Final Fantasy X-X2 remastered - Only for young gamers?

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#1 Edited by mgools (905 posts) -

I am an older gamer looking for a good RPG on the Vita. Was looking at Final Fantasy X-X2 HD remastered, but am concerned it might only be fun for younger gamers. Are there any older gamers who have played this game and enjoyed it?

I have never played any JRPG games as I have gotten caught up in The Witcher 2, Fallout 3, Mass Effect, etc.

Any responses form older gamers would be greatly appreciated (over 30ish). Thanks

#2 Posted by MonsieurX (30470 posts) -

I don't get why it would be only fun for younger gamers,doesn't make sense.

#3 Posted by mgools (905 posts) -

@MonsieurX said:

I don't get why it would be only fun for younger gamers,doesn't make sense.

Many games are geared toward certain age groups. Example...many love the game Scribblenots (sp?), but for an older gamer it would be a beating to play. It just isn't made with us in mind.

#4 Posted by yokofox33 (29910 posts) -

Just because it's a JRPG doesn't mean it's for the younger crowd. The themes, story, and characters are actually fairly "mature." You're dealing with death, complicated storylines at times, and scantily clad women in X-2. Doesn't sound very young to me.

#5 Posted by syztem (7703 posts) -

I'm sure younger gamers get a lot out of the science vs. religion conflict of Final Fantasy X HD.

#6 Edited by mastermetal777 (1717 posts) -

Most Final Fantasy games seem like they're for children, but they all have very dark storylines and deep themes contained within. Any JRPG is worth your time, I think. Don't let their bright colors and younger protagonists fool you. Maturity runs all across the genre. The only thing that might be off-putting might be some cultural disconnect and mistranslations, but that's about it. Final Fantasy X is just one of the more blatant examples of the genre, and it is very much for adults as it is for children.

#7 Posted by psp_mtness (814 posts) -

im 39 and have loved playing ffx hd on my vita, its a excellent game very in depth story development with some great characters, i am a bit of a final fantasy fanboy from yester-year, but its well worth the money, the game plays and runs fantastically on the vita and i have enjoyed every one of the 50+ hours i have put into ffx so far......good luck with your decision.

#8 Edited by Black_Knight_00 (18523 posts) -

Watch this video and if it doesn't make you want to slam your face into a wall, then you are clear to play the game:

#9 Posted by Jag85 (4626 posts) -

"Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."

― C.S. Lewis

#10 Edited by jsmoke03 (12930 posts) -

final fantasy x is a great game imo....nothing kiddy about it but it is turn based.

if you dont like turn based games, then you might not like the game

you might be thrown off by ffx-2 because it has some j pop influence in the battle system.

#11 Posted by Archangel3371 (15746 posts) -

Final Fantasy X and X-2 are fine games for the older player. I'm 43 and I just played the remastered version on the PS3, enjoyed it quite a bit.

#12 Posted by mgools (905 posts) -

@Black_Knight_00:

@Black_Knight_00 said:

Watch this video and if it doesn't make you want to slam your face into a wall, then you are clear to play the game:

I wanted to slam my face into the wall. That was irritating. Does these mean I wont like the game? If a dude who looks kind of like a girl and has that kind of irritating laugh then I am not sure I want to get it. Thing is....I can even get out of the store at $6 and still having a hard time (on sale, and have a coupon for $ off). I am just in the mood for an RPG and the PS4 and Vita have slim pickings.

I can also get back into The Witcher 2 on my PC. It is kind of linear but pretty good.

#13 Edited by mastermetal777 (1717 posts) -

@mgools: believe me, there's so much more to the game than that...scene, which is almost always taken out of context. Doesn't make it less grating, but that's not his normal laugh. Trust me, that's the worst part of the whole thing. Everything else is solid, give or take some questionable voice acting (it was made in 2001 after all)

#14 Posted by Grieverr (2739 posts) -

Having never played a JRPG, this is a good one to get started. It's not overly complicated and you'll get all the tropes of a traditional JRPG. Some things can be considered childish in a way (like some of the characterizations), others take a lot of understanding (like what the heck is really going on with you, the world you're in, and your place in it).

