best FPS before the arrival of Halo CE?

i say......Golden eye. what say you?

I would go with Perfect Dark, but games like Mist and 9 are good FPS games that predate Halo.

As far as console FPS's go, I'd like to nominate "Medal of Honor" and "Medal of Honor : Underground" on the PSone. Loved those games!

Unreal 1, and Thief 2.

And they will still be better when Halo remix arrives too. Because boys and girls, Halo 1 is the most overrated underperforming FPS in the history of games. Duke Nukem Forever delivered more to match the hype than Halo did.

You guessed correctly, i'm not a fan. :D

And don't even get me started on the horrifc mess that was Halo 2. ;)

Unreal 1, and Thief 2.

And they will still be better when Halo remix arrives too. Because boys and girls, Halo 1 is the most overrated underperforming FPS in the history of games. Duke Nukem Forever delivered more to match the hype than Halo did.

You guessed correctly, i'm not a fan. :D

And don't even get me started on the horrifc mess that was Halo 2. ;)

BarbaricAvatar

It's easy to say this, but it's mostly a hollow statement.

Love or hate it, it changed the course of video games, not just FPS games, forever.

It's funny how it seems that people think that fps's sucked before Halo and that it was delivered on high from the gods of gaming and delivered us from mediocrity or something. Halo was an alright game but it really shouldn't be considered the epitome of the genre. There are much better fps's that came before and after it. Anyway in answer to the original question I'd say Half Life.

It's funny how it seems that people think that fps's sucked before Halo and that it was delivered on high from the gods of gaming and delivered us from mediocrity or something. Halo was an alright game but it really shouldn't be considered the epitome of the genre. There are much better fps's that came before and after it. Anyway in answer to the original question I'd say Half Life.

thecrypticodor

Consoles: Perfect Dark, GoldenEye

PC: No One Lives Forever, Half-Life, Operation Flashpoint (if you want to count that for FPS; it's more a tactical shooter/mil sim than FPS)

Overrated crappy FPS with some good ideas: Red Faction

[QUOTE="thecrypticodor"]

It's funny how it seems that people think that fps's sucked before Halo and that it was delivered on high from the gods of gaming and delivered us from mediocrity or something. Halo was an alright game but it really shouldn't be considered the epitome of the genre. There are much better fps's that came before and after it. Anyway in answer to the original question I'd say Half Life.

VALikimlav

In all honesty I prefer the Medkit style. Being low on health and knowing that it wasn't magically gonna be given back to you almost immediately added suspense and tension. Regenerating health removes any real consequence for not playing well.

Unreal 1, and Thief 2.

And they will still be better when Halo remix arrives too. Because boys and girls, Halo 1 is the most overrated underperforming FPS in the history of games. Duke Nukem Forever delivered more to match the hype than Halo did.

You guessed correctly, i'm not a fan. :D

And don't even get me started on the horrifc mess that was Halo 2. ;)

BarbaricAvatar

take it to system wars

First person games have been awesome since the days of Wolfenstein 3D. I am not even gonna try to list the great PC FPS games before Halo.

GoldenEye ruled as far as consoles go though and is really the first one worth a hoot or a holler. I still haven't really played my copy of Perfect Dark yet though but I'd imagine that would be up there too.

First person games have been awesome since the days of Wolfenstein 3D. I am not even gonna try to list the great PC FPS games before Halo.

GoldenEye ruled as far as consoles go though and is really the first one worth a hoot or a holler. I still haven't really played my copy of Perfect Dark yet though but I'd imagine that would be up there too.

logicalfrank

Goldeneye is a good game, but it really only set the groundwork for the superior Perfect Dark.

[QUOTE="logicalfrank"]

First person games have been awesome since the days of Wolfenstein 3D. I am not even gonna try to list the great PC FPS games before Halo.

GoldenEye ruled as far as consoles go though and is really the first one worth a hoot or a holler. I still haven't really played my copy of Perfect Dark yet though but I'd imagine that would be up there too.

Blueresident87

Goldeneye is a good game, but it really only set the groundwork for the superior Perfect Dark.

it saddens me i have to be the first to say this. counter-strike.

edit: as for consoles only, goldeneye was the best followed closely by perfect dark. theres a number of pc ports but they were always better on pc.

