PS4 outselling X1 3-1?

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#1 Posted by The_Last_Ride (68531 posts) -
#2 Posted by Jacanuk (3462 posts) -
#3 Posted by Archangel3371 (15089 posts) -

I'm very skeptical of that info. Where I live I haven't even seen the PS4 get restocked yet since launch but I've seen the Xbox One restocked 3 times now and they've been selling as soon as they've been put out on the shelves.

#4 Posted by SoNin360 (5174 posts) -

I don't know, this might be some proof that it's selling faster or in higher demand. And even if it is outselling the Xbox One on Amazon, that doesn't mean much compared to the total number of sales both consoles have made, which were fairly close the last time all of that was updated.

#5 Edited by blamix99 (1488 posts) -

enough with this ps4 killing the xbox, this will just upset fanboys

#6 Posted by The_Last_Ride (68531 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

According to charts various sites have released and according to amazon

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/news/ps4-outselling-xbox-one-31/

Hmm, its a bit hard to determine from that graph, but yes it does look like the ps4 is outselling the x1, but where are the numbers for the xbox bundles like with the ps.

this is only according to amazon which might be showing a trend for other sites aswell

#7 Edited by DiamondGamer (8 posts) -
#8 Edited by Jacanuk (3462 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

According to charts various sites have released and according to amazon

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/news/ps4-outselling-xbox-one-31/

Hmm, its a bit hard to determine from that graph, but yes it does look like the ps4 is outselling the x1, but where are the numbers for the xbox bundles like with the ps.

this is only according to amazon which might be showing a trend for other sites aswell

Yep, and if you just take the X1´s and Ps4 alone it shows a much faster sales rate.

Still most would probably get a bundle and the ps4´s sale rate might be explained by the availability.

But its good news for Sony :D i'm glad they seem to be getting a very good sales result.

#9 Posted by nicecall (428 posts) -

its probably because the ps4 is cheaper. the real test is next year when games start coming out then we'll see the real results. I'm not sure why anyone even buys a system right now, theres no games worth playing on them for at least a year

#10 Edited by The_Last_Ride (68531 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Jacanuk said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

According to charts various sites have released and according to amazon

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/news/ps4-outselling-xbox-one-31/

Hmm, its a bit hard to determine from that graph, but yes it does look like the ps4 is outselling the x1, but where are the numbers for the xbox bundles like with the ps.

this is only according to amazon which might be showing a trend for other sites aswell

Yep, and if you just take the X1´s and Ps4 alone it shows a much faster sales rate.

Still most would probably get a bundle and the ps4´s sale rate might be explained by the availability.

But its good news for Sony :D i'm glad they seem to be getting a very good sales result.

They also need it the most from all the big three

#11 Posted by Ish_basic (3854 posts) -

early sales really don't really tell us much of anything other than who's assembly line is stronger. The consumer base is big enough (and has been for years now) that companies will sell through their stock faster than they can supply it for the first few months. At this point we have no idea how much of a factor the price tag, online policies, etc are having on the sales. The real test begins when you can start walking into random stores without calling ahead and buy whichever console you like. And with any luck, by then both systems will actually have some decent games that aren't also on the PS3/360.

#12 Edited by Shame-usBlackley (18266 posts) -

Why is this even a surprise? All polling data has consistently shown an inverse interest in the PS4 to the Xbone. And why would there be? It costs more money and has less muscle.

Granted, it's surprising the Xbone is selling as well as it has considering all the fuck ups on the part of Microsoft leading to launch and the above, but it takes a while to do serious damage to a brand, and it might take many months to see serious decay on the Xbone.

EDIT: Anecdotally speaking, you can still find Day One (or now, Day 33 Editions) easily and regularly at retailers. There has been speculation that these are returns from scalpers who couldn't sell them on eBay, but that leads to two points:

They are returns from scalpers WHO COULDN'T SELL THEM ON EBAY,

And also, the demand for the product has declined For anyone on the fence, seeing a Limited Edition would likely be enough to reel them in; for those to just sit there in the wild right next to the standard editions is bad news I think.

