Multiple Cartoon and Real Life Zeldas is the future?

I think after Wind Waker HD releases this fall you're going to see Nintendo make a sequel with the same art style and with that the beginning of 2 different Zelda SERIES that battle for consumer's attention: Cartoon looking Zeldas vs Real Life looking Zeldas. Fans will battle it out and some will defend cartoon Zelda while some will defend real life Zelda. The cartoon Zelda will be Nintendo catering more to the younger generation and the real life Zelda for the elder crowd.

It will be similar to Galaxy (core) vs New Super (casual) for Mario games. The real life Zelda will introduce new things never seen in Zelda games while the cartoon Zelda will stay closer to its roots. What do you think?

I think Nintendy should ditch the Wind Waker HD and focus on new things they can make. I mean, look at the Sonic series. SEGA's redeemed themselves a bit, but that's only because they chose to follow the "nostalgia" marketing path. Now that they've had some success with some flashback attempts such as Generations, they're probably never going to come up with new stuff anymore.

In Zelda's case, they should always be focusing on what they can build on from the previous game. I don't see how a new Wind Waker will change anything, and the one on the GameCube is still fun to play, even today. Like the developers said, Zelda titles will continue to be made until they can top one that is better and more revolutionary than how Ocarina of Time was for its generation.

Ill personally buy any Zelda title they release, HD remake or not

I never owned a Nintendo home console, so I would certainly buy any Zelda remake title they release on 3DS. Still hoping for a Marjora's Mask,Windwaker and Twillight Princess on 3dsIC3_C0LD_ZERO

How do you make it through life never owning a Nintendo console? I mean it's one thing to not be interested in their stuff currently but they didn't have too much competition till 95.

[QUOTE="IC3_C0LD_ZERO"]I never owned a Nintendo home console, so I would certainly buy any Zelda remake title they release on 3DS. Still hoping for a Marjora's Mask,Windwaker and Twillight Princess on 3dsGamefan1986

How do you make it through life never owning a Nintendo console? I mean it's one thing to not be interested in their stuff currently but they didn't have too much competition till 95.

He is probably young or just started gaming.

They have already stated that they like the Skyward Sword visual style and that the next Zelda will be in that vein.

We may see a "realistic" one sometime after "Skyward Sword 2".

They have already stated that they like the Skyward Sword visual style and that the next Zelda will be in that vein.

We may see a "realistic" one sometime after "Skyward Sword 2".

nameless12345

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[QUOTE="IC3_C0LD_ZERO"]I never owned a Nintendo home console, so I would certainly buy any Zelda remake title they release on 3DS. Still hoping for a Marjora's Mask,Windwaker and Twillight Princess on 3dsLJChronx

How do you make it through life never owning a Nintendo console? I mean it's one thing to not be interested in their stuff currently but they didn't have too much competition till 95.

He is probably young or just started gaming.

I kind of feel like they will try and make a more "realistic" Zelda for the Wii U and they might stick with the Wind Waker style for the 3DS games like they did with the DS.

Honestly I don't care too much. I just want to make sure they don't stray to far away from what made the franchise great. Was the single player adventure massive non linear world for you to explore.

Skyward Sword was kind of a disapointment in that regard because the world was incredibly linear compared to past games.

[QUOTE="IC3_C0LD_ZERO"]I never owned a Nintendo home console, so I would certainly buy any Zelda remake title they release on 3DS. Still hoping for a Marjora's Mask,Windwaker and Twillight Princess on 3dsGamefan1986

How do you make it through life never owning a Nintendo console? I mean it's one thing to not be interested in their stuff currently but they didn't have too much competition till 95.

I would like to see Zelda look like either the tech demo that was shown a while back (showcasing lighting and HD), or have it have an ethereal look to it, similar to how Sony's The Last Guardian looks. Either of those I would love to see. To make it too realistic would remove a lot of the charm and feeling of wonder that Zelda is known for. Though I am concerned by Nintendo's statements that the next Zelda will be using the same artstyle as SS. I fear it won't look any significantly different or better than SS, which visually I didn't find impressive at all. MirkoS77

I don't really care what kind of art-style they use for Zelda TBH. I've liked the art-style's shown in WW, TP, and even SS (though to a lesser extent), so art-style isn't really a concern for me for Zelda.

