'Dead or Alive fans demanded larger breasts' says DoA5 director

http://www.gamesradar.com/dead-or-alive-director-fans-demanded-larger-breasts/

Tecmo and Team Ninja realized they crossed the line a little bit concerning the sexualization of female fighters in their Dead or Alive series. This is why they decided to reduce the amount of boobage in the upcoming DoA5, a trend already visible in the demo included with Ninja Gaiden 3... except fans revolted against the decision; game director Shimbori is quoted saying:

"We actually got a lot of feedback from people who were playing the demo, saying, 'We want bigger breasts. Make the characters more like that.' That was kind of surprising."

Reverse gears, Team Ninja and crank up the cleavage slider, becausethat's it, let's just stop pretending people play this series for the gameplay or the fighting technique: fans flat out screamed they are in for the boobs and they expect the sexiness level to increase with every iteration of the game.

Of course there will be some exceptions to this rule, but when a developer feels the need to make a U-turn based on player feedback it means an overwhelming majority of them agreed on the point.

lol so is this a fighting game or boobs game ? :lol:

Screw fighting each other, I just wanna stare at jiggle physics:x

When is DOA Xtreme 3 coming out?

This is part of the reason I can't take fighting games seriously.

This is part of the reason I can't take fighting games seriously.

Vari3ty

This is the reason I've never taken DoA seriously. A game like Mortal Kombat, sure, has the scantily clad women but it butchers them up into pieces rather than make them play volleyball.

This is part of the reason I can't take fighting games seriously.

Vari3ty

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

This is part of the reason I can't take fighting games seriously.

seanmcloughlin

This is the reason I've never taken DoA seriously. A game like Mortal Kombat, sure, has the scantily clad women but it butchers them up into pieces rather than make them play volleyball.

:shock: What are you into? I kid :P.

I gave up DOA after 3 (it was the closest thing to VF on non-Sega platforms back when Sega had platforms), but I'm pretty sure the volleyball thing is a seperate game from the main fighters.

I don't have a ton of respect for DOA as a series, but I while I don't doubt there are weirdos out there, I doubt they are a big chunk of the audience. Games which are based solely or heavily on sex appeal tend to sell poorly just because there are easier and cheaper ways for adolescents to see breasts than paying $60 for a game (hell, with the internet avoiding porn is the challenge whereas in my day we had to hunt for it!).

In DOA females are different flavors of gorgeous but that is no different than 99% of games.

I loved them all, might get 5 when it's cheap as too many games and not enough money, but mostly for me when 2 was released on the dream casts it was always about the ease but complexity of the fighting system and the interactive arenas that I enjoyed.

But yeah seeing as this has to please the Japanese there will always be that element doesn't really bother me apart from it detracts from what was once a great fighting series.

I very much enjoy Dead or Alive for the action it presents. But I won't lie, part of the allure of the series for me are the attractive females. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

About the breasts issue, eh, I can kind of see both sides of the issue. On one hand, the boobies aren't what make the game fun. Good on the developers for trying to tone it down. On the other, the fan complaints is somewhat understandable. Sexy ladies is sort of the gimmick for DOA, like fatalities for Mortal Kombat. MKvsDC was a good game, but it lacked MK's signature fatalities (opting for nerfed versions) and fans outraged. It'd probably be like if Street Fighter ditched it's Shoto characters, or if Tekken suddenly had gravity. >_>

are pixelated fun bags that big of a deal?

are pixelated fun bags that big of a deal?

yellosnolvr

That's pretty sad, really. A lot of pathetic, lonely people out there to care about something like this. I do not ever wish to meet a person who is so immature to buy a game based on the size of the women's breasts, or actually complain that they would need to be bigger. DoA is a good fighting game that only seems to get attention for it's ridiculous portrayal of women.

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

This is part of the reason I can't take fighting games seriously.

Black_Knight_00

Bingo. Their obsession is very bizarre...

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

This is part of the reason I can't take fighting games seriously.

Blueresident87

Bingo. Their obsession is very bizarre...

Yes, lets generalize a whole entire country based on what a few lonely, pathetic, shut ins who are scorned by the general population say about a video game that many non-fans don't even take seriously as a good fighting game. I mean its not like games made in Korea and the West don't make games with impossible and oversized breasts and tiny waists riiiiiight?

Anyway, in response to the topic, this is beyond pathetic and it isn't helping to convince non fans that this is actually a pretty decent game, and not some "halfway there to porn" video game that caters to immature little horny teenage gamers.