For $6, you can't go wrong. You can always sell it for $10 if you don't like it.

#15 Posted by GreySeal9 (24500 posts) -

@mastermetal777 said:

@mgools: believe me, there's so much more to the game than that...scene, which is almost always taken out of context. Doesn't make it less grating, but that's not his normal laugh. Trust me, that's the worst part of the whole thing. Everything else is solid, give or take some questionable voice acting (it was made in 2001 after all)

^Listen to this guy.

There's no guarantee that you'll like the game, but that laughing scene is definitely not typical of the game in general.

Also, for the life of me I don't see why it bothers some people so much that Tidus looks somewhat feminine. News flash: not all men look manly.

#16 Posted by Randolph (10542 posts) -

It's a solid starter JRPG.

#17 Posted by mgools (905 posts) -

Thanks for all of your responses, but Gamestop made up my mind for me. They dropped the price of the used version of the game, and I was all excited. Basically would get the game for free with my coupon. But to my surprise....they were more expensive in the store!!. Many stores did this in the past, but most have changed this (Ex. Best Buy). Now an okay price instead of a great price for 2 games. So I begged with them to work with me on the price of the game, but to no avail. I told him I might still take it, and then he informed me that the used version only has FFX and no FFX-2. So basically $5 less than new, and you get robbed of the 2nd game. I went over their website again and I am sure somewhere it says they do not match price their online store, but no where did I see that this game would only come with half the contents. So I looked it up, and it says the used version comes with both. I pointed this out to him at the store, and he said that was for online used copies only.

I am officially done with Gamestop. BTW...In the process I lost my coupon :(

I have $65 on my rewards card and a game paid in full that I hope they will refund my money on. Will be calling them in the morning to check.

So....No Final Fantasy for me.

Thanks again for everyones feedback.

#18 Posted by foxhound_fox (88752 posts) -

The only games for "young" gamers are those designed to teach children math and spelling.

#19 Edited by Byshop (11662 posts) -

@mgools said:

Thanks for all of your responses, but Gamestop made up my mind for me. They dropped the price of the used version of the game, and I was all excited. Basically would get the game for free with my coupon. But to my surprise....they were more expensive in the store!!. Many stores did this in the past, but most have changed this (Ex. Best Buy). Now an okay price instead of a great price for 2 games. So I begged with them to work with me on the price of the game, but to no avail. I told him I might still take it, and then he informed me that the used version only has FFX and no FFX-2. So basically $5 less than new, and you get robbed of the 2nd game. I went over their website again and I am sure somewhere it says they do not match price their online store, but no where did I see that this game would only come with half the contents. So I looked it up, and it says the used version comes with both. I pointed this out to him at the store, and he said that was for online used copies only.

I am officially done with Gamestop. BTW...In the process I lost my coupon :(

I have $65 on my rewards card and a game paid in full that I hope they will refund my money on. Will be calling them in the morning to check.

So....No Final Fantasy for me.

Thanks again for everyones feedback.

I'm sorry to hear that. I played the game new when it came out (I was 25) and I loved it. It was among one of my favorite games. JRPGs are their own flavor of game so I'd say it's more about whether or not you like that kind of game than if it's targeted at your age group. Turn based combat, random battles, no character creation options because the characters you get are already written into the story, and a long, emotionally resonant (but somewhat obtuse) story are all tropes of the genre. The only elements that might turn off a gamer based solely on age would be relatability of the characters since they are all "young adult" to early 20s in age, so expect some emotional volatility and some whininess.

My girlfriend at the time used to watch me play this game and while she's not into video games that much, she really got into the story on this one. Unfortunately, over the months or so that I was playing this game (it's a good 80 hours if you really explore and do all the side stuff) we ended up breaking up. I felt bad about this, so when I beat it I recorded the ending on VHS with to give to her so she would still be able to find out what happened in the story. We ended up getting back together (married four years now with two kids) so in the end it wasn't necessary, but she was interested in how it ended and she appreciated the gesture.

