Playstation Vs. Nintendo 64 Vs. Sega Saturn Vs. 3DO Vs. Atari Jaguar! Consolewar

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#1 Posted by NationProtector (1609 posts) -
Current standings in poll: Sega Saturn SNES and Geneis get talked about all the time. But what about this fantastic battle of systems? The era that created the majority of gamers (theory). Let's tale look at each console, what they bring, and what games they have attached to them. This will be in Launch order. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3DO (OCT 1993) 4X    Controllers 4x    GPU and CPU CPU: 32-bit ARM Processor with custom math processor. (allows interpolation.) GPU: Two Acellerated VideoP's, allowing for scaling rotation, texture mapping, and produce 10 to 18 million pixels per second. Unique Features 3DO was the first full texture 3D console created. It had powerful processors for 2D and 3D graphics, and was the only one that has equal priority with both instead of leaning more toward one or the other. Interpolation, which was built in, worked to smooth graphics and effect in game. All engines compatible.

GAMES   -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Atari Jaguar (NOV 1993) 1X Controllers 2x GPU and CPU CPU/GPU: Custom CPU called "TOM"(integrated with Jerry) Provides 64-bit logic operations and Z-buffering. Unique Features First Console with Integrated GPU and CPU that did operations on graphics. First full textured 3D game console with more than 5 buttons. Most powerful CD add-on of all console prior.

GAMES   -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sega Saturn (May 1995) 2X  Controllers 2x  GPU and CPU CPU: Two 32-But Hitachi GPU: VDP 1 32-bit in charge of GPU simulation. Unique Features First console with two CPU's that do more than CPU objectives. Additional Analog Controller sold separately.

GAMES   -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Playstation (SEP 1995) 3X   Controllers 2x  GPU and CPU CPU: 32-bit RISC using SGI technology GPU: 3D Geometry Engine extraction from CPU. Hardware GPU is Simulated Unique Features First Console to have more than 3 shoulder buttons. First console to have 4 shoulder buttons. First console to have two analog control methods. First console that can read audio from game CDs and have music playback like a music CD. GAMES   -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nintendo 64r (SEP 1996) 2X  Controllers 1x GPU and CPU CPU: Gimped NEC VR4300 64-bit MIPS GPU: Gimped SGI 64-bit co-processor Nick: Reality co-processor Unique Features First Console to have expansions use the Controller primarily. First console with a button on back of controller. Last Console to use Rom Carts.

GAMES
#2 Posted by famicommander (8524 posts) -
I have all five and Saturn > N64 = PS1 >> 3DO = Jaguar 3DO and Jaguar are pretty underrated systems. I love Tempest 2000, and the PS1/Saturn port pales in comparison to the Jaguar original.
#3 Posted by PS4TrumpsXbox1 (1363 posts) -
I know all four of these consoles can be considered legacy consoles but shouldnt this topic be covered in system wars?
#4 Posted by MonsieurX (32185 posts) -
I know all four of these consoles can be considered legacy consoles but shouldnt this topic be covered in system wars?PS4TrumpsXbox1
No it shouldn't.
#5 Posted by zhnun (55 posts) -

I love sega so saturn al the way!!!!!!!

#6 Posted by Eduspcloud (119 posts) -

Hmmm tough one..i pick Playstation.

#7 Posted by luckykoopsie (345 posts) -

I love sega so saturn al the way!!!!!!!

zhnun

You're a fan boy of sega and I'm guessing you don't own a saturn. You're beat.

 If the Psx didnt have it's 2D games then it would have been beat.

 N64>PS1>Saturn> all other systems that tried to compete were and are still beat. ex. the atari jag

#8 Posted by LittleMac19 (1638 posts) -
Playstation blew all of those systems out of the water
#9 Posted by luckykoopsie (345 posts) -

Playstation blew all of those systems out of the waterLittleMac19

Name your # 1 psx game.

#10 Posted by RobbHunter (33 posts) -
I'd personally have to go with the PlayStation.
#11 Posted by WhySoLimp (135 posts) -

PS1 for sure.

#12 Posted by Goldflower1234 (37 posts) -

Jaguar is not 5th gen, it has even worse graphics than 32x.

I do know nothing about 3do.

I do know nothing about Saturn.

PS1 has the most ridicilous fanbase on the internet. They made it out as an untouchable system without any flaws and can't deal with critism. From the lack of quality games in most genres and shitty controls, over the bad hardware to the fact how the second thumbstick was too often used as placeholder. I will always put PS1 in my top 5 worst systems as long they don't stop talking bullshit. It's called protest.

N64 was hybrid between 5th and 6th console gen. Best controller, variety, quality and most 3d games on N64 are playable these days, this can't be said for the consoles above. The only negative thing about the system is the framerate and some lazy conversions from ntsc to pal.

