Aren't there any RPG games where you play as the bad guy and win in the end?

I don't know of any, if there is please let me know.

I'm tired of rpg's having lame whiney little d-bags for protagonists. Take Tales of Graces f for example. Asbel is kind of a douche. Don't get me wrong, the game is great, combat system is great, the initial story is decent, but I didn't like Asbel and the whole "freindship theme" of the game. It was cheesy as could be and almost intolerable at times for me.

Even games where you are the good guy, but you are a badazz. I hate little cheesy d-bag protagonists.

If you do not want those type of character you can pick the hollow shell place holders or those with brooding attitudes and whine about their past.

Warcraft I and II, if I remember correctly, allowed you control of the Orcs. You could play their campaign and still win. Not sure about WC III though.

Fallout and the Elder Scrolls series - you can do whatever you want and be whoever you want.

That sucks. I don't have a good gaming pc, just the standard hardware in a laptop.

I know there is always Elder scrolls or fallout, but in all reality you arent the real bad guy. You can go around and do bad things but there is the same storyline.

Im talking about a rpg where the actual storyline is played from the antagonist's point of view. For example, lets just take FF7. Normally you play as cloud (he is a awesome protagonists by the way, so no complaints about him). I want a FF where you play through Sephiroth's point of view or something like that. Now that was just an exaple, I would really like a new game like that besides a new FF like that.

A rpg where the whole story is played through the antagonist's point of view would be sweet.

That sucks. I don't have a good gaming pc, just the standard hardware in a laptop.

I know there is always Elder scrolls or fallout, but in all reality you arent the real bad guy. You can go around and do bad things but there is the same storyline.

Im talking about a rpg where the actual storyline is played from the antagonist's point of view. For example, lets just take FF7. Normally you play as cloud (he is a awesome protagonists by the way, so no complaints about him). I want a FF where you play through Sephiroth's point of view or something like that. Now that was just an exaple, I would really like a new game like that besides a new FF like that.

A rpg where the whole story is played through the antagonist's point of view would be sweet.

ristactionjakso

Dawn of War 2: Retribution has RPG elements to it(as does Vanilla and Chaos rising bar the multiple playable races), and feels a lot like Warcraft(Bar the base building) if it counts.

You can play through every mission in the main campaign through the Eyes of Chaos and change the events and ultimate ending of the game for evil purposes.

Lord of the Rings: The Third Age has an "Evil mode", but it isn't so much a replaying of the game as it is a a resimulating of key battles in the main story as the enemy rather than the protagonist(all tactics open. If there were 6 waves of enemies to go through when you tried it as good, you will get 6 waves of enemies to kill the main characters with.)

Knights of the Old Republic? The Sith Lords? Those are the first games I think of when talking about RPG morality. And yes, your fall to the dark side in KoTOR 1 is dramatic and tragic for everyone involved.

I don't know of any, if there is please let me know.

I'm tired of rpg's having lame whiney little d-bags for protagonists. Take Tales of Graces f for example. Asbel is kind of a douche. Don't get me wrong, the game is great, combat system is great, the initial story is decent, but I didn't like Asbel and the whole "freindship theme" of the game. It was cheesy as could be and almost intolerable at times for me.

Even games where you are the good guy, but you are a badazz. I hate little cheesy d-bag protagonists.

ristactionjakso

On another note, is Tales Of Graces F worthy of a purchase? I've been hearing nothing but good things about the game.

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I don't know of any, if there is please let me know.

I'm tired of rpg's having lame whiney little d-bags for protagonists. Take Tales of Graces f for example. Asbel is kind of a douche. Don't get me wrong, the game is great, combat system is great, the initial story is decent, but I didn't like Asbel and the whole "freindship theme" of the game. It was cheesy as could be and almost intolerable at times for me.

Even games where you are the good guy, but you are a badazz. I hate little cheesy d-bag protagonists.

Metamania

On another note, is Tales Of Graces F worthy of a purchase? I've been hearing nothing but good things about the game.

The best example I can come up with is Tales of Vesperia. You are not evil exactly, but the main character, Yuri, is a criminal who doesn't mind breaking the law and commiting murder to acompish his goal. One of the big antagonsts is a knight, who is after him because of breaking the law.

The best example I can come up with is Tales of Vesperia. You are not evil exactly, but the main character, Yuri, is a criminal who doesn't mind breaking the law and commiting murder to acompish his goal. One of the big antagonsts is a knight, who is after him because of breaking the law.

lazyathew

Try the Shin Megami Tensei series, not including Persona. I highly suggest the Devil Survivor games for the DS/3DS if you have that.

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I don't know of any, if there is please let me know.

I'm tired of rpg's having lame whiney little d-bags for protagonists. Take Tales of Graces f for example. Asbel is kind of a douche. Don't get me wrong, the game is great, combat system is great, the initial story is decent, but I didn't like Asbel and the whole "freindship theme" of the game. It was cheesy as could be and almost intolerable at times for me.