But, yeah. That "laughing" scene was probably the most akward scene in the game but it's not indicative of the rest of the narrative. So if you can get over "Tidus Androgynous" (get it?) being a bit of a whiny ass with daddy issues then the story is really worthwhile.

-Byshop

#20 Posted by Jag85 (4626 posts) -

@mgools said:

@Black_Knight_00:

@Black_Knight_00 said:

Watch this video and if it doesn't make you want to slam your face into a wall, then you are clear to play the game:

I wanted to slam my face into the wall. That was irritating. Does these mean I wont like the game? If a dude who looks kind of like a girl and has that kind of irritating laugh then I am not sure I want to get it. Thing is....I can even get out of the store at $6 and still having a hard time (on sale, and have a coupon for $ off). I am just in the mood for an RPG and the PS4 and Vita have slim pickings.

I can also get back into The Witcher 2 on my PC. It is kind of linear but pretty good.

Like others have said, the scene is taken out of context. Tidus is doing an intentionally fake laugh. It's supposed to be stupid and cringe-worthy, because that's the whole point to the scene. But other than that, most of the game has a serious, mature story. In Japanese games, it's not uncommon for serious mature stories to inject moments of cheesy humour into the game (just look at MGS, for example), in contrast to Western games which tend to take themselves way too seriously. Just because games like FF and MGS have moments of cheesy humour, that doesn't suddenly cancel out the serious themes and mature storytelling. Also, worrying about how the protagonist looks "like a girl" is just silly and insecure.

#21 Posted by dotWithShoes (4859 posts) -

@mgools said:

Thanks for all of your responses, but Gamestop made up my mind for me. They dropped the price of the used version of the game, and I was all excited. Basically would get the game for free with my coupon. But to my surprise....they were more expensive in the store!!. Many stores did this in the past, but most have changed this (Ex. Best Buy). Now an okay price instead of a great price for 2 games. So I begged with them to work with me on the price of the game, but to no avail. I told him I might still take it, and then he informed me that the used version only has FFX and no FFX-2. So basically $5 less than new, and you get robbed of the 2nd game. I went over their website again and I am sure somewhere it says they do not match price their online store, but no where did I see that this game would only come with half the contents. So I looked it up, and it says the used version comes with both. I pointed this out to him at the store, and he said that was for online used copies only.

I am officially done with Gamestop. BTW...In the process I lost my coupon :(

I have $65 on my rewards card and a game paid in full that I hope they will refund my money on. Will be calling them in the morning to check.

So....No Final Fantasy for me.

Thanks again for everyones feedback.

I've got to touch on this, as I ear people are going to take your word on it. No where on the GameStop website does it state that X2 comes with the preowned version. With that being said, it actually states "Used Version Only Includes Final Fantasy X HD. Final Fantasy X-2 HD is a digital download and will not be included." So yeah, I can make stuff up too.. but mine is backed up with facts. Anyways, FFX-X2 is supposed to be really, not my cup of tea.

#22 Posted by Byshop (11662 posts) -
@dotWithShoes said:

I've got to touch on this, as I ear people are going to take your word on it. No where on the GameStop website does it state that X2 comes with the preowned version. With that being said, it actually states "Used Version Only Includes Final Fantasy X HD. Final Fantasy X-2 HD is a digital download and will not be included." So yeah, I can make stuff up too.. but mine is backed up with facts. Anyways, FFX-X2 is supposed to be really, not my cup of tea.

That makes sense, then. Digital downloads are one-time use and are never available with used game sales. Even if the original owner claimed the code was unused, there's no way to verify this without actually trying to redeem the code.

That said, not getting X2 isn't really that big a loss IMHO. It had a very "girl power" JPop feel to it compared to the far more tragic and somber tones of the original and it didn't really add anything to the story. It wasn't bad, but if it had just ended at X I would have been fine with that.

