Final Fantasy XV will be linked to XIII

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#1 Posted by The_Last_Ride (65898 posts) -

So it seems that the games will somehow link between each other despite the name change. But how much and how is still uncertain though

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#2 Edited by Randolph (10112 posts) -

WELP. That certainly isn't going to go over well. Dammit, SE… I actually liked the first XIII game. But I realize, and you need to realize, most people hated everything about the game, the story, and the characters. No one wanted two sequels to FFXIII, and no one wants any trace of FFXIII in FFXIV. Anyhoo, youtube the ending of Lightning Returns to see for yourself that this could indeed be a thing. I really wish we all liked Lightning even half as much as SE seems to do.

#3 Edited by Crossel777 (5593 posts) -

It's only linked by mythology, which we knew from the very beginning when FF Versus XIII was first announced. I doubt this connection amounts to much, probably just some small mention in some datalog somewhere. If XV even has those.

#4 Posted by Planeforger (15318 posts) -

Fortunately, if it's anything like FFXIII in any way...Square Enix won't make any attempts to establish the setting or story, and thus the only people who notice the connections will be those that read the datalogue entries.

Alternatively, if it's like FFXIII-2, the plot will heavily retcon anything that came before it, rendering all prior knowledge of the series redunant.

So eh, I wouldn't be too worried about it.

#5 Posted by Legendaryscmt (12532 posts) -

I don't get why SE is putting so much emphasis on one of the worst received Final Fantasy games. Just move on already.

#6 Posted by c_rakestraw (14457 posts) -

That was always the plan, as I recall. So nothing new here.

#7 Posted by firefox59 (4219 posts) -

Fortunately, if it's anything like FFXIII in any way...Square Enix won't make any attempts to establish the setting or story, and thus the only people who notice the connections will be those that read the datalogue entries.

Alternatively, if it's like FFXIII-2, the plot will heavily retcon anything that came before it, rendering all prior knowledge of the series redunant.

So eh, I wouldn't be too worried about it.

You should read some of the half dozen or so threads that have talked about his in the past few days. The plot to FF 13-2 was retconned, it was planned that way from the beginning.

#8 Edited by Planeforger (15318 posts) -

@firefox59: I did. From what I can tell, the evidence for the "planned from the start" part boiled down to an important 13-2 character (Yeul) getting a vague mention in a datalogue entry.

Yeul's storyline could have easily been written later, so...meh? Plus if 13-2 was planned from the start, why didn't 13's ending hint at anything that would happen in 13-2?

#9 Posted by Netret0120 (1498 posts) -

*sigh*

#10 Posted by I-AM-N00B (410 posts) -

Does this mean you have to play all the FF13 games to understand the new one? Would be a bit off-putting for me if so.

#11 Posted by The_Last_Ride (65898 posts) -

Does this mean you have to play all the FF13 games to understand the new one? Would be a bit off-putting for me if so.

we don't know, the mythology might be linked, but i doubt they are going to mention characters or events from 13

#12 Posted by bowchicka07 (740 posts) -

Worst news of the week for me.

#13 Posted by juboner (163 posts) -

Ridiculous. They have lost their ways, game dev in their prime in the late 80's to late 90's had so much more talent or drive.

#14 Edited by firefox59 (4219 posts) -

@firefox59: I did. From what I can tell, the evidence for the "planned from the start" part boiled down to an important 13-2 character (Yeul) getting a vague mention in a datalogue entry.

Yeul's storyline could have easily been written later, so...meh? Plus if 13-2 was planned from the start, why didn't 13's ending hint at anything that would happen in 13-2?

I meant to post 'wasn't' not 'was' (idk if you could tell from the following phrase.) There were multiple datalogue entries hinting at what happened in 13-2 including Etro saving the L'Cie and stopping the Fal'Cie from destroying Cocoon and Gran Pulse. Many games don't hint at their sequels' stories. Prototype's ending had nothing to do with Prototype 2's main plot. Mass Effect didn't tell you Shepherd would die at the beginning of 2 and then be recruited by the guy he was fighting against. Think about it.

FF 13's ending seemed confusing but there was evidence there if you looked and or thought about what had happened. Obviously some type of miracle had happened to break them from the crystal. And then what happened to Lighting led into 13-2. I don't see the problem.

#15 Posted by Jag85 (3983 posts) -

Why are people surprised by this? Have they forgotten that this game was originally called FF Versus XIII? Anyway, they're not set in the same universe, but merely share a certain "Fabula Nova Crystallis" mythology, along with FF Type 0 (a well-received RPG that Square Enix refuses to release outside Japan).

#17 Posted by The_Last_Ride (65898 posts) -

@blamix99 said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@I-AM-N00B said:

Does this mean you have to play all the FF13 games to understand the new one? Would be a bit off-putting for me if so.

we don't know, the mythology might be linked, but i doubt they are going to mention characters or events from 13

maybe cause at the end of FFXIII Lightning Returns, Lightning was on earth

spoiler alert dude...

#18 Posted by Metamania (11855 posts) -

That was always the plan, as I recall. So nothing new here.

