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Anyways... so long, man. Know what you're going through. Occassionally find myself wondering why I still play games, now and then. Feels like I'm only in it to write baout them, somtimes. 'Bout the only thing that keeps things consistently interesting, for the most part. Not nearly enough games out there to satisfy those desires for more mature, thoughtful games. Kinda wish those that did weren't mostly exclusive to the indie scene. They do some good work, but... it'd be real nice to see the industry at large finally start making some strides to deliver on more mature subjects and the like.
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The economy and rising development costs is really starting to show... maybe some of the bigger behemoths will fall one day and pave way to newer, younger and fresher ideas. I don't agree that video games are art and I think it's rather silly that people try to continue to push them that way as if it's some plea of acceptance for the rest of the society.
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Hmm interesting. I had that same feeling about video-games during the end of the previous generation. For me, at least, that has changed. I've been gaming for a while now, as well. I've been gaming since about 1988.
Yet today I find more quality innovation than during the early experimental age of gaming. There are more genres than ever, more control options, more ways of player to player interaction, funding, and more distinguished types of communities and audiences than ever before. And I don't like all of it. In fact I don't like half of it. Specifically the casual and triple A budget half. But I'm still finding cool new things. And amazing experiences that I have never had before. No, gaming is not the cause, I think. It would take me ages to try make that sound convincing, so I can't. I wonder what really creates that divide between our points of view.
To be honest I think you are entirely right about having to choose between perpetual adolescence and gaming. I think that's exactly it. Right on target.
To illustrate, I've never been very interested in growing up. When I was a little kid I wanted to be a little kid. I was the one exception who never asked for growing up. In fact I am sitting at my desk right now in this weird questioning phase of my existence looking for ways to extent youth, health and life and I am repeatedly stunned, just stunned, at the lack of interest there is for those things. And partially I blame adulthood.
You know what I think of when I think adult? The stress involved with having appointments every day, having to perform in front of a man with a metaphoric gun pointed at your head and your wallet. To be treated like someone who should know, and someone who should do. Someone who should have done better, while you didn't know better. The blame game. And having to play several roles at once. One for your job, one for your family, one for your relatives, one for your friends, etc. I don't like that. That sounds like hell to me. So I made the conscious decision to not do that when I was around 14. Every now and then I still fall for it because it's so natural, or people demand it and try to put me in place. But in the end I feel better about myself just being me, not knowing what on Earth is going on in this world, and acknowledging that to anyone. I don't take part in that adult life, so in a sense I have chosen to not be an adult. Though, not because of games.
And that world also gives you a lot of emotional experiences. I know that, cause I've seen it. It's like a roller-coaster. Sometimes I see relatives become 10 years older in a day, only to be 20 years younger the next. Like magic. So I can imagine that you're always busy and don't feel like playing games because, you know what? I don't play games while I am on a roller-coaster. No I don't.
Coincedentally the end of the previous generation, was also when I came closest to becoming adult.
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About a year and a half ago, I felt a sharp decline of interest towards video games. Not exactly for the same reasons as you (I don't mind violence, sex and whatever as long as it has some context), but it's just more of the same over and over again. The game industry--consoles ESPECIALLY--are just playing it so safe that it was just boring the hell out of me.
And of course, we're growing up. I turned 30 this year, I'm in a long-term relationship, planning a life, marriage, kids. I'm not exactly sure what kind of an impact this has, but it certainly has something to do with it.
But it's funny. I barely played anything for the past year. Music was ALWAYS far more important to me, and I got more into books thanks to my girlfriend. But a few weeks ago, something just clicked and I got back into Civilization V. And I've been playing it a lot. The other day I started playing Skyrim. After a long time, I finally got genuinely excited about a few upcoming games, namely Dreamfall Chapters and Grand Theft Auto V.
