SNES vs Genesis/MD: Game Quality

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#1 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

So, let's settle this once and for all... :P

Which system, do you believe, had the, overall, higher-quality games that aged better and were generally more polished, better designed and superior in every way?

I expect some heavy arguments but try not to flame each other or bring down the personal attacks so that we can still discuss in a civilized (if passionate) manner. ;)

Anyway, it was SNES, obviously.

The games were just of a higher quality than anything on a Sega console.

 

Let arguing begin :D

#2 Posted by Dudersaper (32949 posts) -
"Once and for all" Just like the other 1000 times... Anyway, I dunno. I like alot in both, from all generations, the battle where I'm most indecisive about which I prefer is the SNES vs Genesis. I'd go for the Genesis in this particular poll because I've been playing Sonic.
#3 Posted by rilpas (8222 posts) -

I love both, but I'd go for the Genesis, ironic part, I'm not that big of a fan of Sonic.

For example I think Sonic 1 is really good and Sonic 3+Knuckles is awesome, but Super Mario World is much better, but I still prefer the Genesis.

To me, Shadowrun on the Genesis is the best 16 bit game ever made, so ahead of it's time that to this day it does things that even current generation WRPGs don't my 2nd favourite 16 bit game is super metroid. From that point on it becomes a close battle between the Genesis and the SNES with the Genesis winning a minor lead.

For example: (Blue Favours Sega, red Favours Nintendo)

  • I prefer Castlevania Bloodlines over Super Castlevania 4 (TBH I find Super Castlevania 4 a pretty boring game)
  • I prefer Contra hardcorps over Contra 3
  • I think Final Fantasy 6 is the best JRPG of it's time with Chrono Trigger, Phantasy Star 4 and Shining Force 2 fighting for 2nd place
  • I think Streets of Rage 2 is the best beat' em up of it's time
  • Killer Instinct is a better fighting game then any exclusive Genesis fighter imo
  •  I much prefer the Genesis fast paced SHMUPS over the SNES ones (though I do love UN Squadron)
  • I think Actraiser is the best Action Adventure game on the 16 bit console

 umm.. what else...

  • Oh, I know it's a guilty pleasure, but I love D&D: Warriors of the Eternal Sun
  • I also don't really count games like Dune 2, Wolfenstein 3D, Doom or Sim City or Might and Magic because I'd much rather play them on the PC
#4 Posted by boredom_kills (190 posts) -

SNES. My opinion on this hasn't changed since 1992.

#5 Posted by osirisx3 (1739 posts) -

Nintendos first party games destory what sega had.

#6 Posted by CPX7700 (21 posts) -
I prefer the Genesis mostly because I had one for longer than I had the SNES, but I liked the Sonic the Hedgehog games, Gunstar Heroes, Kid Chameleon, and some others. If you like sports games, the Genesis wins by a long shot. Sure, the colors and music were not as good on the Genesis, but the Genesis had a much faster processor which allowed it to deliver high speed games such as Sonic. I voted "lol, consoles" because I am a PC gamer and, let's face it, the Genesis and SNES couldn't keep up with the PC back then. The first person shooter was emerging, and the SNES and even the 32X versions of Doom were garbage. The 16-bit era didn't last long enough anyway, the PlayStation destroyed them.
#7 Posted by Renegade_Fury (17019 posts) -

Oh hey, I've never seen this comparison before.

This war will never die, and I love it. I feel bad for those that missed out on it in its prime, because current gen wars are so boring in comparison.

But anyway, Genesis is the right answer. We got the best platformer in Sonic, the greatest game of all time/beat 'em up in Streets of Rage 2, the greatest shmup of all time in MUSHA, the greatest RTS of the era in Herzog Zwei, the title of best platform for sports games, and so and so on. The only title I can say the SNES owns definitively is RPG, which I give that honor to Chrono Trigger. Multiplats I again have to give Genesis the nod because they run faster, and the Genesis controllers are superior to the SNES one. Music, again the Genesis wins. You might say what to the that, but I'm sorry, Genesis music at its best rocks the universe. Nothing on SNES comes close to the tracks provided by Technosoft, Seismic, Yuzo Koshiro, Dreams Come True , etc. I honestly can't stand listening to the butchered soundtracks on the SNES like Mega Turrican's and Street Figher 2's, which sounds nothing like the arcade version. SNES music suffers from what I like to call "trumpet syndrome," and it's only in some games like Mega Man X that this does not bother me.

As for other Genesis advantages, for one, it actually has backwards compatibility thanks to the power base converter which was made by SEGA. Then we have the games from the 32X and SEGA CD which add a whole other dimension of quality. The 32X version of MKII and Doom for example, are the best console ports between the two.

So the Genesis is better without a doubt. I still give the SNES props for games like Mega Man X, Chrono Trigger, Super Metroid, ALttP, and F-Zero, but the 4 Sonic games on the Genesis and Sonic CD alone are enough to top those games. 

#8 Posted by mariokart64fan (19348 posts) -

snes because genesis missed so many games in my favorite franchises  and the audio in what genesis did get wasnt on to par with the snes counter part example top gear 2  the race music is gone ,  and rock n roll racing music sounds like they put the volume on  jazz and shipped it as a result unlike the snes counter part it doesnt so all rock n rolly ,   its got this jazzy sound,   i dont like it ,and same with zombies ate my neighbors ,   the music is muffled,   so i prefer the snes  ,  but i do like the sonic and streets of rage as well as golden axe games,   those where why i picked my genesis up , 

#9 Posted by CaptainGamespot (609 posts) -

both are amazing and wonderful.

snes by a hair though.