[QUOTE="BarbaricAvatar"]

Unreal 1, and Thief 2.

And they will still be better when Halo remix arrives too. Because boys and girls, Halo 1 is the most overrated underperforming FPS in the history of games. Duke Nukem Forever delivered more to match the hype than Halo did.

You guessed correctly, i'm not a fan. :D

And don't even get me started on the horrifc mess that was Halo 2. ;)

rilpas

take it to system wars

Take what to system wars? Having an opinion?

everyone knows golden eye x is the way to go.:cool:

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="BarbaricAvatar"]

Unreal 1, and Thief 2.

And they will still be better when Halo remix arrives too. Because boys and girls, Halo 1 is the most overrated underperforming FPS in the history of games. Duke Nukem Forever delivered more to match the hype than Halo did.

You guessed correctly, i'm not a fan. :D

And don't even get me started on the horrifc mess that was Halo 2. ;)

BarbaricAvatar

take it to system wars

Take what to system wars? Having an opinion?

the attitude, take it to system wars

if you dont like halo as a fps you must be a phagot

[QUOTE="BarbaricAvatar"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

take it to system wars

rilpas

Take what to system wars? Having an opinion?

the attitude, take it to system wars

BarbaricAvatar's opinion is valid just because it doesn't fall in line with yours doesn't mean you can just dismiss him like that. Serious discussion of Halo or anything else should be allowed regardless of whether it's negative or not or whether people get b-hurt about it.

Really it's not like the first two Halo's are even exclusive they were also on the PC, that's half of all the major gaming platforms at the time so how it's a system wars thing is beyond me.

[QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

[QUOTE="logicalfrank"]

First person games have been awesome since the days of Wolfenstein 3D. I am not even gonna try to list the great PC FPS games before Halo.

GoldenEye ruled as far as consoles go though and is really the first one worth a hoot or a holler. I still haven't really played my copy of Perfect Dark yet though but I'd imagine that would be up there too.

Heirren

Goldeneye is a good game, but it really only set the groundwork for the superior Perfect Dark.

[QUOTE="BarbaricAvatar"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

take it to system wars

rilpas

Take what to system wars? Having an opinion?

the attitude, take it to system wars

Doom/Doom 2, Quake/Quake 2, Duke 3D, Unreal Tournament, Half-Life, Jedi Knight... Any of these, really.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="BarbaricAvatar"]

Take what to system wars? Having an opinion?

Heirren

the attitude, take it to system wars

yep, just mindless hate.

if he hates the games, fine, but take the attitude to system wars. I try not to troll people here, seeing as how the legacy board users are actually nice people :P

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="BarbaricAvatar"]

Take what to system wars? Having an opinion?

thecrypticodor

the attitude, take it to system wars

BarbaricAvatar's opinion is valid just because it doesn't fall in line with yours doesn't mean you can just dismiss him like that. Serious discussion of Halo or anything else should be allowed regardless of whether it's negative or not or whether people get b-hurt about it.

Really it's not like the first two Halo's are even exclusive they were also on the PC, that's half of all the major gaming platforms at the time so how it's a system wars thing is beyond me.

I was thinking the same thing. I didn't see any console bashing or anything happening in his post.

BarbaricAvatar's opinion is valid just because it doesn't fall in line with yours doesn't mean you can just dismiss him like that. Serious discussion of Halo or anything else should be allowed regardless of whether it's negative or not or whether people get b-hurt about it.

thecrypticodor

I wasn't criticizing his opinion, I was criticizing his attitude.

If he's b-hurt over halo, or whathever that's his problem, if he doesn't like the games that's fine, but his post was just mindless bashing that falls more in line with system wars then it does the legacy forums

When he said "Duke Nukem Forever did more to deliver the hype then Halo did", this isn't an opinion as much as it is blatant trolling

Really it's not like the first two Halo's are even exclusive they were also on the PC, that's half of all the major gaming platforms at the time so how it's a system wars thing is beyond me.

thecrypticodor

What's any of that got to do with anything? :?

I wasn't criticizing his opinion, I was criticizing his attitude.

^ Yeah, it was senseless bashing...welcome to the internet. But, he's not insulting anyone or bashing consoles (system wars) despite his bad attitude towards the game. That's his opinion to hate the game. Doesn't mean I agree with him (nor do most of the rest of you, I'd wager), but he has his right to his opinion.