#13 Edited by Areez (6278 posts) -

@Shame-usBlackley: The whole less muscle argument is really irrelevant at this point and will fade into further obscurity as this gen moves further into its life cycle.

You are really grasping at straws here by implying that the decay of thr Xbox could take months. Really?

You have been wrong about everything Xbox One related. You said no one wanted any of the tertiary B.S. You said that the Xbox One was going to have poor sales because it was over priced. You were wrong. And now you claim that demand has declined. Not sure where you live bub, but here you cannot find any Xbox One's on retail shelves.

#14 Posted by Black_Knight_00 (17992 posts) -

This only means the PS4 is doing exceedingly well. The Xbone is still likely meeting its sales target.

#15 Edited by Shame-usBlackley (18266 posts) -

@Areez said:

@Shame-usBlackley: The whole less muscle argument is really irrelevant at this point and will fade into further obscurity as this gen moves further into its life cycle.

You are really grasping at straws here by implying that the decay of thr Xbox could take months. Really?

You have been wrong about everything Xbox One related. You said no one wanted any of the tertiary B.S. You said that the Xbox One was going to have poor sales because it was over priced. You were wrong. And now you claim that demand has declined. Not sure where you live bub, but here you cannot find any Xbox One's on retail shelves.

Delusional as always -- don't change, AreezHenryBro:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=734765&page=21

They're available all over the place. The demand is sated. They were available on Christmas Eve, for fuck's sake. God you're fucking PRICELESS LOL. And internationally, it's a goddamned slaughter -- where have you been? You gotta stop Baghdad Bobbing it so much man.

We'll see in a couple weeks, but the decay of a poor successor to a popular system sometimes takes a few months to take hold, just as it did with the PS3. I'm looking forward to the next couple of months -- HenryBro.

#16 Posted by Slannmage (5483 posts) -

Duh, it's cheaper, more powerful and no one cares about Kinect.

#17 Edited by Areez (6278 posts) -

@Shame-usBlackley: Delusional? Right....I ve seen no retail stock where I live of either the PS4 and Xbox One on store shelves...And when they do arrive they are both gone in a flash....

Seriously just stay in the NeoGaf forums where thr rest of the uber fanboy nerds hang out instead of bringing this irrational nonsense here. We get that you dislike the Xbox One...But you have been dead wrong with all of your predictions...So now you are extending your prophecy of the Xbox Ones impending doom a few months down the road. Stop playing gaming industry/marketing analyst.

Your opinion is not entirely reflective of the market place. You talk about decay...Priceless (to borrow your phrase) how conveniently forget that the Xbox One has launched much, much better than the Xbox 360. All while launching against the PS4 and a lot of negative press. Somehow a decaying brand managed to be the one of the fastest selling launch consoles.

At this point you lack any credibility when it comes to predicting how the Xbox One is going to perform. Remember when you said no one would buy it because of the $100 price difference! Remember when you said no one wanted all of the tertiary bull sh! t.....

I can give you 2 million reasons why you are wrong.

And yeah I m looking forward to the next couple of months too...To play Titan Fall, Watch Dogs, and Infamous 2nd Son....

#18 Posted by Archangel3371 (15089 posts) -

@Areez: Same here. Where I live I've seen a local store of mine restock the Xbox One at least 3 times since launch and time it's cleared out within that day or the next. Also the games for it have thinned out a lot for the system with Forza 5, Ghosts, Ryse, and Dead Rising 3 selling the most. Demand for the system is quite healthy where I live.

#19 Posted by Jacanuk (3462 posts) -

So this thread turned into Systemwars?

But Areez i don't know where you live but its clear that you can pretty easily find a Xbox one either in a store or on a online store, anyone can easily go onto Amazon and buy one today and have it by Monday if they wanted to. they cant do the same with the Ps4 which in most stores are out of stock and the stock they do get is gone within a day.

I cant say if MS are just quicker and because of their much smaller market have a easier time restocking the shelves, but if we stay with facts, it does show that Ps4 is outselling the X1 and that it is strange that you could actually get a X1 in the week leading up to Christmas where most would assume both would be sold out across the board.

The rest of the post is just systemwars so wont respond to that.