And it's still a bad plan!

#19 Posted by Bigboi500 (27879 posts) -

As long as the gameplay is different, I wont mind.

#20 Posted by yokofox33 (28397 posts) -

Please just kill FFXIII already. Ultimately I won't mind as long as the game is great, but good lord SE, just stop with FFXIII already.

#21 Edited by The_Last_Ride (65898 posts) -

As long as the gameplay is different, I wont mind.

I think it's going to be a lot of differences between this and XV

#22 Posted by Metamania (11855 posts) -

@Bigboi500 said:

As long as the gameplay is different, I wont mind.

I think it's going to be a lot of differences between this and XV

In terms of what we saw of gameplay, absolutely. I have a feeling that it's going to be more in the direction of Kingdom Hearts though. I don't know if it's a good or bad thing.

#23 Posted by The_Last_Ride (65898 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Bigboi500 said:

As long as the gameplay is different, I wont mind.

I think it's going to be a lot of differences between this and XV

In terms of what we saw of gameplay, absolutely. I have a feeling that it's going to be more in the direction of Kingdom Hearts though. I don't know if it's a good or bad thing.

I haven't played those games unfortunately

#24 Edited by Metamania (11855 posts) -

@Metamania said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Bigboi500 said:

As long as the gameplay is different, I wont mind.

I think it's going to be a lot of differences between this and XV

In terms of what we saw of gameplay, absolutely. I have a feeling that it's going to be more in the direction of Kingdom Hearts though. I don't know if it's a good or bad thing.

I haven't played those games unfortunately

Truthfully, I've gotten decently far on the original and got as far as making it to the boss of Alice In Wonderland. It's pretty much an action RPG, which is what FFXV is pretty much going to be thus far, unless they really get their act together and make us a FF worthy of playing since X.

#25 Posted by The_Last_Ride (65898 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Metamania said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Bigboi500 said:

As long as the gameplay is different, I wont mind.

I think it's going to be a lot of differences between this and XV

In terms of what we saw of gameplay, absolutely. I have a feeling that it's going to be more in the direction of Kingdom Hearts though. I don't know if it's a good or bad thing.

I haven't played those games unfortunately

Truthfully, I've gotten decently far on the original and got as far as making it to the boss of Alice In Wonderland. It's pretty much an action RPG, which is what FFXV is pretty much going to be thus far, unless they really get their act together and make us a FF worthy of playing since X.

I don't mind the gameplay really in FF, it's the story that should be better and the enviroments and overall quests

#26 Edited by Articuno76 (18583 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Metamania said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Bigboi500 said:

As long as the gameplay is different, I wont mind.

I think it's going to be a lot of differences between this and XV

In terms of what we saw of gameplay, absolutely. I have a feeling that it's going to be more in the direction of Kingdom Hearts though. I don't know if it's a good or bad thing.

I haven't played those games unfortunately

Truthfully, I've gotten decently far on the original and got as far as making it to the boss of Alice In Wonderland. It's pretty much an action RPG, which is what FFXV is pretty much going to be thus far, unless they really get their act together and make us a FF worthy of playing since X.

To be honest I think comparing it with Kindgom Hearts fighting mechanics is unfair. KH is mostly mashing the attack button over and over again whilst you slap enemies will all the visual-kinetic flair of hitting them with a wet fish.

I don't blame people for the comparison though; most haven't had the chance to play Type-0; the game FFXV more closely resembles. Heck, I can swear that some of the animations in FFXV have been lifted directly from Type-0.

Anyone who has played Type-0 would be excited about the combat in XV. Sure the story/characters in that game are a mess, but the combat is brilliant. Each character has their own fighting style; one character is long range with a gun that fires bullets of different elements, another is a crack shot with a bow, making them perfect for critical hits, another yet fights using a range of ripostes' and counters.

FFXV is exciting because it was like they took several of the characters (and the depth of their fighting styles) and combined them into one complex unit.

If you are going to be worried about any one element in FFXV, the combat is the one I'd worry about least.

#27 Posted by The_Last_Ride (65898 posts) -

@Metamania said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Metamania said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Bigboi500 said:

As long as the gameplay is different, I wont mind.

I think it's going to be a lot of differences between this and XV

In terms of what we saw of gameplay, absolutely. I have a feeling that it's going to be more in the direction of Kingdom Hearts though. I don't know if it's a good or bad thing.

I haven't played those games unfortunately

Truthfully, I've gotten decently far on the original and got as far as making it to the boss of Alice In Wonderland. It's pretty much an action RPG, which is what FFXV is pretty much going to be thus far, unless they really get their act together and make us a FF worthy of playing since X.

To be honest I think comparing it with Kindgom Hearts fighting mechanics is unfair. KH is mostly mashing the attack button over and over again whilst you slap enemies will all the visual-kinetic flair of hitting them with a wet fish.

I don't blame people for the comparison though; most haven't had the chance to play Type-0; the game FFXV more closely resembles. Heck, I can swear that some of the animations in FFXV have been lifted directly from Type-0.

