People that pirated the game revealed in Far Cry 4

@Jacanuk

Piracy is Cloning... Not stealing. Is taking something away Piracy is just downloading ilegal COPIES.

Its bad and its wrong but its most definately not Stealing.

It's not inherently bad or wrong Lulu.

Many developers are providing free torrents of their games online.

They realize piracy is basically free community driven marketing.

There's a reason Steam is so successful and the industry is improving and getting bigger a bigger.

The people who would have bought the game, buy it wether piracy exists or not.

The only negative thing regarding piracy from a business standpoint is that it's a factor that is really difficult to calculate and document so it introduces further risk (as it's something a company can't absolutely control) in investment.

Having said that, there's no indication of piracy being negative to the industry.

@kakamoura

This is why it should be legalized :p Hahaha

Seriously though, in between inaccurate reviews and $60 Pricetags then Piracy is great... I use to do it... I would try out something new and if I liked it I'd be more than happy to fork over money to play the sequel.

I never understood piracy but wouldn't it be better to wait Steam Sales like I'm doing for Unity? Not saying I agree to disagree, It's not my place to decide who shouldn't pirate but to me, I can wait for Steam Sales depending on the game.

I used to pirate games all the time before Steam got big.

I would pirate games that I didn't think were worth their full retail price. I would have never purchased these games, so the developers didn't lose any business from me doing that.

Now that I can buy a mediocre game for $5-10 dollars a few months after release, I have no reason to pirate anymore. If anything, Steam has helped save the PC gaming industry from piracy. I don't think I know anyone who still pirates PC games to be honest.

1) You haven't proven a thing, all you did was go onto google and then link what ever you find. A good tip for you if you wish to learn how to debate is also learning that not everything on the web is true, thats why you only use sources that are valid.

2) Its utter nonsense and again no you haven't backed anything up, what you have is proven that you are either to lazy to link to credible sources or there is no such thing, i tend to go with the last one. And again taking something that isn't yours is by definition stealing.....

And yes i am ignoring your links because they are BS and lol i love the argument coming from you.

Nice try with your circular logic but its not a argument to claim that it is because you claim it is.

And piracy is stealing its not even worth the debate since everyone above kindergarten state knows this, you might try to justify it by claiming otherwise, but no pirates are nothing but thieves who hopefully will learn to be better when they grow up.

@DaVillain-

Why does it have to be Steam Specifically ? I hate Steam. :(

Again with the made up lulu definition.

Are you in college Lulu or were you homeschooled a lot? becuase with your made up words and definitions i feel so sorry for the teacher who had you in his class ;)

But lets put this to rest once and for all.

"steal - stealing - take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it."thieves stole her bicycle""

And yes digital content is someone´s property its not yours or anyone's just because its digital.

@Jacanuk

Prehistoric Definition written before the invention of the internet...

And why didn't you put up the definition of Piracy ?

If I asked you to define video games would you post the definition of movies instead ?

Piracy

1. the practice of attacking and robbing ships at sea.

2. the unauthorized use or reproduction of another's work.

Who says they are prehistoric? just because the courts and most countries legal systems are just beginging to come to terms with where to place "piracy" doesnt meant the definition is pre-historic.

The case is pretty clear here, a pirate is taking something that isn't theirs or they have a legal right to, so by the normal definition it's stealing. The only problem there is in the legal system is where they want to distinguish between theft of physical property and theft of non-physical property.

But that doesn´t mean that its not theft/stealing.

@Jacanuk

It was clearly written before the Miracle of Copy and Pasting :p

and more accurately the Pirate is COPYING something that isn't theirs or has no right to COPY.

Its not Stealing. Hell its not even Taking.

Why are you even clinging to such a dumb argument you know very well you're wrong... Its okay... I wouldn't admit to something that dumb either.

You are just keeping on the nonsense Lulu.

The key thing you seem to jump around is that you are taking something that isent yours , just because its not physcial doesnt mean its suddenly yours or doesnt have a owner.

But i am impressed at your effort to justify criminal actions.

lol That's pretty funny. Serves those pirates right, they'll get no sympathy from me.

@Jacanuk

When did I justify Criminal Actions ?

I don't know whom you had that debate with but it sure as hell wasn't me...

This is my Argument: Priacy isn't Stealing. Yes its a crime and its ilegal but no... It is defintely not Stealing.

Ok, lets try again

"It’s an age-old crime: stealing.

But it’s not about picking a pocket or holding up a bank. It’s robbing people of their ideas, inventions, and creative expressions—what’s called intellectual property—everything from trade secrets and proprietary products and parts to movies and music and software.

It’s a growing threat—especially with the rise of digital technologies and Internet file sharing networks. And much of the theft takes place overseas, where laws are often lax and enforcement more difficult. All told, intellectual property theft costs U.S. businesses billions of dollars a year and robs the nation of jobs and lost tax revenues.

Preventing intellectual property theft is a priority of the FBI’s criminal investigative program. We specifically focus on the theft of trade secrets and infringements on products that can impact consumers’ health and safety, such as counterfeit aircraft, car, and electronic parts. Key to our success is linking the considerable resources and efforts of the private sector with law enforcement partners on local, state, federal, and international levels."

Right Troll and please come back when you have a ounce of any legal knowledge.

@Jacanuk

It doesn't matter... Its still not stealing, even after Piracy the original creator still has his ideas.... They just won't be worth anything if they're everywhere.... Its still not Stealing. Its still just Copying.