#20 Edited by Shame-usBlackley (18266 posts) -

@Areez said:

@Shame-usBlackley: Delusional? Right....I ve seen no retail stock where I live of either the PS4 and Xbox One on store shelves...And when they do arrive they are both gone in a flash....

Seriously just stay in the NeoGaf forums where thr rest of the uber fanboy nerds hang out instead of bringing this irrational nonsense here. We get that you dislike the Xbox One...But you have been dead wrong with all of your predictions...So now you are extending your prophecy of the Xbox Ones impending doom a few months down the road. Stop playing gaming industry/marketing analyst.

Your opinion is not entirely reflective of the market place. You talk about decay...Priceless (to borrow your phrase) how conveniently forget that the Xbox One has launched much, much better than the Xbox 360. All while launching against the PS4 and a lot of negative press. Somehow a decaying brand managed to be the one of the fastest selling launch consoles.

At this point you lack any credibility when it comes to predicting how the Xbox One is going to perform. Remember when you said no one would buy it because of the $100 price difference! Remember when you said no one wanted all of the tertiary bull sh! t.....

I can give you 2 million reasons why you are wrong.

And yeah I m looking forward to the next couple of months too...To play Titan Fall, Watch Dogs, and Infamous 2nd Son....

You can try to stick your head in the sand, but the truth is that in that very thread there are verified locations where the Xbone is sitting there waiting to be sold on Christmas Eve. And like I said, if it were selling as fast as you claim it to be, there would first be no Day One editions cycling back into inventory since they'd be selling online, and second, they wouldn't be sitting there next to standard editions. You are seriously deluding yourself if you believe that demand is still keeping up with supply. Personally, I went to a bunch of stores over the last two weeks, and every single one I was in had the Xbone just sitting there. Also, a LOT of those "fanboy nerds" from Neogaf are people who are working at retailers. I'm not a huge fan of GAF either, but I give them their due -- they have a LOT of people with reliable info.

So don't take my word for it -- take everyone else's. Take the photos as evidence of what you refuse to believe. Take the word of people working at retail outlets. They all pretty much back what I've been telling you. NPD will be fun next month. :)

#21 Edited by IndianaPwns39 (5037 posts) -

I'm interested to see whether or not Titanfall will give the Xbone an additional spike in sales. I think the system is selling just fine (even though there are loads available in my area, no doubt it's hitting Microsoft's sales target) but I wonder if people will want it for Titanfall or just get it on the 360.

#22 Edited by The_Last_Ride (68531 posts) -

This only means the PS4 is doing exceedingly well. The Xbone is still likely meeting its sales target.

truem but its good news though

#23 Edited by Areez (6278 posts) -

@Shame-usBlackley: The problem with your equation is that too many variables are in place here. I've been to multiple retailers before and during Christmas Eve, and saw neither a PS4 an Xbox One on shelves. Perhaps different regions are experiencing different levels of supply and demand. All this speculation is just that.

And those reliable "GAF" sources...Sorry bub...If you believe everything someone claims to be on the internet, well than you clearly have yourself completely burried in the sand. And the thread you are referring to, also contains instances where individuals state Xbox Ones are not readily in stock.

And like I said before, which by the way is fact. You have been completely wrong about the market as it pertains to the Xbox One. You believe that while you see no need for the Kinect and tertiary B.S. that everyone else feels that way too and therefore the Xbox One will do poorly. 2 million consumers disagree with you sport.

#24 Posted by Areez (6278 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

So this thread turned into Systemwars?

But Areez i don't know where you live but its clear that you can pretty easily find a Xbox one either in a store or on a online store, anyone can easily go onto Amazon and buy one today and have it by Monday if they wanted to. they cant do the same with the Ps4 which in most stores are out of stock and the stock they do get is gone within a day.

I cant say if MS are just quicker and because of their much smaller market have a easier time restocking the shelves, but if we stay with facts, it does show that Ps4 is outselling the X1 and that it is strange that you could actually get a X1 in the week leading up to Christmas where most would assume both would be sold out across the board.

The rest of the post is just systemwars so wont respond to that.