- JRPGs are irrelevant

#13 Posted by Dudersaper (32950 posts) -
For me personally it's just hard to decide between the Saturn and the PS. I voted PS since I have more games for it.
#14 Posted by conkertheking1 (833 posts) -

Get N, or get out!

The only system that has a chance against N64 is Playstation. Saturn is okay at best, but the other two are just scrub systems overall.

#15 Posted by veolyn (71 posts) -

N64 had a much smaller library but I feel like the average quality of games on it was slightly higher. My opinion should probably be taken with a grain of salt, though, since I've had an N64 all my life and only owned a PS1 for a few years before giving it away.

#16 Posted by Jag85 (5817 posts) -

The fifth generation was responsible for the most competitive (and over-crowded) console war of all time...

  • Fujitsu FM Towns Marty
  • Pioneer LaserActive
  • Panasonic 3DO Interactive Multiplayer
  • Commodore Amiga CD32
  • Atari Jaguar
  • SNK Neo Geo CD
  • Bandai Playdia
  • Sega Saturn
  • Sony PlayStation
  • NEC PC-FX
  • Apple Bandai Pippin
  • Casio Loopy
  • Nintendo 64
#17 Posted by Lucianu (9664 posts) -

PS1 > Saturn > N64 > All the others.

#18 Posted by NationProtector (1609 posts) -

The fifth generation was responsible for the most competitive (and over-crowded) console war of all time...

  • Fujitsu FM Towns Marty
  • Pioneer LaserActive
  • Panasonic 3DO Interactive Multiplayer
  • Commodore Amiga CD32
  • Atari Jaguar
  • SNK Neo Geo CD
  • Bandai Playdia
  • Sega Saturn
  • Sony PlayStation
  • NEC PC-FX
  • Apple Bandai Pippin
  • Casio Loopy
  • Nintendo 64
Jag85
Why are you ignoring Goldstar and Sanyo 3DO? I would also have to give over-crowded to the 2nd gen.
#19 Posted by AbstractRadical (632 posts) -
Playstation!
#20 Posted by NationProtector (1609 posts) -

Jaguar is not 5th gen, it has even worse graphics than 32x.

I do know nothing about 3do.

I do know nothing about Saturn.

PS1 has the most ridicilous fanbase on the internet. They made it out as an untouchable system without any flaws and can't deal with critism. From the lack of quality games in most genres and shitty controls, over the bad hardware to the fact how the second thumbstick was too often used as placeholder. I will always put PS1 in my top 5 worst systems as long they don't stop talking bullshit. It's called protest.

N64 was hybrid between 5th and 6th console gen. Best controller, variety, quality and most 3d games on N64 are playable these days, this can't be said for the consoles above. The only negative thing about the system is the framerate and some lazy conversions from ntsc to pal.

- JRPGs are irrelevant

Goldflower1234
I stopped reading when you said the jaguar had worse graphics than the 32x.
#21 Posted by Shenmue_Jehuty (5208 posts) -

I was and still am a huge Nintendo 64 fan so it got my vote. The PS1 gets second place.

#22 Posted by BarbaricAvatar (977 posts) -

Playstation for me.

Though i am tempted by the Saturn and have always harbored a fascination for the 3DO.

#23 Posted by Goldflower1234 (37 posts) -

I stopped reading when you said the jaguar had worse graphics than the 32x.NationProtector
Darxide and Metal Head... Sega 32x has better graphics.

#24 Posted by Jag85 (5817 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

The fifth generation was responsible for the most competitive (and over-crowded) console war of all time...

  • Fujitsu FM Towns Marty
  • Pioneer LaserActive
  • Panasonic 3DO Interactive Multiplayer
  • Commodore Amiga CD32
  • Atari Jaguar
  • SNK Neo Geo CD
  • Bandai Playdia
  • Sega Saturn
  • Sony PlayStation
  • NEC PC-FX
  • Apple Bandai Pippin
  • Casio Loopy
  • Nintendo 64

NationProtector

Why are you ignoring Goldstar and Sanyo 3DO? I would also have to give over-crowded to the 2nd gen.

If I added every manufacturer's version, the list would be even bigger, so I'll just ammend it instead...

  • Fujitsu FM Towns Marty
  • Pioneer LaserActive
  • 3DO Interactive Multiplayer
  • Commodore Amiga CD32
  • Atari Jaguar
  • SNK Neo Geo CD
  • Bandai Playdia
  • Sega Saturn
  • Sony PlayStation
  • NEC PC-FX
  • Apple Bandai Pippin
  • Casio Loopy
  • Nintendo 64

And by the way, the 2nd gen had 9 consoles, which is still less than the 5th gen's 13 consoles. Nevertheless, 2nd gen is at least the runner-up for most competitive console war (though, in reality, it was actually two separate console wars).