Thats why its called Piracy... If it was the samething as Theft then they would just call it Theft and Piracy's Definition would still be exclusively Nautical.

Are you really trying to argue against FBI, the dictionary and the well established facts? Its like with the game debate and a shit ton of other debates we had here. Its pointless and its borderline trolling.

Its like trying to smash a head into a wall and thinking your head is harder than the wall.

Because nobody else does sales like Steam. They're basically giving games away for free at their sale prices.

Origin and GoG have very limited selections, and the sales of the former suck ass.

Then you have physical retail which is limited by having to actually drive to a store location and hope that whatever you want is in stock. Not to mention that physical retail prices very rarely dip to levels even close to what you see on Steam.

@Jacanuk

Uhm... Why don't you go look the definition of Piracy in your dictionary... Piracy ... Not theft, not stealing. PIRACY...

After that I expect a letter apology in the mail.

You are so far off base that its not even funny.

Lets take the legal first

"The marginal note to section 1 of the Theft Act 1968 describes it as a "basic definition" of theft. Sections 1(1) and (2) provide:

1.-(1) A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and "thief" and "steal" shall be construed accordingly.

(2) It is immaterial whether the appropriation is made with a view to gain, or is made for the thief’s own benefit."

So as i said come back when you are in law school and actually know what you are talking about.

@UssjTrunks

I actually have my retail games Delivered to me and their prices go down over time almost at the same rate as steam does....

Besides steam is DRM.

Care to explain the bolded part?

You are again far off base. Copyright infringement or obtaining digital property unlawfully is theft as also stated by FBI. In law there are multiple laws that cover the same topic so yes they do take apart physical and non-physical theft.

In case of non-physical theft or copyright infringement

• "Criminal penalties can run up to five years in prison and/or $250,000 in fines, even if you didn’t do it for monetary or financial or commercial gain."

Not to mention that in Ohio vs Perry , the state also charged him with theft.

But you can always go look up the NET act of 97.

Eh? first which part is contradicting anything? and your argument is wrong and i proved that so which part didn´t you understand? Also i just showed you that copyright infringement is recognized as theft, which FBI clearly says and which also was proven in Ohio vs Perry, so again which part didn´t you understand.

Contradiction? you do know that its a quote from a law right? so take it up with the lawmakers if you feel there is anything contradinary there.

And no theft is not limited to actual physical property, thats where you fail in your argument.

Ehh no it doesnt support yours it actually disproves yours, since what you said was

"Furthermore, it must be proven in a court of law that an individual stands to profit from copyright infringement for the law to apply to the individual.

And that is wrong, there doesn't need to be a profit to be guilty of theft, the simple action of downloading and obtaining something that isn't yours legally is to be considered theft of IP.

It means that you have no intention of returning or ever giving the item/object/thing back.

That is not a very good example. And it is very laymen indeed.

But you do show the problem and why many seem to have a more grey moral around when it comes to downloading digital content. Again though you think the FBI would call it theft if it wasn´t.

The funny thing after reading this thread is I actually have less respect for the guys in this thread defending their reasoning of why piracy is not stealing than I did for people I knew personally that pirated. The reason? At least they didn't make up excuses why they pirating games, music, and movies isn't stealing.

They flat out told me they knew they was stealing but they didn't care either because they couldn't afford it, they could afford it but was too cheap to buy it, or they said they was doing it to "screw over" the "greedy, evil corporations," so while I didn't agree with their methods at least they were honest with themselves.

That is all, flame me if you wish.

Serious Sam 3

Also, in Crysis 3 pirated you can't kill last boss Alpha Ceph loool.

Why do you keep trying to come with a argument that is proven wrong? again we will for easiness take Murcia and here you the NET Act of 97 which clearly mention Theft and electronic products, we have FBI who clearly states "THEFT of IP which include movies, books, games, music" and then lastly we have Ohio vs Perry where the DA specifically charged Perry with theft of the digitally downloaded content he had obtained. So why would you even begin to claim that no court sees it as theft when everyone does.

So no this has not "been decidedly not theft". Infact is clearly proven as theft.

I wasn't speaking from a legal standpoint with my post. But if we go by the legal standpoint, you can face heavy fines for pirating, such as people who were fined thousands of dollars for torrenting music.

Also, you are only one person. There are plenty of posters who will claim that piracy is justified because pirates wouldn't have bought it anyway.

Ubisoft trolling pirates? Wasn't expecting that, but it's pretty hilarious... Still, it's only a matter of time before someone eventually hacks that FOV patch.

Again

"

It’s an age-old crime: stealing.

But it’s not about picking a pocket or holding up a bank. It’s robbing people of their ideas, inventions, and creative expressions—what’s called intellectual property—everything from trade secrets and proprietary products and parts to movies and music and software.

It’s a growing threat—especially with the rise of digital technologies and Internet file sharing networks. And much of the theft takes place overseas, where laws are often lax and enforcement more difficult. All told, intellectual property theft costs U.S. businesses billions of dollars a year and robs the nation of jobs and lost tax revenues.

Preventing intellectual property theft is a priority of the FBI’s criminal investigative program. We specifically focus on the theft of trade secrets and infringements on products that can impact consumers’ health and safety, such as counterfeit aircraft, car, and electronic parts. Key to our success is linking the considerable resources and efforts of the private sector with law enforcement partners on local, state, federal, and international levels."

That is taken direct from the FBI.gov site. You are welcome to disagree with what they think but in the long run who do you think matters the most.

@indzman

Thats the one. :)

its way more hardcore than Dark Souls.