@S0lidSnake said:
@CarnageHeart said:
@S0lidSnake said:
So it was in development hell after all. And that’s the entire point of my bitching the last few months about these so-called games that we keep hearing will get revealed at the next trade show…. People here are already telling me to wait for E3)…. If you cant even show a short gameplay teaser of a game you’ve been working on for the past 3-4 years then your game is in trouble and definitely not coming out in 2014. Regardless of whether or not it gets unveiled at E3.
The next half of the year is going to be practically empty with AC5,BF5 and COD5 releasing in November as the only big games of the year. God what a depressing line up that is.
I remember fall and holiday 2007… Bioshock, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Halo 3, Uncharted, Ratchet, Mass Effect, CoD 4, Ass Creed 1 …. Soo many new IPs at the start of last gen.
Holiday 2007 was two years into the then current gen. Also, Halo, Ratchet, CoD and Warhawk weren't new IPs...
I knew you wouldn't be able to keep your streak of being right going for more than a single post :).
Sony keeping its cards to close its vest makes sense given its history (the backlash from the CGtastic E3 2005 taught them a hard lesson) and its circumstances (I go to game stores quite often and I haven't seen a PS4 in the wild in weeks).
On a related note, I remember a certain poster working himself into hysterics because he saw a screen capture of a low resolution offscreen video of Killzone and convinced himself that Sony had been lying to him and that everything shown before was fake.
If you want to believe Sony isn't going to unveil any 2013 games at E3, suit yourself. I'm sure they will show off many such games. Of course, some of the games will be online only (if you are a small developer in 2014 making an online focused, budget priced game akin to 2007's Warhawk, there is no reason to bother with retail).
Carnage you really thing I would type Halo 3 and CoD4 and not know they aren't sequels? I was obviously talking about the other games on the list. What next gen new IPs are getting released this holiday season aside from The Order? Destiny? A cross gen game? And yes, i highly doubt that Sony and other publishers will announce their games at E3 and have them ready for release in six months. Especially this gen which has seen many games get delayed again and again. Watch Dogs, MGSV, Destiny, Division, Mirror's Edge, Dragon Age, Witcher 3, The Order, That Ubisoft Car racing game were all revealed last E3. How many made it to the launch last year? Hell, Watch Dogs was revealed two E3s ago. So yes, I am skeptical but only because i know how this industry works. Not every company is Activision and Ubisoft who have 1000 people across 3-6 different studios making sequels every year.
And thats precisely why I dont believe Sony is keeping things close to their chest because of overpromising at E3 2005. They have under-delivered at every press conference since the reveal which was received with a lukewarm reception already by most critics who were wondering where the games were. 5 trade shows and events later and they are still keeping things close to their chest? Why? I'll tell you, they didnt have faith in this game or it wasn't ready. Same goes for every other game. Thats why we didnt see anything from the Order at Gamescom, TGS and the launch event because if what we got last week was the best they have now, they didnt have anything good last year.
And lastly, and this is very important. That KZ vid looked like shit on my phone.
With you, one never knows. As I pointed out (and you ignored) most of the games you named came out two years into the generation.
Some of the games you named were pushed back, but some of them never had release dates (MGS5, The Order). Games getting pushed back doesn't thrill me, but its better than a game shitting the bed upon launch like Battlefield 4, Skyrim and Gran Turismo 5 did. I'd rather a developer ship a game when its done than ship it with a note that says 'Don't worry, we're going to fix it eventually!'.
The big knocks of the PS4 reveal were that they focused too much on games and developers and that Sony didn't show the actual HW or focus enough on multimedia (Microsoft's NFL centric, game-lite unveiling of the Xbone got a much more positive initial response from the media).
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/02/ps4-analysis/
Who knows — maybe it’ll pay off. But if gamers don’t flock to Sony’s rallying cry, what then? There’s a good chance Sony may realize all too late that it was Microsoft that got it right, and that you actually can sell far more game machines into people’s homes by broadening the appeal of the device beyond “the gamer… who lives for gaming.” Sony might find itself having to change course and play catch-up again, like it did when PlayStation 3 showed up empty-handed to the online-gaming party that Xbox Live was throwing in 2006.
And if that does happen, and the future is all-in-one entertainment boxes, then PlayStation 4 might be the last traditional gaming console ever released.
Unfortunately - and this may seem an odd criticism of a games machine - that is all it was. It is only a brilliant games console.
Microsoft's strategy for the Xbox appears to be looking beyond the hardcore, triple-A games launches that keep some members of the family glued to the sofa, and is casting its gaze around the rest of the room. The next-gen Xbox is intended to be part of a wider power grab for the whole family's attention combining hardcore console gaming with casual and social games,network services and music, streaming video from your personal library, network TV and the web.
In short, Microsoft aims to capture the living room by any means necessary. What Sony showed us on Wednesday still seems stuck in the world of the die-hard gamer who will always be first in line for the latest first-person shooter or blockbuster sports game.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/02/20/sony-debuts-new-playstation-4-gaming-console/
The Japanese electronics giant talked about its upcoming game console for the first time and said it will go on sale this holiday season.
But Sony didn't reveal the device itself. Presenters played games that were projected on screens in a converted opera house, but the PlayStations themselves were hidden backstage throughout Wednesday evening's two-hour event.
As for Sony Santa Monica's game, making a sci-fi focused multiplayer only shooter was a mistake. The shooter market in general is insanely competitive, but the multiplayer shooter market is even tougher. Studios with much stronger multiplayer pedigrees are jumping into said arena so I think its reasonable that Sony didn't trust the development team who had never had a multiplayer success to beat out the likes of Bungie and Infinity Ward. Despite all that, the game would have made sense if the Xbone had launched at a more reasonable price, been more capable/easier to develop for and MS sewed up exclusivity for Titanfall and Destiny, but they launched slightly underpowered HW at an insane price, sewed up only Titanfall and Bungie is focusing on the PS4...
The Order looks so impressive I think it would have detracted from Killzone's impact. If you're trying to convince someone to buy a console in its launch window, focusing on the games coming out in that timeframe and playing down the games coming out outside the window makes sense.
Last but not least, its odd that a guy that knows how the industry works doesn't know that watching a low resolution, low framerate offscreen video on a cellphone might not be the best way to experience a game's graphics.
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