I don't know. Maybe you took it all too seriously. I can get that. I think it's ok to take a step back and just enjoy a few titles here and there that speak to you on a certain level. My time as a "gamer" is definitely done. I'm not buying loads of games anymore, I'm not playing them every day. I'm not coming in here dissecting every design decision, every flaw, arguing with people about this and that. I'm just not in it anymore.
And that's ok. I'll play some odd game I really want to play and I'll write a blurb or two about it every now and then.
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Sounds to me like you are just burned out. I've a married father of two daughters (the oldest 11) who has been gaming for 35 years (first system I played was my father's Magnavox Odyssey). Fun is fun, no matter one's station in life. I get tired of some genres and take a break from them until they do something different (LBP2 is my favorite game ever, but in the 16 bit era I had burned out on platformers because everyone justed aped Mario or Sonic) or until I've been away from them for so long that more of the same is different (to me, if not the genre).
Also, I think you are selling the modern gaming industry short. People who are doing something different rather than offering more of the same are the same small minority they have always been, but gaming is so open and widespread nowadays that there are more members of that innovative minority than ever. The Walking Dead is awesome because one is a guy trying to keep himself, a little girl and an oft changing circle of friends alive. One continously makes hard choices and choices tend to have consequences. When it started out it was pretty simple stuff (two people are being attacked, you can only save one, choose) but it quickly became more complex then that. People would make reasonable arguments, and you'd have to take a side and sometimes your agreement or disagreement pushes people to do stuff which is reasonable to them, but unforseeable to you. Also, this little girl is not only relying on you for protection, but reaching conclusions based on your actions. I didn't want to turn her into a sociopath, so sometimes I did the less then expedient thing. I could name more examples and I'm sure there are a lot more out there I am unaware of.
Also, its just not realistic to expect action games to flesh out characters. That's just not the action oriented games/books/movies work. This is true of not only games, but books and movies as well. To an extent, that is realistic. In war or any other fight for one's life, one doesn't humanize the subject, one seeks to survive the encounter, the other guy's welfare/humanity if the last thing on your mind. While I've never been a soldier or a cop, I once had to scare off two muggers. I was walking to lunch with a friend and these guys keyed on us and started following us. Everyone else stepped to one side. My friend stepped behind me (which I really didn't appreciate). I was a muscular black guy with a scar over one eye (nowadays I'm a chubby black guy with a scar over one eye :cry: ), so a lot of people figured me for a mugger or a bodyguard. I am neither and was of course unarmed, but I decided to play the role. I scowled at the guys and reached into my jacket. They then reversed course. My friend (who was mugged and beaten along with another friend two weeks later when I went on vacation) and I were simply targets to them and they were simply thugs to me. Both of us are more than that (I know I am, I assume they are) but none of that mattered at the time to either side.
*Shrugs* But I'm not trying to talk you out of your decision. Videogaming is a legit choice for anyone, but no hobby I've ever heard of appeals to everyone, and there are a lot of great hobbies out there. Goodbye and good luck with your marriage and your life.
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I remember you well and have gone through a similar experience myself this generation with a steady decline of interest in gaming. Though I was never into games as much as you or as active on these forums (1558 posts in 9 years I guess makes me a mildly interested lurker.)I view my decline in interest as only significant when compared to the years I had the most interest. In some ways it's a return to normal after the high degree interest I had during the previous generation and while I do agree that aging is part of the reason there were periods when I was younger when I had the same or less level of interest as today.
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Hey Oilers, don't know if you remember me as I've had a few different usernames over the past 12 years on this website. But just wanted to say hi...I don't post at all on the site anymore, lost interest in it as IMO it declined quite a bit over the years. But I always remember the cool people like yourself, Minda Cubed, and many others that I haven't seen in ages.
Hey things change in life all the time. Priorities change. I still game quite a bit, but it obviously gets harder to have the time as time passes.
Congrats on the marriage, and I wish you well in all you do.