I live in the Washington D.C. metro area, one of the wealthiest parts of the country. And here, its difficult to find Xbox One and PS4 consoles on retailer shelves. So no its not as easy to find Xbox Ones as everyone assumes it is. Archangel in this thread posted that Xbox Ones are not readily available on store shelves either where he lives.

Perhaps in other parts of the country XBX Ones are sitting on shelves but not here. We cannot apply the same principles of what is happening in one part of the country is happening in another. Considering the amount of variables in place, their is no way to come to a certain conclusion here. We will not know anything until the official numbers come out after the holidays.

#25 Posted by Black_Knight_00 (17992 posts) -

@Black_Knight_00 said:

This only means the PS4 is doing exceedingly well. The Xbone is still likely meeting its sales target.

true, but its good news though

Eh, what we want to hear is that the two consoles are selling the same. We need balance in order to get better deals.

#26 Posted by Jacanuk (3462 posts) -

@Areez said:

@Jacanuk said:

So this thread turned into Systemwars?

But Areez i don't know where you live but its clear that you can pretty easily find a Xbox one either in a store or on a online store, anyone can easily go onto Amazon and buy one today and have it by Monday if they wanted to. they cant do the same with the Ps4 which in most stores are out of stock and the stock they do get is gone within a day.

I cant say if MS are just quicker and because of their much smaller market have a easier time restocking the shelves, but if we stay with facts, it does show that Ps4 is outselling the X1 and that it is strange that you could actually get a X1 in the week leading up to Christmas where most would assume both would be sold out across the board.

The rest of the post is just systemwars so wont respond to that.

I live in the Washington D.C. metro area, one of the wealthiest parts of the country. And here, its difficult to find Xbox One and PS4 consoles on retailer shelves. So no its not as easy to find Xbox Ones as everyone assumes it is. Archangel in this thread posted that Xbox Ones are not readily available on store shelves either where he lives.

Perhaps in other parts of the country XBX Ones are sitting on shelves but not here. We cannot apply the same principles of what is happening in one part of the country is happening in another. Considering the amount of variables in place, their is no way to come to a certain conclusion here. We will not know anything until the official numbers come out after the holidays.

Ok, but you can still go on amazon so if stores all sell out, it would make sense for people to go on amazon.com , so either Amazon has a super delivery system with MS or the X1 just isn't as sort after. Unless you want to claim that no-one particular "rich" people uses Amazon the largest online store on the net. Because having a stock of X1´s around Christmas is pretty strange for newly released console.

But you are right we cant say anything for sure and also it doesn't really matter anyways, all that matter is that both do well and make it a viable market for developers to make games for.

#27 Edited by Shame-usBlackley (18266 posts) -

@Areez said:

@Shame-usBlackley: The problem with your equation is that too many variables are in place here. I've been to multiple retailers before and during Christmas Eve, and saw neither a PS4 an Xbox One on shelves. Perhaps different regions are experiencing different levels of supply and demand. All this speculation is just that.

And those reliable "GAF" sources...Sorry bub...If you believe everything someone claims to be on the internet, well than you clearly have yourself completely burried in the sand. And the thread you are referring to, also contains instances where individuals state Xbox Ones are not readily in stock.

And like I said before, which by the way is fact. You have been completely wrong about the market as it pertains to the Xbox One. You believe that while you see no need for the Kinect and tertiary B.S. that everyone else feels that way too and therefore the Xbox One will do poorly. 2 million consumers disagree with you sport.

The problem with yours is that you refuse to believe what the consensus is showing you -- that the system is readily in stock and that scalped systems have been trickling back into the channel unsold and are not moving rapidly. Do you really want me to compile all the info for you from that thread? There are screen grabs of inventory channels from retailers showing that it is in stock at 90 percent of the stores on the list... it's only speculation to you because you disagree with it. I mean, there's even video of some dude trying to call to find a PS4 calling stores at random showing the same thing. Then you couple that with all the polling data, the price point... it's not a good sign, especially when you consider the US was Microsoft's to lose. Even a tie in North America is a loss, because it's over already on the rest of the globe.