#10 Posted by BarbaricAvatar (977 posts) -

Megadrive.

I never felt like an adult playing with kids toys when i was on it, the games i played had action, guns and death. Apart from Sonic.

#11 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

Both are 2 of the greatest systems ever made, and both deserve to be in any cIassic gamer's collection.

That said, if I had to choose between the 2 systems for whatever reason, I'd choose the SNES. And that's because I don't want to ever be without Super Mario World, Super Metroid, Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, and Donkey Kong Country. Those games alone make it the better system, IMO. Then you add the awesome JRPG selection and the great beat-em ups and it's one of the best game libraries of any system.

#12 Posted by _TheJoker_ (6013 posts) -

SNES for me because of my love for old school RPGs.

#13 Posted by Lucianu (9312 posts) -

I love both consoles, Donkey Kong Country 1 - 3, Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, Super Mario All-Stars and Super Metroid are some of favorite ever. But, i gotta go with the Genesis. There are a ton of games that i love more here, so many quality, fluid shmups, beat 'em ups and action-platformers. 

If i liked 16bit RPGs more, i would probably give it to the SNES, but apart from Chrono Trigger & Earthbound, a lot of these 16bit RPGs just aren't good.. at all, for me. 

 

#14 Posted by MicrosoftVP_Ted (77 posts) -

Nintendos first party games destory what sega had.

osirisx3
Like what? We need more lists in the thread. :) Anyway, the SNES is not in my
#15 Posted by MicrosoftVP_Ted (77 posts) -
The SNES is not in my eye, worth it, and gamespot posted my previous for me automaticaly before I finished. Back to the point, it had very few games that were worth it to me, and every single system in competition for it during the gen, every single one had me more interested. The SNES is not bad, just nothing there outside a few gems. Ok, I guess the CD-I doesn't beat the SNES, but all other competition.
#16 Posted by LittleMac19 (1638 posts) -
SNES, the Genesis kept up for a little while but the SNES prevailed both sales and quality wise.
#17 Posted by MicrosoftVP_Ted (77 posts) -

I love both, but I'd go for the Genesis, ironic part, I'm not that big of a fan of Sonic.

For example I think Sonic 1 is really good and Sonic 3+Knuckles is awesome, but Super Mario World is much better, but I still prefer the Genesis.

To me, Shadowrun on the Genesis is the best 16 bit game ever made, so ahead of it's time that to this day it does things that even current generation WRPGs don't my 2nd favourite 16 bit game is super metroid. From that point on it becomes a close battle between the Genesis and the SNES with the Genesis winning a minor lead.

For example: (Blue Favours Sega, red Favours Nintendo)

I prefer Castlevania Bloodlines over Super Castlevania 4 (TBH I find Super Castlevania 4 a pretty boring game)I prefer Contra hardcorps over Contra 3I think Final Fantasy 6 is the best JRPG of it's time with Chrono Trigger, Phantasy Star 4 and Shining Force 2 fighting for 2nd placeI think Streets of Rage 2 is the best beat' em up of it's timeKiller Instinct is a better fighting game then any exclusive Genesis fighter imo I much prefer the Genesis fast paced SHMUPS over the SNES ones (though I do love UN Squadron)I think Actraiser is the best Action Adventure game on the 16 bit console

 umm.. what else...

Oh, I know it's a guilty pleasure, but I love D&D: Warriors of the Eternal SunI also don't really count games like Dune 2, Wolfenstein 3D, Doom or Sim City or Might and Magic because I'd much rather play them on the PCrilpas
I disagree with fighters, with better in cases and faster versions of games like SF and Mortal Kombat most importantly, you have these exclusive fighters:    I would also have to politely decline Action-Adventures with these classics:
#18 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

I love both, but I'd go for the Genesis, ironic part, I'm not that big of a fan of Sonic.

For example I think Sonic 1 is really good and Sonic 3+Knuckles is awesome, but Super Mario World is much better, but I still prefer the Genesis.

To me, Shadowrun on the Genesis is the best 16 bit game ever made, so ahead of it's time that to this day it does things that even current generation WRPGs don't my 2nd favourite 16 bit game is super metroid. From that point on it becomes a close battle between the Genesis and the SNES with the Genesis winning a minor lead.

For example: (Blue Favours Sega, red Favours Nintendo)

I prefer Castlevania Bloodlines over Super Castlevania 4 (TBH I find Super Castlevania 4 a pretty boring game)I prefer Contra hardcorps over Contra 3I think Final Fantasy 6 is the best JRPG of it's time with Chrono Trigger, Phantasy Star 4 and Shining Force 2 fighting for 2nd placeI think Streets of Rage 2 is the best beat' em up of it's timeKiller Instinct is a better fighting game then any exclusive Genesis fighter imo I much prefer the Genesis fast paced SHMUPS over the SNES ones (though I do love UN Squadron)I think Actraiser is the best Action Adventure game on the 16 bit console

umm.. what else...

Oh, I know it's a guilty pleasure, but I love D&D: Warriors of the Eternal SunI also don't really count games like Dune 2, Wolfenstein 3D, Doom or Sim City or Might and Magic because I'd much rather play them on the PCMicrosoftVP_Ted

I disagree with fighters, with better in cases and faster versions of games like SF and Mortal Kombat most importantly, you have these exclusive fighters:    I would also have to politely decline Action-Adventures with these classics:

Those are some great games. Especially Eternal Champions which I think is constantly underrated.