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Oilers, I'm not sure if you remember me or not, but I've been here since the launch of Gamespot as a reader and reader review, not to mention being a former mod around here, and I think I've known you long since then. It's sad to see you go, but it's highly understandable. Goodbye and good luck with everything you do! Don't be a stranger, ya hear?
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I can definitely sympathize with feeling like having to choose between gaming and maturity. And I've forced myself in the direction of maturity on a couple of occasions, but gaming still keeps coming back. In the process I realized that maturity just sort of accumulates. And you'll probably never feel as mature as you are eventually perceived. Best of luck.
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This thread was a really good read.
Im an older gamer and can relate but games are my entertainment when I have the time.When Im sitting around with nothing to do or relaxing,I'd rather play a game than watch TV or a movie.I wouldnt have cable if it wasnt for my family and very few movies interest me.Its really the only form of entertainment that I find entertaining.
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I just outgrew you.Oilers99
This is the only part of your post that I take issue with, and I take issue with it everytime I see it. "Outgrowing" video games makes it seem like they're only for children, which has never been the case. You may have lost interest in video gaming, or no longer have the time for you, but you never "outgrow" games. I know that you still love them. Hell, you took part in one of the Designer for a Day contests, so that shows your desire and passion for them. Even if I stop playing games for the reasons you've described, I can never say that I "outgrew" them. I'll be playing until I go blind or have arthritis. Gaming is a form of entertainment just as movies, books and music are, and all four mediums appeal to everyone, regardless of age.
Anyway, I do get the whole saturation of shooting-people-in-the-face games. It's what I call the Call of Duty effect. It's actually hazardous the industry, because it's robbing other smaller more interesting and creative games from selling because everyone's clamoring for the next cookie cutter shooter. Then it becomes discouraging for smaller developers and publishers to want to continue to innovate, so they end up going the me too route and add to the problem. How do you fight the ignorant masses, though? If they aren't interested in Shadow of the Colossus because all they want to play is Call of Duty, how can you fix that? How can you educate them? It's like trying to someone who listens to screamo to try to apprecate Mozart and Tchaikovsky. It's a cultural thing and I think it's too late to start truly culturing this new generation of gamers. It bums me out.
But, I still find good in the hobby. I still play the popular stuff, but I also still play the niche stuff. Have you purchased Theatrhythm Final Fantasy? That is so good! I'm still desparately awaiting the Last Guardian and hoping against hope that Professor Layton vs Ace Attorney makes it stateside. The Wii U is very promising and I'm hoping Pikmin 3 will turn out great, unlike Sticker Star which is letting me down a bit. Speaking of Paper Mario, I believe you and me talked the most during my time playing it. I think you also remembered me slipping away to the throes of Final Fantasy XI. Yeah, that game was evil, which is why I'm surprised I'm still anticipating Final Fantasy XIV...
I don't blame you for wanting to give up video games, though. You're about to get married - congratulations by the way! - and that will only further cut into your free time, but you'll view it as a worthwhile tradeoff; real quality time. Regardless, you simply won't have the time or interest to dig deeper through the layers of regurgitated annual sequels to really find the gems worth playing. I just hope you find a way to get in some gaming here or there. Cutting it out completely when it's been engrained in you for so many years is a really hard thing to do. Whatever the case, I wish you the best.
Anyway, if you still have me on AIM check in some time and say hi. It was fun posting with you.
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I've always enjoyed your posts, and I'm sad to see you go. Additionally, I hate that it takes a long time GS vet saying goodbye to bring out a lot of other longtime vets that have become lurkers. You know who you are.:P
I don't know if I'm in the middle of 'outgrowing' games, or if things have just been so hectic in my day-to-day life, and games have been so stagnant, that I've just slowed down. My forum presence has certainly dropped off quite a bit too. That makes some sense as my job has gotten busy enough that I can't check the boards every five minutes like I used to. Next-gen, and PC gaming are going to be the things that determine whether or not gaming remains a passion of mine or not. This current crop of games and consoles are pretty long in the tooth. Right now I'm just cycling through my favorites from this gen and I've all but stopped looking forward to anything.(GTAV being the exception!)