-Byshop

#23 Edited by Allicrombie (25237 posts) -

@mgools said:

I am an older gamer looking for a good RPG on the Vita. Was looking at Final Fantasy X-X2 HD remastered, but am concerned it might only be fun for younger gamers. Are there any older gamers who have played this game and enjoyed it?

I have never played any JRPG games as I have gotten caught up in The Witcher 2, Fallout 3, Mass Effect, etc.

Any responses form older gamers would be greatly appreciated (over 30ish). Thanks

#24 Posted by Byshop (11662 posts) -

@Allicrombie said:

@mgools said:

I am an older gamer looking for a good RPG on the Vita. Was looking at Final Fantasy X-X2 HD remastered, but am concerned it might only be fun for younger gamers. Are there any older gamers who have played this game and enjoyed it?

I have never played any JRPG games as I have gotten caught up in The Witcher 2, Fallout 3, Mass Effect, etc.

Any responses form older gamers would be greatly appreciated (over 30ish). Thanks

I just said I was 25 when I FFX came out. Where's my trophy!

-Byshop

#25 Posted by Black_Knight_00 (18523 posts) -

@Jag85 said:

Like others have said, the scene is taken out of context. Tidus is doing an intentionally fake laugh. It's supposed to be stupid and cringe-worthy, because that's the whole point to the scene. But other than that, most of the game has a serious, mature story. In Japanese games, it's not uncommon for serious mature stories to inject moments of cheesy humour into the game (just look at MGS, for example), in contrast to Western games which tend to take themselves way too seriously. Just because games like FF and MGS have moments of cheesy humour, that doesn't suddenly cancel out the serious themes and mature storytelling. Also, worrying about how the protagonist looks "like a girl" is just silly and insecure.

Tidus is cringeworthy the entire game. "This is my story! I'm the star player of the Zanarkand Abes!" and he never shuts up.

#27 Posted by mgools (905 posts) -

Other Gamestop had the same price as the web, so was able to get it with my coupon out the door for about $4. So now have it, and have played until the first save point. Okay first impression.

#28 Posted by voljin1987 (735 posts) -

@Black_Knight_00 said:

@Jag85 said:

Like others have said, the scene is taken out of context. Tidus is doing an intentionally fake laugh. It's supposed to be stupid and cringe-worthy, because that's the whole point to the scene. But other than that, most of the game has a serious, mature story. In Japanese games, it's not uncommon for serious mature stories to inject moments of cheesy humour into the game (just look at MGS, for example), in contrast to Western games which tend to take themselves way too seriously. Just because games like FF and MGS have moments of cheesy humour, that doesn't suddenly cancel out the serious themes and mature storytelling. Also, worrying about how the protagonist looks "like a girl" is just silly and insecure.

Tidus is cringeworthy the entire game. "This is my story! I'm the star player of the Zanarkand Abes!" and he never shuts up.

pretty much this.. it boggles my mind that ppl have a problem with vaan from ff12 but lurve this lunatic

#29 Edited by mastermetal777 (1717 posts) -

@voljin1987: Tidus is a decent character. I agree he whines a lot, but I'd rather have a more expressive character than a shallow stuffy and boring one like Squal or Cloud.

#30 Posted by Archangel3371 (15746 posts) -

I thought Tidus was a pretty good character myself, never had any real issues with him.

#31 Posted by Jag85 (4626 posts) -

@Black_Knight_00 said:

@Jag85 said:

Like others have said, the scene is taken out of context. Tidus is doing an intentionally fake laugh. It's supposed to be stupid and cringe-worthy, because that's the whole point to the scene. But other than that, most of the game has a serious, mature story. In Japanese games, it's not uncommon for serious mature stories to inject moments of cheesy humour into the game (just look at MGS, for example), in contrast to Western games which tend to take themselves way too seriously. Just because games like FF and MGS have moments of cheesy humour, that doesn't suddenly cancel out the serious themes and mature storytelling. Also, worrying about how the protagonist looks "like a girl" is just silly and insecure.

