Sexism in Gaming: The Documentary

My point is you can not just accept Stats at face value. I read an article about how there need more females programmer in gaming because 1 out of 8 programmers are females. I look up and found that 10% of all programmer is female. This mean that we need more female programmers in gaming because 12.5% of call game programmers are female while 10% of all programmers are females.

Sexism is a large gray area that many try to use large worlds and their deconstruction to justify their opinion.

I can't be critical before it comes out? I am asking basic questions here...

When was the last time a feminist like OP said "hey these people aren't misogynists, they have good points and they attacked my arguments and it seems like my arguments were wrong and hey **** it, I'm not gonna block their comments and cherry pick only the asshole comments for this video I'm gonna make to misrepresent everyone and reinforce my status as a professional victim"?

Answer: Never. And yes I'm being absolute intentionally.

So we shouldn't point out her already misplaced arguments and irrationality and we should just deal with this shit every time a nutjob feminist wakes up with a hard-on to vilify and demonise a whole community?

When someone says "hey I'm gonna discuss low IQ african americans and how these stupid african americans are an issue with our society", they're rightfully dismissed as a racist.

When someone says "hey I'm gonna discuss the extremist Islam and how suicide bombers are representative of muslims", they're rightfully dismissed as generalizing 1.6 billion people as terrorists.

When someone says "look I'm gonna discuss how pedophiles in the vatican are just destroying our society man, these christians just won't let go of these children we have to do something about" you're dismissed as some asshole putting everyone in a basket.

So when someone says "Look this industry is sexist, video games are sexist, people are sexist and sexists are a problem in the video game industry because they're REPRESENTATIVE of all gamers and are surely not just individuals being sexists; oh btw I won't try defining what sexism is yeah **** that" we're supposed to give them some slack? Why?

All the above categories of people have one thing in common. They grasp at straws, generalize, make assumptions and the most important thing: THEY DON'T TRY PROVING THE ASSUMPTIONS SO THE ASSUMPTIONS REMAIN ASSUMPTIONS.

You just can't claim that the industry is sexist and then just source every other argument you make from a false premise and expect people to not criticize when all your conclusion are as wrong as your presumption. This is by definition irrational.

Man I'm fed up explaining this shit every time.

Then stay out of these threads if you're tired of the subject. Anyway, you're just going to have to go all over this shit again when she comes out with her documentary, and she hasn't even PROVIDED any facts to criticize yet, so you might as well wait. Calm down, good sir.

You have nothing to criticize yet. You're automatically against her documentary, and you know nothing about it. Again, you probably know how it's going to turn out, so you might as well wait for it to come out so you don't have to repeat yourself yet again. She's set in her ways from her attitude, so she's not even going to listen to your argument until she presents hers in its entirety with the documentary. Save your energy.

Nah I'm not giving views to that shit. I don't get surprised by feminists going on imaginary rants anymore, I feel like that's a given noawadays but I'm mad people still fall for it because they think they're progressive and liberal when they're only just supporting an idea that in no way has ever been legitimized and actually harms relations between the two gender and encourages even more animosity.

It's funny how gamergaters like to claim they aren't sexist yet see any attack on sexism as an attack on them. OP is obviously a gamer so how can the documentary be an attack on gamers as a whole?

Because she labels the industry sexist without proving it is.

Except you haven't tackled her points, you just assumed she said something and tackled those delusions instead. If it's not sexism that drove you to make such baseless claims what was it?

Knock it off, you two -- and everyone else who can't keep their cool. Keep tossing around insults and you'll find yourself on a time-out.

What insults? You can't expect people to stop doing something if you don't tell them what it is.

OP claims she has these indisputable facts. You won't watch her documentary to find out. So, you have no argument then.

Because she hasn't stated her case yet....

Logic and experience with modern feminists.

When I see "I'll discuss sexism in X" I know it doesn't mean "I'll hit it on with a bunch of scientists and will look into creating a scientific thesis on the issue from an unbiased perspective".

What I see is "I'll not even try defining what sexism is, we'll just label anything we want sexist and we'll back it up with a circular logic of confirmation bias and pseudo-intellectualism and feminist buzzwords while also playing the victim and appealing to emotion".

The fact that she introduced herself as a "ruthless anita", the person who hasn't even made the LEAST effort to debate with people who disagree with her just reinforce my points.

Now, understand that I WANT to be proven wrong, I'd like very much to see her actually defining what sexism is and what it is not and engage in cases of sexual abuse and emotional abuse that females can face in this space but there's absolutely no indication she'll do that.

She'll just gonna make as you did and be a typical irrational feminist that throws labels around like they're worth shit when they're so overused.

I'm not giving the least benefit of doubt this time, no.

Who, exactly?

That is when people should talk to her about it and hope she will at least listen to her view point before.

Why don't you say how she was labelling the industry, you made the claim so why not prove it? It's ironic that you attack people for making claims without evidence when that's all you do. She clearly stated that the documentary is about a segment of the community, how on earth can you twist that to mean all gamers?.

How can she be a fraud if she isn't asking for money? You can call her arrogant, but she is obviously not a fraud and it's way to early to call her a liar.