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]I would like to see Zelda look like either the tech demo that was shown a while back (showcasing lighting and HD), or have it have an ethereal look to it, similar to how Sony's The Last Guardian looks. Either of those I would love to see. To make it too realistic would remove a lot of the charm and feeling of wonder that Zelda is known for. Though I am concerned by Nintendo's statements that the next Zelda will be using the same artstyle as SS. I fear it won't look any significantly different or better than SS, which visually I didn't find impressive at all. Shinobishyguy

Or this:

Look at that and imagine playing with those visuals.  It would be fvcking EPIC.

But I'm sick and tired of this:

It's utterly boring and dull, looks half-assed (look at those trees), and it's now what they are coming out and claiming they're aiming for for the next one (or at least the same style, but again, art style can be used to compensate so until they release screens it remains to be seen but my expectations are in the gutter).

And yet when the tech demo (first pic) was shown and people got raving mad with excitement, what does Nintendo do?  They came out and made it a point to  say "This is not what the next Zelda will look like, it's simply a demo of what the tech can do".  Why do they say such things?  Why show what their best franchise could potentially look like, what they KNOW people are drooling for, and then they shoot down everyone's hopes?  Do they think this is what people want to hear, or would everyone love, "This is what you can expect for the next one!" instead?  

So are we going to see another Zelda that looks slightly improved from the last picture, or like the first two?  I really hope it looks more close to the first two because quite frankly I can't defend Nintendo having Zelda look like such in 2013....or even when it was released for that matter.  Those are antiquated visuals, and I don't care what brush they are painted with.  It's time for a complete overhaul.  And as those top pics show, it retains that Zelda feeling.  Sure it'd be a bit more mature, but I don't think that's a bad thing at all and don't believe it would turn off kids, or anyone for that matter.  

Would you like to see it look like the first two pics, or the last with slight improvements?

When I say realistic I mean somewhat realistic, as in comparison to Wind Waker anything Zelda we've seen looks realistic in comparison.[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="MirkoS77"]I would like to see Zelda look like either the tech demo that was shown a while back (showcasing lighting and HD), or have it have an ethereal look to it, similar to how Sony's The Last Guardian looks. Either of those I would love to see. To make it too realistic would remove a lot of the charm and feeling of wonder that Zelda is known for. Though I am concerned by Nintendo's statements that the next Zelda will be using the same artstyle as SS. I fear it won't look any significantly different or better than SS, which visually I didn't find impressive at all. LoG-Sacrament

Or this:

Look at that and imagine playing with those visuals.  It would be fvcking EPIC.

But I'm sick and tired of this:

It's utterly boring and dull, looks half-assed (look at those trees), and it's now what they are coming out and claiming they're aiming for for the next one (or at least the same style, but again, art style can be used to compensate so until they release screens it remains to be seen but my expectations are in the gutter).

And yet when the tech demo (first pic) was shown and people got raving mad with excitement, what does Nintendo do?  They came out and made it a point to  say "This is not what the next Zelda will look like, it's simply a demo of what the tech can do".  Why do they say such things?  Why show what their best franchise could potentially look like, what they KNOW people are drooling for, and then they shoot down everyone's hopes?  Do they think this is what people want to hear, or would everyone love, "This is what you can expect for the next one!" instead?  

So are we going to see another Zelda that looks slightly improved from the last picture, or like the first two?  I really hope it looks more close to the first two because quite frankly I can't defend Nintendo having Zelda look like such in 2013....or even when it was released for that matter.  Those are antiquated visuals, and I don't care what brush they are painted with.  It's time for a complete overhaul.  And as those top pics show, it retains that Zelda feeling.  Sure it'd be a bit more mature, but I don't think that's a bad thing at all and don't believe it would turn off kids, or anyone for that matter.  

Would you like to see it look like the first two pics, or the last with slight improvements?

Too be honest when I was younger I loved the realistic style, but now I love both and that would be great if they continued both.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="MirkoS77"]I would like to see Zelda look like either the tech demo that was shown a while back (showcasing lighting and HD), or have it have an ethereal look to it, similar to how Sony's The Last Guardian looks. Either of those I would love to see. To make it too realistic would remove a lot of the charm and feeling of wonder that Zelda is known for. Though I am concerned by Nintendo's statements that the next Zelda will be using the same artstyle as SS. I fear it won't look any significantly different or better than SS, which visually I didn't find impressive at all. MirkoS77

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't look that ugly. Obviously the plants and geometry would have more polygons and wouldn't look blocky.