#25 Posted by downnice95 (144 posts) -

Jaguar is not 5th gen, it has even worse graphics than 32x.

I do know nothing about 3do.

I do know nothing about Saturn.

PS1 has the most ridicilous fanbase on the internet. They made it out as an untouchable system without any flaws and can't deal with critism. From the lack of quality games in most genres and shitty controls, over the bad hardware to the fact how the second thumbstick was too often used as placeholder. I will always put PS1 in my top 5 worst systems as long they don't stop talking bullshit. It's called protest.

N64 was hybrid between 5th and 6th console gen. Best controller, variety, quality and most 3d games on N64 are playable these days, this can't be said for the consoles above. The only negative thing about the system is the framerate and some lazy conversions from ntsc to pal.

- JRPGs are irrelevant

Goldflower1234

IF you think the PS1 is one of the worst consoles ever you are a **** retard and should be banned from gamespot

#26 Posted by LittleMac19 (1638 posts) -

[QUOTE="LittleMac19"]Playstation blew all of those systems out of the waterluckykoopsie

Name your # 1 psx game.

Chrono Cross, while most people bash it I thought it was a masterpiece.
#27 Posted by Jag85 (5817 posts) -
[QUOTE="luckykoopsie"]

[QUOTE="LittleMac19"]Playstation blew all of those systems out of the waterLittleMac19

Name your # 1 psx game.

Chrono Cross, while most people bash it I thought it was a masterpiece.

Nice choice. Chrono Cross is also one of my favourite RPG's.
#28 Posted by GSJones1994 (340 posts) -
[QUOTE="luckykoopsie"]

[QUOTE="LittleMac19"]Playstation blew all of those systems out of the waterLittleMac19

Name your # 1 psx game.

Chrono Cross, while most people bash it I thought it was a masterpiece.

Most people bash it? It has a 94/100 on Metacritic for crying out loud!
#29 Posted by GSJones1994 (340 posts) -

Jaguar is not 5th gen, it has even worse graphics than 32x.

I do know nothing about 3do.

I do know nothing about Saturn.

PS1 has the most ridicilous fanbase on the internet. They made it out as an untouchable system without any flaws and can't deal with critism. From the lack of quality games in most genres and shitty controls, over the bad hardware to the fact how the second thumbstick was too often used as placeholder. I will always put PS1 in my top 5 worst systems as long they don't stop talking bullshit. It's called protest.

N64 was hybrid between 5th and 6th console gen. Best controller, variety, quality and most 3d games on N64 are playable these days, this can't be said for the consoles above. The only negative thing about the system is the framerate and some lazy conversions from ntsc to pal.

- JRPGs are irrelevant

Goldflower1234
Lack of quality games on PS1? PS1 has plenty of quality titles, thank you very much. This tells me that you obviously you never owned a PS1 before.
#30 Posted by GSJones1994 (340 posts) -

Get N, or get out!

The only system that has a chance against N64 is Playstation. Saturn is okay at best, but the other two are just scrub systems overall.

conkertheking1

Nah, N64's library wasn't very good compared to Saturn and PS1's. The N64 didn't even come close to having as good third-party support as the SS and PS1's, and it had the smallest library of the three consoles, even though, the N64 library is still good in it's own right, with excellent titles from Nintendo and Rare, LucasArts, iD, and what have ya.

Saturn is actually a very good system, if you ask me and I would recommend collecting for it, if you have the money that is because Saturn games ain't cheap. But there are lots of great titles on the system.

Saturn has:

Best version of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, best version of Mega Man 8, best version of Mega Man X4, best version of the original Resident Evil, best version of Hideo Kojima's Policenauts, best version of Street Fighter Alpha 2, best versions of X-Men vs. Street Fighter and Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter, also Sega brought out new IPs for the Saturn like Panzer Dragoon, Virtua Cop, Wachenroder, Burning Rangers, Virtual On, Deep Fear, Daytona USA, and The House of the Dead. Not too bad, eh?

#31 Posted by Jag85 (5817 posts) -

[QUOTE="conkertheking1"]

Get N, or get out!

The only system that has a chance against N64 is Playstation. Saturn is okay at best, but the other two are just scrub systems overall.

GSJones1994

Nah, N64's library wasn't very good compared to Saturn and PS1's. The N64 didn't even come close to having as good third-party support as the SS and PS1's, and it had the smallest library of the three consoles, even though, the N64 library is still good in it's own right, with excellent titles from Nintendo and Rare, LucasArts, iD, and what have ya.

Saturn is actually a very good system, if you ask me and I would recommend collecting for it, if you have the money that is because Saturn games ain't cheap. But there are lots of great titles on the system.