^ Yeah, it was senseless bashing...welcome to the internet. But, he's not insulting anyone or bashing consoles (system wars) despite his bad attitude towards the game. Emerald_Warrior

system wars is basically where to go when you want to mindlessly bash something.

It's not a case of "welcome to the internet" it's a case of "welcome to gamespot. Did you come here to troll? Then may I direct you system wars"

That's his opinion to hate the game. Doesn't mean I agree with him (nor do most of the rest of you, I'd wager), but he has his right to his opinion.

Emerald_Warrior

I wasn't aware I claimed he didn't have a right to an opinion? :?

I wasn't aware I claimed he didn't have a right to an opinion? :?

rilpas

Then what does "Take it to System Wars" imply? Cause to me it says, "Don't post this here, go post it in System Wars."

I wasn't criticizing his opinion, I was criticizing his attitude.

If he's b-hurt over halo, or whathever that's his problem, if he doesn't like the games that's fine, but his post was just mindless bashing that falls more in line with system wars then it does the legacy forums

rilpas

Alright maybe he was bashing but who cares would you have cared as much if it were any other game or is it because it Halo? Halo just seems to be that one game that can never be critiqued or evaluated negatively with out people getting all personally offended and defensive.

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

Goldeneye is a good game, but it really only set the groundwork for the superior Perfect Dark.

JigglyWiggly_

[QUOTE="conkertheking1"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] Fun fact, they both aged awfullyJigglyWiggly_

[QUOTE="thecrypticodor"]

It's funny how it seems that people think that fps's sucked before Halo and that it was delivered on high from the gods of gaming and delivered us from mediocrity or something. Halo was an alright game but it really shouldn't be considered the epitome of the genre. There are much better fps's that came before and after it. Anyway in answer to the original question I'd say Half Life.

VALikimlav

Have you ever played Half Life? You barely need to destroy any crates, there are health and armour chargers placed all over the place. Destroying optional things to find bonus stuff is actually a good thing. Why wouldn't it be? And i don't even comprehend how quicksaving and reloading is bad wen you die. It's easy as hell and much faster than, say, a checkpoint system.

UT '99 GOTY, Quake 3, Unreal:Gold, Half Life 1, Opposing Force, NOLF1 are better than Halo:CE by a landslide. Those are before its release, i can give you a dozen after its release. Though ofcourse it's mearly my humble point of view.

And Half Life 1 has much more interesting environments, a much better AI, much more diversity in its gameplay and a much more diversified aray of weapons. It's simply a better game than Halo could ever be, which is a boring slog through endlessly repeating environments. Nothing to do with being more 'hardcore'. Half Life 1 is simply a more enjoyable experience.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

^ Yeah, it was senseless bashing...welcome to the internet. But, he's not insulting anyone or bashing consoles (system wars) despite his bad attitude towards the game. rilpas

system wars is basically where to go when you want to mindlessly bash something.

It's not a case of "welcome to the internet" it's a case of "welcome to gamespot. Did you come here to troll? Then may I direct you system wars"

That's his opinion to hate the game. Doesn't mean I agree with him (nor do most of the rest of you, I'd wager), but he has his right to his opinion.

Emerald_Warrior

I wasn't aware I claimed he didn't have a right to an opinion? :?

Let's not derail this thread with pointless discussion. I dislike Halo 1, my post was valid. The end.

Unreal tournament, Perfect Dark, and GoldenEye.

Unreal tournament may be my favorite out of the three. I love that game.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

I wasn't criticizing his opinion, I was criticizing his attitude.

If he's b-hurt over halo, or whathever that's his problem, if he doesn't like the games that's fine, but his post was just mindless bashing that falls more in line with system wars then it does the legacy forums

thecrypticodor

Alright maybe he was bashing but who cares would you have cared as much if it were any other game or is it because it Halo? Halo just seems to be that one game that can never be critiqued or evaluated negatively with out people getting all personally offended and defensive.

I've already said it before to another user for a completlty unrelated topic and none of you got so rilled up about it

seems to me that the only reason you're defending him, is because you don't like halo

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

I wasn't aware I claimed he didn't have a right to an opinion? :?