Tidus is cringeworthy the entire game. "This is my story! I'm the star player of the Zanarkand Abes!" and he never shuts up.

What's the harm in a little self-indulgent arrogance once in a while? Sure Tidus isn't a particularly likeable character, but I'd much rather prefer an unlikeable, annoying, flawed character, over the generic "badass" characters that gamers today seem to love and adore.

#32 Posted by GreySeal9 (24500 posts) -

@Jag85 said:

@Black_Knight_00 said:

@Jag85 said:

Like others have said, the scene is taken out of context. Tidus is doing an intentionally fake laugh. It's supposed to be stupid and cringe-worthy, because that's the whole point to the scene. But other than that, most of the game has a serious, mature story. In Japanese games, it's not uncommon for serious mature stories to inject moments of cheesy humour into the game (just look at MGS, for example), in contrast to Western games which tend to take themselves way too seriously. Just because games like FF and MGS have moments of cheesy humour, that doesn't suddenly cancel out the serious themes and mature storytelling. Also, worrying about how the protagonist looks "like a girl" is just silly and insecure.

Tidus is cringeworthy the entire game. "This is my story! I'm the star player of the Zanarkand Abes!" and he never shuts up.

What's the harm in a little self-indulgent arrogance once in a while? Sure Tidus isn't a particularly likeable character, but I'd much rather prefer an unlikeable, annoying, flawed character, over the generic "badass" characters that gamers today seem to love and adore.

Agreed.

I don't know where the gaming community got the idea that characters have to be likeable. People aren't always likeable in real life, so there's no reason they should always be likeable in games regardless of if they are the main protagonist or not.

#33 Edited by voljin1987 (735 posts) -

@mastermetal777 said:

@voljin1987: Tidus is a decent character. I agree he whines a lot, but I'd rather have a more expressive character than a shallow stuffy and boring one like Squal or Cloud.

haha true that.. dont even get me started on squall

#34 Edited by turtlethetaffer (16793 posts) -

Watching a friend play it, FFX seems to be too tough for a younger kid (at least one without any experience in JRPGs). Some of the boss fights later on looked absolutely brutal.

#35 Posted by final_lap (327 posts) -

Final Fantasy X and X-2 remastered have randomly triggered encounters, meaning they are exclusively for fanboys who played the originals and want to relive the experience.

#36 Posted by Black_Knight_00 (18523 posts) -

@GreySeal9 said:

Agreed.

I don't know where the gaming community got the idea that characters have to be likeable. People aren't always likeable in real life, so there's no reason they should always be likeable in games regardless of if they are the main protagonist or not.

Here's the idea folks: it's one thing to not really like the guy who works at the desk next to you at the office cause he sometimes cracks a bad joke. It's another thing if that guys farts every 5 minutes. That's when someone crosses the line between "Yeah, I don't really like this guy" and "I wish he fell off a skyscraper"

Tidus doesn't give you time to recover from his grating antics: as soon as he's done doing something stupid or yelling something in his annoying voice, he's up to comething else and you just want to toss him into molten magma.

#37 Posted by Jag85 (4626 posts) -

@Black_Knight_00 said:

@GreySeal9 said:

Agreed.

I don't know where the gaming community got the idea that characters have to be likeable. People aren't always likeable in real life, so there's no reason they should always be likeable in games regardless of if they are the main protagonist or not.

Here's the idea folks: it's one thing to not really like the guy who works at the desk next to you at the office cause he sometimes cracks a bad joke. It's another thing if that guys farts every 5 minutes. That's when someone crosses the line between "Yeah, I don't really like this guy" and "I wish he fell off a skyscraper"

Tidus doesn't give you time to recover from his grating antics: as soon as he's done doing something stupid or yelling something in his annoying voice, he's up to comething else and you just want to toss him into molten magma.