Even games where you are the good guy, but you are a badazz. I hate little cheesy d-bag protagonists.

ristactionjakso

On another note, is Tales Of Graces F worthy of a purchase? I've been hearing nothing but good things about the game.

Thanks man. This will be my first purchase when I pick up a Playstation 3 in the near future!

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The best example I can come up with is Tales of Vesperia. You are not evil exactly, but the main character, Yuri, is a criminal who doesn't mind breaking the law and commiting murder to acompish his goal. One of the big antagonsts is a knight, who is after him because of breaking the law.

ristactionjakso

It's been made available for 360 and PS3, but the PS3 version is Japanese only, so you may as well get the 360 version, which has been released here. It's my favorite RPG on the 360 and one of the best Tales games I've played. Very addicting!

The witcher games your not really a good guy or bad guy in those.

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The best example I can come up with is Tales of Vesperia. You are not evil exactly, but the main character, Yuri, is a criminal who doesn't mind breaking the law and commiting murder to acompish his goal. One of the big antagonsts is a knight, who is after him because of breaking the law.

ristactionjakso

Fable (1,The Lost Chapters,2,3)

Star Wars: KOTOR (1,2), Jade Empire, Mass Effect (1,2,3), Dragon Age (Awakening,2,3)

King's Field 4, Demons' Souls, Dark Souls

Elder Scrolls (3,4), Fallout (3, New Vagas, 4)

Dues Ex (1,2,3)

Overlord (1,2)

It's pretty hard to find an RPG that doesn't have a good/evil alignment system nowadays.

If you do a bit of RPing in Mass Effect you can make Shepard a sleeper agent for the Reapers, make all the Renegade choices and end the third game by allowing the Reapers to harvest the galaxy. Although, he still whines about it...

The best games that I saw do Evil are the KOTOR games, Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen and NWN 2: Mask of the Betrayer. Those are games you can actually be totally evil and the story/ending will progress with you. Fallout 1 and 2 you can be pretty destructive but the endings don't make you feel like an evil bastard as well as the games mentioned above.smerlus

I think the TC wants a game with a main character instead of place holder like in the games you pointed out.

[QUOTE="smerlus"]The best games that I saw do Evil are the KOTOR games, Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen and NWN 2: Mask of the Betrayer. Those are games you can actually be totally evil and the story/ending will progress with you. Fallout 1 and 2 you can be pretty destructive but the endings don't make you feel like an evil bastard as well as the games mentioned above.wiouds

I think the TC wants a game with a main character instead of place holder like in the games you pointed out.

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[QUOTE="smerlus"]The best games that I saw do Evil are the KOTOR games, Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen and NWN 2: Mask of the Betrayer. Those are games you can actually be totally evil and the story/ending will progress with you. Fallout 1 and 2 you can be pretty destructive but the endings don't make you feel like an evil bastard as well as the games mentioned above.smerlus

I think the TC wants a game with a main character instead of place holder like in the games you pointed out.

If they give you just crayons and tell you to paint. Since crayons has nothing to go with painting, you can not paint.

The same thing with place holder and story telling.

Place holders always feel distant from any story you are watching. What relationship they have is cheap and not deep. They are all more of outside dealing with the problems.

I'm really suprised there isn't any RPG's that have you play the role of the antagonist on console. All the games with the choice to be good or bad still have the same storyline ending. I thought maybe there would be a RPG game where you are the bad guy from the get go and there is a party of good guys coming after you the whole game.

If they give you just crayons and tell you to paint. Since crayons has nothing to go with painting, you can not paint.

The same thing with place holder and story telling.

Place holders always feel distant from any story you are watching. What relationship they have is cheap and not deep. They are all more of outside dealing with the problems.

wiouds

I'm really suprised there isn't any RPG's that have you play the role of the antagonist on console. All the games with the choice to be good or bad still have the same storyline ending. I thought maybe there would be a RPG game where you are the bad guy from the get go and there is a party of good guys coming after you the whole game.

ristactionjakso

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If they give you just crayons and tell you to paint. Since crayons has nothing to go with painting, you can not paint.

The same thing with place holder and story telling.

Place holders always feel distant from any story you are watching. What relationship they have is cheap and not deep. They are all more of outside dealing with the problems.

smerlus

I play a huge number of WRPG but I am not going to be blind to their weakness. You seem to be one of those that would nitpick everything about JRPG while overlooking the weakness in WRPG.

It more like being able to pick the color of the check to be purple, pink, or yellow and also picking the last digitis of the cents. Even then the check is still not as valueable as other checks you can not pick from.

overlord 1 and 2dakan45

Fantastic choice, gosh it was good to be bad in that game.