Emerald_Warrior

Then what does "Take it to System Wars" imply? Cause to me it says, "Don't post this here, go post it in System Wars."

yes, if he's just going to mindless bash something, take it to sytem wars.

By your logic, why don't I create a topic about Soccer? Then when people tell me I should go to the off-topic board I'll just say 'what? I'm not allowed to have an opinion?'

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

I wasn't aware I claimed he didn't have a right to an opinion? :?

rilpas

Then what does "Take it to System Wars" imply? Cause to me it says, "Don't post this here, go post it in System Wars."

yes, if he's just going to mindless bash something, take it to sytem wars.

By your logic, why don't I create a topic about Soccer? Then when people tell me I should go to the off-topic board I'll just say 'what? I'm not allowed to have an opinion?'

So your saying that legacy platforms is only meant to be used to praise older games. Critiquing or evaluation isn't allowed.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Then what does "Take it to System Wars" imply? Cause to me it says, "Don't post this here, go post it in System Wars."

thecrypticodor

yes, if he's just going to mindless bash something, take it to sytem wars.

By your logic, why don't I create a topic about Soccer? Then when people tell me I should go to the off-topic board I'll just say 'what? I'm not allowed to have an opinion?'

So your saying that legacy platforms is only meant to be used to praise older games. Critiquing or evaluation isn't allowed.

"Critique is a method of disciplined, systematic analysis of a written or oral discourse"

now show me where he "critiqued" the game

and before you say "it was his opinion", there's a difference between "I hated the game" and "The game was utter sh't, fvucking ET for Atari 2600 is a better purchase"

EDIT: But, I guess I've already highjacked this thread, so whathever

"Critique is a method of disciplined, systematic analysis of a written or oral discourse"

now show me where he "critiqued" the game

rilpas

Acording to the first sentance on Wikipedia's definition I guess he didn't. Here's a better one.

critique

1. A critical review or commentary, especially one dealing with works of art or literature.
2. A critical discussion of a specified topic.
3. The art of criticism.

tr.v. cri·tiqued, cri·tiqu·ing, cri·tiques Usage Problem
To review or discuss critically.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

"Critique is a method of disciplined, systematic analysis of a written or oral discourse"

now show me where he "critiqued" the game

thecrypticodor

Acording to the first sentance on Wikipedia's definition I guess he didn't. Here's a better one.

critique

1. A critical review or commentary, especially one dealing with works of art or literature.
2. A critical discussion of a specified topic.
3. The art of criticism.

tr.v. cri·tiqued, cri·tiqu·ing, cri·tiques Usage Problem
To review or discuss critically.

do any of those apply to what he said? Certainly doesn't sound like it

[QUOTE="thecrypticodor"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

"Critique is a method of disciplined, systematic analysis of a written or oral discourse"

now show me where he "critiqued" the game

rilpas

Acording to the first sentance on Wikipedia's definition I guess he didn't. Here's a better one.

critique

1. A critical review or commentary, especially one dealing with works of art or literature.
2. A critical discussion of a specified topic.
3. The art of criticism.

tr.v. cri·tiqued, cri·tiqu·ing, cri·tiques Usage Problem
To review or discuss critically.

do any of those apply to what he said? Certainly doesn't sound like it

Sure it does all three of defintions apply to his statement.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="thecrypticodor"]

Acording to the first sentance on Wikipedia's definition I guess he didn't. Here's a better one.

critique

1. A critical review or commentary, especially one dealing with works of art or literature.
2. A critical discussion of a specified topic.
3. The art of criticism.

tr.v. cri·tiqued, cri·tiqu·ing, cri·tiques Usage Problem
To review or discuss critically.

thecrypticodor

do any of those apply to what he said? Certainly doesn't sound like it

Sure it does all three of defintions apply to his statement.

If you think that was "critique" then I'd say our conversation ends right now.

It's funny though, you accused me of only telling him to take to system wars because it was halo, but honestly (which I already proved that is not the reason, but you still convienently ignored that post), it seems to me that the only reason you're defending him is because he criticized halo

Anyway I'm done here, it's a shame apparently some of the users here want the Legacy boards to become a new system wars or a neogaf, don't worry though, as soon as the 360 and PS3 consoles become legacy platorms, you'll get your wish