Anyone who has played Type-0 would be excited about the combat in XV. Sure the story/characters in that game are a mess, but the combat is brilliant. Each character has their own fighting style; one character is long range with a gun that fires bullets of different elements, another is a crack shot with a bow, making them perfect for critical hits, another yet fights using a range of ripostes' and counters.

FFXV is exciting because it was like they took several of the characters (and the depth of their fighting styles) and combined them into one complex unit.

If you are going to be worried about any one element in FFXV, the combat is the one I'd worry about least.

I haven't played the game,i really like the gameplay from the FF games, i am worried it's going to suck

#28 Posted by Metamania (11855 posts) -

@Articuno76 said:

@Metamania said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Metamania said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Bigboi500 said:

As long as the gameplay is different, I wont mind.

I think it's going to be a lot of differences between this and XV

In terms of what we saw of gameplay, absolutely. I have a feeling that it's going to be more in the direction of Kingdom Hearts though. I don't know if it's a good or bad thing.

I haven't played those games unfortunately

Truthfully, I've gotten decently far on the original and got as far as making it to the boss of Alice In Wonderland. It's pretty much an action RPG, which is what FFXV is pretty much going to be thus far, unless they really get their act together and make us a FF worthy of playing since X.

To be honest I think comparing it with Kindgom Hearts fighting mechanics is unfair. KH is mostly mashing the attack button over and over again whilst you slap enemies will all the visual-kinetic flair of hitting them with a wet fish.

I don't blame people for the comparison though; most haven't had the chance to play Type-0; the game FFXV more closely resembles. Heck, I can swear that some of the animations in FFXV have been lifted directly from Type-0.

Anyone who has played Type-0 would be excited about the combat in XV. Sure the story/characters in that game are a mess, but the combat is brilliant. Each character has their own fighting style; one character is long range with a gun that fires bullets of different elements, another is a crack shot with a bow, making them perfect for critical hits, another yet fights using a range of ripostes' and counters.

FFXV is exciting because it was like they took several of the characters (and the depth of their fighting styles) and combined them into one complex unit.

If you are going to be worried about any one element in FFXV, the combat is the one I'd worry about least.

I haven't played the game,i really like the gameplay from the FF games, i am worried it's going to suck

If you look rather close, some, if not most videogames, borrow previous animations and put them into new ones so that it saves less time on developing on the project. While that's necessary, sometimes it's not needed, because it doesn't make the game look as new as it should be.

That being said, Kingdom Hearts, last I checked, did have button mashing in it, but I don't think that was the best route to go for most battles in the game. I believe other tactics besides button mashing were the keys to winning.

#29 Edited by The_Last_Ride (65898 posts) -

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Articuno76 said:

@Metamania said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Metamania said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Bigboi500 said:

As long as the gameplay is different, I wont mind.

I think it's going to be a lot of differences between this and XV

In terms of what we saw of gameplay, absolutely. I have a feeling that it's going to be more in the direction of Kingdom Hearts though. I don't know if it's a good or bad thing.

I haven't played those games unfortunately

Truthfully, I've gotten decently far on the original and got as far as making it to the boss of Alice In Wonderland. It's pretty much an action RPG, which is what FFXV is pretty much going to be thus far, unless they really get their act together and make us a FF worthy of playing since X.

To be honest I think comparing it with Kindgom Hearts fighting mechanics is unfair. KH is mostly mashing the attack button over and over again whilst you slap enemies will all the visual-kinetic flair of hitting them with a wet fish.

I don't blame people for the comparison though; most haven't had the chance to play Type-0; the game FFXV more closely resembles. Heck, I can swear that some of the animations in FFXV have been lifted directly from Type-0.

Anyone who has played Type-0 would be excited about the combat in XV. Sure the story/characters in that game are a mess, but the combat is brilliant. Each character has their own fighting style; one character is long range with a gun that fires bullets of different elements, another is a crack shot with a bow, making them perfect for critical hits, another yet fights using a range of ripostes' and counters.

FFXV is exciting because it was like they took several of the characters (and the depth of their fighting styles) and combined them into one complex unit.

If you are going to be worried about any one element in FFXV, the combat is the one I'd worry about least.

I haven't played the game,i really like the gameplay from the FF games, i am worried it's going to suck

If you look rather close, some, if not most videogames, borrow previous animations and put them into new ones so that it saves less time on developing on the project. While that's necessary, sometimes it's not needed, because it doesn't make the game look as new as it should be.

That being said, Kingdom Hearts, last I checked, did have button mashing in it, but I don't think that was the best route to go for most battles in the game. I believe other tactics besides button mashing were the keys to winning.

I want the regular FF gameplay if i am being honest. The combat has never been the issue

#30 Posted by insanegame377 (332 posts) -

Please just kill FFXIII already. Ultimately I won't mind as long as the game is great, but good lord SE, just stop with FFXIII already.

I agree, FF13 has been forced down our throats for long enough now. Don't know why they cant just move on from it. All the other FF games have totally separate stories, so why cant this one? Its called FF15 now, so most fans would be expecting (and possibly hoping for) a totally new world and storyline.