is Microsoft a misunderstood victim?

MS isnt a victim of anything, they're banking in with the xb1 a f*ck load more than alot of people think. The xbox1 is a great system, pumping out great exclusives, innovative socialism through gaming and decent apps that people actually use on a daily basis like skype, youtube and netflix. Now before all you butthurt egotsitic playstation nerds jump on me for speaking that cold harsh truth that you hate to hear, The ps4 has most of that great shit aswell, only problem is...its more expensive than the xb1 here in AUS and the system literally has no f*cking games. But thats okay because it looks really cool and it's really powerful just like my toaster.

@mesomorphin: im not gonna name Ps4 games, but its games offer is similar to the X1, both consoles have a lack of games,.

victim ?..... Victim ? ? ?..... VICTIM ! ? ! ? ! ? ! ?

Hell No ! Do you have any idea how much of a pain in the ass my 360 has been to me ?

retail games on ps4 but not on xbox

- killzone

-knack

-infamous

retail games on xbox but not on ps4...period

- Ryse

- Forza 5

- Titanfall

- Plants vs zombies garden warfare

- Zoo tycoon

- Dead rising 3

- Fighter within

- Kinect sports Rivals

Now I understand that some of those kinect based titles may not appeal to you, but they certainly have an audience of their own whether they tickle your fancy or not. And none the less they count towards the library of games available to the system, to counter your comment "both consoles have a lack of games" and even if you take those two titles away you're still left with 3 games more than the ps4 is currently offering ,and unlike the ps4 which side from infamous, both Knack and Killzone are mere tech demos.... as apose to fleshed out games like Dead rising, titanfall, forza and PVZ.

Both consoles do have a lack of games, even if the X1 has slightly more they both still suck for games out at the moment

I don't think any company is a victim. It is up to you to adjust your business model to the market and consumers not the other way around. And if they had not pulled a 180 on their original vision they would be hurting even more than they are now.

Plants vs Zombies is about to come out for PS4. the only reason forza 5 and dead rising 3 came out is because microsoft just left 360 for dead and moved on and moved it's titles with it, this in turn making them just mer ports.

Well every where else the PS4 is either 80 or 100 cheaper than the X1 as it stands at this moment in time, with the slection of games there isn't much in it, anything now until the end of the year is multiplats, sunset overdrive is yet to have a release date, quantum break has been moved to 2015, there is only sony at the moment which is constantly pumping out games whehter it's indies, both systems as it stands right now have no exclusives except 1 to come out by the end of the year so your argument is pretty lackluster.

it very much seems like your a fanboy to Microsoft.

On Topic no there not a Victim, they marketed a Multimedia box which puts games second to a gaming community, they falsely advertised that the Xbox One is an All in one box for TV to films to games. Lets make it clear it is no way shape or form an all in one box, for starters to use the cable you have to have cable, you have to then plug your cable box into your X1 box this in turn now makes it 2 boxes, it also gives you hassal and a bigger electric bill due to the fact if you want to watch tv you have to put both boxes on, not only this but with the size of games becoming larger and people wanting to use the X1 as a multimedia centre will soon realize that a 500gb harddrive which is unremovable, is just not good enough, and in turn your'll have to now buy a bigger external harddrive, this now which started out as a all in one box, has turned into 3 boxes, forget netflix or anything like that, i can get that on any device I want, skype isn't a massive thing really anymore seeing as most of us have laptops which can do this or even mobile phones on contract with free minutes. I think they missed a trick and thought they were alot bigger than they thought last E3 and just got shown up for that, no one is bigger than the consumer.

A victim? You have to be kidding me. They're victims of their own fucking greed and stupidity, that's about it!

Microsoft is a arrogant company who thought they could walk on water because they had a success with the X360 and then thought they had the goodwill to do anything even say F you to europe and nobody would love them less.

Didn't I just see this exact same thread somewhere else?

And no, they're not victims of anything.

Microsoft ~ There is no sympathy for self inflicted wounds.

@speedfreak48t5p: "Didn't I just see this exact same thread somewhere else?"