The problem with your analogy is that Tidus isn't the guy who farts every 5 minutes... He's the guy who cracks a bad joke every once in a while.

#38 Posted by GreySeal9 (24500 posts) -

@Black_Knight_00 said:

@GreySeal9 said:

Agreed.

I don't know where the gaming community got the idea that characters have to be likeable. People aren't always likeable in real life, so there's no reason they should always be likeable in games regardless of if they are the main protagonist or not.

Here's the idea folks: it's one thing to not really like the guy who works at the desk next to you at the office cause he sometimes cracks a bad joke. It's another thing if that guys farts every 5 minutes. That's when someone crosses the line between "Yeah, I don't really like this guy" and "I wish he fell off a skyscraper"

Tidus doesn't give you time to recover from his grating antics: as soon as he's done doing something stupid or yelling something in his annoying voice, he's up to comething else and you just want to toss him into molten magma.

Disliking someone because they sometimes crack bad jokes is downright insane IMO, but my point is that there's not necessarily anything wrong with an intensely unlikeable protagonist if it serves the aims of the story. I think the idea that likability is somehow connecting to quality characterization is flawed. And while you in particular may not be arguing that, so many people have that idea in their heads.

#39 Edited by mgools (905 posts) -

@dotWithShoes said:

@mgools said:

Thanks for all of your responses, but Gamestop made up my mind for me. They dropped the price of the used version of the game, and I was all excited. Basically would get the game for free with my coupon. But to my surprise....they were more expensive in the store!!. Many stores did this in the past, but most have changed this (Ex. Best Buy). Now an okay price instead of a great price for 2 games. So I begged with them to work with me on the price of the game, but to no avail. I told him I might still take it, and then he informed me that the used version only has FFX and no FFX-2. So basically $5 less than new, and you get robbed of the 2nd game. I went over their website again and I am sure somewhere it says they do not match price their online store, but no where did I see that this game would only come with half the contents. So I looked it up, and it says the used version comes with both. I pointed this out to him at the store, and he said that was for online used copies only.

I am officially done with Gamestop. BTW...In the process I lost my coupon :(

I have $65 on my rewards card and a game paid in full that I hope they will refund my money on. Will be calling them in the morning to check.

So....No Final Fantasy for me.

Thanks again for everyones feedback.

I've got to touch on this, as I ear people are going to take your word on it. No where on the GameStop website does it state that X2 comes with the preowned version. With that being said, it actually states "Used Version Only Includes Final Fantasy X HD. Final Fantasy X-2 HD is a digital download and will not be included." So yeah, I can make stuff up too.. but mine is backed up with facts. Anyways, FFX-X2 is supposed to be really, not my cup of tea.

You are correct. It does now say X-2 is not included, and all I have to say to that Is... you are welcome.

#40 Edited by dotWithShoes (4859 posts) -

@mgools said:

@dotWithShoes said:

@mgools said:

Thanks for all of your responses, but Gamestop made up my mind for me. They dropped the price of the used version of the game, and I was all excited. Basically would get the game for free with my coupon. But to my surprise....they were more expensive in the store!!. Many stores did this in the past, but most have changed this (Ex. Best Buy). Now an okay price instead of a great price for 2 games. So I begged with them to work with me on the price of the game, but to no avail. I told him I might still take it, and then he informed me that the used version only has FFX and no FFX-2. So basically $5 less than new, and you get robbed of the 2nd game. I went over their website again and I am sure somewhere it says they do not match price their online store, but no where did I see that this game would only come with half the contents. So I looked it up, and it says the used version comes with both. I pointed this out to him at the store, and he said that was for online used copies only.

I am officially done with Gamestop. BTW...In the process I lost my coupon :(

I have $65 on my rewards card and a game paid in full that I hope they will refund my money on. Will be calling them in the morning to check.

So....No Final Fantasy for me.

Thanks again for everyones feedback.