But the SNES did have the better versions of Mortal Kombat 2, 3, & Ultimate and the better versions of the Street Fighter games. Which were the games that most fighting game fans were playing back then.

#19 Posted by rilpas (8222 posts) -
I think the Immortal is a great game, but I'd still choose actraiser over it
#20 Posted by MicrosoftVP_Ted (77 posts) -

[QUOTE="MicrosoftVP_Ted"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

I love both, but I'd go for the Genesis, ironic part, I'm not that big of a fan of Sonic.

For example I think Sonic 1 is really good and Sonic 3+Knuckles is awesome, but Super Mario World is much better, but I still prefer the Genesis.

To me, Shadowrun on the Genesis is the best 16 bit game ever made, so ahead of it's time that to this day it does things that even current generation WRPGs don't my 2nd favourite 16 bit game is super metroid. From that point on it becomes a close battle between the Genesis and the SNES with the Genesis winning a minor lead.

For example: (Blue Favours Sega, red Favours Nintendo)

I prefer Castlevania Bloodlines over Super Castlevania 4 (TBH I find Super Castlevania 4 a pretty boring game)I prefer Contra hardcorps over Contra 3I think Final Fantasy 6 is the best JRPG of it's time with Chrono Trigger, Phantasy Star 4 and Shining Force 2 fighting for 2nd placeI think Streets of Rage 2 is the best beat' em up of it's timeKiller Instinct is a better fighting game then any exclusive Genesis fighter imo I much prefer the Genesis fast paced SHMUPS over the SNES ones (though I do love UN Squadron)I think Actraiser is the best Action Adventure game on the 16 bit console

umm.. what else...

Oh, I know it's a guilty pleasure, but I love D&D: Warriors of the Eternal SunI also don't really count games like Dune 2, Wolfenstein 3D, Doom or Sim City or Might and Magic because I'd much rather play them on the PCEmerald_Warrior

I disagree with fighters, with better in cases and faster versions of games like SF and Mortal Kombat most importantly, you have these exclusive fighters:    I would also have to politely decline Action-Adventures with these classics:

Those are some great games. Especially Eternal Champions which I think is constantly underrated.

But the SNES did have the better versions of Mortal Kombat 2, 3, & Ultimate and the better versions of the Street Fighter games. Which were the games that most fighting game fans were playing back then.

I don't know about better other than graphics. I don't know about you, but with faster animations, and no slowdown along with more comfortable to press quickly controller, I would think Fighters were more playable, especially in intense button pressing action, on the Genesis. At least with games that aren't Street Fighter, that game is naturally slow. Keep in mind many gamers brought MK on the Genesis.
#21 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="MicrosoftVP_Ted"] I disagree with fighters, with better in cases and faster versions of games like SF and Mortal Kombat most importantly, you have these exclusive fighters:    I would also have to politely decline Action-Adventures with these classics:    MicrosoftVP_Ted

Those are some great games. Especially Eternal Champions which I think is constantly underrated.

But the SNES did have the better versions of Mortal Kombat 2, 3, & Ultimate and the better versions of the Street Fighter games. Which were the games that most fighting game fans were playing back then.

I don't know about better other than graphics. I don't know about you, but with faster animations, and no slowdown along with more comfortable to press quickly controller, I would think Fighters were more playable, especially in intense button pressing action, on the Genesis. At least with games that aren't Street Fighter, that game is naturally slow. Keep in mind many gamers brought MK on the Genesis.

Yeah, MK 1 because the SNES version is censored, notice I didn't include MK 1 in that post. But it's completely obvous on MK 2, 3, and Ultimate that the SNES versions are better.

No way you could say that Genesis controller was better on fighting games. You had to go out and buy a special 6-button controller to play the fighting games properly on Genesis. Especially with MK. You had to press Start to switch between punches and kicks if you didn't buy the 6-button contrller, which is annoying as hell. On the other hand, the stock controller on SNES already has 6-buttons and works well for fighting games.

#22 Posted by MicrosoftVP_Ted (77 posts) -

[QUOTE="MicrosoftVP_Ted"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Those are some great games. Especially Eternal Champions which I think is constantly underrated.

But the SNES did have the better versions of Mortal Kombat 2, 3, & Ultimate and the better versions of the Street Fighter games. Which were the games that most fighting game fans were playing back then.

Emerald_Warrior

I don't know about better other than graphics. I don't know about you, but with faster animations, and no slowdown along with more comfortable to press quickly controller, I would think Fighters were more playable, especially in intense button pressing action, on the Genesis. At least with games that aren't Street Fighter, that game is naturally slow. Keep in mind many gamers brought MK on the Genesis.

Yeah, MK 1 because the SNES version is censored, notice I didn't include MK 1 in that post. But it's completely obvous on MK 2, 3, and Ultimate that the SNES versions are better.

No way you could say that Genesis controller was better on fighting games. You had to go out and buy a special 6-button controller to play the fighting games properly on Genesis. Especially with MK. You had to press Start to switch between punches and kicks if you didn't buy the 6-button contrller, which is annoying as hell. On the other hand, the stock controller on SNES already has 6-buttons and works well for fighting games.

