Hatred - A Too Violent Game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJlTESnSxzo

Do you think hatred will get banned from platforms like steam? or perhaps even get banned on certain countries? I'm interested to hear what people think.

I think its message will be lost on people these days, because video games aren't violent without purpose anymore. They never have been. This just seems like a poor excuse to shock people.

It will be unlikely one can find it in Retail stores, I'm unsure about Steam however. And a ban in certain countries is likely. Most likely they'll have to sell it through their own website.

That said, I don't think it's because the game is too violent that people are outraged because frankly the more recent Mortal Kombat games are much more violent and gory. I think it's more of the setting and that It feels closer to home considering the school shootings and whatnot. Just like the "No Russian" scene in Modern Warfare 2. There wasn't heads flying or arms and legs torn off in explosions so in therms of Violence it was less Ultra violent, but the setting still shocked people. The same seems to be the case with Hatred. I also think the whole "Gun and run without a goal" put in the setting caused a reaction since Violence in games are justified in some way, Such as the enemy shooting back at you, they are the clear case bad guys, and to pull up GTA style games that you can shoot, stab, punch, drive over or blow up civilians but only if you choose to do so. Hatred simply goes "Shoot as many people in the game as you can until you die", no justification and very little reason to do so besides that the main character hates everything. It removes the justification entirely and, as far as I'm concerned, either deliberatly or not makes us look at the violence and reflect on the things we usually do in games.

If anything I think this is a great debunk of the whole " Violence in games makes gamers desensitized to violence. " Because it shows people can see the difference between fiction and reality, it also shows we can get shocked by it and how we react if we stop and think back on how we've played violent games before. It makes you question yourself and some either accept it or flat out pushes it away. If intentional or not by the developers, it's what lies in the core of the whole reaction to the game.

very good points here

They will censor it so hard

it says hatred gameplay but the video shows nothing more than what was seen in the trailer and the most common opinion of the game commentated over it.

@humanistpotato yeah that will take lot of work though ;D

Does this game have any value beyond its Violence ?

Even Dead Or Alive had Depth beyond its Boob Physics.

What a lame attempt at advertising your youtube shit, and at least if you want to advertise it be honest, this just made me skip it.

Not more violent than other violent games I play.

Yes I definitely think that it's too violent of a game. I enjoy some pretty violent games but it's generally focused on survival against monsters, aliens, demons, bad guys, etc. This game just looks repulsive to me.

I don't see the big deal, I and millions others will pop people off in GTA if they so much as mouth off to me or look at me funny (if I'm in the mood)... funny this is where people draw the line.

@lamprey263: the actual objective in GTA is not kill people around. It doesn't enforce it.

I've already debated this long enough. I'm just going to leave it at the fact that the ESRB will slap an AO on this game and it will never see the light of day in the states.

How can clicking on pixels be violent?

Assuming we can distinguish between reality and video games.

if the gamer offends you, this trailer is better for you

u could do this in videogames since gta3 so next

For me it's not enough to simply say that since you can kill innocent pedestrians in GTA games then doing so in Hatred is the exact same thing. Seeing a woman beg for her life only to be casually and cold-bloodedly be shot in the head creates something that I find to be much more emotional and disturbing then any kind of violence that I've played in any other game.

Are people so dense now that even gamers will say games cause violence? We've already had GTA, Manhunt, Postal, etc. What the hell people? Research has shown us several times that games and real world violence have no link to each other. Why the hell should this be any different. If anyone is going to go out and shoot people just because of this game, means that they were not right in the head to begin with...

I don't think it's so much that people are arguing that this game will cause violence, it's that they're actually being.......*gasp*..... offended by it. Gosh knows that violence, we want ours to be, y'know.....violence!! Sugar-coated and sweet. We can't actually SEE what violence can really bring to the table, oh no.....that'd be just too much to handle.

I think the controversy around this game says a lot about gamers and their true views on violence. It's like they go from being perfectly fine with it to being disgusted by it simply because it lacks some cheap, poorly written story which gives the mindless killing a context with which they can justify their actions. Why is nobody horrified when someone goes on a random killing spree in GTA? Is it because the story doesn't portray the character as a mass killer? Does that somehow make the violence more acceptable? Like I've been saying, it's morally inconsistent.

They may not explicitly tell you to kill, but it's built into the games design. If anything, most games trivialize killing, and so does "Hatred", but to a lesser extend I would say.

I've been killing people violently in video games since Mortal Kombat came out in the Arcade. Hatred is no big deal it's just another game.