I've got to touch on this, as I ear people are going to take your word on it. No where on the GameStop website does it state that X2 comes with the preowned version. With that being said, it actually states "Used Version Only Includes Final Fantasy X HD. Final Fantasy X-2 HD is a digital download and will not be included." So yeah, I can make stuff up too.. but mine is backed up with facts. Anyways, FFX-X2 is supposed to be really, not my cup of tea.

You are correct. It does now say X-2 is not included, and all I have to say to that Is... you are welcome.

It's always said that.

#41 Posted by mgools (905 posts) -

So far the game has been okay.

Likes so far: Graphics, Controls, turn based fights. Game play explanations.

Dislikes so far: Geared toward younger audiences. Main guy looks like a girl, sounds like a girl, and no matter what he says sounds like whining. So far the game is linear...very linear. To the point of being a standard action game or FPS. Very little to no freedom yet. Hope this changes and things open up some.

Neutral: Story. Still early and the story has me pulled in, but so far every thing seems to be geared around Bitz Ball so far. Story has promise, but also looks like it can take a dive. Also save points are close enough so far, but with a portable system I really do like the save anywhere thing since one of the points of a portable is to play for a short car ride,etc.

#42 Posted by RyviusARC (4616 posts) -

As I get older I have a harder time with suspension of disbelief.

I gain more knowledge and raise my standards for what I consider to be of good quality.

I remember playing FFX when it first came out and as a teen I enjoyed the gameplay and story, but when I went back to replay it a couple of years ago my impression of the game was a lot different.

The voice acting seemed a whole lot worse, the script was poorly done and the characters seemed too unrealistic for me to connect with.

I used to love JRPGs but I rarely touch them anymore because of how unrealistic the premise of just about every game is with teenagers being able to save the world.

It reminds me of a book I read where one of the characters was a female in her late teens who only had a few months of training with a sword and bow yet was easily able to take on multiple elite hardened guards who had decades of war experience.

Most kids would not be critical of such stuff and think it was "awesome!" but I just cringe when I see stuff like that in a story driven game that is trying to take itself seriously.

Some games I can ignore for being ridiculous if they are not trying to be serious about it at all but those games are few.

#43 Posted by Skr3t (12 posts) -

@mgools said:

So far the game has been okay.

Likes so far: Graphics, Controls, turn based fights. Game play explanations.

Dislikes so far: Geared toward younger audiences. Main guy looks like a girl, sounds like a girl, and no matter what he says sounds like whining. So far the game is linear...very linear. To the point of being a standard action game or FPS. Very little to no freedom yet. Hope this changes and things open up some.

Neutral: Story. Still early and the story has me pulled in, but so far every thing seems to be geared around Bitz Ball so far. Story has promise, but also looks like it can take a dive. Also save points are close enough so far, but with a portable system I really do like the save anywhere thing since one of the points of a portable is to play for a short car ride,etc.

I still don't understand what you mean by it's geared towards a "younger audience" so I got nothing for that. It is one of the more linear Final Fantasy games, especially because there isn't the traditional overworld map and when you do get an airship you can't actually fly it and instead you choose your destination from a list. So that's not really indicative of series as a whole as most of the other games are much more open.

And I really liked the story. It's weird as hell but it is an RPG so that's par for the course.

Biggest thing I can say is it has what I think to be the best battle system of any final fantasy game and while some characters are better overall than others you can actually use the entire cast for different situations if you want to which is a welcome change from having a bunch of throwaway characters.

#44 Posted by The_Last_Ride (72446 posts) -

@mgools: uhm no. I played this game 10 years ago, and i played it 10 years after. This was my favorite game from the PS2 era, IT's timeless

#45 Edited by BranKetra (48779 posts) -

@Jag85 said:

"Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."

― C.S. Lewis

+1

@final_lap said:

Final Fantasy X and X-2 remastered have randomly triggered encounters, meaning they are exclusively for fanboys who played the originals and want to relive the experience.

You seem to be implying Final Fantasy XIII is better than previous Final Fantasies.