Anyway, in response to the topic, this is beyond pathetic and it isn't helping to convince non fans that this is actually a pretty decent game, and not some "halfway there to porn" video game that caters to immature little horny teenage gamers.Lucky_Krystal

Which is pretty much what DoA is: a mediocre fighting game which sells well on account of the sexual content.Black_Knight_00

Based on my time with DOA 5 I'd call it one of the better fighters of this generation, assuming the balance holds up.

Bigger boobs wouldn't hurt ;)

Scantily clad super models fighting each other is what Dead or Alive has been about since the 2nd one. Whether pathetic or not, that is part of the series' identity and fans of the series will want that to continue. I'm not offended by it, but wont be in a hurry to get the game. The last fighter I enjoyed was Sould Calibur 2.

[QUOTE="Lucky_Krystal"]Anyway, in response to the topic, this is beyond pathetic and it isn't helping to convince non fans that this is actually a pretty decent game, and not some "halfway there to porn" video game that caters to immature little horny teenage gamers.Black_Knight_00

pretty big words from someone who most likely hasnt played doa5. its easy to attack something like the sexual content of the game and dismiss it as having mediocre gameplay because of it. but the last doa i played was 2, and was feeling nolstalgic and im a huge fighting game fan so decided to pick up 5. its actually a great game, with tight and focused mechanics, great graphics, and dynamic stages. nothing mediocre about it in my educated opinion..

Yes, lets generalize a whole entire country based on what a few lonely, pathetic, shut ins who are scorned by the general population say...Lucky_Krystal

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="Lucky_Krystal"]Anyway, in response to the topic, this is beyond pathetic and it isn't helping to convince non fans that this is actually a pretty decent game, and not some "halfway there to porn" video game that caters to immature little horny teenage gamers.symx8789

pretty big words from someone who most likely hasnt played doa5. its easy to attack something like the sexual content of the game and dismiss it as having mediocre gameplay because of it. but the last doa i played was 2, and was feeling nolstalgic and im a huge fighting game fan so decided to pick up 5. its actually a great game, with tight and focused mechanics, great graphics, and dynamic stages. nothing mediocre about it in my educated opinion..

[QUOTE="Lucky_Krystal"]Yes, lets generalize a whole entire country based on what a few lonely, pathetic, shut ins who are scorned by the general population say...El_Zo1212o

I thought Lolita Complex came from the novel Lolita, which is related to quite a few countries by origin, none of them being Japan. Also, tentacle rape, from what I remember, gained popularity because it bypassed a loophole in pornography regulations. (Apparently penis penetration was a big no-no, but tentacle penetration didn't have any laws prohibiting it.)

I don't own a single DOA game, but I love the way they design the characters. There is no game out there where the women are that big and curvy all over. If they are making the boobs bigger then they should make their asses bigger too IMO.

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] [QUOTE="Lucky_Krystal"]Yes, lets generalize a whole entire country based on what a few lonely, pathetic, shut ins who are scorned by the general population say...DynamiteRoll

I thought Lolita Complex came from the novel Lolita, which is related to quite a few countries by origin, none of them being Japan. Also, tentacle rape, from what I remember, gained popularity because it bypassed a loophole in pornography regulations. (Apparently penis penetration was a big no-no, but tentacle penetration didn't have any laws prohibiting it.)

[QUOTE="Lucky_Krystal"]Yes, lets generalize a whole entire country based on what a few lonely, pathetic, shut ins who are scorned by the general population say...El_Zo1212o

Its fair to judge an entire country by the hardcore pornography it produces? Idiotic. I wonder what other kinds of genius conclusions we could draw about just about every country ever then...

Its fair to judge an entire country by the hardcore pornography it produces? Idiotic. I wonder what other kinds of genius conclusions we could draw about just about every country ever then...

Lucky_Krystal

The bigger mystery is why anyone would attempt to have a serious discussion about a game like this. The Japanese game market is dominated by adolescents who spend as much time reading manga (Japanese comics) as they do playing games, that's why you see so many games like this coming from Japan. They are created by young developers working for companies managed by middle-aged men with high school girl fantasies. There isn't much of intellectual or social significance to waste time on.

[QUOTE="Lucky_Krystal"]

Its fair to judge an entire country by the hardcore pornography it produces? Idiotic. I wonder what other kinds of genius conclusions we could draw about just about every country ever then...

capaho

The bigger mystery is why anyone would attempt to have a serious discussion about a game like this. The Japanese game market is dominated by adolescents who spend as much time reading manga (Japanese comics) as they do playing games, that's why you see so many games like this coming from Japan. They are created by young developers working for companies managed by middle-aged men with high school girl fantasies. There isn't much of intellectual or social significance to waste time on.