If this is the only videogame you've seen people beg for their life, you need to play more vidyagames breh, this is absolutely nothing new. Heck, in GTA, pedestrians would shout "Please don't kill me" if they're in a dangerous situation and they'll flee for help, I don't see any difference here - except Hatred simply does it with better animations and voice acting.

I don't understand what game everybody is playing when they play GTA.

In GTA, the stories DO portray the main character as a mass killer. It's just a lot more light-hearted than Hatred, but in the end, there's not a single GTA game you can progress in unless you kill innocent people at some point, and lots of them. The only difference I can spot between GTA and Hatred is that it's not pretending to be something it isn't. Because we all GTA isn't really about stealing cars.

@KHAndAnime: Well whatever. The way she begs for her life and is killed strikes me as way too unsettling for my taste.

Maybe this game is a commentary on the mass murderers, who knows? But everyone is being so shocked by this. We have seen this before already!

I never understood the controversy on violent video games. This game isnt anything different than any violent Rockstar game, at least in terms of what you can do to innocent people.

Hatred is just the modern Postal. Cant wait to be playing this!

Doom and Mortal Kombat were "too violent" at their time, and look where we came since then.

I mean the guy in this video obiviously doesnt understand the underground community. There are many underground movies for example that do fucked up shit to humans. Maniac is one example but that movie isnt really THAT dark even if it's dark, but im sure it's a great mellow example that would put this pussy off.

If the game is to violent just dont bother it and move on, the developers don't even want people like this guy in the video to play it anyway. Don't crucify people telling them they are psychopaths just for wanting to play these kind of games.

He also says that Rockstar does it in a "fun type kind of way" which is supposed to make killing innocent people more acceptable. Maybe these Hatred developers want to give gamers another perspective on what your actually doing in your game. Just because GTA has less blood and funny protagonist doesnt mean it's LESS voilent. It's just two sides of the same fucking coin. What a fucking hypocrite.

It's this. It's not the violence itself that has people in an uproar. Hell, there are a lot of games that make the violence in Hatred seem like a Mario game. What makes the violence in Hatred seem worse is the way it's framed. People love violence, but they also want to justify it. Hatred doesn't allow them to do that.

@JustPlainLucas: Then don't play the game.

I don't think he plans to and neither do I he's just explaing how he feels how this is different to how violence has been portrayed in other games.

I don't plan to, nor do I have plans to ban the game's release. All I'm simply saying is why people who've always enjoyed violent video games suddenly won't play Hatred.

I would argue that Postal and Manhunt are the same

This is always my argument, if you cant determine the difference between fantasy (in this case a videogame) and reality then really what games you play is the least of your problems.

@JustPlainLucas: Yeah, sorry mate. It was late. Haha

Well, it has more to do with the act of wanting to do something than it is killing pixels. It can fester in some disturbed individuals, without them even really knowing until they snap. Honestly, it's hard to catch someone who's mentally ill until a violent symptom arises. How many times have we heard of shooters always being described as "a nice guy"?

I'm not saying that games cause violent behavior, but it can encourage it in individuals who are more prone to be violent themselves. This is why I view Hatred's theme as more destructive than other games who use over the top violence to comic effect. Even Postal was so much of a parody, it was practically a cartoon.

There's a layer of distinction between fantasy and fiction that I think gets completely erased with Hatred. As I said before, Hatred has no justification for its violence and has no comical aesthetic. It's a very dark, brooding, and well, hate filled game. It honestly doesn't matter to me whether you can distinguish between fiction and fantasy. It's why you even want to enact mass murder like this in the first place.

The difference of Mortal Kombat and this game Hatred is that in Hatred you see him just shooting up a random innocent women in the street. In Kombat it's a fighting game.

AGAIN !?!?!?!? reading through this thread makes me feel like its GROUNDHOG DAY! or a pretty shitty version of an EDGE OF TOMORROW

first my HATRED thread with thousands of clicks and hundreds of replies with a shotload of arguments for and against this game and now the same shitload of arguments starting AGAIN in another thread which is AGAIN about HATRED resuming in the same answers AGAIN by mostly the same people...AGAIN

do you people ever use the search function before starting a new thread ?

@sugistyle:

MAYBE(?) the reason there's so much mayhem is because our game engine technology is still too limited. If our virtual bodies are nothing more than vehicles we use to drive around the virtual world, mayhem is the most interesting game in town. I'm trying to introduce a new technology - virtual characters with automated emotions and "feelings". Please peek at this video and give me feedback, so I (we) can try -- in the future -- to tune this technology to match what experienced people would like to see in their games. The goal is NOT to eliminate violence. The goal is to ADD emotion and compassion.