You seem to be ignoring what I sad, best version to you is graphics. Best version to me is playable framerate, controller reacts faster to inputs making more intense fighting without slowdown or graphical glitches, which is why I said the controller was better for fighting games., which the SNEs has. I will take that over "slightly" better graphics in MK anyday, or other multiplat fighting games.
#23 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="MicrosoftVP_Ted"] I don't know about better other than graphics. I don't know about you, but with faster animations, and no slowdown along with more comfortable to press quickly controller, I would think Fighters were more playable, especially in intense button pressing action, on the Genesis. At least with games that aren't Street Fighter, that game is naturally slow. Keep in mind many gamers brought MK on the Genesis.MicrosoftVP_Ted

Yeah, MK 1 because the SNES version is censored, notice I didn't include MK 1 in that post. But it's completely obvous on MK 2, 3, and Ultimate that the SNES versions are better.

No way you could say that Genesis controller was better on fighting games. You had to go out and buy a special 6-button controller to play the fighting games properly on Genesis. Especially with MK. You had to press Start to switch between punches and kicks if you didn't buy the 6-button contrller, which is annoying as hell. On the other hand, the stock controller on SNES already has 6-buttons and works well for fighting games.

You seem to be ignoring what I sad, best version to you is graphics. Best version to me is playable framerate, controller reacts faster to inputs making more intense fighting without slowdown or graphical glitches, which is why I said the controller was better for fighting games., which the SNEs has. I will take that over "slightly" better graphics in MK anyday, or other multiplat fighting games.

What slowdown are you talking about? And what controller input issues are there? Are you just making things up to sound like you're right, or what?

#24 Posted by Heirren (16275 posts) -
Most of those fighters up there are trash. Eternal Champions is a joke and the genesis version of Virtua Fighter 2 is terrible. Both are great consoles but there are a handful of snes games that are in a league of their own, which stand the test of time and excell on all fronts of game design.
#25 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

Most of those fighters up there are trash. Eternal Champions is a joke and the genesis version of Virtua Fighter 2 is terrible. Both are great consoles but there are a handful of snes games that are in a league of their own, which stand the test of time and excell on all fronts of game design. Heirren

Eternal Champions is a great fighting game with a fantastic comic book like style to it. Love the different eras that the characters and environments come from. And the production value is through the roof. Outstanding graphics for a Genesis game, and the manual is practically the size of a small novel. It's got to be the most underrated fighting game on the Genesis.

I think most people look at the cover and just assume it's cheesy based off of that.

#26 Posted by Heirren (16275 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heirren"]Most of those fighters up there are trash. Eternal Champions is a joke and the genesis version of Virtua Fighter 2 is terrible. Both are great consoles but there are a handful of snes games that are in a league of their own, which stand the test of time and excell on all fronts of game design. Emerald_Warrior

Eternal Champions is a great fighting game with a fantastic comic book like style to it. Love the different eras that the characters and environments come from. And the production value is through the roof. Outstanding graphics for a Genesis game, and the manual is practically the size of a small novel. It's got to be the most underrated fighting game on the Genesis.

I think most people look at the cover and just assume it's cheesy based off of that.

As a fighting game fanatic, especially in the 90s, I completely disagree.
#27 Posted by Allicrombie (25114 posts) -
SNES had RPGs, thats all I really cared about.
#28 Posted by logicalfrank (1641 posts) -

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]Most of those fighters up there are trash. Eternal Champions is a joke and the genesis version of Virtua Fighter 2 is terrible. Both are great consoles but there are a handful of snes games that are in a league of their own, which stand the test of time and excell on all fronts of game design. Heirren

Eternal Champions is a great fighting game with a fantastic comic book like style to it. Love the different eras that the characters and environments come from. And the production value is through the roof. Outstanding graphics for a Genesis game, and the manual is practically the size of a small novel. It's got to be the most underrated fighting game on the Genesis.

I think most people look at the cover and just assume it's cheesy based off of that.

As a fighting game fanatic, especially in the 90s, I completely disagree.

 

I got the Sega CD version from a bargain bin way back then and tend to agree. I always thought it felt pretty generic and could never get into it. The graphics are pretty good but the colors are kind of dismal in a bland sort of way. I didn't much care for the sound either. It's been a long time since I've played it though.

#29 Posted by rilpas (8222 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Eternal Champions is a great fighting game with a fantastic comic book like style to it. Love the different eras that the characters and environments come from. And the production value is through the roof. Outstanding graphics for a Genesis game, and the manual is practically the size of a small novel. It's got to be the most underrated fighting game on the Genesis.

I think most people look at the cover and just assume it's cheesy based off of that.

logicalfrank

As a fighting game fanatic, especially in the 90s, I completely disagree.

 

I got the Sega CD version from a bargain bin way back then and tend to agree. I always thought it felt pretty generic and could never get into it. The graphics are pretty good but the colors are kind of dismal in a bland sort of way. I didn't much care for the sound either. It's been a long time since I've played it though.

actually the Sega CD version is the sequel as it adds a lot of new stuff

personally I don't like the Genesis version, but the sequel plays much better imo and is actually a good game, though I don't count the Sega Cd/32X when comparing it with the SNES

#30 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

Most of those fighters up there are trash. Eternal Champions is a joke and the genesis version of Virtua Fighter 2 is terrible. Both are great consoles but there are a handful of snes games that are in a league of their own, which stand the test of time and excell on all fronts of game design. Heirren

 

I wouldn't call EC "a joke" but a mediocre fighter instead.

Not really comparable to Killer Instinct, imo, but it did had some cool finishing moves. (esp. in the Sega CD version which is shown)

Virtua Fighter 2, on the other hand, was pretty crappy on Genesis, imo.

Putting a 3D fighter in 2 dimensions was not really a good idea.