I actually think it would look like the tech demo, but with the same colorfulness as SS

Shinobishyguy

Admittedly I do want to see it look like the tech demo, with the same tone.  I don't get Nintendo's insistence on keeping Zelda looking like a coloring book.  Actually, scratch that.....I suspect it's to allow them to keep using rudimentary and low poly models, not only to compensate for their insistence on using older hardware, but it also takes less effort.  Those trees are inexcusable for a game that came out barely more than a year ago, they look like they're on the N64.  As far as I see it, they can only be due to two factors:

1)laziness,

or...

2)hardware limitations.

I'd guess it's due more to the 2nd with a bit of the 1st.  But now with hardware that is not really that different than the 360 and PS3, it remains to be seen what the next game will look like.  I'm trying to picture the first pic with the last pic's style and can't.  When it is shown and if it looks like the tech demo with a SS artstyle, then I think I'm just outgrowing Zelda's presentation.  When everything is so bright and cheery, it's very boring because there's little variety in the spectrum.  The atmosphere feels all the same, even in dungeons because it's darker relative to cheery, which is to say not really dark at all.  If they allowed it to look like the demo with a more neutral tone, the stark contrast between light and dark would make it visually much more interesting and appealing, IMO, and would allow for vastly different degrees of atmosphere.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="MirkoS77"]I would like to see Zelda look like either the tech demo that was shown a while back (showcasing lighting and HD), or have it have an ethereal look to it, similar to how Sony's The Last Guardian looks. Either of those I would love to see. To make it too realistic would remove a lot of the charm and feeling of wonder that Zelda is known for. Though I am concerned by Nintendo's statements that the next Zelda will be using the same artstyle as SS. I fear it won't look any significantly different or better than SS, which visually I didn't find impressive at all. MirkoS77

Or this:

Look at that and imagine playing with those visuals.  It would be fvcking EPIC.

But I'm sick and tired of this:

It's utterly boring and dull, looks half-assed (look at those trees), and it's now what they are coming out and claiming they're aiming for for the next one (or at least the same style, but again, art style can be used to compensate so until they release screens it remains to be seen but my expectations are in the gutter).

And yet when the tech demo (first pic) was shown and people got raving mad with excitement, what does Nintendo do?  They came out and made it a point to  say "This is not what the next Zelda will look like, it's simply a demo of what the tech can do".  Why do they say such things?  Why show what their best franchise could potentially look like, what they KNOW people are drooling for, and then they shoot down everyone's hopes?  Do they think this is what people want to hear, or would everyone love, "This is what you can expect for the next one!" instead?  

So are we going to see another Zelda that looks slightly improved from the last picture, or like the first two?  I really hope it looks more close to the first two because quite frankly I can't defend Nintendo having Zelda look like such in 2013....or even when it was released for that matter.  Those are antiquated visuals, and I don't care what brush they are painted with.  It's time for a complete overhaul.  And as those top pics show, it retains that Zelda feeling.  Sure it'd be a bit more mature, but I don't think that's a bad thing at all and don't believe it would turn off kids, or anyone for that matter.  

Would you like to see it look like the first two pics, or the last with slight improvements?

They picked the SS style because the Wii was too weak to handle "realistic" graphics, imo.

With WiiU, they have enough power for a "realistic-looking" Zelda game and I too think they should stick to that tech-demo style. (since we already are getting another "cartoony" Zelda, i.e. Wind Waker HD remake)

But knowing Nintendo, the game will probably look totally different again...

edit: I'd like to see a return to the 2D top-down style of the old Zeldas too.