Hatred has every justification for the type of violence and the manner in its portrayal, far more than any other game on the market that may even go farther in their graphical depiction of it: it's found in the name. It's annoying that people continually say this game has absolutely NO justification for it when it has the best, most honest one of all. Nothing justifies the type of abhorrent behavior found in Hatred better than the word hatred itself can say. Just because you and everyone else are discomforted by it doesn't mean it is not a valid one.

lol the same discussion with the same arguments starts again, well to throw in my 5 cents (again).....

cant wait for the game, showed it to a few guys at work and they are pretty impressed by the style/graphics and way how the brutality is shown on screen, now those guys arent the type of guys playing every shooter out there....hell they dont even play COD and they dont even know what POSTAL is, but theyre kinda impressed.....

...now i think if theres a little more to the game than just the mindless brutality...like missions, sidemissions, achievments (something like "kill 40 innocents with a sawed-off-shotgun under 2 minutes" LOL) and difficulty levels....i think the game will just kick ass!!!

but its way too soon to argue about the game being shitty or not, we all just saw a trailer with a few cutscenes, finishing moves and gameplay clips, fact is we still dont know shit about the game mechanics, mission design, gameplay etc.

I hope this game has co-op!! YEAAAAAA. Achievements! YEEEAAAAA. Mods! YEEAAAAAAAAAA.

There, some new discussion. Happy?

Except Manhunt and Postal are more horror games and your primary enemy is law enforcement (Postal) or violent gang members (Manhunt).

i remember some guys even claimed MANHUNT isnt as brutal and perverted like HATRED, but if i remember manhunt and some ways how to kill people..NO MATTER IF BAD OR INNOCENT, that guy in manhunt was just a sick freak and i doubt the guy in hatred has worse killing-styles than the character in manhunt, now please really stop worrying for those damn "innocent" pixels in hatred

This game ain't NOTHING. OP, go look up ManHunt.

Question 1: are gamers in general happy with the state of the technology, or would they like to see deeper characters and feel more emotional bonding?

Question 2: Is there any such thing as "gamers in general"?

It isn't the violence which is to much, it's the manor of how and why your carrying it out, screams wrong wrong wrong, I mean killing innocent people and that's what the game in tails you to do. I think the media will have a field day with this game and I really think it makes the video game industry even worse, i know it isn't but god dam news outlets will jump on this, and to tell you the truth, a game like this should never be made, do video games make people go out and kill people???? No of course not, you have to have a strange mind anyway, but will this game reach those individuals on the edge and maybe push them over because of the glorified essence of a game like this, I believe it will, I mean yes killing is in every game, but it's the tone of the game and the reasoning behind it which makes it have a purpose, this game just shows you, he has one purpose and thats to kill everyone, just seems a little to extreme.

If the main problem people have with this game is the objective, then I guess they would have a problem with Plague Inc: Evolved too, as in that game your purpose is to kill the entire world (not just infect, kill). You are causing a lot more pain and horror in that game than the guy in Hatred, you just don't have to watch it up close. Is pressing a button to launch a nuke at a city a better thing than going on a killing spree with an assault rifle because you don't have to watch the suffering you cause? I personally think both are wrong in real life, and equally I'm okay with both in a game. It's no more violent than other games on the market, and there already exist games with a similar objective. I think it would be silly to ban this. It doesn't really do anything that other games haven't done. I really wonder how many people that claim that the objective is the main problem of the game have said the same about Plague Inc (I'm guessing not many).

haha great comparison

i still think most people´s main problem with hatred isnt even that they kill innocents, its just the graphic way how the game shows it including all those "innocent"-screams, innocents begging for their life etc.

because as you said, in PLAGUE INC. youre actually far worse than the guy in hatred, you just kill the whole world population with all kinds of terrible viral infects and on, but since the graphic of PLAGUE INC. is limited and doesnt show any kind of innocent people suffering....they all dont complain about that game

..actually, when i look at the current ebola problem our world has to face, which is a real threat, those peope complaining about hatred should as well complain about PLAGUE INC. then, coz whats with all those people dying of ebola today and some sit at home playing around with all kinds of funny ebola-like viruses killing the whole goddamn world with it..having a huge grin on their face...well at least i have a wide grin on my face when i play PLAGUE INC. and get the news that my "ebola_v2"-virus just killed half of the world´s population.