And come on, the Wii U sold 3 million out of the gate, AreezBro:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/11/how-successful-was-the-wii-u-launch

I have not been proven wrong about the Xbone at all -- it's a ridiculous notion to believe it wouldn't put up Wii U numbers. I still maintain $500 is a non-sustainable price once they run through their launch adopters, and the number of units sitting on store shelves, on Christmas Eve tend to make it look like that's already occurred. Even the Wii U is out of stock, and that's a dead platform for most intents and purposes. We'll see in a couple weeks, champ. :)

#28 Edited by CarnageHeart (18315 posts) -
@Areez said:

@Jacanuk said:

So this thread turned into Systemwars?

But Areez i don't know where you live but its clear that you can pretty easily find a Xbox one either in a store or on a online store, anyone can easily go onto Amazon and buy one today and have it by Monday if they wanted to. they cant do the same with the Ps4 which in most stores are out of stock and the stock they do get is gone within a day.

I cant say if MS are just quicker and because of their much smaller market have a easier time restocking the shelves, but if we stay with facts, it does show that Ps4 is outselling the X1 and that it is strange that you could actually get a X1 in the week leading up to Christmas where most would assume both would be sold out across the board.

The rest of the post is just systemwars so wont respond to that.

I live in the Washington D.C. metro area, one of the wealthiest parts of the country. And here, its difficult to find Xbox One and PS4 consoles on retailer shelves. So no its not as easy to find Xbox Ones as everyone assumes it is. Archangel in this thread posted that Xbox Ones are not readily available on store shelves either where he lives.

Perhaps in other parts of the country XBX Ones are sitting on shelves but not here. We cannot apply the same principles of what is happening in one part of the country is happening in another. Considering the amount of variables in place, their is no way to come to a certain conclusion here. We will not know anything until the official numbers come out after the holidays.

Do you not see a problem with the fact that you had to add that Washington, DC is one of the wealthiest parts of the country (though it should be noted there is tremendous variance within the DC metro area)? Being one of the wealthiest parts of one of the wealthiest countries is great, but it puts one out of step.

#29 Posted by firefox59 (4306 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Black_Knight_00 said:

This only means the PS4 is doing exceedingly well. The Xbone is still likely meeting its sales target.

true, but its good news though

Eh, what we want to hear is that the two consoles are selling the same. We need balance in order to get better deals.

Yeah, but realistically that has never happened and never will. We should be thankful that the Xbox One is kinda keeping pace and depending on whose exclusives drop first, the race could remain pretty close for awhile.

#30 Posted by LJS9502_basic (149319 posts) -

@nicecall said:

its probably because the ps4 is cheaper. the real test is next year when games start coming out then we'll see the real results. I'm not sure why anyone even buys a system right now, theres no games worth playing on them for at least a year

Gamers are the early adopters dude....

#31 Edited by Black_Knight_00 (17992 posts) -

@firefox59 said:

@Black_Knight_00 said:

Eh, what we want to hear is that the two consoles are selling the same. We need balance in order to get better deals.

Yeah, but realistically that has never happened and never will. We should be thankful that the Xbox One is kinda keeping pace and depending on whose exclusives drop first, the race could remain pretty close for awhile.

It happened this gen: PS3 and 360 kept an even pace from 2008 and onwards and look what happened: Sony invented a service that gives you 3 full games each month with a $5 subscription and Microsoft responded by handing out free games to premium subscribers.

These are the things that only happen when a balance exists that companies are attempting to upset in their favor, and it's all to our advantage.

#32 Posted by Qixote (10639 posts) -

There is no compelling reason to buy either one right now. It's all about the games, which there are practically none right now good enough to justify buying a next-gen. Maybe in another year when there are some titles worthy of bearing the "next-gen" label. Only reason to buy now is if you have no system now and are looking to start gaming. But even then you will be limiting yourself for a year or so, since the next-gens can not play previous gen games.

#33 Posted by CarnageHeart (18315 posts) -

@Black_Knight_00: I disagree. The PS2 crushed its completion to an extent not seen since the NES, but it saw a steadier stream of price cuts than we did last gen. Videogames are luxuries and companies cannot sit back and assume that sales patterns won't change if they are stupid (or smart). Complacency has killed many market leaders. Sony's complacency cost it a lot last gen and the lessons that hurt the most teach the best.