#31 Posted by MagnusDracoRex (27 posts) -
Easily the SNES.
#32 Posted by Jag85 (4351 posts) -

The way I see it:

The MD/GEN was the better console for action games.

The SNES was the better console for role-playing games.

The PCE/TG16 was the better console for adventure games.

#33 Posted by Blueresident87 (5312 posts) -

SNES.

I wear nostalgia glasses during every discussion of SNES though, and I don't care

#34 Posted by Change_MyShorts (76 posts) -

So, let's settle this once and for all... :P

Which system, do you believe, had the, overall, higher-quality games that aged better and were generally more polished, better designed and superior in every way?

I expect some heavy arguments but try not to flame each other or bring down the personal attacks so that we can still discuss in a civilized (if passionate) manner. ;)

Anyway, it was SNES, obviously.

The games were just of a higher quality than anything on a Sega console.

Let arguing begin :D

nameless12345

My Genesis gets plugged in and re-played far more than my SNES. Aside from Donkey Kong Country, Super Mario World, and a few others...I never feel the urge to play it.

The Genesis is the one time Sega GOT IT ALL right.

#35 Posted by Jag85 (4351 posts) -

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

So, let's settle this once and for all... :P

Which system, do you believe, had the, overall, higher-quality games that aged better and were generally more polished, better designed and superior in every way?

I expect some heavy arguments but try not to flame each other or bring down the personal attacks so that we can still discuss in a civilized (if passionate) manner. ;)

Anyway, it was SNES, obviously.

The games were just of a higher quality than anything on a Sega console.

Let arguing begin :D

Change_MyShorts

My Genesis gets plugged in and re-played far more than my SNES. Aside from Donkey Kong Country, Super Mario World, and a few others...I never feel the urge to play it.

The Genesis is the one time Sega GOT IT ALL right.

Well, they didn't get everything right, since the Mega Drive did quite poorly in Japan (where it came third place behind the PC Engine). However, Sega rectified that with the Saturn, which became their most successful console in Japan and yet their biggest failure overseas. The Dreamcast was in a similar situation to the Mega Drive, selling well overseas but poorly in Japan. And finally, the Master System was a major success in Europe and South America, but sold poorly in Japan and North America. The reason why the Mega Drive and Saturn were such polar opposites in success was most likely due to which titles were released for which markets. The Mega Drive's line-up in Japan was weak, yet its library overseas was very strong. On the other hand, the Saturn had a very strong library in Japan, yet most of those games never made it overseas. The Master System also had a very strong library in Europe and South America, but a weak line-up in Japan and North America. Either way, the same could be said for Nintendo's consoles to an extent. The NES was the leader in Japan and North America but came second place in Europe, while the SNES was the leader in Japan but came second place overseas. As for the N64, that did well overseas but sold poorly in Japan.
#36 Posted by Admiral-lemnant (150 posts) -

[QUOTE="Change_MyShorts"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

So, let's settle this once and for all... :P

Which system, do you believe, had the, overall, higher-quality games that aged better and were generally more polished, better designed and superior in every way?

I expect some heavy arguments but try not to flame each other or bring down the personal attacks so that we can still discuss in a civilized (if passionate) manner. ;)

Anyway, it was SNES, obviously.

The games were just of a higher quality than anything on a Sega console.

 

Let arguing begin :D

Jag85

My Genesis gets plugged in and re-played far more than my SNES. Aside from Donkey Kong Country, Super Mario World, and a few others...I never feel the urge to play it.

The Genesis is the one time Sega GOT IT ALL right.

Well, they didn't get everything right, since the Mega Drive did quite poorly in Japan (where it came third place behind the PC Engine). However, Sega rectified that with the Saturn, which became their most successful console in Japan and yet their biggest failure overseas. The Dreamcast was in a similar situation to the Mega Drive, selling well overseas but poorly in Japan. And finally, the Master System was a major success in Europe and South America, but sold poorly in Japan and North America. The reason why the Mega Drive and Saturn were such polar opposites in success was most likely due to which titles were released for which markets. The Mega Drive's line-up in Japan was weak, yet its library overseas was very strong. On the other hand, the Saturn had a very strong library in Japan, yet most of those games never made it overseas. The Master System also had a very strong library in Europe and South America, but a weak line-up in Japan and North America. Either way, the same could be said for Nintendo's consoles to an extent. The NES was the leader in Japan and North America but came second place in Europe, while the SNES was the leader in Japan but came second place overseas. As for the N64, that did well overseas but sold poorly in Japan.

 

SMS sold oer 10 million so I don't know about the SMS selling poorly. Heck, the 7800 was in the black and that sold 2x less. I think the lack of spending money on marketing hurt the master system it had really nothing to do with software, I mean look at the art design?

#37 Posted by Change_MyShorts (76 posts) -

[QUOTE="Change_MyShorts"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

So, let's settle this once and for all... :P

Which system, do you believe, had the, overall, higher-quality games that aged better and were generally more polished, better designed and superior in every way?

I expect some heavy arguments but try not to flame each other or bring down the personal attacks so that we can still discuss in a civilized (if passionate) manner. ;)

Anyway, it was SNES, obviously.

The games were just of a higher quality than anything on a Sega console.

Let arguing begin :D

Jag85

My Genesis gets plugged in and re-played far more than my SNES. Aside from Donkey Kong Country, Super Mario World, and a few others...I never feel the urge to play it.

The Genesis is the one time Sega GOT IT ALL right.