Saturn has:

Best version of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, best version of Mega Man 8, best version of Mega Man X4, best version of the original Resident Evil, best version of Hideo Kojima's Policenauts, best version of Street Fighter Alpha 2, best versions of X-Men vs. Street Fighter and Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter, also Sega brought out new IPs for the Saturn like Panzer Dragoon, Virtua Cop, Wachenroder, Burning Rangers, Virtual On, Deep Fear, Daytona USA, and The House of the Dead. Not too bad, eh?

Interesting. I didn't even realize the Saturn has a larger library than the N64. I suppose a majority of those Saturn games were exclusive to Japan?

#32 Posted by luckykoopsie (345 posts) -

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beat this biotch

#33 Posted by NationProtector (1609 posts) -

[QUOTE="GSJones1994"]

[QUOTE="conkertheking1"]

Get N, or get out!

The only system that has a chance against N64 is Playstation. Saturn is okay at best, but the other two are just scrub systems overall.

Jag85

Nah, N64's library wasn't very good compared to Saturn and PS1's. The N64 didn't even come close to having as good third-party support as the SS and PS1's, and it had the smallest library of the three consoles, even though, the N64 library is still good in it's own right, with excellent titles from Nintendo and Rare, LucasArts, iD, and what have ya.

Saturn is actually a very good system, if you ask me and I would recommend collecting for it, if you have the money that is because Saturn games ain't cheap. But there are lots of great titles on the system.

Saturn has:

Best version of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, best version of Mega Man 8, best version of Mega Man X4, best version of the original Resident Evil, best version of Hideo Kojima's Policenauts, best version of Street Fighter Alpha 2, best versions of X-Men vs. Street Fighter and Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter, also Sega brought out new IPs for the Saturn like Panzer Dragoon, Virtua Cop, Wachenroder, Burning Rangers, Virtual On, Deep Fear, Daytona USA, and The House of the Dead. Not too bad, eh?

Interesting. I didn't even realize the Saturn has a larger library than the N64. I suppose a majority of those Saturn games were exclusive to Japan?

N64: 299 North America (removee had 292.)d Nintendo list form official websit Sega Saturn: 246 North America However, Europe had an additional 40+ exclusives, so you could say that most Saturn games aren't japanese exclusive. But on your topic, the N64 beats it in North American releases. Not sure about Pal, but I know 240 saturn games were released in Pal.
#34 Posted by NationProtector (1609 posts) -

[QUOTE="NationProtector"] I stopped reading when you said the jaguar had worse graphics than the 32x.Goldflower1234

Darxide and Metal Head... Sega 32x has better graphics.

You clearly have not played games like Rayman, Iron Soidier 2, Avs.P, and many more.
#35 Posted by GSJones1994 (340 posts) -

[QUOTE="GSJones1994"]

[QUOTE="conkertheking1"]

Get N, or get out!

The only system that has a chance against N64 is Playstation. Saturn is okay at best, but the other two are just scrub systems overall.

Jag85

Nah, N64's library wasn't very good compared to Saturn and PS1's. The N64 didn't even come close to having as good third-party support as the SS and PS1's, and it had the smallest library of the three consoles, even though, the N64 library is still good in it's own right, with excellent titles from Nintendo and Rare, LucasArts, iD, and what have ya.

Saturn is actually a very good system, if you ask me and I would recommend collecting for it, if you have the money that is because Saturn games ain't cheap. But there are lots of great titles on the system.

Saturn has:

Best version of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, best version of Mega Man 8, best version of Mega Man X4, best version of the original Resident Evil, best version of Hideo Kojima's Policenauts, best version of Street Fighter Alpha 2, best versions of X-Men vs. Street Fighter and Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter, also Sega brought out new IPs for the Saturn like Panzer Dragoon, Virtua Cop, Wachenroder, Burning Rangers, Virtual On, Deep Fear, Daytona USA, and The House of the Dead. Not too bad, eh?

Interesting. I didn't even realize the Saturn has a larger library than the N64. I suppose a majority of those Saturn games were exclusive to Japan?

Some were, but a good chunk of them were released in the U.S. and PAL regions, like the Mega Man games, RE1, some Street Fighter games, and what have you.
#36 Posted by NationProtector (1609 posts) -

[QUOTE="conkertheking1"]

Get N, or get out!

The only system that has a chance against N64 is Playstation. Saturn is okay at best, but the other two are just scrub systems overall.

GSJones1994

Nah, N64's library wasn't very good compared to Saturn and PS1's. The N64 didn't even come close to having as good third-party support as the SS and PS1's, and it had the smallest library of the three consoles, even though, the N64 library is still good in it's own right, with excellent titles from Nintendo and Rare, LucasArts, iD, and what have ya.

Saturn is actually a very good system, if you ask me and I would recommend collecting for it, if you have the money that is because Saturn games ain't cheap. But there are lots of great titles on the system.