To use your cop a squat on my dinner table analogy, I don't know she's going to shit on my table until she actually does it. I can think and expect she well, but for all I know, she could be constipated...

I will agree with you in saying that my expectations are low, HOWEVER, there is a possibly she could present an argument or some facts we haven't heard before. And I will agree with you in basing your assumption on her attitude, which I've already called her out on twice. That makes it easy to think she's just going to be another feminist. Maybe she's just overly excited about what she thinks she has, but no one KNOWS what she thinks she has until she actually puts it out there.

Again, you are wasting energy. If you already know what's coming, then there's no more point being in this thread.

Yeah I agree with you, imma go, there's no point.

Peace dude.

Yawn, i am guessing more feminist garbage?

I've seen what feminists have done before, and i am sceptical. However if what she says is backed by evidence, then sure have at it. But i am sceptical until we see anything and her claims. In this thread alone this is called attacking, and not criticizing apparantly

Oh, come on, it's just a bit premature, that's all. There's very little to criticize at this point (not because of her claims, but because of the absent reasoning and the announcement that the reasoning will follow in the future). You can be sceptical (and express it) without immediately countering her claims, since that serves no purpose at this moment in this context. You could have said what you're saying in the post I have quoted above, instead of immediately filling this thread with all those youtube videos, like you did in your very first post in this thread. There's every reason to be critical and sceptical, but I think you should not jump the gun and simply stick to the boundaries that were very clearly outlined at the beginning of this thread.

She has claims, i am being critical. There is nothing wrong with that and criticizing is not attacking.

I'm not denying that. I'm saying you're jumping the gun and countering claims before they are even substantiated. It's premature and serves no purpose.

Oh nice, feminist crap in the gaming industry, just awesome.

Yep.

The funny thing about feminists is that they don't seem to get that in a free market and with private companies only ruled by one thing "cash" there is no sexism or oppression of women. Because why would any company exclude themselves from a huge market if it was there. Its idiotic and if Anita, Hailtothequeen and all the others instead of whining came together and made their own game the way they wanted it, they would be able to see this for themselves.

And if its in the real world and workplace there are laws to prevent discrimination based on gender.

That won't stop them since sexism is not as clear as they try to make it seem. It comes down to "That cloud looks like a tree" and hiding that behind wordy statements. There is a reason that witch hunters are the greatest hunters.

The only real justification they have is trash talking that happens during game. As gamers have been calling for that to stop for a long time and many just stop listen or talking on those chats. There are some say they trash talking as apart of playing the game and it means little.

No, because she is claiming to have evidence, i am just questioning the truth behind them

I thought this post was closed, no?

To the OP. I wasn't debating the issue with you. I was merely providing a basis of an argument of the issue from facts. Per as a tip or suggestion for you to consider. To which, I have also provided an example from both sides of the argument to prove why perspective sometimes can detract from the facts. Which unfortunately, also leads to your post claiming that I "think it doesn't exist because you don't personally experience it or its not sexism from your perspective. You need to learn to put yourself in someone else's shoes". Meaning that if I was in the victims shoes and seeing their perspective, I would say they have been discriminated against. Correct? The "irony" of that statement really is funny as I have said that "I find that most arguments about sexism in videogames involve in little substance. It seems more towards a matter of perspective rather than actual sexism."

I could go into more details and explanations but it seems the OP has already consider the gaming community guilty of sexism and is out to prove herself right. An unfortunate one-sided discussion of the issue. Again, the irony in full flesh.

@cdragon_88: That has been my criticism aswell

So this thread is about men being treated unfairly in gaming? Sounds interesting.

Not really since TS is a female and is talking about what her and Anita thinks is sexism.

yeah i was about to say the same, she claims she has evidence of this

What is the deal here exactly? Is it sexism in online games from male players harrasing females? Or generally speaking sexism in various games?

If that's the case they both exist, usually though there are mostly teenagers who don't know how to behave talking shit on the mic or premature males with no respect for the opposite gender. It's a shame really, i have allways thought it was cool that girls game and if i saw or heard this in real life i would most likely give them a slap in the back of their heads and told them to shut up.

About sexism generally speaking in the world of videogames, that one is hard for me as a male gamer to see, maybe because i havn't really thought about it in all these years i have been playing videogames, but it does exist.

Let's think about it for a second, if the devs that made the fighting game Dead or Alive took away the bouncing boobs and the bikinis on the female characters and instead focused on male characters in trousers with huge bouncing ballsacks, would male gamers react to this and feel offended? I think some male gamers would and that's an understatement and some would just laugh it off and think it was just funny. One thing female gamers have to take into consederation though is that some of these games are made mostly for male gamers and if they changed the formula like that example i wrote above the developers would lose that target audience and an awfull lot of cash. It's the same with movies, different movies for different audience, that's how it allways has been.

Btw Awesome to hear you are playing FPS games TC, and thanks for good words regarding my 5 year old gamer daughter.

Even who the "victim" is base off perspective. You can push that females are but that is about what you see as what is happening to them but many see it as them being unreasonable.

You can argue that male gamers and the females that do not agree with with the for the lack of better term "anita feminist" as victims. Look at the factual feminist's "Are video games sexist?" video on youtube and read the comments. There a large number of "feminist" that are making comments to discredit her.