Well, they didn't get everything right, since the Mega Drive did quite poorly in Japan (where it came third place behind the PC Engine). However, Sega rectified that with the Saturn, which became their most successful console in Japan and yet their biggest failure overseas. The Dreamcast was in a similar situation to the Mega Drive, selling well overseas but poorly in Japan. And finally, the Master System was a major success in Europe and South America, but sold poorly in Japan and North America. The reason why the Mega Drive and Saturn were such polar opposites in success was most likely due to which titles were released for which markets. The Mega Drive's line-up in Japan was weak, yet its library overseas was very strong. On the other hand, the Saturn had a very strong library in Japan, yet most of those games never made it overseas. The Master System also had a very strong library in Europe and South America, but a weak line-up in Japan and North America. Either way, the same could be said for Nintendo's consoles to an extent. The NES was the leader in Japan and North America but came second place in Europe, while the SNES was the leader in Japan but came second place overseas. As for the N64, that did well overseas but sold poorly in Japan.

History class aside... the Genesis is the only Sega Console to get it right. Just look at the sales figures and library, both are larger than any other Sega Console. For what ever reason be it games, pricing, timing, marketing...the Genesis put a hurting on Nintendo for a while.

#38 Posted by Jag85 (4351 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

Well, they didn't get everything right, since the Mega Drive did quite poorly in Japan (where it came third place behind the PC Engine). However, Sega rectified that with the Saturn, which became their most successful console in Japan and yet their biggest failure overseas. The Dreamcast was in a similar situation to the Mega Drive, selling well overseas but poorly in Japan. And finally, the Master System was a major success in Europe and South America, but sold poorly in Japan and North America.

The reason why the Mega Drive and Saturn were such polar opposites in success was most likely due to which titles were released for which markets. The Mega Drive's line-up in Japan was weak, yet its library overseas was very strong. On the other hand, the Saturn had a very strong library in Japan, yet most of those games never made it overseas. The Master System also had a very strong library in Europe and South America, but a weak line-up in Japan and North America.

Either way, the same could be said for Nintendo's consoles to an extent. The NES was the leader in Japan and North America but came second place in Europe, while the SNES was the leader in Japan but came second place overseas. As for the N64, that did well overseas but sold poorly in Japan.

Admiral-lemnant

SMS sold oer 10 million so I don't know about the SMS selling poorly. Heck, the 7800 was in the black and that sold 2x less. I think the lack of spending money on marketing hurt the master system it had really nothing to do with software, I mean look at the art design?

Did you actually read what I said? I clearly stated that the Sega Master System was a major success in Europe and South America (dominating over the NES in both regions), but sold poorly in Japan and North America. In total, the SMS sold at least 15 million units worldwide, including at least 7 million in Western Europe and 5 million in Brazil.

What really hurt the SMS in Japan and North America were Nintendo's exclusive third-party licenses. The SMS had a very large library of games released in Europe and South America, both first-party and third-party, but Sega were only able to release a fraction of those games in Japan and North America, largely because of Nintendo's third-party exclusivity deals in those regions.

Likewise, the Saturn also had a very large library of games available in Japan, especially when it came to the RPG genre, but only a fraction of them were released overseas. Not sure what role Sony's third-party licenses may have played, but I'd say Sega's failure to bring over many of its Japanese titles had more to do with Sega probably thinking RPG's wouldn't sell well in the Western world, until Sony proved them wrong by bringing over FFVII and a bunch of other RPG's after it.

History class aside... the Genesis is the only Sega Console to get it right. Just look at the sales figures and library, both are larger than any other Sega Console. For what ever reason be it games, pricing, timing, marketing...the Genesis put a hurting on Nintendo for a while.

Change_MyShorts

Yes, but my point is that the Mega Drive didn't get it quite right for the Japanese market (where it came third place behind the PC Engine), despite being Sega's best performing console worldwide. If it wasn't for its weak performance in Japan, the Mega Drive would have been the best-selling console of the 16-bit era, since it outsold the SNES in every other region (including North America, Europe, and South America).

#39 Posted by MrYaotubo (2605 posts) -
The Mega Drive,easily as far as I´m concerned.
#40 Posted by rilpas (8222 posts) -

History class aside... the Genesis is the only Sega Console to get it right. Just look at the sales figures and library, both are larger than any other Sega Console. For what ever reason be it games, pricing, timing, marketing...the Genesis put a hurting on Nintendo for a while.

Change_MyShorts

actually the Saturn is the console with the most games, it's just that most of them were Japan exclusive

#41 Posted by MLBknights58 (5015 posts) -

Oh hey, I've never seen this comparison before.

This war will never die, and I love it. I feel bad for those that missed out on it in its prime, because current gen wars are so boring in comparison.

Renegade_Fury

I feel the exact same way.  

That said, Sonic alone tops Megaman X?  Shiiiiiet u crazy. :P

Genesis had some greats that's for sure, especially Gunstar Heroes, oh my god Gunstar Heroes,  but the SNES library is littered with such heavy hitters that to this day I never thought the Genesis stood a chance!

Demons Crest, Actraiser I-II, Illusion of Gaia, Megaman X series, Secret of Mana, the Final Fantasies, Breath of Fire, Castlevania ( Genesis kids did have the better CV's I feel though despite IV's whip innovations) Megaman 7, Turtles in Time, Lufia I-II I mean my god, the list never ends.

I absolutely love having these arguments, if nothing more than to discuss the great battle of SEGA and Nintendo during the 90's, and the wonderful games involved.  Even though my stance is never moved, not an even an inch. 