Saturn has:

Best version of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, best version of Mega Man 8, best version of Mega Man X4, best version of the original Resident Evil, best version of Hideo Kojima's Policenauts, best version of Street Fighter Alpha 2, best versions of X-Men vs. Street Fighter and Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter, also Sega brought out new IPs for the Saturn like Panzer Dragoon, Virtua Cop, Wachenroder, Burning Rangers, Virtual On, Deep Fear, Daytona USA, and The House of the Dead. Not too bad, eh?

In North America, the N64 has a larger library than the Saturn.
#37 Posted by GSJones1994 (340 posts) -
[QUOTE="GSJones1994"]

[QUOTE="conkertheking1"]

Get N, or get out!

The only system that has a chance against N64 is Playstation. Saturn is okay at best, but the other two are just scrub systems overall.

NationProtector

Nah, N64's library wasn't very good compared to Saturn and PS1's. The N64 didn't even come close to having as good third-party support as the SS and PS1's, and it had the smallest library of the three consoles, even though, the N64 library is still good in it's own right, with excellent titles from Nintendo and Rare, LucasArts, iD, and what have ya.

Saturn is actually a very good system, if you ask me and I would recommend collecting for it, if you have the money that is because Saturn games ain't cheap. But there are lots of great titles on the system.

Saturn has:

Best version of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, best version of Mega Man 8, best version of Mega Man X4, best version of the original Resident Evil, best version of Hideo Kojima's Policenauts, best version of Street Fighter Alpha 2, best versions of X-Men vs. Street Fighter and Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter, also Sega brought out new IPs for the Saturn like Panzer Dragoon, Virtua Cop, Wachenroder, Burning Rangers, Virtual On, Deep Fear, Daytona USA, and The House of the Dead. Not too bad, eh?

In North America, the N64 has a larger library than the Saturn.

In NA, yes, because the Saturn was discontinued in '98, and the N64 lived on until 2003. But the Saturn's overall library is bigger, because it lived on in Japan until late 2000. It also had better 3rd party support, despite the system only living on in Japan after it was discontinued in the U.S. and Europe 2 years earlier.
#38 Posted by NationProtector (1609 posts) -
[QUOTE="NationProtector"][QUOTE="GSJones1994"]

Nah, N64's library wasn't very good compared to Saturn and PS1's. The N64 didn't even come close to having as good third-party support as the SS and PS1's, and it had the smallest library of the three consoles, even though, the N64 library is still good in it's own right, with excellent titles from Nintendo and Rare, LucasArts, iD, and what have ya.

Saturn is actually a very good system, if you ask me and I would recommend collecting for it, if you have the money that is because Saturn games ain't cheap. But there are lots of great titles on the system.

Saturn has:

Best version of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, best version of Mega Man 8, best version of Mega Man X4, best version of the original Resident Evil, best version of Hideo Kojima's Policenauts, best version of Street Fighter Alpha 2, best versions of X-Men vs. Street Fighter and Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter, also Sega brought out new IPs for the Saturn like Panzer Dragoon, Virtua Cop, Wachenroder, Burning Rangers, Virtual On, Deep Fear, Daytona USA, and The House of the Dead. Not too bad, eh?

GSJones1994
In North America, the N64 has a larger library than the Saturn.

In NA, yes, because the Saturn was discontinued in '98, and the N64 lived on until 2003. But the Saturn's overall library is bigger, because it lived on in Japan until late 2000. It also had better 3rd party support, despite the system only living on in Japan after it was discontinued in the U.S. and Europe 2 years earlier.

North America has more Saturn games than Japan last I counted, but a lot of sites have different numbers now, so we will need to investigate.
#39 Posted by Talldude80 (6321 posts) -

Yeah, Playstation rules them all.  I like the order of the Topic. 

1. PS

2. N64

3. Saturn

4. 3DO

5. Jaguar

#40 Posted by LittleMac19 (1638 posts) -
[QUOTE="LittleMac19"][QUOTE="luckykoopsie"]

Name your # 1 psx game.

GSJones1994
Chrono Cross, while most people bash it I thought it was a masterpiece.

Most people bash it? It has a 94/100 on Metacritic for crying out loud!

Scores don't always necessarily reflect the public's general perception of a game because if that was the case GTA:IV would not be constantly trashed for not being nearly as fun or good as GTA Vice City or San Andreas even though it scored higher than both or FFXIII which got solid scores but was still bashed to hell and back when compared to other games in the series. Even though I think the scores for Chrono Cross are justified and well deserved doesn't mean that the rest of the general public will think in the same way as I.
#41 Posted by Jag85 (5817 posts) -

[QUOTE="GSJones1994"][QUOTE="LittleMac19"]Chrono Cross, while most people bash it I thought it was a masterpiece.LittleMac19
Most people bash it? It has a 94/100 on Metacritic for crying out loud!