There's also the first Fable game, you can be pretty nasty (and besides, you look quite badass when evil, sprouting horns and having this deathly red aura around you) and the evil ending was also quite cool.

I play a huge number of WRPG but I am not going to be blind to their weakness. You seem to be one of those that would nitpick everything about JRPG while overlooking the weakness in WRPG.

It more like being able to pick the color of the check to be purple, pink, or yellow and also picking the last digitis of the cents. Even then the check is still not as valueable as other checks you can not pick from.

wiouds

Oh man. The rush of killing little annoying girls with their high pitch.

Forget about that, how about making them extinct!!!

I'm really suprised there isn't any RPG's that have you play the role of the antagonist on console. All the games with the choice to be good or bad still have the same storyline ending. I thought maybe there would be a RPG game where you are the bad guy from the get go and there is a party of good guys coming after you the whole game.

ristactionjakso

Antagonist doesn't necessarily mean evil, it just means someone that's trying to impede the progress of the protagonist. So if you wrote a book about a down on his luck mad scientist trying to destroy the world, the antagonist would be the typical hero/James Bond type trying to stop him. I know that has nothing to do with anything, just throwing that out there.

I think the reason there are so few games were you play as someone directly evil is because the video game industry kind of gets enough flak for violence as it is. If you try to make the main character likeable or relatable, it's a sort of defense mechanism. Like in The Darkness, you're a demon possessed hitman working for the mob, but it has some of the more soul crushing moments in a video game that make you legitimately care for Jackie. At least with place holder RPGs, if anyone tried to criticize Knights of the Old Republic for having an insanely evil ending Bioware could have just said "Well, you don't have to play like that".

Or maybe it's just because being that destructive and murder-y can wear thin quickly. Like Kratos in GoWIII. I remember when you just blatantly murder Hera I said "well, that escalated quickly". I think GoWIII had to introduce Pandora to get a little bit of Kratos' humanity back, or it just would have failed in an area a lot of people already disliked.

The best example I can come up with is Tales of Vesperia. You are not evil exactly, but the main character, Yuri, is a criminal who doesn't mind breaking the law and commiting murder to acompish his goal. One of the big antagonsts is a knight, who is after him because of breaking the law.

lazyathew

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I'm really suprised there isn't any RPG's that have you play the role of the antagonist on console. All the games with the choice to be good or bad still have the same storyline ending. I thought maybe there would be a RPG game where you are the bad guy from the get go and there is a party of good guys coming after you the whole game.

IndianaPwns39

Antagonist doesn't necessarily mean evil, it just means someone that's trying to impede the progress of the protagonist. So if you wrote a book about a down on his luck mad scientist trying to destroy the world, the antagonist would be the typical hero/James Bond type trying to stop him. I know that has nothing to do with anything, just throwing that out there.

I think the reason there are so few games were you play as someone directly evil is because the video game industry kind of gets enough flak for violence as it is. If you try to make the main character likeable or relatable, it's a sort of defense mechanism. Like in The Darkness, you're a demon possessed hitman working for the mob, but it has some of the more soul crushing moments in a video game that make you legitimately care for Jackie. At least with place holder RPGs, if anyone tried to criticize Knights of the Old Republic for having an insanely evil ending Bioware could have just said "Well, you don't have to play like that".

Or maybe it's just because being that destructive and murder-y can wear thin quickly. Like Kratos in GoWIII. I remember when you just blatantly murder Hera I said "well, that escalated quickly". I think GoWIII had to introduce Pandora to get a little bit of Kratos' humanity back, or it just would have failed in an area a lot of people already disliked.

Others may have said this but there is no "winning" in an RPG.Dracula68

What I mean is a rpg where you are the bad guy and kill the good guys in the final battle and win. Bad guys always lose in the end.

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The best example I can come up with is Tales of Vesperia. You are not evil exactly, but the main character, Yuri, is a criminal who doesn't mind breaking the law and commiting murder to acompish his goal. One of the big antagonsts is a knight, who is after him because of breaking the law.

thom_maytees

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The best example I can come up with is Tales of Vesperia. You are not evil exactly, but the main character, Yuri, is a criminal who doesn't mind breaking the law and commiting murder to acompish his goal. One of the big antagonsts is a knight, who is after him because of breaking the law.

lazyathew

Warcraft I and II, if I remember correctly, allowed you control of the Orcs. You could play their campaign and still win. Not sure about WC III though.

Metamania

Orcs aren't the 'bad guy'.

Not really an RPG and I have only played the beginning of the first, but in Overlord I you play a bad guy. Overlord II features the same evil guy I guess. But if he wins in the end, no idea, and it also has a comical humor to it.

KOTOR?

I don't think there are any games where you actually have to play a bad guy and prevail in the end. In Fallout 3 you can choose to be a truly evil person and succeed in some ways in the end depending on your decisions, but otherwise I couldn't think of any others.