I thought that Dishonored would be a game that would pull me back into paying attention to current-gen offerings, but after spending a few nights with it, it felt too much like a frankenstein monster of a bunch of current gen 'hit' franchises. For me, it represents a lot of what I don't like about games currently. It presents itself as a fairly open experience, but the more I played it, the more I constantly just felt like I was doing it wrong no matter which way I tackled it. Additionally, I think games need to realize that they need to do more than offer a 'good' ending and a 'bad' ending. Bioshock did it poorly, and Dishonored seems to be the same way. When a game makes it clear at the beginning that you either need to be Jesus or Hitler to get the ending you want, it doesn't really encourage choice and open ended gameplay, you essentially are just forced to decide at the beginning whether you want the good ending or the bad and then you have to adhere rigidly to that choice for the next several hours of gameplay to get a meager payoff.
I don't know what the answer is though. I don't think that a more tightly controlled narrative like Uncharted or Gears is as satisfying either because you are pretty much just running down a chute for 8 hours. I think that is why I keep going back to Skyrim, Oblivion, New Vegas, Dark Souls and Minecraft more than any other game that has come out in the last six or seven years. I never feel like I'm compelled to tackle those games in any particular way, which is very freeing. I play games for escapism, and for me, the best escapism is when I feel like I'm in complete control of the game I'm playing.
As for forums, I always wonder if all of us are just lurking and waiting for someone else to post something to respond to, and that is why things are dead a lot of the time. I really miss the good old days of the GGD, which, unfortunately, I think I only caught the tail end of. That being said, this place has remained small and tightknit over the years, and between it and the RoF, I always feel like I'm at home when I'm here at GS. I always hope that there will be a resurgence of quality discussion here, and I don't know if I've helped or hurt the chances of that in my years as a moderator. I eagerly await both new consoles and the new posters that they may bring, I also hope that they might bring some old posters out of the woodwork.:)
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Sorry to see you go, your posts were always top notch. I can understand burning out on games, there are times when I question why I keep playing, but for me, it comes down to gaming being one of the few things that allow me to wind down, so I keep coming back. Best of luck to you though.
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As someone "who grew out of videogames", honestly you will find that you will come back to them at your own pace. Its a bit like how I fell out with playing guitar, I basically stopped for 3 years after playing everyday and being in a band etc. Now I turn round and pick up my only remaining guitar and have a little tasty jam sandwhich ;) and its cool. For sure I fell out with games as well a bit, I am not sure I will ever properly return to the days of being in a competetive clan etc, because that takes time and I have alot of other things that I would like to do and go see :).
So I have no idea who you are, however I have a feeling like most people on here, we know what you are going through :). Have fun :D
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This coming from a man who proudly posts that he is Donkey Kong in his signature...
Strong and passionate?
Asking for Love and Peace?
Sounds like you're focusing too much on pure emotions if you ask me.
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Good luck, Oilers! I've been on these forums about as long as you. You and the people you mentioned (ssfreitas, minda, pedro) were the reasons I pretty much only visited these forums specifically. Great dynamic and great conversations. (not that equally intersting people have not come up over time - which is why I still lurk)
For the record, I am a mid 30's father of 2 working a high-level i.t. job. I can certainly understand how priorities change. And I'm glad to see you'll still game. I was in the same boat and that turned out to be my solution as well. I am a much more casual (or infrequent) gamer. And still find enjoyment in the medium, even if I only finish about 1 game a year.
More importantly, even though I don't know you, I am really happy to read that you went from a troubled teenager into a compassionate, seemingly responsible adult who I'm sure will contribute positively to this society. Congratulations on your engagement!
And just to poke a bit of fun...you'll be back! Even though I have a PS3 and 360, my toddler kids are playing Golden Axe and Double Dragon, and I couldn't be nejoying it more!
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