Scores don't always necessarily reflect the public's general perception of a game because if that was the case GTA:IV would not be constantly trashed for not being nearly as fun or good as GTA Vice City or San Andreas even though it scored higher than both or FFXIII which got solid scores but was still bashed to hell and back when compared to other games in the series. Even though I think the scores for Chrono Cross are justified and well deserved doesn't mean that the rest of the general public will think in the same way as I.

Arguably the most classic example of this would be MGS2, which holds a very high 96/100 Metacritic score, yet it got bashed like hell and back for its controversial plot twists.

I wouldn't really consider GTA IV to be a great example though, since the main reason why it often gets hate is simply because they see it as overrated, not because of any controversial content within it that alienated fans, like for example Chrono Cross, MGS2, Mass Effect 3, etc.

#42 Posted by Heirren (19665 posts) -
I simply can't deny the fun had with the n64 multiplayer. I think for that reason alone its the best, not to mention the other solo masterpieces released for it.
#43 Posted by RossRichard (2702 posts) -

I have all but Jaguar, and it is PS1 all the way. Not even close really.

3d0 is a very underrated system, however.

#44 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

The fifth generation was responsible for the most competitive (and over-crowded) console war of all time...

  • Fujitsu FM Towns Marty
  • Pioneer LaserActive
  • Panasonic 3DO Interactive Multiplayer
  • Commodore Amiga CD32
  • Atari Jaguar
  • SNK Neo Geo CD
  • Bandai Playdia
  • Sega Saturn
  • Sony PlayStation
  • NEC PC-FX
  • Apple Bandai Pippin
  • Casio Loopy
  • Nintendo 64

Jag85

Wow, I never realized how much there really was out there. I mean, I've seen and heard of most of these systems, but I just never saw all sitting in front of me at once like that before.

Back in the 2nd generation, there was a LOT of competition, too. Any company that was into electronics or toys wanted a piece of the pie back then.

  • Arcadia 2001
  • Atari 2600
  • Atari 5200
  • ColecoVision
  • Fairchild Channel F
  • Intellivision
  • Magnavox Odyssey II
  • RCA Studio II
  • Sega SG-1000
  • Telegames Personal Arcade
  • Vectrex
  • Plus the multitude of dedicated consoles back then like Pong, Video Pinball, and Color T.V. Games.

And I'm sure I missed some that others can probably point out.

#45 Posted by NationProtector (1609 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

The fifth generation was responsible for the most competitive (and over-crowded) console war of all time...

  • Fujitsu FM Towns Marty
  • Pioneer LaserActive
  • Panasonic 3DO Interactive Multiplayer
  • Commodore Amiga CD32
  • Atari Jaguar
  • SNK Neo Geo CD
  • Bandai Playdia
  • Sega Saturn
  • Sony PlayStation
  • NEC PC-FX
  • Apple Bandai Pippin
  • Casio Loopy
  • Nintendo 64

Emerald_Warrior

Wow, I never realized how much there really was out there. I mean, I've seen and heard of most of these systems, but I just never saw all sitting in front of me at once like that before.

Back in the 2nd generation, there was a LOT of competition, too. Any company that was into electronics or toys wanted a piece of the pie back then.

  • Arcadia 2001
  • Atari 2600
  • Atari 5200
  • ColecoVision
  • Fairchild Channel F
  • Intellivision
  • Magnavox Odyssey II
  • RCA Studio II
  • Sega SG-1000
  • Telegames Personal Arcade
  • Plus the multitude of dedicated consoles back then like Pong, Video Pinball, and Color T.V. Games.

And I'm sure I missed some that others can probably point out.

Well, 2nd gen is a mixed bag because a lot of consoles including ones released in 84-85, where pushed back a gen. But unlike 2nd gen, most 5th gen systems just flat out failed with very little support.
#46 Posted by GSJones1994 (340 posts) -

[QUOTE="LittleMac19"][QUOTE="GSJones1994"] Most people bash it? It has a 94/100 on Metacritic for crying out loud!Jag85

Scores don't always necessarily reflect the public's general perception of a game because if that was the case GTA:IV would not be constantly trashed for not being nearly as fun or good as GTA Vice City or San Andreas even though it scored higher than both or FFXIII which got solid scores but was still bashed to hell and back when compared to other games in the series. Even though I think the scores for Chrono Cross are justified and well deserved doesn't mean that the rest of the general public will think in the same way as I.

Arguably the most classic example of this would be MGS2, which holds a very high 96/100 Metacritic score, yet it got bashed like hell and back for its controversial plot twists.

I wouldn't really consider GTA IV to be a great example though, since the main reason why it often gets hate is simply because they see it as overrated, not because of any controversial content within it that alienated fans, like for example Chrono Cross, MGS2, Mass Effect 3, etc.