#46 Posted by mgools (905 posts) -

@skr3t said:

@mgools said:

So far the game has been okay.

Likes so far: Graphics, Controls, turn based fights. Game play explanations.

Dislikes so far: Geared toward younger audiences. Main guy looks like a girl, sounds like a girl, and no matter what he says sounds like whining. So far the game is linear...very linear. To the point of being a standard action game or FPS. Very little to no freedom yet. Hope this changes and things open up some.

Neutral: Story. Still early and the story has me pulled in, but so far every thing seems to be geared around Bitz Ball so far. Story has promise, but also looks like it can take a dive. Also save points are close enough so far, but with a portable system I really do like the save anywhere thing since one of the points of a portable is to play for a short car ride,etc.

I still don't understand what you mean by it's geared towards a "younger audience" so I got nothing for that. It is one of the more linear Final Fantasy games, especially because there isn't the traditional overworld map and when you do get an airship you can't actually fly it and instead you choose your destination from a list. So that's not really indicative of series as a whole as most of the other games are much more open.

And I really liked the story. It's weird as hell but it is an RPG so that's par for the course.

Biggest thing I can say is it has what I think to be the best battle system of any final fantasy game and while some characters are better overall than others you can actually use the entire cast for different situations if you want to which is a welcome change from having a bunch of throwaway characters.

When games are made they have an certain audience in mind. It really isn't difficult to understand. Kind of like with a board game like shoots and ladders. It is a great game, but was made for kids, so plays more in a way a kid would enjoy. As we get older our interests and things we like change. Another example is cartoons. They are great, but at some point our enjoyment of them can change as we get older. We start enjoying things that are geared toward older audiences.

#47 Posted by final_lap (327 posts) -

@BranKetra said:

@Jag85 said:

"Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."

― C.S. Lewis

+1

@final_lap said:

Final Fantasy X and X-2 remastered have randomly triggered encounters, meaning they are exclusively for fanboys who played the originals and want to relive the experience.

You seem to be implying Final Fantasy XIII is better than previous Final Fantasies.

I haven't played FF13. But I'm saying there could be things FF13 is better at, this being one of them.

You would probably agree that FF13 has better graphics as well, even though this does not mean FF13 better.

#48 Posted by BranKetra (48779 posts) -

@final_lap said:

@BranKetra said:

@Jag85 said:

"Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."

― C.S. Lewis

+1

@final_lap said:

Final Fantasy X and X-2 remastered have randomly triggered encounters, meaning they are exclusively for fanboys who played the originals and want to relive the experience.

You seem to be implying Final Fantasy XIII is better than previous Final Fantasies.

I haven't played FF13. But I'm saying there could be things FF13 is better at, this being one of them.

You would probably agree that FF13 has better graphics as well, even though this does not mean FF13 better.

The preference for random or visible encounters is just that.

I will not say much about the difference in graphics because there is not much to say. A major trait of Final Fantasy games is that the newest main FF features the best graphics.

#49 Posted by Notorious1234NA (856 posts) -

@mgools said:

So far the game has been okay.

Likes so far: Graphics, Controls, turn based fights. Game play explanations.

Dislikes so far: Geared toward younger audiences. Main guy looks like a girl, sounds like a girl, and no matter what he says sounds like whining. So far the game is linear...very linear. To the point of being a standard action game or FPS. Very little to no freedom yet. Hope this changes and things open up some.

Neutral: Story. Still early and the story has me pulled in, but so far every thing seems to be geared around Bitz Ball so far. Story has promise, but also looks like it can take a dive. Also save points are close enough so far, but with a portable system I really do like the save anywhere thing since one of the points of a portable is to play for a short car ride,etc.

LOL welcome to JRPGs

Most JRPGs are well heavily influenced by anime. If you don't like anime don't play JRPGs and many btw are geared towards kids. Don't get it OK um in nutshell below is what anime is:

#50 Posted by LordQuorthon (5349 posts) -

Careful with all those kiddie primary colors, bro!