#34 Posted by CarnageHeart (18315 posts) -

@Qixote: You do know that there's no law saying you can't hold onto your old system right? I love Killzone, Resogun, NBA2K and Warframe, but I've also spent a lot of time playing Disgaea D2, Xcom Enemy Unknown, LBP2 and the Puppeteer.

#35 Posted by Black_Knight_00 (17992 posts) -

@Black_Knight_00: I disagree. The PS2 crushed its completion to an extent not seen since the NES, but it saw a steadier stream of price cuts than we did last gen. Videogames are luxuries and companies cannot sit back and assume that sales patterns won't change if they are stupid (or smart). Complacency has killed many market leaders. Sony's complacency cost it a lot last gen and the lessons that hurt the most teach the best.

It's worth mentioning that the PS2 was its gen's Wii. A hundred+ million people bought it and bought one game for it.

#36 Posted by S0lidSnake (29001 posts) -

@Shame-usBlackley: I hate to side with Areez here but just because there are a few retailers that dont sell out of their inventory in one day, it doesn't mean the demand for X1 isn't high. It probably just means that MS is flooding the NA market trying to make sure they capitalize on the poor PS4 supply. After all they dont want to lose another NPD monthly sales in the only territory the 360 was outselling the PS3.

Let me ask you this, do you think the X1 will outsell the PS4 in NA in December?

#37 Edited by CarnageHeart (18315 posts) -

@CarnageHeart said:

@Black_Knight_00: I disagree. The PS2 crushed its completion to an extent not seen since the NES, but it saw a steadier stream of price cuts than we did last gen. Videogames are luxuries and companies cannot sit back and assume that sales patterns won't change if they are stupid (or smart). Complacency has killed many market leaders. Sony's complacency cost it a lot last gen and the lessons that hurt the most teach the best.

It's worth mentioning that the PS2 was its gen's Wii. A hundred+ million people bought it and bought one game for it.

Successful systems tend to boast relatively low attach rates at the height of their success in no small part because they have a steady stream of new owners (who at the outset only buy a couple games). The PS2 was a phenomenal system for core games and core game developers of both mainstream and niche games (which is why everybody and their grandmother supported it).

The Wii was a phenomenal system for casual games and Mario games (which is why support was never all that strong and mid-gen early supporters like Vanillaware fled to greener pastures).

*Shrugs* To show I'm not making all this up as I go along, here is a link.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23308

First, let us recall that a tie ratio is the number of software units sold for a system divided by the total number of systems sold. This ratio is an average number of units of software per console owner. The term attach rate is often confused with tie ratio, although we believe they are different. (See the note at the end of this article for an elaboration on this point.)

It is worth recalling the words of Anita Frazier, analyst for the NPD Group, who spoke to the issue of tie ratios and how they “can be an indication of the health of a system”, but can also be used in misleading ways.

She expanded, saying that “as a system gets further along in its lifecycle and perhaps hardware sales start to diminish, the tie ratio tends to go up because software sales are the bigger draw. If a hardware system is doing gangbuster sales, then the tie ratio can go down even if there are lots of overall sales.”

#38 Edited by Black_Knight_00 (17992 posts) -

@CarnageHeart said:

Successful systems tend to boast relatively low attach rates at the height of their success in no small part because they have a steady stream of new owners (who at the outset only buy a couple games). The PS2 was a phenomenal system for core games and core game developers of both mainstream and niche games (which is why everybody and their grandmother supported it).

The Wii was a phenomenal system for casual games and Mario games (which is why support was never all that strong and mid-gen early supporters like Vanillaware fled to greener pastures).

Yes but with all this, do you disagree with my core point that competition is good for the consumer and that proportional sales between competitors increase said competition?

#39 Edited by F1Lengend (7883 posts) -

I took this today specially for Areez. This is during boxing day, at this points thousands of people have walked by. PS4 was sold out instantly at 7am.

#40 Posted by CarnageHeart (18315 posts) -

I took this today specially for Areez. This is during boxing day, at this points thousands of people have walked by. PS4 was sold out instantly at 7am.