#42 Posted by Jag85 (4351 posts) -

[QUOTE="Change_MyShorts"]

 

History class aside... the Genesis is the only Sega Console to get it right. Just look at the sales figures and library, both are larger than any other Sega Console. For what ever reason be it games, pricing, timing, marketing...the Genesis put a hurting on Nintendo for a while.

rilpas

actually the Saturn is the console with the most games, it's just that most of them were Japan exclusive

You sure about that? According to Wikipedia's lists, the Mega Drive had 915 games, the Saturn had 596 games, and the Dreamcast had 720 games.

#43 Posted by rilpas (8222 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Change_MyShorts"]

 

History class aside... the Genesis is the only Sega Console to get it right. Just look at the sales figures and library, both are larger than any other Sega Console. For what ever reason be it games, pricing, timing, marketing...the Genesis put a hurting on Nintendo for a while.

Jag85

actually the Saturn is the console with the most games, it's just that most of them were Japan exclusive

You sure about that? According to Wikipedia's lists, the Mega Drive had 915 games, the Saturn had 596 games, and the Dreamcast had 720 games.

mm.. that's strange...  I could've sworn... heh, guess I was wrong

#44 Posted by gamenerd15 (4434 posts) -

SNES wins.  The SNES has games that are just as playable today as they were back then.  Mario World beats Sonic due to the big open world map and tons of secret levels.  The system had great RPG's like FF series, Chrono Trigger, and the Mana games.  With the exception of Mortal Kombat 1 and Samurai Showdown 1, the SNES had better versions of fighters due to a standard 6 button controller and newer hardware.  Voice clips do not sound scratchy like they do on the Genesis.  The Mortal Kombat games did not even have the announcer at all.  Genesis games tended to have a higher pitched sound to it.  Some games sounded more 8 bit, than 16 bit.  SNES music seem to be diverse with its instrumentation, although a lot of early games did suffer from too much use of the trumpet tone.  Ken's stage in Street Fighter 2, The World Warrior is particularly annoying.  Super Street Fighter 2 sounded much better.  Maximum Carnage sounded a lot worse on Genesis. 

 

The SNES game library stands the test of time better than Genesis does.  Mario World, Yoshi's Island, Kirby Super Star, Super Metroid Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu 3, the Donkey Kong Contry trilogy, Super Castlvania 4, Mario Kart, F-Zero, Legend of Zelda, and the Mega Man X trilogy are just as playable today as they were when they came out.  The same cannot be said of the Genesis.  Games such as Streets of Rage, Golden Axe, Altered Beast, The Revenge of Shinobi, and Flicky might have been cool back then, but they are not that playable in the world we live in now.  Shinobi 3, Ristar, Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Gunstar Heroes, Castlevania Blood Lines, and Contra Hard Corps are still pretty good though.  

The 16 bit era still remains the best one due to the fact that a lot of the games have aged well.  The fifth generation of consoles has aged the worst out of any of them so far. 

#45 Posted by Jag85 (4351 posts) -

SNES wins.  The SNES has games that are just as playable today as they were back then.  Mario World beats Sonic due to the big open world map and tons of secret levels.  The system had great RPG's like FF series, Chrono Trigger, and the Mana games.  With the exception of Mortal Kombat 1 and Samurai Showdown 1, the SNES had better versions of fighters due to a standard 6 button controller and newer hardware.  Voice clips do not sound scratchy like they do on the Genesis.  The Mortal Kombat games did not even have the announcer at all.  Genesis games tended to have a higher pitched sound to it.  Some games sounded more 8 bit, than 16 bit.  SNES music seem to be diverse with its instrumentation, although a lot of early games did suffer from too much use of the trumpet tone.  Ken's stage in Street Fighter 2, The World Warrior is particularly annoying.  Super Street Fighter 2 sounded much better.  Maximum Carnage sounded a lot worse on Genesis. 

 

The SNES game library stands the test of time better than Genesis does.  Mario World, Yoshi's Island, Kirby Super Star, Super Metroid Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu 3, the Donkey Kong Contry trilogy, Super Castlvania 4, Mario Kart, F-Zero, Legend of Zelda, and the Mega Man X trilogy are just as playable today as they were when they came out.  The same cannot be said of the Genesis.  Games such as Streets of Rage, Golden Axe, Altered Beast, The Revenge of Shinobi, and Flicky might have been cool back then, but they are not that playable in the world we live in now.  Shinobi 3, Ristar, Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Gunstar Heroes, Castlevania Blood Lines, and Contra Hard Corps are still pretty good though.  

The 16 bit era still remains the best one due to the fact that a lot of the games have aged well.  The fifth generation of consoles has aged the worst out of any of them so far. 

gamenerd15

What? I still play Streets of Rage 2 to this very day... more so than any SNES game, in fact,

As for your other points:

-I also play Sonic 2 to this day, more so than any Mario game. It may not be as long or open-world, but it makes up for it with more arcade-style fun and fast-paced excitement during its relatively shorter playthrough.

-The Yamaha FM synth sound chip for the Mega Drive was better than the SNES's Sony sound chip when it came to upbeat electronic music, which was better suited for action games than the low-quality acoustic PCM sampling of the SNES sound chip. For example, games like Fatal Fury and Ys III sounded better on the Mega Drive, while Mega Drive exclusives like Sonic and Streets of Rage had better soundtracks than most SNES action games. Nevertheless, the SNES sound chip did trump the Mega Drive when it came to the more downbeat ambient/acoustic music (i.e. most RPG music) as well as the sound effects.