Yeah you probably saw it in System Wars as just a poll. That's where I started, but I accidentally hit Enter when I was doing the Poll answers, and I couldn't go back and change things, so I brought it here so as not to flood that forum. I wanted to get my thoughts down on how I see things as well. :-)

Dat Fanboyism,

But to answer your question, no just an overconfident company paying for self-inflicted wounds and no good will towards their user base for years on Xbox 360. It's a good system and I want it however they ain't a victim just hit by that 3rd generation curse (it hit Sony too last generation of course them being idiotic on policies too)

@speedfreak48t5p: "Didn't I just see this exact same thread somewhere else?"

Yeah you probably saw it in System Wars as just a poll. That's where I started, but I accidentally hit Enter when I was doing the Poll answers, and I couldn't go back and change things, so I brought it here so as not to flood that forum. I wanted to get my thoughts down on how I see things as well. :-)

I'd say that they are kind of. Sure they made some mistakes but there are no doubt some people that hate on them just because it's popular or to defend the console of their. I think they've done a very good job of listening to the consumer feedback and adjusting accordingly.

They relied on the popularity of the XBOX brand to provide them with f*ckyourcustomerintheassimmunity. Luckily people didn't cave for that crap, and as they reap they now surely must sow.

MS did this shit to themselves and i don't support anti-consumer policies

A company...a victim? Yes and no I suppose. They are in the sense that the xbox consumer from last generation sort of carved out where the division was going to head, based on numbers. When you have fanboys that buy Kinect because "i wanted to see what it was like" "out of curiousity" ....it speaks volumes of the brand. The supporters don't know what they want, so MS doesn't know where to invest money other than where the numbers show.

It is a shame that the original xbox crew isn' around. I wonder where those guys are at. Even though in hindsight(at the time it was my most played console) the original xbox probably wasn't the best of the three(out of gc/ps2) the people driving the division truly understood what "next gen gaming" meant, or what the consumer wanted it to be. 360 fanboys are blind fanboys as they only have themselves to blame for what happened to the brand.

For those who where offended by my opinion and felt as though their insecurity was deeply cut open by the truth, I sincerely apologize. And for those accusing me of being a MS fanboy, I dont give a flying f*ck about either system, I just dont suck up to the popular opinion, I see through the bullshit and express my own opinion. Sorry you had to spare 5 minutes away from your precious life to hear that.

@Archangel3371: You make a good point, with one exception: We were all saying this stuff, BEFORE E3 last year. Hell, we were saying it at the X-1 reveal when MS remained tight-lipped. if AoDR and Used games weren't an issue being talked about by gamers before the announcement, I could see Microsoft really being blindsided by this. But they heard the chatter as much as any of us. And while there may be a "vocal minority," that doesn't mean there aren't a lot of people who just couldn't imagine a console developer doing something like that, with no benefit to the customer in exchange.

If microsoft listened to their customers, their x1 would never have been forced bundled with kinect. And their console would never have attempted to sneak online requirement/DRM in their games. And their system would be a powerhouse that does one thing only, play games. Over focusing on netflix and other random crap people don't need. Practically every modern tv has its own ability to stream video, or you can get a cheap streaming device to do it.

It was so easy Microsoft... all you had to do was some simple polls and ask customers what they want and what they don't want. If you mock your customers and tell there will be DRM and limited rights with their games and online requirements to use them... and then tell them to deal with it or else... thats gonna turn a lot of people against you.

They actually lie to their customers faces saying that kinect had to be integrated into their system to function properly, then all of a sudden its gone and they are like, well its pretty lame, sorry about that... i guess it wasn't needed after all since all the games that use it are complete annoying hell to play.

You are right in some areas but the marked is where you go a bit wrong. There are actually a lot myself included who like the fact that the console is more than just for playing games. So its not surprising that the customerbase who want more is a lot bigger than the small minority who just want a console that only can 1 thing - play games.

If they were misunderstood, then it's their fault for not providing a clear message. If your going to announce something that big make sure you detail what exactly it is your going to do. Make sure you a dress worries of fans. They told us we've got this radical idea but we'll inform you at a later date what exactly it is and how exactly it works.