Yeah, my local Target today (I was there to buy a new stylus) had a ton of Xbones but they were sold out of PS4s. I asked the clerks and they stated that the Xbone simply hadn't sold well.

I don't live in a rich area (suburbs of DC), but its solid middle class and there are a lot of game stores (three Gamestops within 15 minutes of where I live and an indie retailer whose name I forget).

I don't think for a second that the PS4 outsold the Xbone 3 to 1. Both companies are shipping a lot of systems and MS is shipping to only 25% of the countries Sony is so there might well be more Xbones hitting the US than PS4s. However, I wouldn't be shocked if the PS4 once again edged out the Xbone in sales this month.

#41 Posted by The_Last_Ride (68531 posts) -

@Black_Knight_00 said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Black_Knight_00 said:

This only means the PS4 is doing exceedingly well. The Xbone is still likely meeting its sales target.

true, but its good news though

Eh, what we want to hear is that the two consoles are selling the same. We need balance in order to get better deals.

Yeah, but realistically that has never happened and never will. We should be thankful that the Xbox One is kinda keeping pace and depending on whose exclusives drop first, the race could remain pretty close for awhile.

Yeah and i hope Wii U catches a break. It's good for the industry if consoles sell well, but this is also sending a message to the companies of what kind of console people want

#42 Posted by S0lidSnake (29001 posts) -

So it is confirmed. Xbox 1 is more popular among rich Americans while the PS4 sells better with the struggling middle class of America.

The X1 is $499 which means only rich people can afford it. The fucking 1% get everything!

#43 Edited by CarnageHeart (18315 posts) -

@CarnageHeart said:

Successful systems tend to boast relatively low attach rates at the height of their success in no small part because they have a steady stream of new owners (who at the outset only buy a couple games). The PS2 was a phenomenal system for core games and core game developers of both mainstream and niche games (which is why everybody and their grandmother supported it).

The Wii was a phenomenal system for casual games and Mario games (which is why support was never all that strong and mid-gen early supporters like Vanillaware fled to greener pastures).

Yes but with all this, do you disagree with my core point that competition is good for the consumer and that proportional sales between competitors increase said competition?

I think the priorities and actions of the participants matter more than the relative status of the competitors. Sony and MS didn't really compete on price last gen. MS had cheaper HW but they weren't interested in relentlessly cutting prices in order to wrongfoot Sony (who was burdened with more expensive HW) perhaps because the Xbox division was under pressure from MS to be profitable. Sony was undoubtedly grateful for the reprieve, but last gen would have been bigger if the prices of the HW were lower.

#44 Edited by Black_Knight_00 (17992 posts) -

@CarnageHeart said:

I think the priorities and actions of the participants matter more than the relative status of the competitors. Sony and MS didn't really compete on price last gen. MS had cheaper HW but they weren't interested in relentlessly cutting prices in order to wrongfoot Sony (who was burdened with more expensive HW) perhaps because the Xbox division was under pressure from MS to be profitable. Sony was undoubtedly grateful for the reprieve, but last gen would have been bigger if the prices of the HW were lower.

Possibly, but what if 360 sales had plummeted in the last two years, do you think Sony would have felt the need to invest in the free games policy on PS+? I think they wouldn't have bothered. It's when two competitors are paired that they make the most efforts to 1up each other, not when one is far ahead of the other and doesn't feel threatened.

Why did MS perform the infamous Xbone 180 last year? Because they had to match the offering that Sony had. If there were no competition and the only alternative to an Xbone was a Wii U (which is not a direct competitor), we would be playing an always online, no-used games machine today.

#45 Posted by CarnageHeart (18315 posts) -

@CarnageHeart said:

I think the priorities and actions of the participants matter more than the relative status of the competitors. Sony and MS didn't really compete on price last gen. MS had cheaper HW but they weren't interested in relentlessly cutting prices in order to wrongfoot Sony (who was burdened with more expensive HW) perhaps because the Xbox division was under pressure from MS to be profitable. Sony was undoubtedly grateful for the reprieve, but last gen would have been bigger if the prices of the HW were lower.