#46 Posted by rilpas (8222 posts) -

[QUOTE="gamenerd15"]

SNES wins.  The SNES has games that are just as playable today as they were back then.  Mario World beats Sonic due to the big open world map and tons of secret levels.  The system had great RPG's like FF series, Chrono Trigger, and the Mana games.  With the exception of Mortal Kombat 1 and Samurai Showdown 1, the SNES had better versions of fighters due to a standard 6 button controller and newer hardware.  Voice clips do not sound scratchy like they do on the Genesis.  The Mortal Kombat games did not even have the announcer at all.  Genesis games tended to have a higher pitched sound to it.  Some games sounded more 8 bit, than 16 bit.  SNES music seem to be diverse with its instrumentation, although a lot of early games did suffer from too much use of the trumpet tone.  Ken's stage in Street Fighter 2, The World Warrior is particularly annoying.  Super Street Fighter 2 sounded much better.  Maximum Carnage sounded a lot worse on Genesis. 

 

The SNES game library stands the test of time better than Genesis does.  Mario World, Yoshi's Island, Kirby Super Star, Super Metroid Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu 3, the Donkey Kong Contry trilogy, Super Castlvania 4, Mario Kart, F-Zero, Legend of Zelda, and the Mega Man X trilogy are just as playable today as they were when they came out.  The same cannot be said of the Genesis.  Games such as Streets of Rage, Golden Axe, Altered Beast, The Revenge of Shinobi, and Flicky might have been cool back then, but they are not that playable in the world we live in now.  Shinobi 3, Ristar, Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Gunstar Heroes, Castlevania Blood Lines, and Contra Hard Corps are still pretty good though.  

The 16 bit era still remains the best one due to the fact that a lot of the games have aged well.  The fifth generation of consoles has aged the worst out of any of them so far. 

Jag85

What? I still play Streets of Rage 2 to this very day... more so than any SNES game, in fact,

 

same goes to Golden Axe and Revenge of Shinobi.

Also, Flicky was never popular even during its day, so I don't really see the point in mentioning it

#47 Posted by Jag85 (4351 posts) -

[QUOTE="gamenerd15"]

SNES wins.  The SNES has games that are just as playable today as they were back then.  Mario World beats Sonic due to the big open world map and tons of secret levels.  The system had great RPG's like FF series, Chrono Trigger, and the Mana games.  With the exception of Mortal Kombat 1 and Samurai Showdown 1, the SNES had better versions of fighters due to a standard 6 button controller and newer hardware.  Voice clips do not sound scratchy like they do on the Genesis.  The Mortal Kombat games did not even have the announcer at all.  Genesis games tended to have a higher pitched sound to it.  Some games sounded more 8 bit, than 16 bit.  SNES music seem to be diverse with its instrumentation, although a lot of early games did suffer from too much use of the trumpet tone.  Ken's stage in Street Fighter 2, The World Warrior is particularly annoying.  Super Street Fighter 2 sounded much better.  Maximum Carnage sounded a lot worse on Genesis. 

 

The SNES game library stands the test of time better than Genesis does.  Mario World, Yoshi's Island, Kirby Super Star, Super Metroid Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu 3, the Donkey Kong Contry trilogy, Super Castlvania 4, Mario Kart, F-Zero, Legend of Zelda, and the Mega Man X trilogy are just as playable today as they were when they came out.  The same cannot be said of the Genesis.  Games such as Streets of Rage, Golden Axe, Altered Beast, The Revenge of Shinobi, and Flicky might have been cool back then, but they are not that playable in the world we live in now.  Shinobi 3, Ristar, Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Gunstar Heroes, Castlevania Blood Lines, and Contra Hard Corps are still pretty good though.  

The 16 bit era still remains the best one due to the fact that a lot of the games have aged well.  The fifth generation of consoles has aged the worst out of any of them so far. 

Jag85

What? I still play Streets of Rage 2 to this very day... more so than any SNES game, in fact,

As for your other points:

-I also play Sonic 2 to this day, more so than any Mario game. It may not be as long or open-world, but it makes up for it with more arcade-style fun and fast-paced excitement during its relatively shorter playthrough.

-The Yamaha FM synth sound chip for the Mega Drive was better than the SNES's Sony sound chip when it came to upbeat electronic music, which was better suited for action games than the low-quality acoustic PCM sampling of the SNES sound chip. For example, games like Fatal Fury and Ys III sounded better on the Mega Drive, while Mega Drive exclusives like Sonic and Streets of Rage had better soundtracks than most SNES action games. Nevertheless, the SNES sound chip did trump the Mega Drive when it came to the more downbeat ambient/acoustic music (i.e. most RPG music) as well as the sound effects.

Speaking of audio quality... the PC Engine trumps both the SNES and Mega Drive in that area. Sure, the Mega Drive had a Sega CD add-on too, but it wasn't utilized to anywhere near the extent that the PC Engine CD-ROM was.
#48 Posted by Valknut4 (392 posts) -

If i liked 16bit RPGs more, i would probably give it to the SNES, but apart from Chrono Trigger & Earthbound, a lot of these 16bit RPGs just aren't good.. at all, for me. 

Lucianu

No FF6,4 or Super Mario RPG? : (

 

I give it SNES, quality of games to me is Gameplay >>> Graphics & Sound and the sounds on Geneisis was god awful.

#49 Posted by BloodyKingFrank (1 posts) -
SNES has the superior game library and system.
#50 Posted by YoshiYogurt (5973 posts) -
SNES game quality blows the Genesis out of the water. Not much I care for on the Genesis besides the Sonics and Castlevania Bloodlines.