"Mongo no understand. Boobies bad now? Mongo like boobies. Mongo like games. Mongo like booies IN game. Mongo stay with sheriff Bart."

I dont care if DOA5 has shallow, casual friendly gameplay.. I bought this game for teh boobiez!!!!!!!

http://www.gamesradar.com/dead-or-alive-director-fans-demanded-larger-breasts/

Tecmo and Team Ninja realized they crossed the line a little bit concerning the sexualization of female fighters in their Dead or Alive series. This is why they decided to reduce the amount of boobage in the upcoming DoA5, a trend already visible in the demo included with Ninja Gaiden 3... except fans revolted against the decision; game director Shimbori is quoted saying:

"We actually got a lot of feedback from people who were playing the demo, saying, 'We want bigger breasts. Make the characters more like that.' That was kind of surprising."

Reverse gears, Team Ninja and crank up the cleavage slider, becausethat's it, let's just stop pretending people play this series for the gameplay or the fighting technique: fans flat out screamed they are in for the boobs and they expect the sexiness level to increase with every iteration of the game.

Of course there will be some exceptions to this rule, but when a developer feels the need to make a U-turn based on player feedback it means an overwhelming majority of them agreed on the point.

Black_Knight_00

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

This is part of the reason I can't take fighting games seriously.

seanmcloughlin

This is the reason I've never taken DoA seriously. A game like Mortal Kombat, sure, has the scantily clad women but it butchers them up into pieces rather than make them play volleyball.

I dont care if DOA5 has shallow, casual friendly gameplay.. I bought this game for teh boobiez!!!!!!!

SonySoldier-_-

There's nothing casual about the gameplay in DOA5.

Breasts or no, it's a serious fighter as it relates to technique.

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I dont care if DOA5 has shallow, casual friendly gameplay.. I bought this game for teh boobiez!!!!!!!

Grammaton-Cleric

There's nothing casual about the gameplay in DOA5.

Breasts or no, it's a serious fighter as it relates to technique.

It's like the first Tomb Raider game. It was actually a fun game, but how freaking hard is it to show the cashier to an actual human being without them thinking that you're just some sad man-child who's only buying the movie for some bad polygonal cartoon boobs? MrGeezer

I seriously doubt that fans of the series are going to stop buying future installments just because boobs are getting downplayed.MrGeezer

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]I seriously doubt that fans of the series are going to stop buying future installments just because boobs are getting downplayed.Black_Knight_00

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]I seriously doubt that fans of the series are going to stop buying future installments just because boobs are getting downplayed.Black_Knight_00

I wouldn't doubt it. No one can deny that Dead or Alive is made to cater to a certain type of individual that loves to stare at sexy video game women all day more than they would want to play a good fighting game. And of course I'm not saying ALL DOA fans are horny pathetic losers who get off on sexy video game women. They aren't. But its clear who DOA is marketed at, GLARINGLY obvious when you factor in the volleyball games too.

Therefore, though it is pathetic, it shouldn't be surprising that the fans are asking for bigger boobs. The game is targeted at people who like this sort of stuff. It really didn't make a lot of sense to me that they decided to tone down the sexuality after making that the focus of DoA for SEVERAL games and also building themselves on a fanbase that likes this sort of stuff. As soon you heard "We're toning down the sexuality" you should almost expect the answer to be "NAW GIMME BIGGER BOOBS!!"

Tells you alot about the people who play Dead Or Alive. Chronic Masturbating nerds.

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[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

This is part of the reason I can't take fighting games seriously.

MrGeezer

This is the reason I've never taken DoA seriously. A game like Mortal Kombat, sure, has the scantily clad women but it butchers them up into pieces rather than make them play volleyball.

Why do you care so much about shame when buying a videogame that is sexualized, but not other forms of (sometimes even more explicit) media? What if you genuinely find the DoA and Beach volleyball games fun to play? Should you still feel ashamed for enjoying them?

I really think your out of line judging people on such purchases. You have no idea what that person is like, why assume that they have some kind of mental disorder where they find pixelated characters "attractive" but not real life human beings? If I find a game is fun/original/appealing, I'm going to buy it. Doesn't matter if the person behind the counter thinks I'm a lonley virgin buying a game like DoA or a hopeless nerd buying Skyrim. At the end of the day I'm still a much more accomplished person than the deadbeat working at Walmart.