Another good example is Star Fox Adventures, which has a pretty decent Metacritic score of 82/100, and was bashed heavily because it didn't stay true to the Star Fox formula.
#47 Posted by AcidTango (822 posts) -

I was more into the N64.

#48 Posted by Jag85 (5817 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

The fifth generation was responsible for the most competitive (and over-crowded) console war of all time...

  • Fujitsu FM Towns Marty
  • Pioneer LaserActive
  • Panasonic 3DO Interactive Multiplayer
  • Commodore Amiga CD32
  • Atari Jaguar
  • SNK Neo Geo CD
  • Bandai Playdia
  • Sega Saturn
  • Sony PlayStation
  • NEC PC-FX
  • Apple Bandai Pippin
  • Casio Loopy
  • Nintendo 64

Emerald_Warrior

Wow, I never realized how much there really was out there. I mean, I've seen and heard of most of these systems, but I just never saw all sitting in front of me at once like that before.

Back in the 2nd generation, there was a LOT of competition, too. Any company that was into electronics or toys wanted a piece of the pie back then.

  • Arcadia 2001
  • Atari 2600
  • Atari 5200
  • ColecoVision
  • Fairchild Channel F
  • Intellivision
  • Magnavox Odyssey II
  • RCA Studio II
  • Sega SG-1000
  • Telegames Personal Arcade
  • Vectrex
  • Plus the multitude of dedicated consoles back then like Pong, Video Pinball, and Color T.V. Games.

And I'm sure I missed some that others can probably point out.

In that 5th gen list, I think I may have left out a few others as well (like the Sanyo and Goldstar versions of 3DO, as pointed out before).

By the way, a few of the consoles you listed are not actually 2nd gen... The Pong & Odyssey clones are 1st gen, while the Sega SG-1000 and Telegames Personal Arcade are 3rd gen.

The thing about the 2nd gen itself, however, is that it was more like two completely seperate console wars:

"Gen 2.0" War (all released during 1977-1979)

  • Fairchild Channel F
  • Atari 2600
  • Bally Astrocade
  • RCA Studio II
  • Magnavox Odyssey 2
  • Intellivision

"Gen 2.5" War (all released in 1982)

  • Arcadia 2001
  • ColecoVision
  • Atari 5200
  • Vectrex

As you can see, there is a fairly big gap between the "Gen 2.0" war and the "Gen 2.5" war, so I wouldn't really consider them to be part of the same continuous console war, as was the case with the 5th gen (where there was a continuous stream of consoles released from 1993 to 1996).

#49 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

The fifth generation was responsible for the most competitive (and over-crowded) console war of all time...

  • Fujitsu FM Towns Marty
  • Pioneer LaserActive
  • Panasonic 3DO Interactive Multiplayer
  • Commodore Amiga CD32
  • Atari Jaguar
  • SNK Neo Geo CD
  • Bandai Playdia
  • Sega Saturn
  • Sony PlayStation
  • NEC PC-FX
  • Apple Bandai Pippin
  • Casio Loopy
  • Nintendo 64

Jag85

Wow, I never realized how much there really was out there. I mean, I've seen and heard of most of these systems, but I just never saw all sitting in front of me at once like that before.

Back in the 2nd generation, there was a LOT of competition, too. Any company that was into electronics or toys wanted a piece of the pie back then.

  • Arcadia 2001
  • Atari 2600
  • Atari 5200
  • ColecoVision
  • Fairchild Channel F
  • Intellivision
  • Magnavox Odyssey II
  • RCA Studio II
  • Sega SG-1000
  • Telegames Personal Arcade
  • Vectrex
  • Plus the multitude of dedicated consoles back then like Pong, Video Pinball, and Color T.V. Games.

And I'm sure I missed some that others can probably point out.

In that 5th gen list, I think I may have left out a few others as well (like the Sanyo and Goldstar versions of 3DO, as pointed out before).

By the way, a few of the consoles you listed are not actually 2nd gen... The Pong & Odyssey clones are 1st gen, while the Sega SG-1000 and Telegames Personal Arcade are 3rd gen.

The thing about the 2nd gen itself, however, is that it was more like two completely seperate console wars:

"Gen 2.0" War (all released during 1977-1979)

  • Fairchild Channel F
  • Atari 2600
  • Bally Astrocade
  • RCA Studio II
  • Magnavox Odyssey 2
  • Intellivision

"Gen 2.5" War (all released in 1982)

  • Arcadia 2001
  • ColecoVision
  • Atari 5200
  • Vectrex

As you can see, there is a fairly big gap between the "Gen 2.0" war and the "Gen 2.5" war, so I wouldn't really consider them to be part of the same continuous console war, as was the case with the 5th gen (where there was a continuous stream of consoles released from 1993 to 1996).