But that's the problem. You don't buy a car to watch the included television. You don't buy a home, so you can turn it into a restaurant. Microsoft kind of treated their gamers; the people they NEED to buy the console, as an afterthought. But, where did they do the big reveal of what the X-1 can do? Not at a general tech expo, not during the release of Sony or LG's newest TV's. They did it at a GAMES convention, where the eyes of the world, are on GAMES. Imagine if when you went to buy a car, the salesman focused on the TV in the back headrests, and pretty much said "Yeah yeah, engine, six ciylinder, I don't know how much mileage, but LOOK at these screens!!! Isn't that high definition cool!! And, you.....what? YEAH, it's got airbags, now let me get back to the DVR system!!"

No, definitely not. No big company is a victim. Not Sony, not Nintendo and definitely not Microsoft.

This is not System Wars. Please keep that in mind when posting in Games Discussion, everyone.

"And then, there was last year's E3. In that E3, Microsoft made it clear their plan for riding out the AAA implosion, was pretty much to ignore it and gaming, and focus on the Kinect and it's multimedia aspects until the next generation of gaming came out. But reversal after reversal, sank that plan, and left the X-1 as "a game console" It's not THE game console, it's certainly not the indie game console, it's just a game console, like the 360 or the PS2; not forgotten, but not doing anything impacting the gaming sphere now."

I do not consider that a valid comparison. The PlayStation 2 has been established as one of the greatest video game consoles ever made with thousands of video games over the years of its generation. In contrast, the Xbox One has been out for less than twelve months and has less than one hundred games available for it.

As for the rest of what you are saying, Microsoft could have chosen to invest more into first party games besides Kinect ones over the course of 2010-2013 and then design more efficient productivity thereby reducing the cost of their own games. Also, MS would serve as an example to other companies like Square-Enix and Capcom for a better method to making games --one without high sales of an individual video game needed to simply break even.

Actually, not all of us were.

I don't see a problem. and you can't really compare a car/tv to a X1 but some do actually buy a home to turn it into a restaurant, its called a B&B or saving money. But today do you buy a tv just to watch the tv-stations? or buy a phone just make calls? of course not and thats why we have smartphones and smart tvs, because it makes sense to combine features not just financially but also consumer user friendliness , internet/tv/streaming, Phone/sms/internet and consoles with more abilities that resembles those that are on a normal pc.

Also why would you in 2014 have 1 box that plays games, 1 box that streams, 1 box that plays movies, 1 box that plays music etc... and when it doesn't really influence or degrade the power you get for playing games, i honestly don't see a problem. Infact i just looked at my media setup besides my consoles and the big screen tv and a high-quality surround sound-system Combine the above with a NAT that holds music, movies, and books i am all set and doesn't need anything else.

Actually, I do. Let's be clear, my smartphone, does a lot of cool things. But I'd ditch it in a heartbeat, if I could not COUNT ON it taking and making calls. All the other stuff, is strictly ancillary to it's primary function as a PHONE. And I'm reasonably sure I'm not the only one who feels like that.

Also why would you in 2014 have 1 box that plays games, 1 box that streams, 1 box that plays movies, 1 box that plays music etc... and when it doesn't really influence or degrade the power you get for playing games, i honestly don't see a problem. Infact i just looked at my media setup besides my consoles and the big screen tv and a high-quality surround sound-system Combine the above with a NAT that holds music, movies, and books i am all set and doesn't need anything else.

But I own a PC. So all the streaming stuff you do on a console or a smartphone, all the music stuff, all the big productions? I watch on my computer. I bought my PC so I could do a lot of things, including gaming. I'm an MMO fan, a MOBA fan, and a growing classics game fan. I bought my PS4, to play the latest GAMES. Is it nice that I can stream stuff from my PS4 using Netflix Hulu or Youtube? Sure. But if it's ODD failed, I'd send it to the recycler within a day and get a new console. I wouldn't think "Well, I can't play my purchased physical games anymore, but at least I can still stream and watch Netflix."

And that's really the problem MS faces. Not so much that they give options that people don't WANT to have, but that they already have in different forms, or for less costly options. A $200 smartphone from two years ago, can do all the things the Xbox One can with digital media. A $700 computer, can do MORE than an Xbox One can. What is the value of forgoing those two options, for an Xbox One?