Personally I think it's utterly shameful that Nintendo continues to base their sales around rehashes and remakes of series that are nearing the 30 year old mark, it's downright insulting if you ask me. Mario has been around since '85, Metroid since '86, and Zelda has been kicking since '87. It wouldn't be so bad if it was a modern remake or revision of a game that was originally made back then (I'll explain that point in a moment), but Nintendo has been releasing a steady stream of piss in this form with every console they've ever created. The most recent Mario games have been mere graphical updates of games made in the mid '80s and they charge retail price. Now the point I was making earlier was this; take a series like Metal Gear. The original was launched in 1987 on Famicom (the Japanese NES) and it saw a sequel in 1990. Two games, franchise dropped. Now this is a proper form of a remake, Sony picks up the series eight years later, takes the basic principle of the game and the canon and takes it from third to fifth generation and then proceeds to release one or two primary games per console generation (no, I'm not counting hand-held releases). Nintendo really needs to stop beating their proverbial dead horse and actually do something innovative, and if you mention the Wii U's touch screen controller, that's what you call a gimmick, not innovation. I've yet to see it do one thing that couldn't be done on screen.ESPM400

Uh, the Mario, Zelda and Metroid games have seen more improvements and changes thru time than most other, newer franchises did...

The only "rehashy" sub-series Nintendo has is the "New" SMB. series.

I never owned a Nintendo home console, so I would certainly buy any Zelda remake title they release on 3DS. Still hoping for a Marjora's Mask,Windwaker and Twillight Princess on 3dsIC3_C0LD_ZERO

You can download the classics from the console's online store, if you want. The Wii U store will take a while to have the games, though.

[QUOTE="ESPM400"]Personally I think it's utterly shameful that Nintendo continues to base their sales around rehashes and remakes of series that are nearing the 30 year old mark, it's downright insulting if you ask me. Mario has been around since '85, Metroid since '86, and Zelda has been kicking since '87. It wouldn't be so bad if it was a modern remake or revision of a game that was originally made back then (I'll explain that point in a moment), but Nintendo has been releasing a steady stream of piss in this form with every console they've ever created. The most recent Mario games have been mere graphical updates of games made in the mid '80s and they charge retail price. Now the point I was making earlier was this; take a series like Metal Gear. The original was launched in 1987 on Famicom (the Japanese NES) and it saw a sequel in 1990. Two games, franchise dropped. Now this is a proper form of a remake, Sony picks up the series eight years later, takes the basic principle of the game and the canon and takes it from third to fifth generation and then proceeds to release one or two primary games per console generation (no, I'm not counting hand-held releases). Nintendo really needs to stop beating their proverbial dead horse and actually do something innovative, and if you mention the Wii U's touch screen controller, that's what you call a gimmick, not innovation. I've yet to see it do one thing that couldn't be done on screen.nameless12345

Uh, the Mario, Zelda and Metroid games have seen more improvements and changes thru time than most other, newer franchises did...

The only "rehashy" sub-series Nintendo has is the "New" SMB. series.

Yeah, have you played the new Sonic the Hedgehog games? Ugh! Just don't.

[QUOTE="ESPM400"]Personally I think it's utterly shameful that Nintendo continues to base their sales around rehashes and remakes of series that are nearing the 30 year old mark, it's downright insulting if you ask me. Mario has been around since '85, Metroid since '86, and Zelda has been kicking since '87. It wouldn't be so bad if it was a modern remake or revision of a game that was originally made back then (I'll explain that point in a moment), but Nintendo has been releasing a steady stream of piss in this form with every console they've ever created. The most recent Mario games have been mere graphical updates of games made in the mid '80s and they charge retail price. Now the point I was making earlier was this; take a series like Metal Gear. The original was launched in 1987 on Famicom (the Japanese NES) and it saw a sequel in 1990. Two games, franchise dropped. Now this is a proper form of a remake, Sony picks up the series eight years later, takes the basic principle of the game and the canon and takes it from third to fifth generation and then proceeds to release one or two primary games per console generation (no, I'm not counting hand-held releases). Nintendo really needs to stop beating their proverbial dead horse and actually do something innovative, and if you mention the Wii U's touch screen controller, that's what you call a gimmick, not innovation. I've yet to see it do one thing that couldn't be done on screen.nameless12345

Uh, the Mario, Zelda and Metroid games have seen more improvements and changes thru time than most other, newer franchises did...

The only "rehashy" sub-series Nintendo has is the "New" SMB. series.

I could see that given how the Hero from the Wind Waker wasn't the Reincarnated Hero we seen in the other series