Except there's no such thing as a 2.5 gen, you just completely made that up. A lot of those "gen 2.0" systems as you called them, were still being produced and new games still being made for them. So they were still in the same generation. Heck, during that entire era, Atari 2600 was doing the best out of all of those system sales-wise and number of games released.

BTW, the Sega SG-1000 is a 2nd gen console, the Master System (or Sega Mark III in Japan) was Sega's 3rd gen system. The Telegames Personal Arcade is definetly a 2nd Gen system too, it plays ColecoVision and SG-1000 games, it doesn't have original games.

As for the 1st gen system, yeah, most of those are 1st gen systems. But many electronics and toy companies continued to make them far into the 2nd generation, as well, which is why I included them. The whole point of this was talking about how crowded some generations were.

#50 Posted by Jag85 (5817 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Wow, I never realized how much there really was out there. I mean, I've seen and heard of most of these systems, but I just never saw all sitting in front of me at once like that before.

Back in the 2nd generation, there was a LOT of competition, too. Any company that was into electronics or toys wanted a piece of the pie back then.

  • Arcadia 2001
  • Atari 2600
  • Atari 5200
  • ColecoVision
  • Fairchild Channel F
  • Intellivision
  • Magnavox Odyssey II
  • RCA Studio II
  • Sega SG-1000
  • Telegames Personal Arcade
  • Vectrex
  • Plus the multitude of dedicated consoles back then like Pong, Video Pinball, and Color T.V. Games.

And I'm sure I missed some that others can probably point out.

Emerald_Warrior

In that 5th gen list, I think I may have left out a few others as well (like the Sanyo and Goldstar versions of 3DO, as pointed out before).

By the way, a few of the consoles you listed are not actually 2nd gen... The Pong & Odyssey clones are 1st gen, while the Sega SG-1000 and Telegames Personal Arcade are 3rd gen.

The thing about the 2nd gen itself, however, is that it was more like two completely seperate console wars:

"Gen 2.0" War (all released during 1977-1979)

  • Fairchild Channel F
  • Atari 2600
  • Bally Astrocade
  • RCA Studio II
  • Magnavox Odyssey 2
  • Intellivision

"Gen 2.5" War (all released in 1982)

  • Arcadia 2001
  • ColecoVision
  • Atari 5200
  • Vectrex

As you can see, there is a fairly big gap between the "Gen 2.0" war and the "Gen 2.5" war, so I wouldn't really consider them to be part of the same continuous console war, as was the case with the 5th gen (where there was a continuous stream of consoles released from 1993 to 1996).

Except there's no such thing as a 2.5 gen, you just completely made that up. A lot of those "gen 2.0" systems as you called them, were still being produced and new games still being made for them. So they were still in the same generation. Heck, during that entire era, Atari 2600 was doing the best out of all of those system sales-wise and number of games released.

BTW, the Sega SG-1000 is a 2nd gen console, the Master System (or Sega Mark III in Japan) was Sega's 3rd gen system. The Telegames Personal Arcade is definetly a 2nd Gen system too, it plays ColecoVision and SG-1000 games, it doesn't have original games.

As for the 1st gen system, yeah, most of those are 1st gen systems. But many electronics and toy companies continued to make them far into the 2nd generation, as well, which is why I included them. The whole point of this was talking about how crowded some generations were.

I don't mean to go off-topic, but...

I didn't make anything up other than maybe the name "Gen 2.5"... In 1982, the ColecoVision, Atari 5200, Arcadia 2001 and Vectrex were all marketed as "next generation" consoles, but that attempt at starting a next generation was cut short by the 1983-1984 crash. It seems clear to me that there is a forgotten "crash" generation that we're missing here.

By the way, according to your own reasoning, if the SMS is the next gen after the SG-1000... then wouldn't that make the Atari 5200 next gen after the 2600? If anything, the gap between the 2600 and 5200 (five years) is much wider than the gap between the SG-1000 and SMS (two years). But the reason why I said SG-1000 is 3rd gen (despite being a gimped ColecoVision) is because its main competitor was the NES (they were both released on the same day), not the previous 2nd gen consoles. Also, the SG-1000 and NES were both more or less seen as "2nd gen" consoles in Japan (which was a bit late to the console game), so that also kind of messes things up a bit. But the point is that the SG-1000 was part of the NES console war, not the Atari 2600/5200 war (due to different geographic locations).

And finally, I'm well aware the 2nd gen was one of the most overcrowded console wars, along with the 5th. But to me, it just feels like two seperate console wars, since the ColecoVision's main competitor was the 5200, not the 2600... In fact, the ColecoVision even had an official add-on that could play 2600 games! It would be like saying the Dreamcast as a 5th gen console just because it was around at the same time as the PS1 and N64. Anyway, I'm not trying to say we should re-categorize the generations, but I think it's important to recognize that the 2nd gen had two separate sub-generations of its own.