agree with him, Virtua fighter 2 arcade looks miles ahead of the Saturn version

heck, how can you even compare the two? Sega's Model 2 arcade was a beast of a machine

obviously you never played the arcade version either. the saturn version has (much) higher resolution than arcade version and looks arguably better/similar, save backgrounds.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

lol you again and your "facts" I doubt you ever played virtua fighter 2 in an arcade. yes it looks better than the saturn version. but definitley not a lot. backgrounds were better quite a bit, but saying it didn't hold a candle to the real deal. lol

bultje112

it's not a fact, it's his opinion

and I agree with him, Virtua fighter 2 arcade looks miles ahead of the Saturn version

heck, how can you even compare the two? Sega's Model 2 arcade was a beast of a machine

obviously you never played the arcade version either. the saturn version has (much) higher resolution than arcade version and looks arguably better/similar, save backgrounds.

nah, obviously you never played either the saturn or the arcade version

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] I know what you mean , although its interesting to note that I don't think the character models actually have more polygons on them in Remix, its just that they are textured which hides that. Im interested to see what the PC version of VF1 looks like, or how close is it to the arcade.Darkman2007

I actually heard the PC VF port is the best in terms of looking like the arcade.

Given how reletively cheap they are now (for an aracde cabinet), I'm trying to get my hands on an original VF arcade unit. I have such awesome memories of playing that game in the arcade when I was about 7/8 years old. The graphics, music, backgrounds, gameplay, all of it was and still is mindblowing to me. I think they cost about $300-$400 typically.

I wish I could tell you, but other than what I've read and seen online, I have no idea how a current GPU would handle that game. It looks pretty good though, better than the Saturn version for sure.

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] I know what you mean , although its interesting to note that I don't think the character models actually have more polygons on them in Remix, its just that they are textured which hides that. Im interested to see what the PC version of VF1 looks like, or how close is it to the arcade.Heirren

I actually heard the PC VF port is the best in terms of looking like the arcade.

Given how reletively cheap they are now (for an aracde cabinet), I'm trying to get my hands on an original VF arcade unit. I have such awesome memories of playing that game in the arcade when I was about 7/8 years old. The graphics, music, backgrounds, gameplay, all of it was and still is mindblowing to me. I think they cost about $300-$400 typically.

I think it all depends on where you look. I've seen one working machine go for about $275 on Ebay about 6-months ago, but have seen several people try and sell working and non-working cabinets for $300 to $500. I could have kicked myself, but there was some guy on Craigslist who was liquidating an arcade he owned and had all of his cabinets listed, including a "mint condition" VF cabinet for $250. This was back in June when I found the listing, however I found it almost two months after it was originally posted. I emailed him and said that it was sold. One way or another, I would have found a way to buy it had it still been available.

But arcade parts vary in price depending on what you need and where you look for them. The best thing is to try and find arcade auctions; I heard you can find donor cabinets for as little as $10.

Which is better , fighting vipers or fighters megamix? I'm trying to add a bunch of fighting games to my older systems( Saturn, Dreamcast, Genesis, 32X) . I was thinking of also getting Battle Arena Toshiden Remix. godzillavskong

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

I actually heard the PC VF port is the best in terms of looking like the arcade.

Given how reletively cheap they are now (for an aracde cabinet), I'm trying to get my hands on an original VF arcade unit. I have such awesome memories of playing that game in the arcade when I was about 7/8 years old. The graphics, music, backgrounds, gameplay, all of it was and still is mindblowing to me. I think they cost about $300-$400 typically.

Shenmue_Jehuty

I wish I could tell you, but other than what I've read and seen online, I have no idea how a current GPU would handle that game. It looks pretty good though, better than the Saturn version for sure.