Possibly, but what if 360 sales had plummeted in the last two years, do you think Sony would have felt the need to invest in the free games policy on PS+? I think they wouldn't have bothered. It's when two competitors are paired that they make the most efforts to 1up each other, not when one is far ahead of the other and doesn't feel threatened.

Why did MS perform the infamous Xbone 180 last year? Because they had to match the offering that Sony had. If there were no competition and the only alternative to an Xbone was a Wii U (which is not a direct competitor), we would be playing an always online, no-used games machine today.

I disagree. Some people would grumble and take it, but the majority of people wouldn't buy a luxury good which was uncomfortable or inconvenient. If game companies ignore the wants of gamers, gamers ignore them.

#46 Edited by Black_Knight_00 (17992 posts) -

@CarnageHeart said:

I disagree. Some people would grumble and take it, but the majority of people wouldn't buy a luxury good which was uncomfortable or inconvenient. If game companies ignore the wants of gamers, gamers ignore them.

Aside from the fact that I think you have too much faith in the average consumer, that is irrelevant: when a company is running alone they have no reason to respect the customer. They know all they have to do is stonewall us and we'll cave in eventually.

#47 Posted by Areez (6278 posts) -

@F1Lengend said:

I took this today specially for Areez. This is during boxing day, at this points thousands of people have walked by. PS4 was sold out instantly at 7am.

Yeah, my local Target today (I was there to buy a new stylus) had a ton of Xbones but they were sold out of PS4s. I asked the clerks and they stated that the Xbone simply hadn't sold well.

I don't live in a rich area (suburbs of DC), but its solid middle class and there are a lot of game stores (three Gamestops within 15 minutes of where I live and an indie retailer whose name I forget).

I don't think for a second that the PS4 outsold the Xbone 3 to 1. Both companies are shipping a lot of systems and MS is shipping to only 25% of the countries Sony is so there might well be more Xbones hitting the US than PS4s. However, I wouldn't be shocked if the PS4 once again edged out the Xbone in sales this month.

I went to two Walmarts today looking for the new Need for Speed. Sold out there by the way. And both locations had Xbox Ones and PS4's in stock. More PS4s though than Xbox Ones. Guess thats an indicator of things. According to some people here.

I also went to Best Buy and they were sold out of both PS4 and Xbox. I then asked the BB store clerk which console sold better this holiday season, to which he replied "The Neo Geo". Looks like we have a dark horse in the race here boys.

#48 Edited by CarnageHeart (18315 posts) -

@CarnageHeart said:

I disagree. Some people would grumble and take it, but the majority of people wouldn't buy a luxury good which was uncomfortable or inconvenient. If game companies ignore the wants of gamers, gamers ignore them.

Aside from the fact that I think you have too much faith in the average consumer, that is irrelevant: when a company is running alone they have no reason to respect the customer. They know all they have to do is stonewall us and we'll cave in eventually.

No offense, but you sound like Alex right after the Xbone reveal :).

#49 Posted by Areez (6278 posts) -

@Shame-usBlackley: I hate to side with Areez here but just because there are a few retailers that dont sell out of their inventory in one day, it doesn't mean the demand for X1 isn't high. It probably just means that MS is flooding the NA market trying to make sure they capitalize on the poor PS4 supply. After all they dont want to lose another NPD monthly sales in the only territory the 360 was outselling the PS3.

Let me ask you this, do you think the X1 will outsell the PS4 in NA in December?

Solid...I agree with you too. It would be reasonable to assume that MS has bombarded N.A. with inventory. They are definitely bombarding my T.V. with BF4, and Madden commercials. As well partnering with McDonalds for Xbox One give-aways.

Now I do believe that the Xbox will slightly lag behind the PS4 this holiday in NA. But at the end of the day, why any of this matters soooo much to people is beyond me. True gamers should rejoice in the fact that we have two successful console platforms. I know I do. I mean we have some great content coming to the PS4 and Xbox One in 2014.

#50 Posted by Jamex1987 (2186 posts) -

I wouldn't buy any new consoles right now. To play what game? Call of Duty? If I were to buy a console I would get an Xbox though. At least Killer Instinct is free to play. The consoles just launched when the good games are released they will sell. Halo will be an xbox seller.